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Post by Angiegarde on Wed 26 Nov 2008 - 0:04

If Elsa and even Lauro had lived on, how would she or they influence the fanfics that you all produce?

I ask this because in MY planned GSG fics which'll be AU from the canon, Elsa and Lauro WILL live on and become better people while influencing the world around them in a positive way.

I made this decision because I like Elsa and feel that she deserves to be shaped into a better person instead of being killed off.
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Post by Kiskaloo on Wed 26 Nov 2008 - 0:08

Kara would have made an initial attempt at friendship and, once rebuffed, likely would have just ignored her except when on missions, where she'd just relate to her as a fellow operative as necessary.
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Post by Danjo3 on Wed 26 Nov 2008 - 0:13

Will they be skipping though fields of daisys? Sorry Angiegarde, but it sounds a little lame.

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Post by LoC978 on Wed 26 Nov 2008 - 4:26

yeah... I don't see Lauro changing. Maybe Elsa. Maybe if she was to exercise enough restraint not to kill him, but simply to make it clear to the rest of the SWA that she and Lauro were an ineffective fratello for some reason. Maybe Lauro would wind up fired, or transferred to Section one... and maybe Elsa would get another handler, or become another guinea pig... or get quietly killed and cremated.
I really don't see them just 'getting better'... but that might just be my take on Lauro's personality talking. I pretty much have him pegged as being in it purely for the extravagant paycheck.

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Post by Guest on Wed 26 Nov 2008 - 5:20

Frederick won't have a room then...

...or maybe moved to a different room

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Post by emperor on Wed 26 Nov 2008 - 9:12

This is a good idea,Angiegarde. Awesome!

I should expand this question like this :

What will your OC get belong with good guy Lauro and better Elsa?

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Post by Probit Return on Wed 26 Nov 2008 - 15:35

Well, if they lived on, I'd be out of a story. That also means another story of mine would be altered ever so slightly. So I guess it wouldn't mean too much, but it would still prove to change the bigger picture of the Probitverse (Still need to find a better name for that).

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Post by Kiskaloo on Wed 26 Nov 2008 - 15:57

Panzer IV wrote:Frederick won't have a room then...

...or maybe moved to a different room

Per the manga, when Elsa died Claes used it as her studio. Then Petrushka took it over as her room when she joined. Wink
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Post by Angiegarde on Wed 26 Nov 2008 - 19:22

@Danjo3 wrote:Will they be skipping though fields of daisys? Sorry Angiegarde, but it sounds a little lame.

No!

They'll simply become somewhat better people. They'd find the idea that you suggested to be lame.

If you don't like my idea, fine but don't be so rude about it Danjo!!!

Anyways, Elsa would retain her cold shell but would simply treat those around her better. As for Lauro, he'd remain cool and professional but he'd treat Elsa somewhat better.
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Post by Angiegarde on Wed 26 Nov 2008 - 19:35

@emperor wrote:This is a good idea,Angiegarde. Awesome!

I should expand this question like this :

What will your OC get belong with good guy Lauro and better Elsa?

Good

By the way, to answer your question, my fanmade character Clarissa would get a friend and comrade who despite being cool and glacial where she (Clair) is firey and loud mouthed has the same mindset when killing the enemy as well as the same funcition, being room "cleaners".

As for my other fanmade junior operative Anastasia, she'd get someone to clash with as Anastasia's snobbish and would regard Elsa's cold front as being disrespectful. In turn, Elsa would regard Anna's snobbish personality as annoying.

As for Lauro, I'd likely make him largely a background character as my focus would be on the junior operatives, not their handlers. He would however struggle to find a happy medium between being like Jean and being like Jose since he'd want to retain his professional demeanor without being a prick to Elsa.

Of course, my primary concern is redeeming Elsa so if I had to, I'd ditch my attempts to redeem Lauro.
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Post by ElfenMagix on Wed 26 Nov 2008 - 20:11

Well, in my fanfict Elsa's Christmas Story , Things were going to change, but in Elsa's eyes it was too little too late.

In my webcomic that I post here, Elsa is a wee bit of a little terrorist... Evil

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Post by Danjo3 on Thu 27 Nov 2008 - 4:02

@Angiegarde wrote:If you don't like my idea, fine but don't be so rude about it Danjo!!!
Sorry if I sounded rude Angiegarde, I do beg your pardon. I suppose I should have been more constructive.

I pretty much agree with LoC978. The idea of Lauro and Elsa doing an about face and becoming an inspiration to those around them is pretty far out there even by fan fic standards. I also think a story like that would tend to be very fluffy, and fluff is not something Ive ever equated with Lauro and Elsa. But if you think you can make it work, then by all means, go for it.

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Post by West Nile on Thu 27 Nov 2008 - 6:36

then there is the slight chance Triela looses one OC suitor...

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Post by Guest on Thu 27 Nov 2008 - 9:01

Per the manga, when Elsa died Claes used it as her studio. Then Petrushka took it over as her room when she joined.

Oh yeah I totally forgot about that...

...damn it!

Well, then maybe Frederick will try to get friendly with her and if it fails (with a complement of her rough attitude)...well, best not to touch her.

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Post by Kiskaloo on Thu 27 Nov 2008 - 12:17

Panzer IV wrote:
Per the manga, when Elsa died Claes used it as her studio. Then Petrushka took it over as her room when she joined.

Oh yeah I totally forgot about that...

...damn it!

Well, then maybe Frederick will try to get friendly with her and if it fails (with a complement of her rough attitude)...well, best not to touch her.

Well you could always just drop by her room and say "Hi! I just arrived at the Agency and I hear you have a spare bed! Oh, I just see one. Wanna share it?"
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Post by LoC978 on Thu 27 Nov 2008 - 14:15

lol... Baldo already tried that one, as I recall. He flew like 30 yards...

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Post by Angiegarde on Thu 27 Nov 2008 - 15:19

@Danjo3 wrote:
@Angiegarde wrote:If you don't like my idea, fine but don't be so rude about it Danjo!!!
Sorry if I sounded rude Angiegarde, I do beg your pardon. I suppose I should have been more constructive.

I pretty much agree with LoC978. The idea of Lauro and Elsa doing an about face and becoming an inspiration to those around them is pretty far out there even by fan fic standards. I also think a story like that would tend to be very fluffy, and fluff is not something Ive ever equated with Lauro and Elsa. But if you think you can make it work, then by all means, go for it.

And I'm sorry that I blew up at you Danjo. I was having a bad day and your comment pushed me over the edge.

Anyways, they wouldn't be an inspiration to those around them, they'd still struggle in their attempts to become better people and would make mistakes along the way. Even if they succedded, they'd still be cool and distant. They'd simply try not to be pricks and they'd actually be the ones to be inspired by others, not the other way around.
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Post by Danjo3 on Thu 27 Nov 2008 - 17:08

Maybe Lauro could experience some major life crisis, much like the Croce brothers did when they lost their family. I think if Lauro got even a tad bit nicer, Elsa would follow suit.

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Post by boomer_gonz on Thu 27 Nov 2008 - 19:37

@Angiegarde wrote:If Elsa and even Lauro had lived on, how would she or they influence the fanfics that you all produce?

I ask this because in MY planned GSG fics which'll be AU from the canon, Elsa and Lauro WILL live on and become better people while influencing the world around them in a positive way.

I made this decision because I like Elsa and feel that she deserves to be shaped into a better person instead of being killed off.

Interesting; very interesting in fact. This might affect a plot device I'm working on currently.

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Post by Kiskaloo on Thu 27 Nov 2008 - 20:16

Well the anime said he was doing it for the money, I think because he had some large debts or something. Of course, why a secret government agency would hire someone who owed a lot of money to folks... Then again, the anime did play fast and loose with the manga at times, which is why I prefer to set my OC universe in just the manga.

But maybe Lauro finally paying off Jabba the Hutt and getting the death-mark off his head lightened him up, a bit. Maybe Elsa performed a really selfless act beyond what one would expect a cyborg to do that opened his eyes.

Or maybe he got tired of all the other handlers getting up in his grill all the time about how he treated Elsa in front of their own cyborgs so he started to at least fake being nice to her and that eventually led to a thawing of his heart towards her.
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Post by emperor on Thu 27 Nov 2008 - 20:26

so he started to at least fake being nice to her and that eventually led to a thawing of his heart towards her.

This will be another sad drama,isn't it?

Interesting...

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Post by Nachtsider on Thu 27 Nov 2008 - 20:28

@Kiskaloo wrote:Well the anime said he was doing it for the money, I think because he had some large debts or something.
I'm more inclined to think he was just an avaricious man.

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Post by LoC978 on Thu 27 Nov 2008 - 21:17

"had his eye on a new luxury car", eh Nacht?

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Post by ElfenMagix on Thu 27 Nov 2008 - 22:29

As I see it, Lauro was like any other handler who was eager to have a cyborg killer tot for a parnter for his missions. And in the beginning, he was nice to her. Lets say this relationship lasted 5 years, because in the few times the Lauro/Elsa team were discussed, they were considered as one of the best teams out there.

But then Lauro started to have Handler Burnout. Killing became too much of a chore and he was getting sloppy in it. Thus he began to send Elsa out on her own. Without guidence and proper training (which Lauro began to neglect on Elsa), Elsa was getting sloppy (as Nacht stated about Epi 9). Unknown or unnoticed by him, Elsa's feelings for him were growing on what feelings that only little girls would have along with the coupling of the conditioning medication was having on her.

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Post by LoC978 on Thu 27 Nov 2008 - 22:39

somehow I don't think they had that long, since Elsa was the last of the first gens...

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Post by ElfenMagix on Thu 27 Nov 2008 - 22:56

I would say this if the following was true:
Angie & Triela are 1 & 2 with 7 years.
Rico & Henriett are 3 & 4 with 6 years.
Claes, Elsa & Beatrice are 5, 6 & 7 with 5 years.

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Post by LoC978 on Thu 27 Nov 2008 - 23:07

at the time of her death? it's been awhile now... 7 years for Triela was in volume 10... Elsa's death was over a year prior to that...
Also, I'd think there was more than one year between Angie/Triela's reconstruction and Rico/Henrietta's. closer to three, I'm thinkin'. Relatively fast after that, but Angie and Triela had a lot of bugs to work out.
My guess is that Elsa had two years, tops.

all conjecture based on incomplete information though... so, like all GSG timelines, take it with a grain of salt.

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Post by ElfenMagix on Thu 27 Nov 2008 - 23:21

True.

In my speculation, adding Pia and the agency mind set of "We need 10 up and running asap!", gives me the list of:

Angie & Triela are 1 & 2 with 7 years.
Pia, Rico & Henriett are 3 & 4 with 6 years*.
Claes, Elsa & Beatrice are 5, 6 & 7 with 5 years**.

* In the game it has been translated that Pia tells Henrietta that "We were friends since the beginning...", showing that they were around at about the sametime. Pia, in speculation, lasted I would guess about 4 years.

**You're right on Elsa's death, but between Volume 1 & 2 and Volume 10, 1 year has pasted. Elsa's time would have been 4 years, but started shortly after Claes was built.

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Post by Piero on Thu 27 Nov 2008 - 23:37

Well, there may well have been a significant gap between the early girls and the later girls, but...

If Angie and Triela were the only cyborgs at the agency for a really long period of time, don't you think the two of them would be closer? I realise Angelica's being in hospital a lot and Etta's key character status come into play here, but still... for some reason it seems to me like the two should be closer if they spent so much time as the only cyborgs at the agency.

From another perspective... do we know that Triela was really that close to Angie in terms of arrival? Yu may have put Angie in some scenes relating to Triela's past, but whose to say there wasn't another reason for Angie to be undergoing treatment at the time?

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Post by Kiskaloo on Thu 27 Nov 2008 - 23:58

@Piero wrote:If Angie and Triela were the only cyborgs at the agency for a really long period of time, don't you think the two of them would be closer?

Well in the manga Triela went to see Angelica in the hospital.

And in the flashback scene at the end of Volume 9, Triela is doing Angie's hair in (a) room.
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Post by LoC978 on Fri 28 Nov 2008 - 0:07

Triela is closer to Angie than anyone other than Priscilla or Marco. Angie is just spending a lot of time in the hospital when the series starts up, some 3-4 years into their run.

Elfen wrote:**You're right on Elsa's death, but between Volume 1 & 2 and Volume 10, 1 year has pasted. Elsa's time would have been 4 years, but started shortly after Claes was built.
perhaps. how much time do you figure is between volumes 6 and 10, though? The first chapter of 6 was only a month or two (maybe three, but I doubt it... that would hardly count as 'almost a year') short of the anniversary of Elsa's death.

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Post by Nachtsider on Fri 28 Nov 2008 - 0:29

@LoC978 wrote:"had his eye on a new luxury car", eh Nacht?
Ayep. All 'bout the money, all 'bout the dum-dum-dah-dah-dah-dum.

@ElfenMagix wrote:As I see it, Lauro was like any other handler who was eager to have a cyborg killer tot for a parnter for his missions. And in the beginning, he was nice to her. Lets say this relationship lasted 5 years, because in the few times the Lauro/Elsa team were discussed, they were considered as one of the best teams out there.
Sorry, Elfen, but I cannot see someone like your Lauro turning into this selfish man who regards cyborgs as being less than human. The person you describe would probably end up like Marco instead. And I don't see anything in the canon that indicates Elsa and Lauro being considered 'one of the best teams out there'. As LoC points out, a five-year operational period for Elsa cannot hold true - I'd put it at one year, tops. To be honest, one year might even be seriously pushing it.

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Post by Danjo3 on Fri 28 Nov 2008 - 3:06

@Nachtsider wrote:Sorry, Elfen, but I cannot see someone like your Lauro turning into this selfish man who regards cyborgs as being less than human.
Agreed. Lauro strikes me as the type of guy who was born an asshole.

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Post by tremec6speed on Tue 19 Oct 2010 - 1:49

To answer your question Angiegarde, their continued existence would have a major impact in my fanfiction world. In fact, my original characters were initially a plot device from one of my fanfic stories. They later evolved into people in their own right so to speak. Since Elsa was roomed with no one, it was easy to place Helen there in order to have deSica witness a nasty beating at the hands of her 'big brother' Salvatore, leaving the little cyborg, (Helen) whimpering!
The pendulum would then swing the other way. After becoming green with envy at the affection Jose has for Henrietta, she would now contemplate the possibility of Lauro becoming friends with a brute which could influence him for the worse. (Elsa might even consider offing Salvatore if she sees the two becoming friends)
While some say that fan fiction works better when it stays in close parameters to the original story, what I enjoy most about fan fiction is the freedom to write and draw what ever I want. If one is into fluff, then the fluffier the better I say! lol If action and angst is your thing, then have your characters shoot the bad guys while pitying them at the same time. It's all good in my eyes! Ultimately I'm writing for myself so if I like what I've done, mission accomplished!
Main focus of my tales are:
1) keep Lauro alive, :p
2) find ways to make him care for a what is essentially a child trapped inside a mechanical body.
Since he's a tough nut to crack, that makes him more interesting to work with in my opinion.
Can't wait to read your own stories Angiegarde, I'm sure they'll be cool!


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Post by crazyidiot78 on Tue 19 Oct 2010 - 7:04

In my own fanfic I would see Elsa refusing to go with the girls when they make their escape, while the handlers simply left Lauro out of the loop as he is a jack ass. I then see Lauro and Elsa being tasked to track down the girls and eliminate them or bring them back to the agency. Where it goes from there I don't really know. However I still see Elsa shooting him in the end when she realizes what a jerk his is though.
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Post by Jacen Starslayer on Tue 19 Oct 2010 - 12:36

I haven't really made a decision on whether or not to off Elsa and Lauro.

Either way, it wouldn't really alter my plot too much since the major players in my story are Jay, Rico, Triela, Alpha, Claes, Jean, Ferro and Priscilla.

Elsa's dies: I guess I could have Jay observe her murder/suicide and become more of a pacifist in which he refuses to kill his targets, wounding them instead until the end of the story.

Elsa's lives: I guess that she could be join Rico in the Jay fanclub for the same reasons that Rico. Their handlers don't give a crap about them and Jay gives them attention that they deserve. God, I'm starting to turn Jay into a Shiki Tohno with his harem...

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Re: How Elsa's continued existence would influence your fanfics

Post by ElfenMagix on Tue 19 Oct 2010 - 17:11

@Jacen Starslayer wrote:Elsa's lives: I guess that she could be join Rico in the Jay fanclub for the same reasons that Rico. Their handlers don't give a crap about them and Jay gives them attention that they deserve. God, I'm starting to turn Jay into a Shiki Tohno with his harem...
Unfortunately, Elsa is the president of the 'We Love Lauro!' fanclub. Anything else would only place a distant second for her.

Which come to a point, in the anime, Elsa was beginning to see how things were different with her and Lauro and the other girls with their handlers. In that, she was beginning to see how different things were and how she wanted them to be. That was when the cracks in the character begin to develop.

If for some reason, Elsa had not killed Lauro, then things could have turned around for her. She may not have had the support of Lauro, but she did have the support of the girls if only she allowed herself to be open to them. In that I can see Elsa living and changing.

If Elsa would have been around at the time of Solution's Resolution, she, like Pia, would have been confronted about the relationship she has with her handler; in Pia's case- the dosing level of the conditioning medication. What would have happened later would have depended on the rest of the story. At least she would not be chasing him like Pia does through Ernesto... At least she and Lauro would not have a carraffe of hot coffee spilled onto their faces!

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Post by FearTheLASERFACE on Tue 19 Oct 2010 - 21:38

I'd put a bullet through her eye. Cuz my fanfic involves quite a bit of Cyborg fighting. And, admittingly, its just seems kinda serious but still kinda funny if she came back out of nowhere and gets shot in the eye. Again. I'd be sure to make it sad and all, though.
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Re: How Elsa's continued existence would influence your fanfics

Post by Professor Voodoo on Tue 19 Oct 2010 - 22:58

I imagine the Elsa-Lauro incident hangs over the Agency like a spectre, influencing the behavior of the handlers even years later.
On one hand I'm pretty sure it isn't discussed openly. The official story is still that they were assassinated, and Elsa died protecting her handler.
On the other hand, everyone knows the real truth by now.

If Elsa & Lauro hadn't died the other handlers might not be so careful, and eventually a similar incident would have happened to one of them.

As for the cyborgs; Elsa was not a big part of their lives before she died, I doubt they even remember her much.

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Re: How Elsa's continued existence would influence your fanfics

Post by theprodigalson on Wed 20 Oct 2010 - 1:05

@Professor Voodoo wrote:As for the cyborgs; Elsa was not a big part of their lives before she died, I doubt they even remember her much.

I don't recall them being particularly devastated by Angie's death either. I really don't think anyone short of their handler dying affects them much...I haven't seen the Beatrice aftermath yet so NO SPOILING!!!

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Re: How Elsa's continued existence would influence your fanfics

Post by ElfenMagix on Wed 20 Oct 2010 - 9:36

The girls see death all the time, whether by their hand or by another cause. They also know that their life is short. So they dont really care about death other than doing the best they can with what time they have.

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Re: How Elsa's continued existence would influence your fanfics

Post by ebitempura966 on Mon 25 Oct 2010 - 11:09

welll as for luca herself, she just like water and oil, they cant be mixed, so it turs to be frienemies
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