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Re: Cleaning House

Post by Kiskaloo on Thu 6 Nov 2008 - 10:29

@KodokuRyuu wrote:What's the source on that?


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@Danjo3 wrote:But wonít people who are new to GSG have a hard time telling which girl is which?

We could split it down the middle.

On the left: "from left to right, front to back: Triela, Angelica, Henrietta, Claes, Rico, Giuseppe, Jean, Marco and Hillshire"

On the right: "from left to right, front to back: "Franca, Pinocchio, Franco and Cristiano"

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Post by Danjo3 on Thu 6 Nov 2008 - 12:16

Yeah, I guess that would work, though I must say, I like the season 1 pictures a lot better then the alien like season 2 pics.

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Post by Kiskaloo on Thu 6 Nov 2008 - 12:51

@Danjo3 wrote:Yeah, I guess that would work, though I must say, I like the season 1 pictures a lot better then the alien like season 2 pics.

No argument there.

It would be nice if we could keep the current girls pics, and then use the other image in two groups for the SWA and Padania cast (by editing out the girls).

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Post by ElfenMagix on Thu 6 Nov 2008 - 16:24

I found some .iso of Season 1 promotional cds that Sintendo, Emperor or somebody else put up on the forums a long time ago. I could never run them because they are Windows Format CDs... Anyways, according to one of them, the girls' height is very different from what it is on Season 2. In the least, Treila is still the tallest, and Claes & Rico are tied for second.

I'll see about testing the others to see if its appropriate material and them see if Tommy would want to host them on his server. I'll include a Mac & Windows Burning instructions so one can build a working CD from it. Again, these are only Windows Format and will only work on Windows.

Secondly- they are in Japanese... ALL OF IT! *UGH!*
(in the least- it does say- or I think it says where the compound is located...)

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Post by Kiskaloo on Thu 6 Nov 2008 - 16:32

So these include height charts, as well?

I have Windows as a VM on my Mac, so no worries loading them for me.

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Post by KodokuRyuu on Thu 6 Nov 2008 - 16:40

@ElfenMagix wrote:Secondly- they are in Japanese... ALL OF IT! *UGH!*
Yeah, someday I actually will get around to translating that thing, but don't count on it happening this year. I'll also look into patching it so it will appear in English.

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Post by ElfenMagix on Thu 6 Nov 2008 - 17:23

@Kiskaloo wrote:So these include height charts, as well?

I have Windows as a VM on my Mac, so no worries loading them for me.

Its not exactly a height chart, but with the girls standing together side by side, it shows who's taller than who compared to the others.

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Post by Kiskaloo on Thu 6 Nov 2008 - 17:31

@ElfenMagix wrote:It's not exactly a height chart, but with the girls standing together side by side, it shows who's taller than who compared to the others.

Like this?


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Post by ElfenMagix on Thu 6 Nov 2008 - 18:00

Close, but Triela does not have her gun. There is another one of them standing in their coats... even Claes had on a winter coat... like when does she ever go anywhere? Oh wait... the meteor shower... yeah...

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Re: Cleaning House

Post by Danjo3 on Fri 7 Nov 2008 - 1:47

Thatís much better. I also prefer the way theyíre posed. In the season 2 pic, theyíre holding their arms out like mannequins.

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Post by Danjo3 on Sun 9 Nov 2008 - 5:24

Here's another suggestion:


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Re: Cleaning House

Post by TTIO on Sun 9 Nov 2008 - 6:18

Isn't that one copyrighted?

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Post by ElfenMagix on Sun 9 Nov 2008 - 19:02

That one is. Nothing says that the image can be used, modified and the original source credited for its use.

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Post by KodokuRyuu on Wed 12 Nov 2008 - 1:25

@TTIO wrote:Isn't that one copyrighted?
Copyrighted is fine as long as there is a justification (which there is in this case), though I need to know the source and it really shouldn't be a modified image.
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Post by TTIO on Wed 12 Nov 2008 - 14:58

Because, you know, sometimes if you look around you can find uncopyrighted versions of these sorts of images. I can't remember where to look anymore though...

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Post by KodokuRyuu on Wed 12 Nov 2008 - 19:46

There's no such thing as an uncopyrighted version of these sorts of images unless the artist has released the rights. What we want for Wikipedia are images that actually show what the characters look like in the anime, not fan redraws or anything like that.
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Re: Cleaning House

Post by Danjo3 on Thu 13 Nov 2008 - 12:25

@KodokuRyuu wrote:
@TTIO wrote:Isn't that one copyrighted?
Copyrighted is fine as long as there is a justification (which there is in this case), though I need to know the source and it really shouldn't be a modified image.
You're right. I was just reading Wikiís non-free use rationale guideline, and I donít see any reason why it canít be used.

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Re: Cleaning House

Post by Kiskaloo on Thu 13 Nov 2008 - 14:04

I performed the following edits to the Wiki entry this morning:

Added expanded summaries for -Il Teatrino- episodes 7, 10, 11, 12 and 13.
Added summaries for -Il Teatrino- episodes 14 and 15. Also added the release date.
Modified the top paragraph of the main page to note two additional episodes were released on DVD.
Modified the Anime entry to reflect that the DVD have been released.


Also, the following text in Claes' entry is incorrect - "In volume four, she trespasses into the indoor shooting range and is promptly told off by Giuseppe, although it is too late and her memory is sparked by the scent of gunpowder and watching the other people shoot at targets."

Giuseppe was not against her being there. He only told her to stay behind the white line which designated the active firing zone.
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Post by KodokuRyuu on Thu 13 Nov 2008 - 23:03

Looks great! I was going to drop you a message on how to mess with those templates but it looks like you figgured it out just fine on your own. Fixed the Claes entry. Nee, we need a summary for the characters' article in the main article. Do you think you could write one up? Oh yeah, and ~~~~ doesn't work in the edit summary. Neither do templates or external links, but internal links work.
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Post by Kiskaloo on Thu 13 Nov 2008 - 23:12

@KodokuRyuu wrote:Nee, we need a summary for the characters' article in the main article. Do you think you could write one up?

Will do.
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Post by Kiskaloo on Fri 14 Nov 2008 - 0:36

Ok, I added the summary.

On an aside, are most of the issues in the "Warning Box" even issues anymore now that we have performed clean-up and expansion of the pages?
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Post by KodokuRyuu on Fri 14 Nov 2008 - 0:51

Looks good. For future reference, the plural of fratello is fratelli. Also, uncommon non-English words should be italicized. Don't know about the tag, I'll ask someone.
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Post by Kiskaloo on Fri 14 Nov 2008 - 10:24

@KodokuRyuu wrote:Also, uncommon non-English words should be italicized. Don't know about the tag, I'll ask someone.

It's appears to be the " symbol. Also, should they be italicized throughout the document, or just on their first use? I did it for the initial use, but not for the remainder.
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Post by boomer_gonz on Fri 14 Nov 2008 - 13:03

@KodokuRyuu wrote:Looks good. For future reference, the plural of fratello is fratelli. Also, uncommon non-English words should be italicized. Don't know about the tag, I'll ask someone.

Fratelli?

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Post by Kiskaloo on Fri 14 Nov 2008 - 15:48

Not sure if we want a picture on the main page of the girls, but I found this one in my collection (no clue where I got it - probably some blog):

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Post by LoC978 on Fri 14 Nov 2008 - 16:18

can't remember where I got these (it was years ago)... but it's basically the same poses as that pic...




then there's this one (again, no idea where it came from... my hard drives are just full of stuff I don't remember...)

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Post by Nachtsider on Fri 14 Nov 2008 - 19:16

Those were from the official GSG website, LoC. They're no longer there now.

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Post by ElfenMagix on Fri 14 Nov 2008 - 19:31

LoC- that second one is pre-2000 GsG material that Yu was working on as he did BitterSweet Fools.

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*saved*

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Post by KodokuRyuu on Mon 17 Nov 2008 - 21:02

@Kiskaloo wrote:It's appears to be the " symbol. Also, should they be italicized throughout the document, or just on their first use? I did it for the initial use, but not for the remainder.
Foreign terms should be italicized in all cases per WP:ITALICS. Italics are done with two single quotes (') on both sides of the text. They look just like double quotes (") but they're not.

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Post by Kiskaloo on Sun 15 Feb 2009 - 1:10

I took a screen cap of Elsa and added it to her entry since the other animated characters have it.

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Post by Nachtsider on Sun 15 Feb 2009 - 22:15

I'd have preferred something that shows more of her body, or at least a head-and-shoulders shot. But it's not bad.

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Post by Kiskaloo on Sun 15 Feb 2009 - 22:32

@Nachtsider wrote:I'd have preferred something that shows more of her body, or at least a head-and-shoulders shot. But it's not bad.

A number of the pics are headshots, so that is what I went with.

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Post by Kiskaloo on Thu 5 Mar 2009 - 16:49

Based on Chapter 59, as well as some of the earlier chapters, I am thinking Doctor Belesario (who does not have an entry in the character section) is actually in charge of the conditioning program and not Dr. Bianchi.

Should we consider adding Belesario to the wiki and moving the conditioning program duties from Bianchi's entry to Belesario's?

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Post by KodokuRyuu on Thu 5 Mar 2009 - 19:12

That's literally gonna cut Bianchi's summary in half. While I think they do need separate entries, both will need quite a bit of expansion first.
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Post by Nachtsider on Thu 5 Mar 2009 - 20:06

Damn, I don't even know who this Belassario is. Shows how much I've been outta the loop.

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Post by Secchan on Thu 5 Mar 2009 - 20:42

^ I think he might be that bald guy, but I'm not too sure myself.

And, I was never under the impression that Bianchi was in charge of conditioning >>;
I always saw him as more of a counselor...
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Post by Nachtsider on Thu 5 Mar 2009 - 20:49

He seems to know quite a bit about how the process works, though. And it's him who gives Angie her first ever dose.

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Post by Kiskaloo on Thu 5 Mar 2009 - 21:03

In Chapter 18, Doctor Belgonchi (?) notes to Claes that his research in the public medical arena was close to being terminated due in part to moral (ethics) issues. It is possible Belesario was also performing research of questionable benefit and found the SWA a more "open" place since all they likely care about is just the results and not how they are obtained.

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Post by Nachtsider on Thu 5 Mar 2009 - 21:04

Shades of Unit 731.

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Post by ElfenMagix on Thu 5 Mar 2009 - 22:22

@Kiskaloo wrote:In Chapter 18, Doctor Belgonchi (?) notes to Claes that his research in the public medical arena was close to being terminated due in part to moral (ethics) issues. It is possible Belesario was also performing research of questionable benefit and found the SWA a more "open" place since all they likely care about is just the results and not how they are obtained.
I have been saying that since the beginning. No way some gov't agency can be gathering girls, making parents sign papers to their ownership, and put them experiements that is supposed to rebuild them and send them into termination squads. There is no morals or ethincs in this anywhere!

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Post by Kiskaloo on Thu 5 Mar 2009 - 22:38

Well the public face of the SWA is a program started by the Prime Minister. I have always been under the impression that the private face (Public Safety and Special Operations) were also started by the Prime Minister and the public face was a cover.

Italy has literally dozens of anti-terrorist and intelligence groups, military and civilian. They all report to different agencies and ministries and such and it's likely a bloody mess.

The PM wanted his own "special forces" and that is what the SWA are. And with him owning over 80% of all media in Italy, he can keep it's existence hidden. I expect the Ministers of Defense and Interior know something about it, but they can't do anything but accept it's existence.

So girls go into the "public side" and, unfortunately, "don't survive" and are clandestinely moved to the "secret side". Considering their injuries, it's to be expected so nobody complains or raises questions.

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Re: Cleaning House

Post by KodokuRyuu on Fri 6 Mar 2009 - 2:09

@Secchan wrote:^ I think he might be that bald guy, but I'm not too sure myself.
Yup, he's the baldy. I didn't know that either until this chapter.

@Kiskaloo wrote:The PM wanted his own "special forces" and that is what the SWA are. And with him owning over 80% of all media in Italy, he can keep it's existence hidden. I expect the Ministers of Defense and Interior know something about it, but they can't do anything but accept it's existence.
I doubt that presuming Yu is using recent (2008 onward) data - the current PM is Silvio Berlusconi who started the right-wing party Forza Italia (Forward Italy). The current Minister of Defense is Ignazio La Russa who is a member of Il Popolo della Libertŗ (The People of Freedom) - another party started by Berlusconi. The current Minister of Interior is Roberto Maroni, a member of Lega Nord (North League, read as Padania). All three parties are closely related and have had various alliances in the past. However, during 2006-2008 term left-wing parties held all three of those positions, so if Yu went by that... But from 2001-2006 Forza Italia held all those positions and the House of Freedoms right-wing party alliance had the senate majority. Blast it! Who's running the SWA!?
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Post by Nachtsider on Fri 6 Mar 2009 - 2:11

I thought Monica Petris was the boss.

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Post by emperor on Fri 6 Mar 2009 - 2:19

@Nachtsider wrote:I thought Monica Petris was the boss.

Maybe she is just second in command or something like that.

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Post by boomer_gonz on Fri 6 Mar 2009 - 4:40

I think the entire Agency answeres to her, but even she has a superior above her.

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Post by emperor on Fri 6 Mar 2009 - 6:55

That superior must be the PM.

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Post by Kiskaloo on Fri 6 Mar 2009 - 11:08

@KodokuRyuu wrote:I doubt that presuming Yu is using recent (2008 onward) data - the current PM is Silvio Berlusconi...

Actually, Silvio Berlusconi was also PM of Itay when Yu started writing Gunslinger Girl and I believe Yu based his fictional PM in part on Mr. Berlusconi, who is a huge media tycoon in Italy. He may not own 80% of the media, but he owns a significant part of it.

Blast it! Who's running the SWA!?
@Nachtsider wrote:I thought Monica Petris was the boss.

Monica Petris is the director of SWA Special Operations. Draghi and Lorenzo both report to her. Her counterpart at SWA Public Security appears to be Reschiglian. And we have seen Monica speaking directly with the PM about SWA Special Operations missions which is why I am of the opinion she (and Reschiglian) answer directly to him.

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Post by ElfenMagix on Fri 6 Mar 2009 - 20:59

As Kiskaloo explained, the SWA is sectioned, and each section reports to their supervisors. Lorenzo is Cheif Director of Section 2 where our girls reside, Dragni is of Section 1; both report to Monica. Monica may have a supervisor or co-director she works with and they both report to the Prime Minister.

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Post by Kiskaloo on Mon 9 Mar 2009 - 17:06

I did some major edits to the Other Members of the Special Ops division page, including:

Added the following entries:

Amadeo (アマデオ ,Amadeo)
Voiced by: Takeshi Maeda (Japanese), David Stroh (English)
Voiced by: Yoshimasa Hosoya in Gunslinger Girl: Il Teatrino
A male agent for Section 2 and former Marine. He refers to himself as "The Agent of Love".

Giorgio (ジョルジオ ,Jiorujio)
Voiced by: Hirofumi Shimozaki (Japanese), Mike McFarland (English)
A male agent for Section 2.

Nihad (ニハド ,Nihado)
Voiced by: Tuichi Tsuchiya
A male agent for Section 2.

Dr. Donato (ドナト ,Donato)
Member of the surgical team. Replaced Triela's leg in Volume 4.

Dr. Belesario
Oversees the conditioning processes used on the cyborgs. Holds four doctorates.

Marianna (マリアーナ ,Mariāna)
Voiced by: Makoto Tomita
Technician officer and neurologist. She keeps track of the mental deterioration the conditioning drugs have on the girls.

I also edited the following entries:

Dr. Bianchi - removed the line about him overseeing the conditioning process. Volumes 9, 10 and 11 make it pretty clear that Belesarip handles this (Bianchi himself asks Belesario about the conditioning process in Volume 9).

Dr. Gilliani
- Added (Also referred to as "Dr. Zilliani") as the scanlations use the later (I believe ADV uses the former).

Belgonchi - Added that he performed some of the body design of Petrushka with Dr. Gilliani (V6, P96)


I also re-arranged the entries so the personnel who work in the same departments are listed together.

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Post by KodokuRyuu on Mon 9 Mar 2009 - 20:24

That's good, but if the entries are going to be so short, then they should be merged into paragraphs. For instance, you could clump all the Section 2 doctors into one entry and talk about and name all of them in a single paragraph. Same for Section 1 agents, and Section 2 agents - they could all go into two separate entries. You know what, I think I'll go ahead and just do that.

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Post by Kiskaloo on Mon 9 Mar 2009 - 21:28

@KodokuRyuu wrote:That's good, but if the entries are going to be so short, then they should be merged into paragraphs. For instance, you could clump all the Section 2 doctors into one entry and talk about and name all of them in a single paragraph.

Perhaps we should rename Other members of the Special Ops division to Social Welfare Agency Staff?

Then we can have a paragraph for:
Special Operations, Section 1 (Draghi, Fermi and Gabrielli)
Special Operations, Section 2 (Lorenzo, Ferro, Alfonso, Amadeo, Giorgio, Nihad, Olga, Priscilla)
Medical Staff (Bianchi, Gilliani, Donato, Belesario, Belgonchi, Duvalier, Marianna)

I believe both Director Reschiglian and Rossanna are part of SWA Public Security, so we might want to add them in, as well. Maybe before Special Operations. We also need to include SWA Special Operations Director Monica Petris.

I also added a note about Chiara and Silvia being introduced in Chapter 60 under Child assassins - Others.

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Post by Nachtsider on Mon 9 Mar 2009 - 21:58

As far as I'm aware, it's the other way around - ADV uses 'Zilliani' while our team uses 'Gilliani'.

Why that damn 'additional references needed' label still appears at the head of the article is beyond me.

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Post by Kiskaloo on Mon 9 Mar 2009 - 22:03

@Nachtsider wrote:As far as I'm aware, it's the other way around - ADV uses 'Zilliani' while our team uses 'Gilliani'.

Ah, ok. I tend to use Zilliani in my fiction, but whatevers. Smile


Why that damn 'additional references needed' label still appears at the head of the article is beyond me.

I don't know why any of those tags still exist, frankly.

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Post by Kiskaloo on Sat 14 Mar 2009 - 23:16

When it comes to characters, I wonder if we should not consider something like the Last Exile wiki entry?

On the main page there is a simple list of characters and a link to a detailed list of characters.


EDIT - Actually, I saw the new structure KodokuRyuu did and it looks great as-is.


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Post by ElfenMagix on Sat 14 Mar 2009 - 23:46

The GsG Wiki entries are in 2 parts:
The Show- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunslinger_girl
The Characters- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Gunslinger_Girl_characters

So, why not?

It would be simillar to the GsG-OC convention (to those who follow it) of Story entries listing the characters within them and having those characters linked to their own pages.

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Post by Kiskaloo on Sat 14 Mar 2009 - 23:52

Actually, I saw the new structure KodokuRyuu did and it looks great as-is.

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Post by ElfenMagix on Sun 15 Mar 2009 - 0:36

Both pages seem to fail Wikipedia's content rules for a long time, since 2007 in one case. And from what I see, little has changed in structure, just content. This is fine but me, but what changes you speak off- point them out, for I do not see them.

Just a couple of requests. Why are the Manga Images not posted along with Season 1 & 2 character pictures? And why the others like the handlers and staff and villians dont have their own picts? I remember the orginal GsG Wiki page having them.

Also a link to the story wiki-link would be benefical in linking the two pages together. (Somewhere on the first or second lines of the Wiki article.)

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