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Post by boomer_gonz on Tue 16 Jun 2009 - 9:08

Are those super-duper flashlight's or what?

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Re: Do you like SureFire product?

Post by Kiskaloo on Tue 16 Jun 2009 - 10:30

They're one of the pioneers of the laser sight and the weapon-mounted flashlight.

They have a solid history and product line, emperor, so I suppose my OC's might use their products.

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Post by MikhailN on Tue 16 Jun 2009 - 10:34

@boomer_gonz wrote:Are those super-duper flashlight's or what?

Surefire flashlights? Once we shined one at a piece of paper and after a few minutes it caught fire. Imagine if it pointed at your cornea for too long...

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Re: Do you like SureFire product?

Post by LoC978 on Tue 16 Jun 2009 - 11:14

...that's one of the uses of a weapon-mounted flashlight/laser sight, yes. sudden night-blindness in an enemy is a good thing. I'd get s Surefire, but they cost as much as the pistol I would mount one on.

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Re: Do you like SureFire product?

Post by maverick375 on Tue 16 Jun 2009 - 11:31

I only have the G2 ($39.99 model) but I love it. It's rated for 63 lumens, incredibly bright compared to an average flashlight of the same size. It uses the 123A batteries, which can be expensive, but I picked up one of their own 12pack boxes which was reasonably priced. 10yr shelf life on the batteries isn't a bad investment.

Surefire flashlights? Once we shined one at a piece of paper and after a few minutes it caught fire. Imagine if it pointed at your cornea for too long...

I had a small spider crawling on me in bed one night, obviously frightening me. I fired up the streamlight and found it, obviously concerned and infuriated that it had been crawling me. I baked it alive with the light, and it only took a minute.

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Post by LoC978 on Tue 16 Jun 2009 - 11:53

ah. I was only aware of the existence of the X400

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Re: Do you like SureFire product?

Post by maverick375 on Tue 16 Jun 2009 - 12:03

Well, the mounted varieties are certainly expensive, and if you're going to drop the dime on one, definitely get the laser/light combo. The hand-helds are certainly useful, and a lot cheaper.

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Re: Do you like SureFire product?

Post by LoC978 on Tue 16 Jun 2009 - 12:17

I suppose so. I've had Maglites all my life... swam to the bottom of the Willamette in the middle of the night to retrieve one once... it never turned off.

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Re: Do you like SureFire product?

Post by boomer_gonz on Tue 16 Jun 2009 - 13:57

I luffs me my Maglite's. Especially now that most of their models have switched to LED.

A maglite has nevar failed on me, although I admit to losing plenty of them. sweat

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Post by tsundere9kagami2 on Tue 16 Jun 2009 - 14:35

I luff their lights i has one they are really really bright and tough they can seriously blind someone for a bit and in that bit of time you can beat them with your ridiculously tough flashlight.

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Re: Do you like SureFire product?

Post by LoC978 on Tue 16 Jun 2009 - 14:51

they do make a handy blind 'em and club 'em tool. 233 lumens and 19" of battery-loaded aircraft aluminum tends to hurt a bit...
and before anyone asks... yeah, I was that guy on field exercises. Always had a bigass knife and an even bigger flashlight strapped to me... just in case of a Chupacabra attack, y'know?

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Re: Do you like SureFire product?

Post by Kiskaloo on Tue 16 Jun 2009 - 15:02

@LoC978 wrote:they do make a handy blind 'em and club 'em tool. 233 lumens and 19" of battery-loaded aircraft aluminum tends to hurt a bit...

I refer to mine as the "Rodney King Special". sweat

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Post by rusty-spring on Tue 16 Jun 2009 - 15:38

@LoC978 wrote:just in case of a Chupacabra attack, y'know?
Aye, el chupacabra - la plaga de mi existencia... *horror-esque flashback* Johnny nooooooo!

Damned goat suckers... NO...

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Re: Do you like SureFire product?

Post by rshackleford on Tue 16 Jun 2009 - 16:19

I've got the G2 model also, except the LED version that pumps out 85 lumens.

I've got a double-D cell Maglite too, but when it comes down to it, I'd take the Surefire anyday, it's smaller yet brighter.

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Re: Do you like SureFire product?

Post by boomer_gonz on Tue 16 Jun 2009 - 16:46

@Kiskaloo wrote:
@LoC978 wrote:they do make a handy blind 'em and club 'em tool. 233 lumens and 19" of battery-loaded aircraft aluminum tends to hurt a bit...

I refer to mine as the "Rodney King Special". sweat

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Post by ElfenMagix on Tue 16 Jun 2009 - 18:42

LOLZ!

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Post by West Nile on Tue 16 Jun 2009 - 22:44

sure! they are retina burning fun!!

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Post by LoC978 on Wed 17 Jun 2009 - 2:15

@rshackleford wrote:I've got a double-D cell Maglite too, but when it comes down to it, I'd take the Surefire anyday, it's smaller yet brighter.
When it comes to Maglites, accept no less than 4 cells. Anything less just doesn't have enough voltage pushing it... also, 3-cells on down are pretty pathetic clubs. The 6-cell variant is always preferable.

oh, and yeah, if you must have a small flashlight... I imagine surefire is the way to go. Just don't be rough on the little guys.

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Post by tsundere9kagami2 on Wed 17 Jun 2009 - 2:41

Ive seen this really long mag light and when ever i see it I must say.

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Post by LoC978 on Wed 17 Jun 2009 - 11:39

one of these?

best flashlight/club ever.

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Post by Nuke is Good on Wed 17 Jun 2009 - 14:50

I'd use one for my Wilson Combat Airsoft but their prices are staggering (at least to me)
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Post by LoC978 on Wed 17 Jun 2009 - 15:07

same for my Glock 45s... a SureFire X400 costs about $70 more than I paid for either of 'em. Too bad my military discount days are over...

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Re: Do you like SureFire product?

Post by rshackleford on Wed 17 Jun 2009 - 16:57

You can just get a mount ring and a pressure switch and adapt a regular Surefire flashlight to it.

There's testimonials of marines in Iraq attaching G2s to their M4s, so I'm sure they can handle the recoil of any pistol caliber.

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Post by tsundere9kagami2 on Wed 17 Jun 2009 - 23:35

@LoC978 wrote:one of these?

best flashlight/club ever.


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Post by boomer_gonz on Thu 18 Jun 2009 - 10:50

@LoC978 wrote:one of these?

best flashlight/club ever.

So if you atach one of these to a -insert random firearm here-; does it still count as pistol-whipping when you hit someone with it?

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Post by LoC978 on Thu 18 Jun 2009 - 12:58

I dunno... you wouldn't so much be attaching the flashlight to the pistol as attaching the pistol to the flashlight.

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Post by rshackleford on Thu 18 Jun 2009 - 14:49

The G2 is only like 4 inches long, and I've done it before. It's nowhere near as awkward as you think.

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Post by tsundere9kagami2 on Sat 20 Jun 2009 - 7:51

Has anyone used Fenix lights?
I actually like em and they are cheaper

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Post by maverick375 on Sat 20 Jun 2009 - 10:40

I've studdied into 'flashlight method' a bit. With a whale-beater mag-light like the one above, the accepted method is to rest it on the shoulder of the weak hand so it turns with the body. The downsides include:

-In a confrontation, a bad guy is likely to shoot at the source of the light if they are blinded by it. Since it's next to the head, you can see why that's bad.
-You're shooting one-handed. This can be a problem with high-recoil handguns like the more common 40caliber Glock. My M&P is controllable single-handed, but it seriously slows my shot times. An all-metal gun, like a 3rd gen Smith auto, will likely be the best for this situation in 40cal.

Now, I have played with a different single-hand method with smaller lights. One I've actually found comfortable is to raise the flashlight up above the head to aim it from above. While not something I'd want to use consantly, it certainly has a bit more merit than the above example in that the light is no longer next to your head. You're still shooting single-handed, though.

With the smaller, push-button-backend lights, you can sometimes slip them between the fingers of your support hand and activate it by pressing the light back against your shooting hand, just below the thumb. This gives you a two-hand control but fairly useful light control. Obviously what you shine the light on is what your gun is aimed at, a slight safety concern when friendlies or uninformed officers are about.
A down side of this is that some guns have their magazine release located in a spot where the light could activate it. The M&P is like this with the older series release buttons. The newer models have it shaved down a slight bit more to prevent it.

One of the other common methods with streamlights is to put the back of the light-hand against the back of the shooting hand. Your support arm goes under the shooting hand and helps to stabilize it from below, and pressing the backs of the hands together stabilizes horizontally.
I can't get a full extension of either arm, so any vertical flip of the muzzle is going to be something to deal with. A firm lock of the muscles in a comfortable position should result in the gun dropping back down on target consistantly, even if there is more flip involved. Slowed shot times should be expected, but not nearly as bad as single-hand shooting.

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Post by LoC978 on Sat 20 Jun 2009 - 11:45

and that's why, if I was using a weapon light, I'd actually spend the money on the X400 or X300. Thankfully, my weapons are there for basic personal defense, so I wouldn't want a light mounted to 'em anyway. It's not like I'll be clearing rooms with 'em.

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