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Post by Guest on Thu 11 Sep 2008 - 17:25

So yeah what do you think should we legalise lesbian or gay marriages in melbourne

P.S again i stress that i am not trying to convert people into, well agreeing with me i just want your opinions.

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Post by Triela on Thu 11 Sep 2008 - 18:07

I'm all for gay and lesbian marriage. They should be happy just like anyone else. In fact I have a gay friend who just bought an apartment with his boyfriend and they're gonna get married. Good for them I say! I hope they make it legal all over the world.

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Post by LoC978 on Thu 11 Sep 2008 - 19:09

marriage is merely the established system recognizing a relationship. if people feel they need that vindication, I say take a popular vote. Personally, if I ever found a woman I could live with until I die, I doubt I'd want marriage... so I really don't understand what all the fuss is about.
The problems begin when people bring religion into the mix, and then try to force it on others.

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Post by Nachtsider on Thu 11 Sep 2008 - 19:16

I got nothing against it.

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Post by Ggultra2764 on Thu 11 Sep 2008 - 20:14

Religion shouldn't play a role in the decisions that two men or women make for the love they have for each other. If a gay or lesbian couple wants to be married, then they deserve that right as equally as a straight couple.
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Post by tsundere9kagami2 on Thu 11 Sep 2008 - 20:52

all right ....im gonna come out and say it.....all of you yaoi fans (and yuri) and
you satanists and those who are indifferent...... (inhales deeply)

A vag0n0 dosent go in a vag0n0 and a the p0n0s isnt suppossed to go in the anus.
There is no purpose for these activities and it is an extremely inefficient way to fail at making a baby.

How people get pleasure from this i dont know
this is my theory....thats it...

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Post by Triela on Thu 11 Sep 2008 - 21:13

I don't understand how people can be homophobes. It's not like it's a disease, they just think differently about the gender that they like. I love yaoi and seeing two guys walking down the street holding hands makes me smile. ^_^

However... Bisexuality is a lie. You're either one or your the other, not both.

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Post by tsundere9kagami2 on Thu 11 Sep 2008 - 21:20

im not a homophobe i just dont find it logical and its a waste of time to think about gei people so i just stop caring im like the only person who can talk to gei people and not care tho they are hard to understand sometimes because a lot of them talk with a lisp

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Post by Triela on Thu 11 Sep 2008 - 21:25

Alright... you don't think two people of the same gender should be together... and yet you say your not a homophobe? It's not gei it's gay.

OMG my friend has a lisp! It's so adorable!! ^__^

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Post by Nachtsider on Thu 11 Sep 2008 - 21:37

Why do they talk with lisps, though?

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Post by LoC978 on Thu 11 Sep 2008 - 21:38

@Triela wrote:Bisexuality is a lie.
I can assure you it's not (not always, anyway). I have several bisexual friends, both male and female. Problems only begin in regards to this when people attempt to force what's 'right' for them on other people.
I'm a straight male, but I don't think everyone is or should be like me. I know I'm abnormal in many ways that piss a lot of people off (such as my views on religious crap Wink ), so I see nothin' wrong with other people being sexually abnormal.
That being said... there are a lot of people who will 'become' homo or bisexual after a bad sexual experience... usually in order to garner attention from those around them... and those people probably need therapy. Or sexual healing.

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Post by Triela on Thu 11 Sep 2008 - 21:39

@Nachtsider wrote:Why do they talk with lisps, though?

I really don't know. ._. I know it's steriotyping but a lot of gay guys I've met and know have lisps. That would be interesting to look up.

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Post by tsundere9kagami2 on Thu 11 Sep 2008 - 21:41

geis are um...how i say this ..Unique they are some of the humblest people i know and im sure they can get far in life people always say that they will become hobos but ive seen their grades they get As and shit
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Post by Triela on Thu 11 Sep 2008 - 21:43

@LoC978 wrote:
@Triela wrote:Bisexuality is a lie.
I can assure you it's not (not always, anyway). I have several bisexual friends, both male and female. Problems only begin in regards to this when people attempt to force what's 'right' for them on other people.
I'm a straight male, but I don't think everyone is or should be like me. I know I'm abnormal in many ways that piss a lot of people off (such as my views on religious crap Wink ), so I see nothin' wrong with other people being sexually abnormal.
That being said... there are a lot of people who will 'become' homo or bisexual after a bad sexual experience... usually in order to garner attention from those around them... and those people probably need therapy. Or sexual healing.

The thing is I used to think being bi was ok... then I saw that it was becoming an in thing. It's not "cool" to be straight or gay anymore. You have to be bi to fit in and get attention. *rolls eyes* Lets see in my school class alone I know 25 people that claims to be "bi" 3 of them happen to be my good friends.

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Post by Nachtsider on Thu 11 Sep 2008 - 21:44

Maybe they're just trying to cast the net wider.

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Post by Triela on Thu 11 Sep 2008 - 21:48

That's putting it lightly.

I can't imagine going out with a guy that was bi. It would discust me, thinking that a guy that was with me was with other guys as well. Or if we passed by a hot emo guy *drool* my boyfriend could be checking him out. Guh? It's really creepy if you ask me.

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Post by LoC978 on Thu 11 Sep 2008 - 21:49

Just because something became trendy recently doesn't mean it's always a lie. A good friend of mine (who is also pushing 30) is, and he has been since he started gettin' the urge at about age 12. It's rare. As rare as actual homosexuals... and pretty easy to tell real homo and bi folks from mere attention whores. The attention whores can't stop talking about it, but aren't political activists. Most gay and bi people either just wanna live their life without being judged and fucked with at every turn, so basically you won't be able to tell 'em from a straight person unless you get to know 'em... or they're actively lobbying for equal/special rights all the time.

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@Triela wrote:I can't imagine going out with a guy that was bi.
put the issue with your understanding in bold. some people dislike the traditional concept of long-term relationships. I'm one of them.

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Post by Nachtsider on Thu 11 Sep 2008 - 21:54

@Triela wrote:I can't imagine going out with a guy that was bi. It would discust me, thinking that a guy that was with me was with other guys as well. Or if we passed by a hot emo guy *drool* my boyfriend could be checking him out. Guh? It's really creepy if you ask me.
That would have more to do with infidelity than bisexuality. Bisexual people can and do remain loyal to their partners.

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Post by Triela on Thu 11 Sep 2008 - 21:58

@Nachtsider wrote:
@Triela wrote:I can't imagine going out with a guy that was bi. It would discust me, thinking that a guy that was with me was with other guys as well. Or if we passed by a hot emo guy *drool* my boyfriend could be checking him out. Guh? It's really creepy if you ask me.
That would have more to do with infidelity than bisexuality. Bisexual people can and do remain loyal to their partners.

Yeah but... Say I had a boyfriend who was bi and he wanted to have... relations with me. I wouldn't do it. I couldn't imagine doing it with a guy that could have done it with another guy.

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Post by Nachtsider on Thu 11 Sep 2008 - 21:59

You could go for a bisexual virgin, then.

I couldn't imagine going with a person who had been with ANYBODY ELSE PRIOR.

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Post by Triela on Thu 11 Sep 2008 - 22:00

@Nachtsider wrote:I couldn't imagine going with a person who had been with ANYBODY ELSE PRIOR.

Now a days that's a rare thing. (I'm not saying I did it btw. Personally I don't think I ever will)

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Post by LoC978 on Thu 11 Sep 2008 - 22:07

@Nachtsider wrote:bisexual virgin
that'd be one hell of a find. When damn near everything looks good to you, right from the beginning, I couldn't imagine the willpower necessary not to partake at all.
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Post by ElfenMagix on Thu 11 Sep 2008 - 22:16

I am not a homophobe by any level. And I'm 100% hetero.
But the problem I see is that there are too many freaks and weridoes out there who targets kids, and it is they that I go against. I dont care if you are a guy who like to perform fellatio on other guys or like getting your rectum stuffed with somebody else's body parts-that is your business. Just leave me out of your sexual fantisies.

But my issue is this- There are chicken hawks out there who goafter the younger ones (teens and tweens) to expose them into this type of depravity that sickens me. I know that children who are learning about sex can do things to themselves and each other out of courisosity and wanting to learn, it is no place for an adult to try to take advantage of. And unfortunately, there are lots of creeps out there who are looking for such oppertunities.

My daughter Aiesha is 23 now (damn I'm old!), but she asked me when we first met (long story) how would I feel if she was a lesbean or bisexual. I told her that its her body, and she can do with it as she pleases because I have no right to it nor control it. Nor would I want too. But if I ever found out that anyone would force her or even try to make her do something sexual against her wishes, they better be on the next shuttle flight off the planet for I will hunt them down and do to them things that even the WW2 Nazis would consider cruel and vicous...

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Post by Sintendo on Fri 12 Sep 2008 - 0:05

nb4shithitsthefaninthistopictoo

Legally, sure, marriage allows one to make sure their belongings/children/cars/etc. are taken care of by their spouse if/when they pass away.

Under religious pretexts?

I'm not touching that with a 10 foot pole...
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Post by LoC978 on Fri 12 Sep 2008 - 1:11

glad someone caught my little 'joke'
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Post by Guest on Fri 12 Sep 2008 - 11:05

I want to say that I'm totally against it, but I don't think that'll take much affect anyway.

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Post by Triela-Chan on Fri 12 Sep 2008 - 11:51

Im not against it...
I think everyone can marry who this person want to marry... Im for it...

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Post by TTIO on Fri 12 Sep 2008 - 12:05

Personally, I have no problems with it. Same for most people today, it seems. But here's the thing: it seems that nowadays it is 'in' to accept it, whereas in some places it has always been accepted. Not naming any particular places, but western society really needs to be more accepting of people imo.

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Post by LoC978 on Fri 12 Sep 2008 - 12:07

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Post by Wileama on Sun 14 Sep 2008 - 3:30

I'm not touching the religious side of this argument, or even the moral side of it. From a purely legal point of view, I don't seen anyway to be against it without amending the law. The government of the United States of America is the one handing out the marriage licenses. I always thought that in the USA we believed in the separation of church, and state. If that's the case, what is the government doing handing out a licenses to preform a religious function? The answers is from a legal stand point it's not. It's simply a preset of relationship changes simplified down into one document. Next of kin, power of attorney, stuff like that which is otherwise a much bigger hassle to change.

There's nothing in the law, unless your in a state which has changed the legal definition of marriage, that is gender specific. There are homosexuals living in the same relationship as married heterosexuals. I don't see any legal grounds for barring them access to that same ability to simply, and easily change their legal statues regarding one another. Unless of course we again go back to the states that have rewritten the law to say that marriage can only take place between a man, and a woman. Which strikes me as a bit discriminatory. Civil unions kind of strikes me as equal yet separate. Still it's better then nothing.

Okay it turns out back in 1996 the government passed the Defense of Marriage Act. So I suppose my legal argument doesn't hold quite as much water. Which is why I'm not a lawyer.

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Post by West Nile on Sun 14 Sep 2008 - 4:19

I am persoanlly against it for one simple reason, IT'S GOING TO KILL THE HUMAN RACE don't beleive me? look at Europe,in the last 40 years Europe has doomed itself three times: in 1968 when it rejected 'Humanae Vitae'; then, 20 years later, with the legalization of abortion; and today with homosexual marriage. Now the population of the continent is 80% above 55 years old, if we are talking about human extinction Europe is 1st in line.

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Post by Guest on Sun 14 Sep 2008 - 9:44

Ah yes...that's actually quite true West-san...

...I mean, we can't reproduce by well...you know...humm...*coughcough*

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Post by Whatface on Sun 14 Sep 2008 - 9:58

Eh? Its going to kill the human race??

If someone's gay, it doesn't matter if they're married or not. They're not going to make babies anyway.

Is population dwindling a bad thing? I think its a good thing, we need less damned people on this planet.

More people = more food/resource consumption = more screwing up the planet

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Re: Lesbian and Gay Marriage (Yet another contraversal topic)

Post by Guest on Sun 14 Sep 2008 - 10:13

But when you think about it again What-san...

More people=more boat people stealing your future job=more bosses finding boat people were useless=more firing=more jobs for you

Although I have to agree that over-population is a problem...I think we should start moving to the moon before Chise shows up here and blows the whole planet to oblivion...

Then again, it is something we can actually control. We just don't have the idea to do so...yet.

But gay marriage? I still think that's wrong...

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Re: Lesbian and Gay Marriage (Yet another contraversal topic)

Post by Whatface on Sun 14 Sep 2008 - 10:25

More people=more boat people stealing your
future job=more bosses finding boat people were useless=more
firing=more jobs for you
If thats the case, then that means more hobos, assholes & gangster wannabes on the street.

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Re: Lesbian and Gay Marriage (Yet another contraversal topic)

Post by TTIO on Sun 14 Sep 2008 - 10:44

@Whatface wrote:Eh? Its going to kill the human race??

If someone's gay, it doesn't matter if they're married or not. They're not going to make babies anyway.

Is population dwindling a bad thing? I think its a good thing, we need less damned people on this planet.

More people = more food/resource consumption = more screwing up the planet

also

More people = more war = more refuges = more boat people stealing my future job


Exactly what I was thinking Wink

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Post by LoC978 on Sun 14 Sep 2008 - 11:26

also, the ratio of homo to hetero is quite low.

Gay marriage isn't going to decrease the population. It's simply going to allow some people, who otherwise couldn't, to conform to social norms.
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Post by Ggultra2764 on Sun 14 Sep 2008 - 13:04

From what I studied up on homosexuality a few years ago, only 10% of the world's population is gay. So flourishing of it does help create some population control, especially as enough straight folks feel tempted either by religion, peer pressure, popular culture, or hormones to screw each other enough times either for pleasure or to have a kid.
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Post by Guest on Sun 14 Sep 2008 - 13:42

Not being entirely sexually normal myself (I am straight, but with a fetish), I don't see any reason to discriminate anyone by their sexual orientation in any way - that is, banning marriage, practices (except ones harming a partner without approval), and anything else you can think of. Heck, I'm not even against child porn that much - I'd say starting from the age of 12, not much reason not to have it.

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Post by Wileama on Sun 14 Sep 2008 - 14:57

@West Nile wrote:IT'S GOING TO KILL THE HUMAN RACE.
I said I would keep out of the moral/religious side of this debate. Turns out that I'm a damn liar, but hopefully just this once.

Really I'm not even going to make my own argument. I'll just use someone else's



As you can clearly see as pirates have declined, temperature has risen globally. Obviously the means that the Pirate population helps to control the temperature of the Earth. Much the same way gay marriage correlates to the lower birthrate in Europe. Since Japan's birth rates are falling that country must have also approved of gay marriage. Don't forget China's falling birth rate, means those damn reds are behind homosexuality as well.

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Post by TTIO on Sun 14 Sep 2008 - 16:49

That graph always makes me laugh Very Happy

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Post by Guest on Mon 15 Sep 2008 - 9:12

If thats the case, then that means more hobos, assholes & gangster wannabes on the street.

If THAT's the case then there will be more jobs for me :p (if I didn't get to join the Marines AWESOME

Time TO DIE!!! MUAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

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Post by Whatface on Mon 15 Sep 2008 - 9:15

Panzer IV wrote:
If thats the case, then that means more hobos, assholes & gangster wannabes on the street.

If THAT's the case then there will be more jobs for me :p (if I didn't get to join the Marines AWESOME

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Then hurry up and get you're ass over to Australia and clean this damned mess up, ya Frederick wannabe.

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Post by Guest on Mon 15 Sep 2008 - 10:36

Frederick wannabe.

Hey, Frederick's not that blood-thirsty in the first place :p

But Australia 0_o

Gee that's very far...and I doubt they'd let me wield a gun around

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Post by Guest on Mon 15 Sep 2008 - 18:38

Very much for it. No reason not to let gay and lesbian couples marry from a social/political aspect and I challenge anyone to come up with a decent argument against it.

Obviously the religious thing is a little different, Christianity did a pretty good job at slamming homosexuality, The Bible dubbed a man laying with another man "an abomination" =/

Recently a high-standing member of the CoE (Church of England) got married to his long-term partner. It seemed to go down pretty well, obviously there was some resistance, but there was bound to be. The guy even did a somewhat-decent job at explaining away some of the better known anti-homosexual parts of The Bible.

And I knew what that link was as soon as I saw it LoC x.x; I didn't click it lol..

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Re: Lesbian and Gay Marriage (Yet another contraversal topic)

Post by West Nile on Mon 15 Sep 2008 - 20:48

[quote="Wileama"]
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As you can clearly see as pirates have declined, temperature has risen globally. Obviously the means that the Pirate population helps to control the temperature of the Earth. Much the same way gay marriage correlates to the lower birthrate in Europe. Since Japan's birth rates are falling that country must have also approved of gay marriage. Don't forget China's falling birth rate, means those damn reds are behind homosexuality as well.

Japan- because of abortion

China- once child policy and abortion

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Post by Triela on Mon 15 Sep 2008 - 21:05

I remember last year I asked my religion teacher if being gay was a sin. She said: "No it's not a sin to be gay, but it's a sin to act upon it."

Soooo... let me get this straight. You can be gay and like other guys (or girls), but you can't go out with them, or kiss them, or marry them, or be intimate with them at all. FER SURE being gay will make you burn in the depths of hell. You know how god is to those gay people. Holier-than-thou *obvious sarcasm here*

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Post by LoC978 on Mon 15 Sep 2008 - 21:09

...and that's why debate is incompatible with religious belief. Not so much religious study, though.

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