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Post by emperor on Mon 11 May 2009 - 3:46

That Dragunov is too old enough for the mission.

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Post by Nachtsider on Mon 11 May 2009 - 4:11

AWP = horrendously over-rated.

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Post by boomer_gonz on Mon 11 May 2009 - 5:36

The AI AWP over the SVD...I'm going to have to agree with Nacht on this one.

My first problem with the AWP is that it's a bolt-action rifle. The reliability of the SVD chamber has proven itself over and over again in conflicts ranging from the Afghan War to the current Ossetian and Checchan uprisings. Bolt-Action will specialize Rico's role where it is unnecessary as she can easily attach a bayonet to her Dragunov and take position in an assault squad if necessary.

My next problem with the AWP is it's weight. The SVD in it's heaviest variant is just a hair above 11 lbs. The AWP easily clears 12 lbs. in it's lightest. This added weight and size will almost definitely hinder Rico's tactical ability. I understand that the AWP is a sniper rifle and should be considered as such, but versatility is important to the SWA as seen time and time again throughout the canon and even amongst our OC's.

In the anime we've seen Triela use an automatic and Henrietta get behind the scope of a rifle. If Rico were to upgrade, it would only suit her in having more, not less, versatility.

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Post by Kiskaloo on Mon 11 May 2009 - 9:52

If Rico needs a better sniper weapon for a particular mission, the SWA already has the H&K PSG1, the Walther WA2000 and the Sako TRG-42 (at least) on the shelf.

But since Rico is more then just a sniper, the SVD offers her more overall capability while still being good enough for sniping at the ranges she usually works from (which are seldom over 200m or so).

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Post by Guest on Mon 11 May 2009 - 10:32

...Rico with a Mosin-Nagant looks cool I think

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Post by Piero on Wed 13 May 2009 - 2:01

The Accuracy International rifles like the Arctic Warfare Magnum are precision tools, and far superior to the Dragunov in that regard, but as noted they have some definite disadvantages compared to a Dragunov. They're a different sort of class of weapon really.

So perhaps the question should be -what weapons are comparable to Rico's Dragunov but might prove superior?

I can think of a few possibilities:

Newer Model Dragunov (Folding stock and shortened but heavier barrel.)

IMI Galatz

G3-SG/1

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Post by Awinnell on Wed 13 May 2009 - 8:52

Stoner SR-25

Caliber: 7.62x51mm NATO (.308)
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Post by Nachtsider on Wed 13 May 2009 - 8:58

My Meir uses an SR-25. I think it would be kinda nice for Rico to use that weapon, too, considering she's with him.

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Post by Tommygunner70 on Wed 13 May 2009 - 12:04

Nachtsider wrote:My Meir uses an SR-25. I think it would be kinda nice for Rico to use that weapon, too, considering she's with him.

How about a Tavor? Within 200 Meters, at single-shot the Tavor is accurate enough I believe.

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Post by Nachtsider on Wed 13 May 2009 - 12:10

Oh, he's got a Tavor, too, but it's the Micro version. Uses it for close-to-mid-range work.

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Post by Tommygunner70 on Wed 13 May 2009 - 12:11

Nachtsider wrote:Oh, he's got a Tavor, too, but it's the Micro version. Uses it for close-to-mid-range work.

I know, but what I meant was: how about a Tavor for Rico?

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Post by Kiskaloo on Wed 13 May 2009 - 12:22

Nachtsider wrote:My Meir uses an SR-25. I think it would be kinda nice for Rico to use that weapon, too, considering she's with him.

Customized "his and her" weapons.

Meir's would be in matte black with flames while Rico's is a nice shade of yellow with flowers.

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Post by Tommygunner70 on Wed 13 May 2009 - 12:30

Kiskaloo wrote:
Nachtsider wrote:My Meir uses an SR-25. I think it would be kinda nice for Rico to use that weapon, too, considering she's with him.

Customized "his and her" weapons.

Meir's would be in matte black with flames while Rico's is a nice shade of yellow with flowers.

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Lol. there is a differance between a full sized Tavor and the Micro Tavor.

If Rico were to get a Tavor with custom paint job, I'd bet hers would have a red paint job made to look like the weapon has blood stains on it. Vampire Rico :p

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Post by Nachtsider on Wed 13 May 2009 - 12:36

Ah, my bad. A full-size Tavor for Rico doesn't seem all that bad an idea, although I don't exactly see her as being totally the assault rifle kind of girl. Or maybe she could just mount a scope on her MG3 and put it on single-shot for use as one hell of a 'sniper rifle'. I've read accounts of German troops in WWII using their LMGs as 'sniper rifles' in this fashion (scope plus single-shot setting), to very stunning effect.

Meir's actually quite idealistic and soft-hearted. I think his gun would more likely have a peace symbol emblazoned on it. Rico's would have pancakes.

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Post by Guest on Wed 13 May 2009 - 13:31

I've read accounts of German troops in WWII using their LMGs as 'sniper
rifles' in this fashion (scope plus single-shot setting), to very
stunning effect.

I don't know about WWII, but I heard accounts of US soldiers in Vietnam attaching a scope to a Browning .50 Cal MG and use it as 'sniper rifles' to a very stunning effect...

Meir's actually quite idealistic and soft-hearted. I think his gun would more likely have a peace symbol emblazoned on it.
That's a paradox, don't you think Nacht-sen? Its a gun, but it has a peace symbol in it...hahaha

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Post by Nachtsider on Wed 13 May 2009 - 13:36

You're right about the Browning .50 being used as an improvised sniper rifle, Panzer. Although the Germans were the first to come up with the idea - the Vietnam .50 snipers were probably influenced by their Wehrmacht predecessors.

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Post by Tommygunner70 on Wed 13 May 2009 - 15:25

Nachtsider wrote:Ah, my bad. A full-size Tavor for Rico doesn't seem all that bad an idea, although I don't exactly see her as being totally the assault rifle kind of girl. Or maybe she could just mount a scope on her MG3 and put it on single-shot for use as one hell of a 'sniper rifle'. I've read accounts of German troops in WWII using their LMGs as 'sniper rifles' in this fashion (scope plus single-shot setting), to very stunning effect.
True, my German Grandfather actually Jerry rigged a scope onto a MG3, but the thing doesn't have different fire modes. only full auto, though you could fire a 2 to 3 round burst if your fast enough.

Nachtsider wrote:Meir's actually quite idealistic and soft-hearted. I think his gun would more likely have a peace symbol emblazoned on it. Rico's would have pancakes.

heh, beats painting the weapon Pink and putting 'Hello Kitty' on the stock Razz

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Post by Kiskaloo on Wed 13 May 2009 - 15:28

Nachtsider wrote:Meir's actually quite idealistic...I think his gun would more likely have a peace symbol emblazoned on it.

You can't have a conflict if everyone on the other side is dead. Good


Rico's would have pancakes.


Oddly enough, that makes perfect sense...

Though I think it would be a bunny with a pancake on it's head like Sakura's old avatar.


Tommygunner70 wrote:heh, beats painting the weapon Pink and putting 'Hello Kitty' on the stock Razz

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Post by Piero on Wed 13 May 2009 - 22:17

I wonder if it's possible to make Alessia's Kord do single shots...

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Post by Kiskaloo on Wed 13 May 2009 - 22:29

Piero wrote:I wonder if it's possible to make Alessia's Kord do single shots...

It says it can:

type of fire is by salvos, single-shot fire is ensured by abrupt action on the trigger lever;

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Post by boomer_gonz on Thu 14 May 2009 - 3:19

Tommygunner70 wrote:heh, beats painting the weapon Pink and putting 'Hello Kitty' on the stock Razz

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Post by Piero on Thu 14 May 2009 - 16:40

Kiskaloo wrote:
Piero wrote:I wonder if it's possible to make Alessia's Kord do single shots...

It says it can:

type of fire is by salvos, single-shot fire is ensured by abrupt action on the trigger lever;

There is no kill like overkill... Smile

That being said, I don't think Alessia tends to use that thing for sniper/sharpshooter work. It's not really what it was designed for and it's just too damn big for a lot of applications (it's a specialised part of her arsenal, and is not intended for general use).

I currently have Alessia's specialised sharpshooting weapon pegged as a PGM Ultima Ratio in Commando II configuration -an accurate but unusually compact bolt action rifle. Which is a bit odd, considering that Diana, who is supposedly more skilled at sharpshooting then Alessia, uses a G3-SG/1. Choosing a good sniper/sharpshooter rifle for a character like Alessia who specialty is more the breadth of her skills then skill in any particular area is kind of challenging...

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Post by kamajii on Fri 5 Jun 2009 - 15:34

I think that Jean must bye VSS for Rico. Most of missions, when Rico use SVD, the range of shooting not override 200-300 m. Most of missions was in a city. I thing VSS, silent, lightweight, automatic, compact is most suitable for her. By the way, anybody can point to VSS analogue?

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Post by kamajii on Fri 5 Jun 2009 - 15:37

Piero wrote:I wonder if it's possible to make Alessia's Kord do single shots...
By the way, about machinegun Kord
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwu3ivAJ68U

By the way about sniper rifle Kord (12.7)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EYXuiC12AA

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Post by Piero on Fri 5 Jun 2009 - 17:10

Laughing I've seen the first video before. I think it's meant more as a demonstration of how manageable the weapon is then a practical method of employment though. I suspect Alessia prefers to shoot hers from its bipod. Even for a super strong cyborg like her, I suspect such a big gun would be difficult to manage (just because Alessia is super strong doesn't mean she has a lot of size and mass with which to control a gun like that while standing).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7Xz0Rv-k24&feature=related

As previously noted, it's a special weapon in her arsenal. It only rarely gets used in actual missions.

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Post by rshackleford on Sat 6 Jun 2009 - 5:21

That round is terrible for the environments the SWA operates in though. It'll go through a brick wall and hit the terrorist behind it, but then through two more walls lol.

I'm thinking that the girls are very dense though, like a terminator or something. With all those enhancements, they weigh probably twice as much as a girl their age would.

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Post by West Nile on Sat 6 Jun 2009 - 21:33

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Post by Kiskaloo on Sat 6 Jun 2009 - 21:39

West Nile wrote:Triela: what did you get me for this xmas hilshire?
Hilshire: something that can go from 0-200 in seconds
Triela: you got me a sports car!!
Hilshire: no a weighing scale!
*graphic violence*

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Post by MikhailN on Sun 7 Jun 2009 - 10:04

Anyway back on topic. I think the SVD is quite ok for Rico's purpose in the sense that it's easy to teach and use. I mean, you need a lot of experience to use the mil-dots on other sights quickly while the cross-hair and 'snail' on the Russian scopes also serve the double purpose of range-finding.

Also, bearing in mind the range of engagement (less than 200m) so speed is of the essence. Rico can deliver a follow-up shot quickly as opposed to a bolt-action. Also, the SVD is light, which makes it easy to carry in a guitar case. IMO the SVD has the advantage of being easy to use and light without sacrificing the accuracy that usually happens in DMRs

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Post by tsundere9kagami2 on Sun 7 Jun 2009 - 10:27

Rico needs something....more 50 cal.....and automatic...maybe semi automatic...


Rico also needs a BAR....just for carry on use...and it would be hawt

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Post by MikhailN on Sun 7 Jun 2009 - 10:44

tsundere9kagami2 wrote:Rico needs something....more 50 cal.....and automatic...maybe semi automatic...

That's too dangerous for built up areas. She would have to worry about shooting through a few walls and hitting an SWA personnel and that makes it difficult to decide when to shoot. 7.62mm's quite decent in terms of stopping power, though ricochet's a worry. Anyway I don't see Jean worrying about that anytime in the near future

Rico also needs a BAR....just for carry on use...and it would be hawt

She already has a MG3 (I think that's the MG she's lugging around recently) and absurdly she uses the bipod as a forward handle. That's about the same, if not better, than the BAR

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Post by Awinnell on Sun 7 Jun 2009 - 10:59

if she wanted a smallish semi automatic sniper rifle then she could try the TCI/TEI M89SR



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Post by Nachtsider on Sun 7 Jun 2009 - 12:44

MikhailN wrote:She already has a MG3 (I think that's the MG she's lugging around recently) and absurdly she uses the bipod as a forward handle. That's about the same, if not better, than the BAR
Yup, it's a Rheinmetall MG3. The 'bipod-as-forward-handle' thing isn't absurd, though - people actually do that in real life when carrying the weapon in the 'assault position' with a sling.

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Post by kamajii on Sun 7 Jun 2009 - 13:40

Awinnell wrote:if she wanted a smallish semi automatic sniper rifle then she could try the TCI/TEI M89SR
Weight - 4.5 Kg - same as SVD. Bulpap construction reduce length, it's good. But... TEI M89-SR (AFAIK based on M14) is a military weapon as the SVD, too. AFAIK, some special sniper rifles was created by russian enginners for specops and militia because military sniper rifles was too powerfull for shooting on streets of city. And size/weight of miitary rifles is not very suitable for hidden transportaion.
So, we have some special sniper rifles

VSS Vintores (http://world.guns.ru/sniper/sn58-r.htm)



Caliber: 9x39mm SP-5 and SP-6 subsonic cartridges
Action: auto, selective fire, gas-operated, striker-fired.
Length: 894mm
Barrel length: 200 mm
Weight: empty: 2.6 kg, loaded w. scope PSO-1: 3.41 kg
Magazine: 10 or 20 rounds detachable box



VSK-94 (http://world.guns.ru/sniper/sn58-e.htm)



Caliber: 9x39mm SP-5, SP-6 and PAB-9 subsonic
Operation: gas operated, rotating bolt semiautomatic
Barrel: n/a
Weight: 2.8 kg less magazine and scope
Length: 933 mm
Feed Mechanism: 20 rounds detachable box magazine.

Rifles can be disassembled for hidden transportation. I think that was ideal weapon for little girl.

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Post by Nachtsider on Sun 7 Jun 2009 - 13:42

I believe Sheo rearmed Rico with a Vintorez in his fanfics...

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Post by rshackleford on Sun 7 Jun 2009 - 16:13

For urban sharpshooters, anything larger than a 7.62 is overkill.

Yu could potentially write a story arc about some kind of long range assassination out in the Italian countryside or something.... AWESOME. Then the girls can break out the serious hardware.

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Post by Awinnell on Sun 7 Jun 2009 - 16:36

remember the SWA isn't part of the military ,so no need for FMJ rounds like the military is required to use

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Post by Piero on Sun 7 Jun 2009 - 16:53

MikhailN wrote:Anyway back on topic. I think the SVD is quite ok for Rico's purpose in the sense that it's easy to teach and use. I mean, you need a lot of experience to use the mil-dots on other sights quickly while the cross-hair and 'snail' on the Russian scopes also serve the double purpose of range-finding.

Also, bearing in mind the range of engagement (less than 200m) so speed is of the essence. Rico can deliver a follow-up shot quickly as opposed to a bolt-action. Also, the SVD is light, which makes it easy to carry in a guitar case. IMO the SVD has the advantage of being easy to use and light without sacrificing the accuracy that usually happens in DMRs

The SVD is certainly a serviceable weapon, but there are weapons out there which I think have significant advantages over it in various areas. As for the ease of use of the optics -well, these girls are supposed to be highly trained, and Rico is often deployed as a sharpshooter. You'd think they'd be able to train her on other optics if necessary.

I have to admit though that if I was giving Rico a replacement for her Dragunov it would probably be one of the newer model Dragunov's with the black furniture, folding stock, and heavier barrel. Laughing The association between that weapon and Rico is pretty well established after all, even if I may have a liking for the G3-SG/1 myself.

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Post by West Nile on Tue 9 Jun 2009 - 8:06

after chap 63, something in me wants to see Rico go around with one of those Anti-tank rifles, blow someone's chest open Muh-m-muhahahaha!

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Post by Kiskaloo on Tue 9 Jun 2009 - 11:38

That's a Barret M82/M107 anti-material rifle. The M2 and M903 .50 BMG rounds will penetrate lightly-armored vehicles, but the gun is not meant to take on a main battle tank.

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Post by Awinnell on Tue 9 Jun 2009 - 11:52

the only ' Anti-Tank ' rifle of historical note the Boyes anti tank rifle



Boys Anti-tank Rifle, Data:
Calibre (in/mm)
Ammunition
Weight (Unloaded) (kg/lb.)
Length (mm/in)
Barrel Length (mm/in)
Operation
Muzzle Velocity (m/s /ft/s)
0.55/14
AP
16.5/36
161/63.5
196/7.7
Bolt
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Post by LoC978 on Tue 9 Jun 2009 - 12:03

Awinnell wrote:TCI/TEI M89SR
...trying to give away Orazio's rifle? for shame! Razz

...I always wanted to make one of those, but they don't sell the conversion kits to just anyone (also, they're $3000, and require a donor M14).

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Post by boomer_gonz on Tue 9 Jun 2009 - 13:47

Kiskaloo wrote:That's a Barret M82/M107 anti-material rifle. The M2 and M903 .50 BMG rounds will penetrate lightly-armored vehicles, but the gun is not meant to take on a main battle tank.

That is unless you aim for the treads. Speaking of tanks I completely forgot about that thread...

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Post by Kiskaloo on Tue 9 Jun 2009 - 13:50

boomer_gonz wrote:
Kiskaloo wrote:That's a Barret M82/M107 anti-material rifle. The M2 and M903 .50 BMG rounds will penetrate lightly-armored vehicles, but the gun is not meant to take on a main battle tank.

That is unless you aim for the treads.

Not sure even then it would work, to be honest.

Shooting it up the arse might do damage to the engine area.

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For some odd reason that made me laugh a whole hell of a lot.

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Post by LoC978 on Tue 9 Jun 2009 - 14:49

yeah, a single .50BMG would have to be extremely well-placed to mess up a tank tread. A belt of 'em, on the other hand...

and yes. 'up the arse' (exhaust port) is the preferred method.

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Post by Awinnell on Tue 9 Jun 2009 - 15:16

LoC978 wrote:
'up the arse' (exhaust port) is the preferred method.

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Post by Nachtsider on Tue 9 Jun 2009 - 15:40

Kelly's Heroes for the win.

My personal preference would be to lay down some explosives on the engine's upper paneling.

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Post by rusty-spring on Tue 9 Jun 2009 - 19:22

If Valkyria Chronicles is to be believed, I can zoom in a speedy Scout (like Alicia), run up 10 feet behind it, and pump 5 rifle rounds into it's blue glowing nuclear radiator and blow it to hell. Awesome!

Course those are the light tanks. Heavy tanks might take 10 rounds. Razz

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Post by West Nile on Wed 10 Jun 2009 - 2:59

rusty-spring wrote:If Valkyria Chronicles is to be believed, I can zoom in a speedy Scout (like Alicia), run up 10 feet behind it, and pump 5 rifle rounds into it's blue glowing nuclear radiator and blow it to hell. Awesome!

Course those are the light tanks. Heavy tanks might take 10 rounds. Razz

well if only all tanks have something glowing which would shout to the people "hit me here!!"

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