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Post by Nachtsider on Sat 23 Feb 2008 - 0:17

They probably just want to see her in a swimsuit.

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Post by West Nile on Sat 23 Feb 2008 - 1:04

nah i just won't mind if someone would kill her off

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Post by LoC978 on Sat 23 Feb 2008 - 1:20

@West Nile wrote:but chances are Triela's guns won't work in d first place. it's not like they have her guns specifically switched to water proof.

Petra in d tank! Petra in d tank! Petra in d tank!
@Nachtsider wrote:They probably just want to see her in a swimsuit.
see? ...it shall be far more than seeing. I'll play the part of the shark. Muh-m-muhahahaha!

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Post by West Nile on Sat 23 Feb 2008 - 1:42

unless fanserivice girls taste good i'd rather watch her get torn apart

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Post by Guest on Sat 23 Feb 2008 - 15:08

There is another weapon Triela could use to kill a shark when underwater: http://www.hkpro.com/peleven.htm which might be a little easier to swim with no?

What I might use if I had to kill a cyborg...

Well at range I'd brobably try this: http://www.hkpro.com/gmg.htm

Then if they got too close for that I'd use a one o' these: http://www.vincelewis.net/60magnum.html Smile Though I'd probably never be able to hold on to it...

And then if they still wern't dead then I'd be tempted to resort to this: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/57/Chieftain-1.jpg

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Post by ElfenMagix on Sat 23 Feb 2008 - 21:31

How much of their cybornetics contains iron/steel/other metals attracted to magnets? Why?

Think: Large junkyard magnet crane modified with a bit more juice!

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Post by Wileama on Sat 23 Feb 2008 - 21:39

Yeah, but what are the chances Triela is carrying a super rare weapon, just in case she falls into the water?

Personal I would stick to an auto-shotgun with slugs for close in

Also carbon fiber doesn't magnetize easily.

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Post by ElfenMagix on Sat 23 Feb 2008 - 22:59

I'm thinking that the joints would have to be metalic. Carbon fiber against carbon fiber would not fair well in wear and tear.

Anyways, nice way to disarm them...

And any evil villian worth his genius would know how to add and power an MRI Magnetic Ring to one of those cranes!

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Post by Wileama on Sat 23 Feb 2008 - 23:16

You could always have another type of plastic for the joint. Yeah it would be useful. I can imagine more useful booby traps though.

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Post by West Nile on Sun 24 Feb 2008 - 4:14

not pretty sure about the metal. like what was said earlier the only moment when the girls passed a metal detector was when Triela was in the airport in episode 4, and even then it was left ambiguous whether she just skipped it or if she went through

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Post by Nachtsider on Sun 24 Feb 2008 - 4:24

She probably skipped it after Hillshire explained who they were to the airport authorities. If she'd gone through the detector, it would have picked up her guns and attracted attention - not good for an undercover operative.

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Post by West Nile on Sun 24 Feb 2008 - 4:28

How about she went through it without the gun, then the detector picked her up, then Hillshire flashed his badge and meant "she's non of your business" so there is metal in the girls

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Post by Nachtsider on Sun 24 Feb 2008 - 4:35

Also plausible, but I don't think Hillshire and Triela would have walked through the detector. It's an easy bet that wasn't the first time they went to an airport.

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Post by Wileama on Sun 24 Feb 2008 - 10:23

Even if it was, they would have know their copious guns/bullets would have set off the detector. Besides it's more the X-ray machine that concerns them. If you see a teenaged girl carrying a shotgun in her luggage, your pretty much going to assume that badge is fake. At which point it becomes a real pain in the ass.

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Post by Nachtsider on Sun 24 Feb 2008 - 12:48

Personally, I think the airport security higher-ups are in cahoots with the Agency, and tell their staff to let fratello teams pass through unchecked upon being shown relevant identification.

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Post by Danjo3 on Sun 24 Feb 2008 - 13:42

@Nachtsider wrote:Personally, I think the airport security higher-ups are in cahoots with the Agency, and tell their staff to let fratello teams pass through unchecked upon being shown relevant identification.
Thatís the way I believe it works too. Their travel arrangements are made in advance and they simply skip security and go straight on to the plane. Why would the Agency try to sneak though? Theyíre the Government. I doubt that CIA or FBI agents have to sneak on to flights.

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Post by Sheo Darren on Mon 25 Feb 2008 - 6:29

Use a bang stick.

Basically a hollow metal stick with a 12-gauge shotgun round at the tip. The simplest things work best.

Divers shove the stick's business end into a shark's head and pull at the line on the end they're holding.

BOOM

And now we can have sharksfin soup- oh, wait, it's a tiger shark. Bleh. Doesn't taste good. Now, if it was a oceanic whitetip...
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Post by West Nile on Mon 25 Feb 2008 - 7:41

then let's throw a monkey wrench into the equation. Gunslinger Girl vs Armor plated tiger shark!

actually we've been holding back on using the great white, come to think of it Gunslinger Girl vs. great White could be summarized like this:

Girl thrashing in the water
*huge splash*
great white shooting out of the water with girl in mouth.
fall back in the water.
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Post by Sheo Darren on Mon 25 Feb 2008 - 7:51

then let's throw a monkey wrench into the equation. Gunslinger Girl vs Armor plated tiger shark!

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actually we've been holding back on using the great white

It's just too big. Plus, it lives in the deep part of the ocean. (Usually.)

The tiger will suffice for baddies, since it likes to go into shallower water and is way more aggressive.
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Post by West Nile on Mon 25 Feb 2008 - 7:59

you can always desine a shark armor right?

we have villains who have islands of their own and etc, why not a tank big enough to keep a great white

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Post by Nachtsider on Mon 25 Feb 2008 - 8:06

Oh, dear - looks like we all took a detour into one of those James Bond movies.

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Post by Danjo3 on Mon 25 Feb 2008 - 10:05

@West Nile wrote:Gunslinger Girl vs Armor plated tiger shark!

As long as it has a laser on it's head.

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Post by LoC978 on Mon 25 Feb 2008 - 10:09

and as long as she has some dental floss so she can get away.

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Re: My idea ; How to kill a cyborg...

Post by Guest on Tue 26 Feb 2008 - 2:59

If the shark actually manged to swallow Triela, the shark's dead. Triela can easily shoot that pistol up into its brains, or worse. Then she's covered in blood in the tank of the other 24 hungry sharks...

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Post by Tommygunner70 on Tue 26 Feb 2008 - 7:31

@Danjo3 wrote:

Oh god Doctor Evil...

Have you seen Mike Myers as GoldMember?
With his imitation of a Dutch accent?

doesn't even cut close! his fashion of talking would insult a Dutch guy.

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Post by Wileama on Sun 2 Mar 2008 - 17:22

Moving this debate to another thread. Hopefully the Admins move the appropriate posts soon.

@Piero wrote:Hmmm... finding precise prices on specific models of armoured Mercedes isn't overly easy, but I may have really underestimated them. Apparently an armoured E Class can cost up to $250,000 (not including a so called 'AMG upgrade,' whatever that is), which is way more then an ordinary E Class. Of course, that price was contained in an answer that was given in response to a question about vehicles with a level six (presumably B6, which can take non AP 7.62x51mm) protection level rather then the B4 level of protection I'd read about on the factory armoured cars (which can take a .44 magnum round), so perhaps they were either a higher end model or a an aftermarket modification. Although the way it was phrased didn't seem to rule out the idea of it being an E Class with factory installed B4 protection entirely.

We've seen some of the handlers driving very nice cars, but most of them didn't look like the cost the equivalent of a quarter of a million dollars. (BTW, isn't Jose's car a Porsche Boxster? They're pricey, but far less so then a recent Ferrari would generally be.)

Okay the good armored cars are all custom made from my understanding. There just isn't enough demand for that level of protection to be able to run a factory. So considering the level of rebuilding you see being done to these cars, a quarter million sounds spot on. I'm sure the SWA has some armored cars. However for the cost, you don't hand them out to every fratello. You set them aside for VIPs, and people like Lorenzo. It just doesn't provide enough of a return on your money to provide that level of protection to a fratello unless there is some indication that they are at that level of risk.

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Post by Piero on Mon 3 Mar 2008 - 0:42

Guess I'm continuing from the other thread here...

Mercedes actually does make armoured cars with a very high level of protection. However, I was under the impression that that was for their flagship S Class, and that the lower end E Class was only available from the factory with level B4 (.44 Magnum) protection. Incidentally, these cars are built at a specific high security plant, so its not the usual assembly lines, though the cars are based on standard models. Mercedes claims its better to integrate the protection during construction then it is to retrofit it later.

I'd still like to know about how much the B4 E Classes cost. I had at one time considered one as a potential vehicle for my OC fratello pair (Piero strikes me as the type who likes to be ready) and finding out the GIS does... unconventional... driving training kind of reinforced the view that a discretely armoured vehicle would be a good thing to have. (The extra weight should help if you want to use your vehicle's weight as a weapon against a smaller vehicle that you're trying to get to stop. Very Happy )

But even the B4 models are probably expensive, and I suppose given the number of assault rifles Padania seems to have they might be rather lacking...

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Post by West Nile on Mon 3 Mar 2008 - 5:08

Very Happy no more dead girls on the save the girls thread

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Post by Guest on Mon 3 Mar 2008 - 15:00

Friggin' tiger sharks. Garbage cans of the ocean, they are. Give me a hammerhead any day. Ave Sphyrna! Razz

...Uhm, anyway. In terms of killing a cyborg...I noticed that a high-power sniper rifle has yet to be mentioned. Like, say, the Barrett M107/M82.

This...it's propelling rounds normally used in a heavy machine gun to enormous velocities. The shockwaves produced by the bullet can pulp people who are too close.

So if you really wanted to get rid of...damn it, I have to say Petra or a second-generation, I can't hurt any of the prototypes. D: But yes. .50 BMG round hits you at several-hundred-miles-an-hour velocities, I don't care if your skull is made of awesome, Petra, it's gone now.

Also, Alessandro is pulped by the shockwave! EVERYONE WINS! XD

...I would also like to note that the image of Triela just shutting up Hillshire mid-rant by petting him is hilarious. He starts to say the words "increase" and "conditioning" and she all just absently goes all *pet pet* "Mmm-hmm."

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Post by Nachtsider on Mon 3 Mar 2008 - 15:18

The 'Baby Barrett' is an awesome weapon, Alpha - I myself doubt any second-generation cyborg would survive a well-aimed hit from one. Where it comes to taking down a first-stage cyborg, I still say a DENEL PAW-20 would do the trick just nicely.

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Post by Guest on Mon 3 Mar 2008 - 15:31

The PAW-20 does indeed = win. Very Happy

Hmm. Well so far the evil plan looks like this, gentlemen:

-Snipe Petra and other potentially competent second-stage cyborgs with Barretts, preferably near their handlers
-Let Nachtsider GO BUCK WILD with grenades on the first-stages we never see
-Insertion team guns down Section I and II staff

-Place Henrietta, Rico, Triela, and Claes in an easily escapable deathtrap with a single inept guard: platform that slides into the fire pit has never failed before
-Explain larger evil scheme to Hillshire/Giuseppe

...I want to say it's foolproof, but I can't help but feel like I'm overlooking something... Puzzled

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Post by Nachtsider on Mon 3 Mar 2008 - 15:34

What you're overlooking, Alpha, is that any evil genius worth his salt does not use deathtraps when bullets will do just fine....

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Post by Guest on Mon 3 Mar 2008 - 15:36

It's attitudes like that which are ruining modern-day villainy! No respect for tradition! A man can't even monologue to his captives anymore! Why in my day...

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Post by Wileama on Mon 3 Mar 2008 - 17:22

I learned everything I need to know about being an evil overlord from the Evil Overlord List.

Did you know the .50 BMG was originally designed as an anti-armor round? In world war one, you could actually use a weapon that fired it against tanks, and it would be fairly effective. So I don't see a cyborg, of any gen, getting back up if you use a round like that. Even if they don't die, their injures will suggest they stay on the ground, and bleed some more. Also a hollow point version would be 'interesting.' Chest cavities would never be the same.

@Piero wrote:Mercedes claims its better to integrate the protection during construction then it is to retrofit it later.
I don't know that I buy that. Still it's interesting to hear that Mercedes turns out armored cars.

@Piero wrote:But even the B4 models are probably expensive, and I suppose given the number of assault rifles Padania seems to have they might be rather lacking...
Exactly. Besides repair costs would be much higher. That and the gas milage would take a hit. Which to be fair isn't much of a concern when someone is shooting at you...

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Post by Nachtsider on Mon 3 Mar 2008 - 17:26

@Wileama wrote:In world war one, you could actually use a weapon that fired it against tanks, and it would be fairly effective.

No surprise there, Wil - First World War tanks were abysimaly armored.

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Post by Tommygunner70 on Mon 3 Mar 2008 - 19:34

Ok, now that "L + mao = LMAO" is getting old Nacht.

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Alright, alright - I'll stop.

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Post by Guest on Mon 3 Mar 2008 - 21:12

@ Alpha,
I actually overused the .50 caliber round quite frequently. G.D. Wallez (a 3rd Generation cyborg) was actually almost taken down by a .45 mag.

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The guy was a cyborg?!

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Post by Guest on Mon 3 Mar 2008 - 22:28

@Nachtsider wrote:The guy was a cyborg?!
Oh yes. Like Amalgam, G.D. Wallez researched the cyborg technology, and developed implants for himself. Of course, not before he hired willing and personally trusted test subjects.

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Post by Nachtsider on Mon 3 Mar 2008 - 22:36

And I thought I had seen it all...

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Post by West Nile on Mon 3 Mar 2008 - 23:28

Spoiler:
in chap 53: Triela nearly get's beaten by a pair of thugs, just becasue she had been skipping on her conditioning.

how long do u think the girls can go without the condtioning. it seems that they are defenseless without it.

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Post by Nachtsider on Mon 3 Mar 2008 - 23:34

That's what I'd been trying to point out in your 'Save the Girls' thread, Nile.

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well i had no idea that dey had to be soooo religious on der intake of d stuff

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Post by Guest on Tue 4 Mar 2008 - 7:38

...which would really mean that the best way to save the young ladies would be to get a bunch of chemists/biophysicists working on duplicating the positive effects of the conditioning drug (mind control still included cause that's how the SWA rolls) while not propagating the memory loss and other side effects we saw in Ange. ...well, and installing/lengthening the myomers and whatnot to give a simulation of growth, perhaps. Reminds me of a sketch someone did of a teenage Henrietta. She's still adorable.

...alternatively, and on topic, you could probably at least weaken the cyborgs to your thugs' level by embargoing the drug/its composite ingredients from ever getting into Italy.

Finally...er, I should note that with .50 caliber weapons vs. cyborgs, it'd be less about the round itself and more about how you use it-- a Raging Bull, aside from being Goddamn hard to line up on them because they're fast like freaks, is not going to do as much to one of them as is the Baby Barrett. Why? Because, simply put, it's about velocity, as well as caliber. Razz Giant handguns are going to still run into the armored skin to a degree, and they're unwieldy.

...though that leads me to wonder if, say, "truck" can defeat cyborg. Sorry. I ramble.

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Post by Nachtsider on Tue 4 Mar 2008 - 7:53

The thing about growth is that it runs contrary to the concept of using kids as killers - a tweenie-bopper doesn't pique any kind of suspicion. But if you're talking about inducing growth once they've been saved and withdrawn from service, that should be fine. You'll have to stimulate more than just the muscle fibers, though - the lynchpin of growth is the lengthening of bone.

Rico got hit by a car once, but it didn't seem to hurt her much. Don't know about an eighteen-wheeler, though. Or a train.

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@Nachtsider wrote:
Rico got hit by a car once, but it didn't seem to hurt her much. Don't know about an eighteen-wheeler, though. Or a train.

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Post by West Nile on Tue 4 Mar 2008 - 8:03

o i remember that... but she wasn't caught on the bumper she didn't necessarily get hit.... yes a little injury from the windshield but her quick reaction saved her from the main hit.

speaking about cars... how do you think Angie survived being hit by a car bent on killling her?

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I think that the 'accident' left Angie fatally wounded, and only though the cyber implants and stuff was she able to return from the dead. In effect, the prosthetics were her life-support system - pretty much like how Darth Vader's armor kept him alive after those horrific wounds he suffered during that fight with Obi-Wan.

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Post by West Nile on Tue 4 Mar 2008 - 8:09

Well then... back on killing the girls. i think if the car hit Rico when she wasn't expecting it, and if it run her over, it would have killed her.

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Post by Guest on Tue 4 Mar 2008 - 8:18

@Nachtsider wrote:I think that the 'accident' left Angie fatally wounded, and only though the cyber implants and stuff was she able to return from the dead. In effect, the prosthetics were her life-support system - pretty much like how Darth Vader's armor kept him alive after those horrific wounds he suffered during that fight with Obi-Wan.

Potentially more so than any of the other girls, which would explain (to a degree), along with her general 'being a prototype' why her armored skin does not seem to work as well as, well, Rico's. Damn, I'd forgotten the car, but...yeah, looks like train or Enormous Effing Truck would be a better idea for vehicular attacks.

...though with the second-stagers, I seem to remember something about not being as well-armored. Hmm. >:D!

...er...I should probably move to 'saving' thread with said query, but them being cyborgs and all, is there anything that mandates needing them to grow? I mean, if they could keep them alive and conditioned (I don't think Italy's using its money for much else, considering what these girls have in them already! XD), they could theoretically be pseudo-immortal children. X_x;

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Post by Nachtsider on Tue 4 Mar 2008 - 9:14

I've long championed the concept that they indeed have been mutilated into permanent children from the very outset of their roboticization, Alpha. As I've mentioned umpteen times, their youth is the perfect cover for conducting blackops, and physical growth hence serves no practical purpose. 'Sides, can you really expect people to believe that a child who's eighty percent artificial can physically mature?

Which leads us to the curious phenomenon of Triela being a fifteen-year-old trapped in a thirteen-year-old's body, and the like. And also Angelica being the physically youngest of the cyborgs, despite having been there the longest.

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Post by LoC978 on Tue 4 Mar 2008 - 9:44

Xenomorph Alpha wrote:Finally...er, I should note that with .50 caliber weapons vs. cyborgs, it'd be less about the round itself and more about how you use it-- a Raging Bull, aside from being Goddamn hard to line up on them because they're fast like freaks, is not going to do as much to one of them as is the Baby Barrett. Why? Because, simply put, it's about velocity, as well as caliber. Giant handguns are going to still run into the armored skin to a degree, and they're unwieldy.
true, a .50AE (fired from a 6.5" barrel) has nowhere near the destructive capabilities of a .50BMG (fired from a 29.5" barrel)... those are two very different rounds, btw. Not all 50cals are created equal. However, I really don't think the girls could handle being hit with a .50AE... They might live, but it would do some damage.
speaking from practical experience: my shooting buddies and I were once firing at an empty propane tank made of 1/8" steel (we were bored of normal targets). My .40S&W (CZ-75) made a small dent, perhaps 3" wide, 1/4" deep. My brother's .45ACP (Springfield XD) made a small hole, perhaps 3/4" wide, with a 6" dent (and stayed inside the tank). My friend's .50AE (Desert Eagle) BLEW A FUCKING 6"+ HOLE UPON ENTRY... and a 3 or 4" hole for an exit. the damn thing practically crumpled.
I shudder to think what one of those monsters would do to one of the girls...

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Post by LoC978 on Tue 4 Mar 2008 - 10:30

it's not letting me edit my post anymore for some reason.. Hissy fit

Here's another .50cal handgun cartridge, one that would do even more damage.

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Post by Wileama on Tue 4 Mar 2008 - 12:27

Oh this thread is my kind of thread. Is everyone ready for the massive posts that covers like ten different things? I am. Very Happy

@West Nile wrote:Star Wars flashback:
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Anakin: For old times sake can't you at least finish me off quickly? I'm in a lot of pain, and will probably die anyway. Um, where are you going?

@LoC978 wrote:Not all 50cals are created equal.
Oh I'm all over it. Physics to the rescue!

Xenomorph Alpha wrote:Because, simply put, it's about velocity, as well as caliber.
Ah the K = 1/2(M*V^2) argument. You are correct the V is squared. I haven't looked at the KE of any of these various rounds lets do that first, and fore most. Wikipedia's numbers are in a sweet spot of ease, and reliability so I'm using them. A quick look at the math confirms the numbers, assuming the test data is reliable. There is a range, because you can get different rounds of the same size.

Pistol Rounds: Rifle Rounds:Here's the first think you have to understand: all of these rounds are burning a different amounts of powder. That means they had different amounts of potential energy. Typically larger rounds have more room for powder, thus more potential energy. I mean just look at the difference between the .50 AE, and the .50 BMG it's like 14,000-19,000 J! If they where all burning the same amount of powder, it's true you might want to go with the smaller round. However smaller faster rounds, vs larger slower rounds still might not win out. That round still has to transfer it's energy to the target it hits. A larger round that moves more slowly is more likely to transfer more of the energy then it's smaller faster round.

It is true what weapon you fire it out of will also make a difference. A short barrel means less time for gas pressure to be converted into kinetic energy. However when comparing some of these rounds, even the right round out of the wrong weapon will do the job. I mean just look at what a monster the .50 BMG is to all these other rounds.

@LoC978 wrote:However, I really don't think the girls could handle being hit with a .50AE... They might live, but it would do some damage.
According to the numbers, I would take the assault rifle over the .50 AE. As my back up weapon yeah, the that's a good round to be carrying. Maybe not the best due to handling, and ammo, but not bad by any means. Now then I don't think the .50 AE to the arm is going to worry the girls to much. To the chest, you'll probably slow her, but not kill. I stand by my opinion that the cyborgs aren't so much armored as they have highly resilient components. The question is, just how much energy do you think the skull, can take. It's natural slope makes it just a naturally good armored structure. However it's right on the edge, I could go either way.

@Nachtsider wrote:Rico got hit by a car once, but it didn't seem to hurt her much. Don't know about an eighteen-wheeler, though. Or a train.
Rico seemed to do a good job of rolling with the car, and not being plastered by the bumper. Thus reducing the amount of energy transfered into her body, and thus reducing the 'ouch' factor. I think if she hadn't done that she would have died. Or at the very least been layed up for a while, as most major components of her body was replaced. Eighteen-wheeler, aught to be traveling about the same speed as a car. So it's going to have way more energy to transfer. It will kill. The train aught to be superior to both in terms of mass, and velocity. Again it will kill. Assuming of course they aren't going terribly slow, just barely clips the cyborg in question.

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Post by Guest on Tue 4 Mar 2008 - 16:01

Ah, the train. Poor Henrietta. That's how G.D. Wallez did it when fighting for his life (he and his cyborg and other mutant bodyguard).

Well, anyway, I highly doubt that the girls would only sustain some damage from a .45 magnum, much more a .50 AE or .50 BMG round. You're talking about rounds that can blow your head apart like a water baloon. If one of the girls were hit in the arm (say, by chance the elbow) by a .50 AE round (or larger), it wouldn't absorb the hit and she would take a wound... half her arm would be flying through the air, that or her elbow would simply explode. A hit in the chest would rip her apart; she'd be lucky to be alive.

I stand by my opinion that the cyborgs aren't so much armored as they have highly resilient components.
The girl's bones have been reinforced (or replaced by bones reinforced) with carbon fibers. I can imagine that their skin can similiarly be protected, before heating the carbon fibers solid and immobile, its a decently flexible material.

So if carbon fiber reinforcement is your idea of highly resilient components vs armored, then there you go.
... What's the difference?
Personally, if you ask me, depending on which part of the body you're talking about. Area around the ribcage I believe is pretty-well armored, but areas like the soft underbelly (where Angelica was shot and Claes was stabbed, both bleeding pretty bad) A hard-as-thin-steel skin grafting, mixed with a reinforced harder-than-steel bone material, bullets will have a hard time tumbling and doing damage as they are stopped when they hit these areas. Other places, where the bone "armor" is not present, damage can be worse.

When you have bullet rounds that would say, "Steel? Oh, you mean that shiny papery stuff?" if they could speak, the bullet is going straight through, though slowed, when it hits the cyborg. Russian 7.62mm rounds seem to have some penatration with a little luck. Also, rattling away at full-auto, its hard to hit straight with that round.

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@LoC978 wrote:true, a .50AE (fired from a 6.5" barrel) has nowhere near the destructive capabilities of a .50BMG (fired from a 29.5" barrel)... those are two very different rounds, btw. Not all 50cals are created equal. However, I really don't think the girls could handle being hit with a .50AE... They might live, but it would do some damage.
speaking from practical experience: my shooting buddies and I were once firing at an empty propane tank made of 1/8" steel (we were bored of normal targets). My .40S&W (CZ-75) made a small dent, perhaps 3" wide, 1/4" deep. My brother's .45ACP (Springfield XD) made a small hole, perhaps 3/4" wide, with a 6" dent (and stayed inside the tank). My friend's .50AE (Desert Eagle) BLEW A FUCKING 6"+ HOLE UPON ENTRY... and a 3 or 4" hole for an exit. the damn thing practically crumpled.
I shudder to think what one of those monsters would do to one of the girls...

...I knew I was missing something. Thank you. Yes. That was the other thing, is the difference between the .50AE and the .50BMG being tremendous...I don't know why I didn't just look that up. sweat One is an SUV, the other is a Goddamn freight train.

...Also thank you Wileama for the potential energy numbers. O_O ...holy...the .50BMG is insane. No wonder that round is so effin' enormous. Which makes the fact that the M107 accelerates it to race-car speeds that much more terrifying. The SWA needs to make sure that people don't bring those anywhere within a 4km radius of their headquarters unless it belongs to Rico, and even THEN.

I'm going to go with LoC/Wil on the whole "would the .50AE kill them outright"-- no. You'd have done a lot of damage, but...*shoots random second-stager*

Second-Stager: GAAAAGHH!

Given that the cyborgs' skin seems hard enough to make 9mm and 5.7x28mm rounds just stop/not matter, you probably haven't killed them yet. Disabled, if you're very lucky. But if they're cool enough they'll kill you, and then die a sad hospital death later. Her handler will cry. It'll be very sad.

Whereas...well we all agree on this point, but it's funny anyhow. *shoots Petra with the M107* ...wow, it's raining Petra-bits! XD

Alessandro: NOOOOOOO! My sweet little piece of--

GAH! *shoots him too, to canned laughter and applause*

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