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Post by Sintendo on Tue 16 Dec 2008 - 3:23

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/editorial/2008-12-11/christopher-handley/carl-horn

Seriously?

WTF U.S.A.? Are we REALLY going to send a man to 20 years in federal ASS POUNDING prison because he bought a COMIC BOOK from Japan?

I'm not into all that loli bullshit, but does a drawing of a girl having sex really hurt anyone in REAL life? I can draw a 10 year old stick figure boy that's fucking a dog with a pogo stick... is that hurting any more 10-year-olds out there?

Good god, they might as well throw Stan Lee in jail for all the dead people he drew!

GODDAMMIT!
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Post by Tommygunner70 on Tue 16 Dec 2008 - 3:36

Sintendo wrote:http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/editorial/2008-12-11/christopher-handley/carl-horn

Seriously?

WTF U.S.A.? Are we REALLY going to send a man to 20 years in federal ASS POUNDING prison because he bought a COMIC BOOK from Japan?

I'm not into all that loli bullshit, but does a drawing of a girl having sex really hurt anyone in REAL life? I can draw a 10 year old stick figure boy that's fucking a dog with a pogo stick... is that hurting any more 10-year-olds out there?

Good god, they might as well throw Stan Lee in jail for all the dead people he drew!

GODDAMMIT!

Holy fucking shit.

Welll... that is one reason why a lot of Dutch people look upon America as if it is just one big mental institution without a fence around it.

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Post by LoC978 on Tue 16 Dec 2008 - 3:41

aaaand our legal system finds a new low to explore.

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Post by boomer_gonz on Tue 16 Dec 2008 - 4:43

Our tax dollars at work?

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Post by Whatface on Tue 16 Dec 2008 - 4:44

That's just fucking RETARDED!!

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Post by Nachtsider on Tue 16 Dec 2008 - 5:49

I lol'd.

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Re: 20 Years in Prison for Buying a Manga

Post by Guest on Tue 16 Dec 2008 - 6:57

...wow.

I don't know whether I should lol or I should pity the guy...



loli content, possibly...?

Wait a minute...if I go to the US for college...how am I supposed to...oh wait, online manga. Better whip my English a little...

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Post by TTIO on Tue 16 Dec 2008 - 17:03

That's rather dumb...

I'm glad there aren't any laws against that sort of thing in the UK.

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Post by Triela-Chan on Tue 16 Dec 2008 - 17:10

Aren´t there tons of H-Mangas to buy in the internet or wherever? They shouldn´t sell it if it is against the law...........

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Re: 20 Years in Prison for Buying a Manga

Post by TTIO on Tue 16 Dec 2008 - 17:15

Ah, laws change according to the country. Japan don't care, the UK are a bit lax, and I think the same applies to most of Europe, but Australia and the US don't allow any loli. At all, last time I checked.

Most people get away with it by bypassing customs, or downloading it from a server in a country that allows it...

Besides, this isn't about H-Mangas! It's only lolicon that they care about (for now)...

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Re: 20 Years in Prison for Buying a Manga

Post by Kiskaloo on Tue 16 Dec 2008 - 17:19

Tommygunner70 wrote:
Sintendo wrote:I'm not into all that loli bullshit, but does a drawing of a girl having sex really hurt anyone in REAL life?

Well... that is one reason why a lot of Dutch people look upon America as if it is just one big mental institution without a fence around it.

As I understand it, while the Bulletin of Acts and Decrees 470 declares "virtual child pornography" to be illegal, it does not consider "lollicon" to be such material so it is not subject to the Act/Decree.


TTIO wrote:That's rather dumb...

I'm glad there aren't any laws against that sort of thing in the UK.

Well the mother country might still have a clue (though one could conceivably run afoul of the Obscene Publications Act), but as for the colonies...

Canada, Australia, New Zealand (along with Ireland, South Africa, Norway and Sweden) all consider some or all visual arts that show children engaged in sexual conduct or situations to be child pornography and that possession of such material can be grounds for criminal indictment.

So America is actually not only not alone, but in some cases we're more lenient then other countries. Australia and Canada, for example, have much tougher statutes and have tried, convicted and jailed people for having these types of material in their possession.
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Re: 20 Years in Prison for Buying a Manga

Post by TTIO on Tue 16 Dec 2008 - 17:22

In response to that, see my previous post Razz

I know,it's just I was only talking about the UK at that point Razz

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Re: 20 Years in Prison for Buying a Manga

Post by Piero on Tue 16 Dec 2008 - 17:24

I think it's notable that in this case the charges are for possessing 'obscene' material. That is unfortunately something that is rather vague in definition.

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Re: 20 Years in Prison for Buying a Manga

Post by LoC978 on Tue 16 Dec 2008 - 17:26

our judicial system loves being vague.

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Post by Guest on Tue 16 Dec 2008 - 17:40

Well, yet another reason why I'd rather go to Japan than the US. I'm just going to say some stuff we all know and think, but it has to be said (yet again). It's not like he used real life models to draw the pictures, it's not like the man who had them did that kind of stuff to anyone. And he certainly didn't hurt anyone by having it. If a legal system serves, instead of to protect people from harm, to inflict harm upon people, there's something very wrong with it.

Just an idle thought, though. Who told the police about it? Or, if nobody did, then doesn't the police have better things to do? (like, i.e. imprison rapists, or molesters, to keep with the obscene theme)

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Post by LoC978 on Tue 16 Dec 2008 - 18:01

Bloedzuiger wrote:If a legal system serves, instead of to protect people from harm, to inflict harm upon people, there's something very wrong with it.
A-men, hallelujah and peanut butter. [/Dutch]

I've always been an advocate of the law only protecting people from other people. Ours acts too much like a stereotypical British nanny for my tastes.

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Re: 20 Years in Prison for Buying a Manga

Post by Sintendo on Tue 16 Dec 2008 - 18:57

Bloedzuiger wrote:
Just an idle thought, though. Who told the police about it? Or, if nobody did, then doesn't the police have better things to do? (like, i.e. imprison rapists, or molesters, to keep with the obscene theme)

As far as I know, the list of manga he bought was read by a postal worker, postal worker got all uppity about it and got a hold of a USPS search warrant, police came to his house, dude thought he did nothing wrong so he let them search, uppity police found manga and thought it was obscene and took him in.

Honestly, it's illegal and fucking insane to look at child pornography, but if it's drawn/animated/put together with clay models... whatever, is it really hurting anyone? That's what I want to know.

I really don't understand this fucking law. If it's fake... IT'S FAKE.
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Re: 20 Years in Prison for Buying a Manga

Post by Piero on Tue 16 Dec 2008 - 19:17

Dude, he's not even being charged under child porn laws... he's being charged under an obscenity law. You know, the one which is vaguely defined, but which essentially has "offensive to a large segment of mainstream society" as a major determining factor as to whether or not something qualifies as "obscene"?

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Post by rusty-spring on Tue 16 Dec 2008 - 19:31

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All joking aside, what a crazy case. Obscenity is highly subjective and in my opinion, nearly impossible to regulate. I know people who think bikinis are the devil's work, and others who think that monkeys humping and throwing poo at each other is hilarity.

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Post by LoC978 on Tue 16 Dec 2008 - 21:50

obscenely appropriate:
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Post by boomer_gonz on Tue 16 Dec 2008 - 22:04

Piero wrote:Dude, he's not even being charged under child porn laws... he's being charged under an obscenity law. You know, the one which is vaguely defined, but which essentially has "offensive to a large segment of mainstream society" as a major determining factor as to whether or not something qualifies as "obscene"?

Jesus H. Christ this damn thing has legal precedent all over it.

Larry Flint(remember him) was charged with obscenity laws and got sentenced to five years hard labor. The charge was later overturned in appeal, but this may be another such case. As a matter of fact, the CBLDF might want to give the man himself a call. He just might want a piece of this cake as well.

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Re: 20 Years in Prison for Buying a Manga

Post by Triela on Tue 16 Dec 2008 - 22:37

OH NO GUYS I'M GOING TO JAIL I HAVE 50 YAOI MANGA STASHED AWAY IN MY ROOM! AWESOME

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Post by tsundere9kagami2 on Tue 16 Dec 2008 - 22:46

i stick to my found truth

Its only ilegal if they find it.

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Post by Whatface on Tue 16 Dec 2008 - 22:55

Triela wrote:OH NO GUYS I'M GOING TO JAIL I HAVE 50 YAOI MANGA STASHED AWAY IN MY ROOM! AWESOME
OMG!!! Quickly, burn it!! Razz

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Post by Kiskaloo on Tue 16 Dec 2008 - 22:57

Triela wrote:OH NO GUYS I'M GOING TO JAIL I HAVE 50 YAOI MANGA STASHED AWAY IN MY ROOM! AWESOME

I'd offer to hide it for ya, but... Wink gay
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Post by Awinnell on Wed 17 Dec 2008 - 7:17

i guess that the fact the postal worker knew what the mangas are about has slipped the polices attention,i know for a fact working for Royal Mail most of my colleauges would be none the wiser about it !

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Post by Guest on Sat 27 Dec 2008 - 14:55

If you ask me imo both the U.S and Japan have had rather odd obscenity laws throughout history. Afaik actual child pornography was not outlawed in Japan till 1998, this late was due to some weird loopholes in their pornography laws that banned pubic hair only or something like that.

Lolicon is a slightly similar case, it is at the end of the day just a drawing on a paper. Child pornography legislation is out there for a reason, to protect children. And giving a man 20 years in jail for buying a comicbook is just wrong. Is he a registerd sex offender? Then revoke his parole or whatnot, or sentence him house arrest.

20 years is a hefy chunk of someones lifetime, that could be used for so much more then tax funded jailtime.

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