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Post by Robert Frazer on Thu 5 Mar 2009 - 22:24

Petrushka's introduction to the manga didn't just provide us with a new fratello, it also gave us an opportunity to indulge in a spot of worldbuilding. The course of Elizabeta's rescue and conversion established some of the actual mechanics of business at the Social Welfare Agency; it also fleshed out the boffins at the Technology Development Department, who previously had had only had bit-parts, despite them being the ones who make the cyborg magic happen in the first place and who oversee the regular testing and service that Claes and the other cyborgs undergo.

One of the TDD's scientists that we meet in Chapter 30 is Louis Duvalier, who has responsibility for the cyborgs' appearances. He's an undoubted technical wizard, and like all magicians he has beautiful assistants. I'm bringing up these two here because they're a peculiar pair - they're physically identical, both in appearance and dress, and they copy each other's movement and play off each other's speech and finish each other's sentences in a way which suggests an especially close harmony,if not a sharing of the very same thought process. They're not just there to be decorative, either - evidently they have some responsibility in the conversion process, as Duvalier instructs them to "put some real work into her body design". Their faces also are not too far removed from Petrushka's own, suggesting that they provided the base model for Elizabeta's redesign, or that these assistants have actually undergone some modification themselves; when Louis asks Alessandro to list his physical preferences for Petrushka, he comments that "if you don't put something, I'm making her into my first love". Are the assistants replicas of that too?

The only subsequent appearance of the assistants that I'm aware of is a quick two-panel glimpse in Chapter 32 (when Alessandro is talking about Petrushka's conditioning to one of the scientists after her vomiting episode), so my curiosity is piqued. There's an odd confusion of detail surrounding these two and what we see of them tugs in different directions. Do they grace the pages again after Vol. 6, and is there any further indication of what exactly they are - former test subjects, or just close twins (or who lnows, maybe even an outside chance of their being robots sweat )?

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Post by Kiskaloo on Thu 5 Mar 2009 - 22:40

Common belief amongst many of us are his "assistants" are figments of his imagination that he "talks" with to pass the time while he is working.

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Post by ElfenMagix on Thu 5 Mar 2009 - 23:05

Louis Duvalier (may) have been around for a long while not never seen until recently, and not throughly used in this aspect until now. Yeah- he maybe responsible for etching a human face on a cyborg skull, but all the past Type 1 girls are seen as unchanged (or changed very little) in their appearences from their before and after shots.

As for his assistants...
Many of us are in the mind set that they are figments of his imagination or fragments of a split personsa. At worst- Shoulder Angels. Most Geniuses are flawed in that their talents shines to cover a very hidden thing.

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Post by Nachtsider on Fri 6 Mar 2009 - 1:59

I say they exist in his mind only, i.e. imaginary girlfriends. Note that nowhere in the story have we seen his assistants interact with anybody besides himself. Thus far, at least.

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Post by Danjo3 on Fri 6 Mar 2009 - 3:39

Whatever they turn out to be, they sure are creepy. (not physically mind you Wink)

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Post by Robert Frazer on Fri 6 Mar 2009 - 17:26

The apparition angle honestly didn't even occur to me...! Looking back on it, I can see where it comes from, and it's an appealing idea from a purely characterful and dramatic standpoint... but I don't think that it's conclusive. For instance, when the assistants first appear they're preceded by a panel showing two empty desks. Maybe Duvalier's alone in the office - or maybe his assistants got up and went over to him. Although the assistants don't appear when Duvalier is speaking to the other boffins the next night, maybe it's because they simply went home to sleep!

There's also the fact that the assistants don't just loom over Duvalier's shoulders, but are seen to be interacting with the environment - whether it's just holding up papers when talking to Duvalier or one of them sitting down and working at a keyboard when they appear in the background during Alessandro's telephone conversation with Belessario. I'm not confident that they're Duvalier's personal imps if they're not dismissed by the presence of someone else in the same room!

Having the assistants be just figments of Duvalier's imagination is an attractive idea, but in objective evaluation I wonder if the idea just comes from looking too hard for patterns. I think that they're genuine people.


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Post by Kiskaloo on Fri 6 Mar 2009 - 17:30

As with so many things in GSG, we just only get the barest hint of things which is not enough to really make any firm comments on.

Of course, if we'd just enjoy the story like we're supposed to, and not try and analyze it to the Nth degree... Razz

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Post by tsundere9kagami2 on Fri 6 Mar 2009 - 19:35

hes crazy!!! and thats why they let him work there Razz
or they could be identicl twins who work next office over

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Post by ElfenMagix on Fri 6 Mar 2009 - 21:00

Think... HOW MANY LAB ASSISTANTS WORK IN THEIR SKIMPY LINGRIE NIGHT GOWNS?!!

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Post by Robert Frazer on Fri 6 Mar 2009 - 21:06

None, ElfinMagix, because neither do these two! :p

Admittedly I'm no fashionista, but they just looked like ordinary clothes to me - they're even wearing heeled sandals, not slippers. Also, I don't know any girls who go to bed with all of their jewellery clanking off their wrists...!

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Post by tsundere9kagami2 on Fri 6 Mar 2009 - 21:17

I can name a few

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Post by Guest on Fri 6 Mar 2009 - 21:33

I've always wondered about them. When I first read Volume Six, I didn't consider that they were figments of Duvalier's imagination. I guess I don't pick up on things like that very easily.

I kind of hope that they are real, though - they seem like they could be the Priscillas of S2. Very Happy

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Post by ElfenMagix on Fri 6 Mar 2009 - 21:52

@tsundere9kagami2 wrote:I can name a few
same here

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Post by Nachtsider on Fri 6 Mar 2009 - 22:44

It'd be disappointing if they were real, I say. 'Cause they'd lend this hokey air to the SWA that would totally ruin all the series' serious/tragic atmosphere.

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Post by ElfenMagix on Fri 6 Mar 2009 - 23:57

Louis Duvalier seems to be the type that plays with himself too damn much, and they seem to be the kind that he faps too...

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Post by Danjo3 on Sat 7 Mar 2009 - 12:08

Duvalier spanking it to the Doublemint twins, huh? I think Yu needs to work that into vol.11 somewhere.

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Post by ElfenMagix on Sat 7 Mar 2009 - 12:17

AWESOME :lol!: Evil

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Post by Ghostfriendly on Mon 16 Mar 2009 - 19:54

I assumed the twins were a rather unusual addition to the SWA staff. They don't seem hokey so much as a little unsettling and weird, like characters from a circus.
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Post by maverick375 on Thu 26 Mar 2009 - 20:20

They're likely real, and as mentioned earlier, geniuses are often strange and tend to collect a motley crew around them. Louis is gifted. So is almost everyone else in the tech department. And like the rest of the SWA, they are people that were elsewhere, but didn't fit in for one reason or another, so they ended up in the Agency.

Now, I don't know about you guys, but how many serious doctors have you ever seen or known, that are giftedly skilled in plastic surgery? All I've ever known or seen have been quirky and eccentric in their own ways.

The Twins are likely such a pair of individuals. Their skills are incredible, but they just aren't the serious type. Their skills outweigh their quirks, so the agency uses them.
When you're a secret government agency, you can't balk at who you pick, you just get the best you can and then silence them with the threat of death.


As an addendum, you guys really need to relax and enjoy the story a bit more. You're starting to sound like those Star Wars nuts that insist on every pictured and mentioned droid having their own forty volume back-story.


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Post by Kiskaloo on Thu 26 Mar 2009 - 20:23

I suppose they could be real. Honestly, it doesn't really matter to the story. Smile

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Post by Nachtsider on Thu 26 Mar 2009 - 20:29

@maverick375 wrote:As an addendum, you guys really need to relax and enjoy the story a bit more. You're starting to sound like those Star Wars nuts that insist on every pictured and mentioned droid having their own forty volume back-story.
To us, this is part of the enjoyment.

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Post by tsundere9kagami2 on Thu 26 Mar 2009 - 20:36

come on guys When Yu finally draws some older women you think theyre fake but when he draws Cyborg Lolis They are the realist things eva?!

........lol I just thought of them standing in a hall saying "come play with us!"

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Post by ElfenMagix on Thu 26 Mar 2009 - 20:55

V6/CH32/P159 has 2 small framed in pics of them listening in to Dr. Belaruso's conversation about Petra's conditioning with 'Sandro.

This either adds up to Duvalier having an over active and vivid imagination or they are real people. I say its the former and not the latter. Evil

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Post by Nachtsider on Thu 26 Mar 2009 - 21:03

@tsundere9kagami2 wrote:come on guys When Yu finally draws some older women you think theyre fake but when he draws Cyborg Lolis They are the realist things eva?!
Pris and Olga have been around since Season One. And we haven't dismissed them as fake, because there's plenty of indications that they are real. They interact with and are interacted with by plenty of other characters both physically and verbally, for instance. The twins fail to meet this criteria.

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Post by Danjo3 on Fri 27 Mar 2009 - 1:35

@Nachtsider wrote:
@maverick375 wrote:As an addendum, you guys really need to relax and enjoy the story a bit more. You're starting to sound like those Star Wars nuts that insist on every pictured and mentioned droid having their own forty volume back-story.
To us, this is part of the enjoyment.
And a great source of new GSG conversation - something were always looking for.

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Post by Ghostfriendly on Sat 28 Mar 2009 - 6:09

@Nachtsider wrote:
@tsundere9kagami2 wrote:come on guys When Yu finally draws some older women you think theyre fake but when he draws Cyborg Lolis They are the realist things eva?!
Pris and Olga have been around since Season One. And we haven't dismissed them as fake, because there's plenty of indications that they are real. They interact with and are interacted with by plenty of other characters both physically and verbally, for instance. The twins fail to meet this criteria.

After Jean's Erica hallucintions nobody is safe. Maybe Pino was a contagious delusion manifested from Christiano's subconcious need for a protege, Franco and Franca's frustrated desire for a child, and Triela's fear of failure...I'd say it was like Fight club if it wasn't more like Palmer Eldrich.
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Post by Probit Return on Sat 28 Mar 2009 - 13:40

Well if you're going that far Ghost, why not just say Pino was real-booted ala Chaos Head, since there were others who interacted with him. Of course, then that would make Christiano, Franco, Franca, and Triela all Gigalomaniacs, which makes me wonder where their Di Swords are.

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Post by ElfenMagix on Sat 28 Mar 2009 - 17:59

This gives new meaning to Mass Hysteria!

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Jean had been drinking.

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Post by LoC978 on Mon 30 Mar 2009 - 1:13

Maybe Duvalier is consistently drunk at work...

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Post by ElfenMagix on Mon 30 Mar 2009 - 21:54

I can see that happening.
I have known drunks at work in many jobs, and they cant function when they are sober!

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