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Post by Nachtsider on Mon 19 Nov 2007 - 21:40

Klicks, my earlier commentary was based on similarities between Triela and Integra's physical appearances, not their personalities.

LoC, I somehow think that the founding of the Agency and its usage of cyborg children as assassins was catalysed and not caused by the rise of Padania. My line of thinking is that Padania or not, their racket would have been put into action.

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Post by ElfenMagix on Mon 19 Nov 2007 - 21:45

@Wileama wrote:**EDIT**
Well it depends on just how tricked out are we talking. Are we talking:

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  • FLCL: That picture of the jet engines, that's you.

'That's nice' will be a Fast Vespa: $6,000 Maybe she's thrown some nice rims, tires , and gotten it tuned really nice. [call it $750] So roughly: 6,750.

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For FLCL make up a number. Is it at least twice as big as the number listed for crazy? Is it less then something completely stupid like 1 million? Your number sounds right.

Used jets can go as little as $5K each to $20K, pending on size and condition. Fuel plumbing and mountings are extra, and are mostly custom jobs when used for 'out of the box' applications.

But Oh The Fun!!!

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Post by sasahara17 on Mon 19 Nov 2007 - 21:50

Thanks for the ideas.

I am now announcing my need for a beta reader. Claes was so OOC in my latest chapter that I couldbn't concentrate inmy clases today and I had to run straight home to fix the problem.

I refuse to allow a reppeat performance of this incident to happen again, and so I need someone to point it out to me before I go and do something stupid like post it on a panicked impulse (calmed down now that the house is tidy and my Gran might NOT be coming). Any takers?

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Post by Nachtsider on Mon 19 Nov 2007 - 21:55

Pardon my naivete, but is a beta reader something like a proofreader?

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Post by ElfenMagix on Mon 19 Nov 2007 - 22:00

'As the hooded figure encrouched upon her diminishing distance on the edge of the communications tower of the Empire State Building, she wraps her hand severed arm on one of the struts of the frame.

Hooded figure (reaching out to Claes): Claes....you're my daughter...
Claes: NOOOOOOoooooo!!!!!!!'

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Post by Wileama on Mon 19 Nov 2007 - 23:09

@ElfenMagix wrote:Used jets can go as little as $5K each to $20K, pending on size and condition. Fuel plumbing and mountings are extra, and are mostly custom jobs when used for 'out of the box' applications.

But Oh The Fun!!!
Yeah, but those custom jobs are not cheap. These mounts had better be some fine welding. These mounts will have to support the weight, whatever, if any, thrust, and the torque of the engine. You really don't want one to fall off due to stress. Also it might sound crazy, but fire suppression might be another good idea. You also going to need to get some oil pluming done. Not to mention maybe integrate a start system, depending on the motor. Now you have to ask yourself who do you trust to do this? How much do they charge you?!

Also I don't think you want to run your bike of the thrust. Maybe if it where just one inline engine. Even then though I would feel much more comfortable with a shaft system driving the wheels. If you've got two engines. It would be a must for a two engine set up. Different engines will produce different thrust, so the bike may want to turn one way, or another. God help you if one of the engines flames out for a moment! The price for that transmission system would be astronomical. Getting a jet engine to work on something that clearly was not intended for it, is not a small feat. I wouldn't expect it to run much beyond 100,000 if it reached even that. However anything short of 35,000 sounds low to me.

Anyway I offered my services before, and I offer them again. I don't know if I would be any good at it, but I like to think I could help. I'm back on a day schedule mountain time. I'm pretty sure I'm the only Wileama on the internet, so if you see that handle it's me. I certainly wouldn't mind getting an advanced copy of your work. Very Happy

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Re: Idea and concept generation

Post by sasahara17 on Mon 19 Nov 2007 - 23:10

@Nachtsider wrote:Pardon my naivete, but is a beta reader something like a proofreader?
I was thinking of something along those lines, expect the reader was paying closer attention to that characters and plot for holes the plot and bad characterisation than the actual spelling and grammar.

@ElfenMagix wrote:'As the hooded figure encrouched upon her
diminishing distance on the edge of the communications tower of the
Empire State Building, she wraps her hand severed arm on one of the
struts of the frame.

Hooded figure (reaching out to Claes): Claes....you're my daughter...
Claes: NOOOOOOoooooo!!!!!!!'
Now how would our dear Claes have gotten up there? And who is that mysterious man (as if we don't already have an idea)? What do you have in mind Elfen?

@Wileama wrote:First we simply have to square you away with the
StarCraft universe. Terrains are like the Australians, only in space.
Oh, and they haven't quite civilized up yet. They have a tendency to be
rough around the edges, and can be generally categorized as rednecks.
[in space] A lot of Terrain military is large part conscripts,
especially the grunts. What better way to conscript then out of the
penal system? Mind you these are the criminals that the other criminals
have locked up. So long as you keep them in line, it makes for some
really... well... 'interesting' grunts.

The most memorable thing I can remember was the 'special intrest groups vs kerrigan' mission. I can't remember the Terran side very well, the Protoss and Zerg were more intresting.

Thanks for the Vespa recommendations. I'll be using a mortal Vespa as opposed to one that is ridden by a guitar weilding maniac, thank you...

Unless everybody wants to see a cyborg swing a violin into some poor sid's head while going at eighty mph, then maybe I'll stick it in 'Missed' somewhere.

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Post by ElfenMagix on Mon 19 Nov 2007 - 23:56

@sasahara17 wrote:Thanks for the ideas.

I am now announcing my need for a beta reader. Claes was so OOC in my latest chapter that I couldbn't concentrate inmy clases today and I had to run straight home to fix the problem.

I refuse to allow a reppeat performance of this incident to happen again, and so I need someone to point it out to me before I go and do something stupid like post it on a panicked impulse (calmed down now that the house is tidy and my Gran might NOT be coming). Any takers?

After reading your rewrites, I would say, No- Cleas was not OOC, well, except to the point where she passed out and why. It is my belief that Claes is so heavily programmed by that 3rd rewrite condictioning that her glasses do make a statement of her character. In the 2 times she's had them off after Rabello's Death, she kicked ass period. Her training is still vicious, and her capabilities still sharp. It is her inability to do anything with glasses on that stops her from advancing any further. All her past training came from Rabello when he was alive, and he taught her well. As Lorenzo said of her, "She was trained by a master."

As for her fainting in midfight... BOO!!! HISSS!!! BOOOO!!!!!
OK, enough of that. Its your story and it was well played. I dont agree with it, but accept it since its your creation. Keep up the good work!

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Re: Idea and concept generation

Post by Nachtsider on Mon 19 Nov 2007 - 23:59

@ElfenMagix wrote:It is her inability to do anything with glasses on that stops her from advancing any further.

Once again, I feel that this is an oversimplification.

But anyway.

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Post by sasahara17 on Tue 20 Nov 2007 - 0:19

@ElfenMagix wrote:After reading your rewrites, I would say, No- Cleas was not OOC, well, except to the point where she passed out and why. It is my belief that Claes is so heavily programmed by that 3rd rewrite condictioning that her glasses do make a statement of her character. In the 2 times she's had them off after Rabello's Death, she kicked ass period. Her training is still vicious, and her capabilities still sharp. It is her inability to do anything with glasses on that stops her from advancing any further. All her past training came from Rabello when he was alive, and he taught her well. As Lorenzo said of her, "She was trained by a master."

As for her fainting in midfight... BOO!!! HISSS!!! BOOOO!!!!!
OK, enough of that. Its your story and it was well played. I dont agree with it, but accept it since its your creation. Keep up the good work!

Why thank you. It's nice to see someone has taken the time to read my fic. Critise aaway. The road to truth (and a good fic) is when a theroy is being assailed on all sides. Good writing will eventually emerge if proper critisim is made.
While I did change the wording (and thus the general feel) The plot skeleton was as follows;
(1) Elsa and Claes fight
(2) Claes glasses get smashed (changed to cracked as not to shatter Claes'spsyche outright)
(3) Claes flips out, goes ape shit on Elsa
(4) Elsa gets the tar beaten out of her, something haoppes to Claes
(5) Elsa escapes, Claes is still alive

I couldn't make (5) happen without making Claes pass out, becuase Elsa had damaged THE Glasses.
Do NOT mess with the Glasses. It is taboo.
Claes nearly whacked the stuffing out of Perta for even touching them, so Elsa, who cracked them, is basicly dead meat. It was the only way I could bail her. Like I noted cliche as heck, but it works for now.

EDIT Plot Idea(s)!

(1)Reverse the situation.

Summary "After years of fighting a losing battle against the Italian governement's security forces under the command of a vengeful Jean Croche, the Five Republics is made an offer that they could not refuse by arms dealers; experimental cyborg soldiers. Now armed with five prototype 'gunslinger girls' what trials will these fratello teams experience in a universe turned on it's head?"

In otherwords, the SWA's Section Two does not exist, rather the cyoborg orginiastion is on the sepratist side.
What would Change?
Jean and Jose are still hard core Itailain loyalsists, so 'Rico' and 'Henrietta' if they were even still cyborgs, would have new handlers. Franco and Franca perhaps?
...Pinocchio is Jean's all to loyal right hand man, Lauro is a loose cannon merc...
Hillshire might even have gone over to the wrong side of the law if he wanted to save Triela... or hell he might have died saving Ratiel and she went and made '(Vic)Toria' her partner as the cyborg's emergency field medic team...
Angie and Claes? God knows. Maybe Claes is Raballo's daughter or something?
My imagination is running wild.

(2) Blasted into an AU

Summary "Treila/Claes/Henrietta/Rico is a tad too close to one of Franca's bombs during a mission and is 'killed' by the subsequent explosion. Except she dones't die. When she next wakes, our intrepid heroine is in a hospital, strangers calling themselves her parents overjoyed to see she is alive but believe she has amnesia. What happened?"

General idea, Cyborg gets blown into alternate reality thanks to bomb specialist Franca... where she isn't a cyborg and just a normal girl who just came out of a coma. Our herione has her 'memories' and lethal fighting skills and whatnot, but is now straddled with two parents, god knows how many siblings a human body (?) and not a clue how to proceed.

Several things happen at this point;
(1) Heroine has to adapt to her normal life.
(2) Heroine finds out what her real family is like and her life before her cybernisation.
(3) Heroine begins to doupt her memories.
(4) Heroine finds she likes the normal life and her family.
(5) Other cliche fuzzy stuff.

After an indefinate period of time, she decides she had amnesia and has drempt up the whole 'SWA thing'.... cyborgs? What a joke! When she goes to the stepps (on holiday, shcool trip, etc...)and is caught in a shootout between one of her cyborg sisters and some rebels, at which point she unwittingly gets involved and discretely saves a fratello team with l33t gunman skillz she almost forgot she had (maybe even grebbing her old weapon in the process)...

...And now Section Two is looking for a 'rouge cyborg' whom they think was developed without their knowlege.

NOW what does she do?

And how does she get back (does she even want to get back)?

It'll be even better if she finds out her extended family has Bianchi or Lorenzo or something in it (make matters even more complicated if she develops a rapport of sort with family member). It's an AU, so maybe he is a distant relative or something.

EDIT - Pino in the AUsuddenly is Treila's loving brother. That could send her running back to the dorms for her 1897, if only to shoot herself.

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Post by ElfenMagix on Tue 20 Nov 2007 - 20:17

Uhm... lets leave Pino and Triela bro/sis out of this. Bad enough they love each other to death! :lol!:

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Post by Wileama on Tue 20 Nov 2007 - 21:12

wow your imagination really is running wild. I love it. I love it, and want to read it. Read all of it.

The blasted into an AU sounds plenty nifty. The only problem is getting to it. Blown into an alternate reality is like having a transporter accident lead you into the mirror universe in Star Trek. Only here it's going from the evil side to the good side. Really though, how else do you achieve that? First thing that comes to mind is that maybe her parents aren't really her parents. Their Pandia operatives. They want to study a real cyborg. They come up with a plan to get the dead body of one. Only they get luckier then they can imagine. They got a live one.

Very quickly they have to figure out how to work the situation. Clearly the conditioning would prevent her working with them. So they concoct this story. They tell her she's been in a coma. She sees doctors, and psychiatrist they help explain it away. The occasional does of 'medication', and her 'recovery' explain away the withdrawal symptoms.

Then maybe half a year later she gets in this fire fight. Her former comrade in arms is shocked, calls out her name. The girl flees in fear of her sanity, and truth. Her world quickly begins falling apart. The SWA comes after her. The lie of her 'parents' is revealed. Even if the parents have come to love her, the Pandia still needs her. She doesn't want to be anyones tool. She just want to be free, and happy. How does it end?

It's a different story, especially towards the end. However the story at it's heart hasn't changed much. Though I think you really didn't consider the girl having to learn to accept her new life. Or maybe you did, and lumped it into the first issue. What ever the case I hope I've helped.

With the reverse the situations story I really think you've got it. It's a nifty little idea, and I'm sure if, and when it gets to paper you'll do a good job of it.

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Post by ElfenMagix on Wed 21 Nov 2007 - 15:26

AU's are scarey within themselves. Too many things to keep track off. Not enough figuring out along the lines as to what they are.

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Post by sasahara17 on Wed 21 Nov 2007 - 17:53

@Wileama wrote:wow your imagination really is running wild. I love it. I love it, and want to read it. Read all of it.

The blasted into an AU sounds plenty nifty. The only problem is getting to it. Blown into an alternate reality is like having a transporter accident lead you into the mirror universe in Star Trek. Only here it's going from the evil side to the good side. Really though, how else do you achieve that? First thing that comes to mind is that maybe her parents aren't really her parents. Their Pandia operatives. They want to study a real cyborg. They come up with a plan to get the dead body of one. Only they get luckier then they can imagine. They got a live one.

Very quickly they have to figure out how to work the situation. Clearly the conditioning would prevent her working with them. So they concoct this story. They tell her she's been in a coma. She sees doctors, and psychiatrist they help explain it away. The occasional does of 'medication', and her 'recovery' explain away the withdrawal symptoms.

Then maybe half a year later she gets in this fire fight. Her former comrade in arms is shocked, calls out her name. The girl flees in fear of her sanity, and truth. Her world quickly begins falling apart. The SWA comes after her. The lie of her 'parents' is revealed. Even if the parents have come to love her, the Pandia still needs her. She doesn't want to be anyones tool. She just want to be free, and happy. How does it end?

It's a different story, especially towards the end. However the story at it's heart hasn't changed much. Though I think you really didn't consider the girl having to learn to accept her new life. Or maybe you did, and lumped it into the first issue. What ever the case I hope I've helped.
With the reverse the situations story I really think you've got it. It's a nifty little idea, and I'm sure if, and when it gets to paper you'll do a good job of it.
Man that sounds so good. I think Rico would be a good candidate for this one... Jean (outwardly) isn't the friendliest handler, Rico is quite innocent in these kind of things and since she (vaguely) remembers she has parents...
Also, this might hvae the added benefit of Jean being issued a 'replacement' for Rico after she was 'killed'. When Rico sees her (Stage Two?) successor, how would she react? Just an idea.
Does that make Franco and Franca her parents? Franca sure as heck can play the part.
@ElfenMagix wrote:AU's are scarey within themselves. Too many things
to keep track off. Not enough figuring out along the lines as to what
they are.
Well, we can always keep it simple. For instance, the AU where Triela is (Vic)Toria (after the deceased Victor Hartman) and her handlers is Ratiel can still be done without being overly complicated.

Just for kicks, we could have Rico's (actually very caring) parents come back to check what happened to their daughter after the turned her over to the SWA, or have Claes/Petra's 'long-lost-high-profile-Senator-in-a-big-country-relative' (US, Russia, Etc) come looking for their now cyborg family member.
I'll have to be someone who came so far out left field nobidy in the SWA expected it though. I sure they carry out very thourough background checks on each of their candidates.
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Post by Wileama on Wed 21 Nov 2007 - 19:16

@sasahara17 wrote:Man that sounds so good. I think Rico would be a good candidate for this one... Jean (outwardly) isn't the friendliest handler, Rico is quite innocent in these kind of things and since she (vaguely) remembers she has parents...
Also, this might hvae the added benefit of Jean being issued a 'replacement' for Rico after she was 'killed'. When Rico sees her (Stage Two?) successor, how would she react? Just an idea.
Does that make Franco and Franca her parents? Franca sure as heck can play the part.
Really I'm just polishing up your idea. I can't take an real credit, I wouldn't have thought of this on my own. All I'm really doing is finding a way to connect the key points, and concepts of our first idea. I agree Rico is one of the better girls too choose. However remembering her parents is a double edge sword. She will realize they don't look like she remembered. There are ways of fixing this, however it will take some effort. Beatrice might be a good choice. In a lot of ways she's a blank character. What she knows of her past is up in the air, and her personality can blossom into almost anything. Claes, and Triela are options, but not good ones. I don't think their personalities fit well with the story. Henrietta, well she's to obsessed with Jose for this story to work.

Jean having a replacement might be a good idea. I was wondering whether to kill the handler, or not. If the bomb fails to kill the cyborg, then the handler could easily survive. Though what injuries they sustain is always open. Maybe Jean has a cyborg arm, or a cain like Raballo.

As for Franco, and Franca they work best out of the characters that exist. However I think an Original character would work better. Franco, and Franca would have to be in a relationship, they don't seem quite ready from. Not to mention I think they would feel too uncomfortable with the job to take it. Besides they could do more for the cause by making their bombs. Oh, and depending on when you place the story timeline wise, they happen to be dead. I prefer when villains die, instead of miraculously living time, and time again.

@ElfenMagix wrote:AU's are scarey within themselves. Too many things
to keep track off. Not enough figuring out along the lines as to what
they are.
Eh, you've never run a Dungeons, and Dragoons campaign have you?

@sasahara17 wrote:Just for kicks, we could have Rico's (much more caring) parents come back to check what happened to their daughter after the turned her over to the SWA, or have Claes/Petra's 'long-lost-high-profile-Senator-in-a-big-country-relative' (US, Russia, Etc) come looking for their now cyborg family member.
Yup chaos.
HA HA!
US Senator: So after researching your organization for a similar bill in the states, I discovered I happen to be related to Claes. She's a cousin twice removed. I think it important she gets a chance to know her family.
Lorenzo: Errr.... Well... It's quite tragic you see... She died last year. Hit by a car, so very tragic.
US senator: When was this?!
Lorenzo: Fall, yes that's it Fall.
US senator: But you have a photo of her in this springs pamphlet about the Socail Welfare agency.
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Post by ElfenMagix on Wed 21 Nov 2007 - 19:49

@Wileama wrote:
@ElfenMagix wrote:AU's are scarey within themselves. Too many things
to keep track off. Not enough figuring out along the lines as to what
they are.
Eh, you've never run a Dungeons, and Dragoons campaign have you?
More times than I will dare to admit!

@Wileama wrote:
@sasahara17 wrote:Just for kicks, we could have Rico's (much more caring) parents come back to check what happened to their daughter after the turned her over to the SWA, or have Claes/Petra's 'long-lost-high-profile-Senator-in-a-big-country-relative' (US, Russia, Etc) come looking for their now cyborg family member.
Yup chaos.
HA HA!
US Senator: So after researching your organization for a similar bill in the states, I discovered I happen to be related to Claes. She's a cousin twice removed. I think it important she gets a chance to know her family.
Lorenzo: Errr.... Well... It's quite tragic you see... She died last year. Hit by a car, so very tragic.
US senator: When was this?!
Lorenzo: Fall, yes that's it Fall.
US senator: But you have a photo of her in this springs pamphlet about the Socail Welfare agency.
Lorenzo: FUCK!
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Post by Wileama on Thu 22 Nov 2007 - 0:08

@ElfenMagix wrote:
@Wileama wrote:Eh, you've never run a Dungeons, and Dragoons campaign have you?
More times than I will dare to admit!
Then think of an AU as your own little campaign. Yea details can be a pain, but thats where some of the fun is too.

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Post by Danjo3 on Thu 22 Nov 2007 - 2:49

Triela turns out to be the love child of Jean and Franca. You've got to admit, she looks the part.

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Post by sasahara17 on Thu 22 Nov 2007 - 9:58

The long lost reletive idea.

The relative should be some really high profile, pro human rights crusader who decides he/she wants legal custody. And that person is also stubborn as hell. The whole SWA is going to have a field day trying to change his/her mind while maintaining cover.

It'll be the perfect comedy.

Now that they are catapulted into the Limelight, what is the SWA going to do?

With the world media focused on their small monastery, press and paparazzi prowling for blood, guest visits from Hillshire's overjoyed relavtives (Oh Victor, to think you've been working for this wonderful government agency all this time... we're so proud of you!), special guest visits from RICO'S overjoyed parents (our daughter's okay now! how are you *rico's real name*), offers from all over Italy for disabled children for their program, perhaps Padania spies or two mixed in the crowd...
Lorenzo (our protagonist? the boss man doesn't get enougth spotlight) will be in a new world of hell.

And lets not forget, the stubborn US senator that got him into this mess in the first place.

With respect to the AU, I was just thinking about a few ideas since it is a 'turned on it's head' universe.

Enrica
Enrica... alive in the A.U.? what if Jose died instead, and young Enrica, filled with vengance, becomes the youngest member of Jean's crack team of killers? How will Jean (who we all know is a softie inside) handle it?
Assuming she was a child when Jose was in his early twenties, is she were still alive, she would be in he early twenties at the time of GSG wouldn't you think?

John Doe
As Pino is with the security forces, John Doe becomes a handler since the laws of the universe dictates the man needs an apprentice. Our Beretta 93R weilding enigma can be fleshed out now! Give him Claes or somethin' since 'Toria' will be with Ratiel. What will A.U. Claes and A.U. Pino's rivalry be like (since Toria is an invincible, super fast bullet dodging field medic), if they even have one at all?

Emilio
Instead of killing him in the A.U,. Rico befriends him (again) and gets into a relationship with him (puppy love, nothing serious)... and then Jean, head of the security forces, finds out. Narurally, a lowly bellboy is completely expendable and thus, the perfect hostage.
Now we have kidnapped princess/hostage(Emilio) a heroic white knight/dashing young gunslinger with an SVD (Rico) and a horde of 'evil' minions (the Craberili s.p.) with the evil dark wizard (Jean) at the top.
Okay.

Angie
Make Patricia Angie's handler(?). She's an non-com, so I'm not sure that will even work, but that's a thought.

I've neverv played D&D before despite owning all the 3rd Ed. (and 3.5 Ed.) handbooks. Nobody to play with. very sad...

In other news, the Interpol Cyborg agancy and it's enemy orginisations (as in prural) are almost ready. I'll post the description later in another thread to see what everyone thinks. Just 'showcasing' the org since I don't plan to write about them until 'Marked' is halfway done. The concept needs some fine tuning anyway, and what better way than to get a second opinion!

Preview;
One superhuman villian who wears a french maid outfit and uses the following... Thompson SMG, Winchester 1897, Colt Single Action, Browning Automatic Rifle, Sawn Off Shotgun, M1 Garand, M76 Grenade Launcher.
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Post by Nachtsider on Thu 22 Nov 2007 - 20:56

@sasahara17 wrote:special guest visits from RICO'S overjoyed parents (our daughter's okay now! how are you *rico's real name*)

My fictional interpretation of Gunslinger Girl involves Rico's real name being the one that Jean used in Episode Seven (Florence Padaille) - I just think that it's a nice name. Incidentally, I've been contemplating a story idea that involves Rico's parents, now overcome by remorse at abandoning their daughter, going back to look for her. What would they find...?

@sasahara17 wrote:Enrica... alive in the A.U.? what if Jose died instead, and young Enrica, filled with vengance, becomes the youngest member of Jean's crack team of killers? How will Jean (who we all know is a softie inside) handle it?
Assuming she was a child when Jose was in his early twenties, is she were still alive, she would be in he early twenties at the time of GSG wouldn't you think?

I suppose you're meaning Enrica would be a handler/support operative? Early twenties is far, far too old for a cyborg.

@sasahara17 wrote:As Pino is with the security forces, John Doe becomes a handler since the laws of the universe dictates the man needs an apprentice.

I imagine it'd be like Besson's Leon all over again, considering whom I'd cast in the role of John...

@sasahara17 wrote:Instead of killing him in the A.U,. Rico befriends [Emilio] (again) and gets into a relationship with him (puppy love, nothing serious)... and then Jean, head of the security forces, finds out. Narurally, a lowly bellboy is completely expendable and thus, the perfect hostage.
Now we have kidnapped princess/hostage(Emilio) a heroic white knight/dashing young gunslinger with an SVD (Rico) and a horde of 'evil' minions (the Craberili s.p.) with the evil dark wizard (Jean) at the top.
Okay.

Doesn't appeal too much to me, sorry to say. Perhaps I'm just fedup of the overabundance of anime and manga titles featuring strong female characters and wimpy male ones. This was part of the reason I brought Emilio back as a more-than-capable cyborg operative in 'Battlezone'.
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Post by ElfenMagix on Thu 22 Nov 2007 - 22:14

The only Fictional (maybe AU) character I have (which I will introduce soon), is a pre-Angelica Prototype Cyborg named Francesca.

She was signed over to the SWA as trying to find a cure for her Leukemia and Lupis, normal doctors only gave her 6 months to live. The SWA gave her 9. She was created as the first, and dies some 9 months later... but it was not the Leukemia or Lupis that killed her. It is the investigation of her 'death' that delays the program for another 2 years, and with a younger subject and healthier to test: Angie.

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Post by sasahara17 on Fri 23 Nov 2007 - 1:23

@Nachtsider wrote:I suppose you're meaning Enrica would be a handler/support operative? Early twenties is far, far too old for a cyborg.

Actually I was referring to an A.U. where the SWA does not exist for the government forces, but a similar org exists for the Five Republics... IUn other words, Enrica is supposed to be this soldier under Jean's crack special forces team and happens to have revenge on her mind because the Republic managed to off Jose.

In A.U. where evrything is on it's head ought to be pretty damn funny in a dark sort of way since Pino might be Jean's lapdog, Jose and Harman are dead, The cyborgs have diffrent handlers and are on the 'wrong' side...

Just a though, since the Five Republics is supposed to be in deep trouble when the cyborgs come along, they'll probably send their Fratello teams to do stuff what we don't normally see Fratello teams do, like mundane arms shipping for instance. They'll also be taking greater risks too since their manpower is dwindling thanks to Jean.

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Post by ElfenMagix on Fri 23 Nov 2007 - 18:33

@sasahara17 wrote:
@Nachtsider wrote:I suppose you're meaning Enrica would be a handler/support operative? Early twenties is far, far too old for a cyborg.

Actually I was referring to an A.U. where the SWA does not exist for the government forces, but a similar org exists for the Five Republics... IUn other words, Enrica is supposed to be this soldier under Jean's crack special forces team and happens to have revenge on her mind because the Republic managed to off Jose.

In A.U. where evrything is on it's head ought to be pretty damn funny in a dark sort of way since Pino might be Jean's lapdog, Jose and Harman are dead, The cyborgs have diffrent handlers and are on the 'wrong' side...

Just a though, since the Five Republics is supposed to be in deep trouble when the cyborgs come along, they'll probably send their Fratello teams to do stuff what we don't normally see Fratello teams do, like mundane arms shipping for instance. They'll also be taking greater risks too since their manpower is dwindling thanks to Jean.

Just a thought.

That is just scarey, because- the 5 Republics being an Ousted Political Party has a lot of support by the local authorities (depending on where you go) and the the man on the street.

Now, I can see Triela, Henrietta and Claes running into a police station, kill everyone in there and then empty the weapons vaults into an awaiting truck driven by the handlers. But this would ruin their support by those mentioned above.

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Post by Wileama on Fri 23 Nov 2007 - 19:13

How about stealing a truck load of weapons that was going to be melt down. Like in The Usual Suspects. Or providing protection for a weapons delivery coming over the boarder. Mass killings may not be wants needed. A safe operating area though is something they could do a good job of.

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Post by ElfenMagix on Fri 23 Nov 2007 - 20:10

I would dare say that the girls are capable of anything, once their handlers put them up to it. Now that leaves to question, what are the handlers themselves capable of doing?

Also, where are they getting condictioning medicine for the girls or are they strung up on heroine and morphine? In this mind set, a junkie will do almost anything for a fix...

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Post by sasahara17 on Sun 25 Nov 2007 - 1:02

Just saw Rusty's new Avatar. It's Gretel from Black Lagoon.

Anyone thought of a Black Lagoon crossover? I know we have a Sin City one floating around in FF.net, but Hansel and Gretel fight on the same level as mechanical bodes is the anime was anything to go by.

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Post by sasahara17 on Tue 27 Nov 2007 - 3:25

"You're sending her in alone?" That gave me an idea.

It's a long strech just thought of a F.E.A.R. crossover, with one of the girls fighting 'Alma' or some ghost like Alma. It'll be an intresting study on how a cyborg handles raw fear as an emotion against a supernatural foe.

Need to figure out how to get the stroy rolling without the psychic ghost liquifying the cyborg in a second though...

Perhaps the Point man is Alma's son angle, but with one of the girls? I was thinking either Claes or Treila since their backgrounds are mysterious and they are independent enough to have their wounded handler say...

"You're sending her in alone?"

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Idea (1) Ghostbuster Girl

Triela seem to be the kind of girl who claims she isn’t afraid of ghosts.

We’ll see about that!

Triela and Hillshire visit a maximum security prison when all hell breaks loose. A man he once arrested and sent to death row has come back to take his vengeance. Possessing the computerized security system and possessing the prisoners, it becomes a madhouse. Hillshire makes it out, but Triela is locked in with five hundred prisoners who have been possessed. Then the lights go out.

In fact it turns out she was his target all along, his vengeance was to rob Hillshire of his purpose in life. Trapped in a prison that is out to get her, lights off and five hundred people trying to kill her (perhaps even rape her as well, if he’ from THAT part of Victor’s past), the ghost watching her every move, Triela sure has a hell of a time trying to get out alive.

Of course, to her it’ll just look like the security system failed and Hillshire just made it out, but what happens when she sees the glowing red eyes of the possessed men in the dark, the doors that open and shut on a whim, the constantly peering security cameras, Triela is bound to know something is seriously wrong.

After a while the sounds in the night start to get to her, and when the possessed men don’t go down no matter how many times she shoots them, Triela starts to get worried. Then when the ghost appears… she starts to get scared. She’s a cyborg, a creation of science. This is a ghost, a creation far beyond anything her Winchester 1897 can hurt.

Chased by something she can’t kill, Triela gets into a whole bunch of near death situation (maybe gets her clothes ripped up in the process for you pervs out there), and finds out that yes, she is afraid of the dark after all.

Then after running and screaming for some time, she gets her act together, organizes the unprocessed surviving prison staff, busts the Computer Core, tracks the jackass to his prison cell, finds his bones, cremates him in a blast furnace while fending off five hundred invincible possessed prisoners and then is home free.

And since it’s a supernatural ghost story, might as well drop Ratiel in while we’re at it. A good ghost to cheer on the beleaguered Triela.

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Idea (2) I can see thoughts…

You know how Elsa’s VA is Noto Mamiko right? I just remembered she was the same VA of another character I am a fan of. So I came up with this beauty.

Elsa one day wakes up with a splitting headache and gains Tsukamoto Yakumo’s mind reading abilities.

At first she doesn’t relies anything is amiss, but then as the day wears on, she realizes she can ‘see’ the surface thoughts to the people around her… except it only extends to the people around her that like/wish to befriend her (Henrietta, Priscilla, Triela, etc…) and not Lauro, who won’t give her the time of the day.
Although she is upset at first and endeavors to try and please Lauro, prolonged mind reading begins to change her world view.

What happens when her newfound ability beats the conditioning and Elsa decides to try and make some friends? Will this change her sorrid fate? What happens when this weird ability is taken away from her?

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Idea (3) American McGee’s Claes

This is totally random.

Claes gets taken to Wonderland after falling down a hole in her garden. Not the nice fluffy Wonderland in Louis Carroll’s books, but THAT wonderland, where everyone is out to kill her except for a rabbit and an insane cat.

Charged with freeing the tainted wonderland, Claes goes off with her Vaporal gardening spade to kick some ass.

Yeah. Weird.

All of Claes pent up frustrations now have an outlet, especially if the bosses all are representations of her darkest feelings and look like the twisted versions of the friends she doesn’t like. Stabby. Stabby. At some point, she gets a magic watering can flamethrower thing.

The Hatter turns out to be an undead/mechanical version of Raballo who confronts her with her past, so she beats the crap out of him to come to terms with her past… okay that sounded so wrong. Maybe beats the shit out of him in a fishing contest…? Well she wins and gets this fishing rod chainsaw thing.

The big monster Alice had to fight is replaced with a hideous version of Lorenzo/the guy who killed Raballo. Naturally Claes just cuts lose with her acid spewing paintbrush.

And of course, the Queen of Hearts is the manifestation of her ‘repressed memories’/’previous self’. Generally Claes w/o the Glasses. So Claes blows the shit out of her too with her magic H&K VP90 with unlimited ammo and magic bullets that leave big holes like Alucard’s Jackal.

So in short she beats the stuffing out of everyone until she learns the truth of her origins, unseals her repressed memories and learns how to go swish, swish with a really sharp magic spade.

Then Claes gets to the real world, now remembering Raballo and stuff, and with the Vaporal spade as her souvenir she scares the shit out of Triela before deciding being alone isn’t so fun.

Like I said random.

I dreamt it full of exam stress. So of course wierd shit happens.

But it was fun to see Claes cut lose like she did, laughing like a maniac when eviscerating her foes.

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Post by Nachtsider on Tue 27 Nov 2007 - 9:00

Hot diggety DAMN. Sasahara's on a roll, and I'm lovin' it. Ideas #1 and #3 appeal to me a lot, especially since I was the first chap to introduce horror and supernaturalist elements into Gunslinger Girl fanfiction with 'Justice Served' and 'Iceberg'.

'Ghostbuster Girl' could use Perro as a heroic spectral hound keeping the ghoulies at bay - hell, we could throw Elsa's shade into the mix (villainess or anti-heroine? You decide), and I've got this horifically hilarious vision of a corpse-bloated Lauro as Stay-Puft.

And we haven't even gotten to deciding which Gunslinger Girl characters are going to be cast as figures from Alice in Wonderland. I can picture Ferro as the Queen of Hearts, for starters.

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Post by ElfenMagix on Tue 27 Nov 2007 - 20:10

@sasahara17 wrote:Idea (2) I can see thoughts…

You know how Elsa’s VA is Noto Mamiko right? I just remembered she was the same VA of another character I am a fan of. So I came up with this beauty.

Elsa one day wakes up with a splitting headache and gains Tsukamoto Yakumo’s mind reading abilities.
The problem with Telepathy is Schizophrenia.
Too many are in mental wards because they can not simply sort out other people's voices from within their own heads. Neither would Elsa. She would just go stark raving mad!:twisted:

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Post by Nachtsider on Tue 27 Nov 2007 - 20:36

You could write this new ability as something that develops gradually instead of muscling in on the scene full-blown. How else could people like Charles Xavier cope?

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Post by ElfenMagix on Tue 27 Nov 2007 - 22:13

@Nachtsider wrote:You could write this new ability as something that develops gradually instead of muscling in on the scene full-blown. How else could people like Charles Xavier cope?
Jean Grey went mad by it in her child years; picking up her friend's thoughts, and then sensing that girl's death. Charles X had to bring her out of it and block out her abilities until she could handle them when she was older.

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Post by Guest on Tue 27 Nov 2007 - 22:22

The abilities could also be part of the reasearch. That is given, not inherent. In this case they would be introduced by some other methods, in a gradual manner.

Cyborgs and supernatural powers? That's rather scary.

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Post by sasahara17 on Wed 28 Nov 2007 - 9:11

I don't really think the question lies with how or why the girls get a special ability, but more of how they and the people around them react to it after they get it.

Some Ideas I had...

From the serious....

Claes develops a Hyde personality when the glasses come off (see Yumie and Yumiko from Hellsing). When she realises this how will she cope? will she tell anyone? Will she start shotgunning drugs to keep 'Freda' at bay and superglue her galsses to her head to restarin a psychopath?
What happens if she discovers Lorenzo is responsible for Raballo's murderer... and 'Freda' wants to slaughyer everyone, incluing her friends, to get payback? Claes still wants revenge, but doen't want innocents like Jose and Henrietta to suffer. What lengths will she go to subdue Ms Hyde?

To the action packed...

Angie dies at tyhe end of the series... and becomes an immortal seonds after her death.
Healthy again and ready to please Marco, Angie's new lease on life is threated by a katana wielding Elsa de Sica, now an immortal, and knife wielding Pinocchio, yet another immortal after Triela failed to clear his head from his sholders, who wish to take her head.

To the hilarious...

Treila sudeenly gets the power to make other people swap bodies after touching a anitque that belonged to Loki, the trisker god. She gets it off the bat and doesn't realize it until she makes both Jose and Jean AND Rico and Henrietta swap bodies. Having zero undertanding of this new power and ho idea how to control it, will Triela use her body swapping power fopr the good of everyone... or just plain mischief?

To the ridiculous...


Henrietta doesn't realize it at first, but her new poloroid camera has a curse. Everybody she snaps a picture off will be cloned in two weeks in the position she imortalised them in, with slightly different personalities, after a certain amount of time has passed. Soon there are six Jose-sans, five Ricos, two Claes, four Angies, NINE Trielas and an Elsa de Sica (a clone-this is after she shot herself mind you) running around the compound unchecked, and it is up to Jean and Henrietta to solve this disaster before Hillshire goes insane with Triela overload.
And what if the Camera, the key to solving this problem, is stolen by Pino who views it as an asset to the FR?

Either that or you can get the girls to fight against someone with super powers. I recall a fic where the GSG's went up againt a Diclonicus once. It wasn't pretty.

Just more Ideas...

Enrica the Friendly Ghost

Intending to somehow free her brother's of their guilt and make them step away from the path of vengance, Enrica has returned from the grave as a ghost.
Arriving at the SWA and fully intending to give Jose and jean a right dressing down from being hung up on the past, the transparent girl realises she cannot bee seen by anyone...
Except two little girls with guns anemed after her. Not her idea of the ultmate weapon of kicking her brothers back into shape, but beggars can't be choosers.
Rico and Henrietta now have to help a restless ghost heal their handler's pain while not looking like they've lost their minds from conditioning.

Elsa the not so Friendly Ghost

Returning from beyond, Elsa has taken offence to a certain ex-ballet dancer taking uo residence in her old room. With flying furniture and posessed blood thirsty teddy bears, the girls flee the dorms as Elsa's ghost kicks up a massive fuss.
With the blame falling solely on Petra, the Second Stage Cyborg has to march into a haunted dorm, alone, and convince Elsa to leave peacefully.
Easier said then does especially of the reason Elsa is so pissed in the first place was a naked Lauro poster from the late handler's 'glory days' that Petra saw fit to put up.

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Post by Wileama on Wed 28 Nov 2007 - 10:32

I don't think your ever going to really run out of Idea's are you. I bet you could make a job out of this. I don't know how, but I bet you could.

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Post by Guest on Wed 28 Nov 2007 - 12:23

Smile A genuine bottomless well. "You would not discover the limits of the soul although you traveled every road: it has so deep a logos."

I like the Enrica ghost idea, although in Jean's imagination/delusion she wasn't all that friendly.

And the Claes Hide personality one fits well. I could definitely see Claes silently tortured by moralistic debates with herself, and the various aspects of her personality being manifested within her mind, maybe even projected into the external world.

Henrietta could make a pact with a demon to make Jose love her. Unfortunately, an innocent little thing like her wouldn't know that there is always a catch involved when you sign the devils papers with your blood. What hellish misfortunes will she bring down on the SWA through her fixation on making Jose reciprocate her feelings?

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Post by sasahara17 on Wed 28 Nov 2007 - 16:33

Well, Enrica would still be very... irratble. She wants to help her brothers but a short temper and two wide eyed, well meaning but 'slighty 'ncompetent minions' will test her patience. Besides, it was just Jean's delusion, his own mind playing tricks on him, so Enrica might actually be different. And death might have changed her.

Still running with the ghost idea. Just one more for the road.

Rememer the blundered attempt by two ghosts to scare the daylights out of some humans in Beetlejuice? Rember Syao trying to befriend her class in Negima? I give you...

Angie the much too friendly ghost.

After dying on the hospital bed, Angelica's spirit sticks around to see what happened to her loved ones after her death.
What she sees, does not please her.
They're moping around, greiving at her loss. Marco hasn't slept in days and is losing weight, the girls hardly smile anymore and Bianchi has buried himself in paperwork.
Now, Angie is a nice little girl, so she can't have that.
Uisng her new awesome poltergiest powers, Angie attempts to cheer up her friends...
...except they don't take well to flying dancing teddy bears (Triela), flickering lights and snow in summer, a twisted version of 'Moskau' playing over the PA system, moving photographs (Henrrietta) and paintings (Claes), and entire paragraphs from the 'Prince of Pasta' bieng written on the dorm walls in red paint (which they mistake for blood)...
...no they're downright terrified.
And Angie being Angie, dont' know what she's doing wrong. Upon seeing them screaming in fear, she doubles her efforts to cheer up her now fightened friends, which results in even Claes losing her fool and making for the hills.
Then to top it off, they call in a Vatican Exesorcist to 'exerocise the demon'.

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@sasahara17 wrote:Well, Enrica would still be very... irratble. She wants to help her
brothers but a short temper and two wide eyed, well meaning but
'slighty 'ncompetent minions' will test her patience. Besides, it was
just Jean's delusion, his own mind playing tricks on him, so Enrica
might actually be different. And death might have changed her.
Yeah, Jean's the type to heap blame on himself. Proubably thinks she hates him now. Convincing Jean that she has actually forgiven him might become Enrica's greatest problem.

[edit] Damn, I had a bit written up how Jean could misinterpret all kinds of signs, but I didn't read your whole post before responding and that's practically what you have going on in the Angelica idea.[/edit]

And then if she succeds what will happen to Jean's thrist for vengence?

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@sasahara17 wrote:Then to top it off, they call in a Vatican Exesorcist to 'exerocise the demon'.
The vatican actually has a special course offered to priests dealing with exorcisms.

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Post by sasahara17 on Wed 28 Nov 2007 - 17:53

Most religions do have exorcists, or their equivalents.

You'll be quite suprised at the more 'questionable buisness practices' that occur in Kuala Lumpur.
One Example, There are at least six I can recite off the top of my head, one is below.
One time a Lawyer friend of my father stood up in court and had his voice stolen from him. As long as he was in the court room, words would not leave his mouth. He had to get his junior to run the case since something was preventing him from speaking in court. It's supposed to a bit of an 'urban legend' among the law society in K.L.
That kind of thiong got me intrested in the supernatural. I've never seen this for myself, but alot of people Ive met affirm this.

Oh yeah, a Christian church got sued in Singapore for 'blotching' an exorcism. It was in the papers a few years back, I kid you not. The kid got traumatised after the demon/spirit/whatever was excosied and her parents were not happy about that. I don't kow about you guys, but that's qiote sad since they more or less did their jobs.
I'll take me a while to find the exact newspaper article, it was three years ago. bear with me for a moment.


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Post by sasahara17 on Wed 28 Nov 2007 - 17:55

EDIT;
After half an hour of scrounging around the net, Couldn't find the one I mentioned, but this is another one. Not as credible tho'.

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalnews/view/227489/1/html

Anyway, I'm sure many of these exorsisms go off without a hitch, it's the ones that were blotched up that get talked about.
There was a faily gruesome case in Australia where four famers slew a woman while trying to exorcise her. It was taken to court and the four farmers were convicted of Manslaughter. Urgh.

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Post by Nachtsider on Wed 28 Nov 2007 - 20:41

Exploring the possibility of Claes developing disassociative identity disorder would be interesting. But please - leave the damn glasses and the simplistic theory surrounding them firmly out of it. Klicks' suggestion about Claes being tortured by moralistic debates is much more accurate to the complexities surrounding her personality - Claes' subconscious promise to Raballo, along with her training to be a ruthless killing machine, might seperate themselves into two distinct personalities.

The ghost stories are fun, even if my faith does not subscribe to the idea of an afterlife. I particularly like the notion of Henrietta making a pact with demon to garner Giuseppe's affection, and would be overjoyed if the demon in question were Jason Blood/Etrigan of Blood of the Demon and Swamp Thing fame. Maybe we should also look into the notion that Elsa made such a deal with Etrigan, and that it was somehow botched, culminating in their deaths (remember, there is no guarantee that the scene of Elsa and Lauro in the park depicted in Episode Eleven unfolded as it did - perhaps some supernatural force coerced Elsa into commiting a murder-suicide).


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Pretty good...
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@sasahara17 wrote:Most religions do have exorcists, or their equivalents.
Tis true, but it's somewhat surprising in the modern Roman Catholic Church. It's also really surprising just how much of it goes on. It's pretty crazy that it can actually land in court and be settled. The case of the manslaughter is only natural, but the one about a failed exorcism is surprising.

Anyhow, there is tons of this stuff. Some hard to believe some less.

The third reich used a hell of a lot of occultism. The SS are actually two runes in the Norse alphabet reffering to strength or victory. Every Nazi official flag would be "consecrated" by being touched to a flag previously splattered with the blood of 7 of Hitlers supporters during his early (failed) attempt at taking power (I think this was in Austria, but this is tottaly unchecked. I'm don't have time for all the digging at the moment.) The swastica is a broken cross but also a reversed Hindu symbol for good fortune. The Allies actually had people in the intelligence service working on occult practices to try to exploit the fact that the nazis were using them so much. Ian Fleming (the guy who wrote the James Bond novels) was actually a member of the occult division of the British intelligence service.

Once you think about it it's not that surprising, but I certainly was surprised since these things tend to flow just below the surface.

@Nachtsider wrote:my faith does not subscribe to the idea of an afterlife
I think I should find a faith, sometimes. Logic is just a subservient tool for achieving a means, but what dictates the means? Beliefs. Science has always been interesting to me, but most often in the exact same way that myths are. The novelty and the system was what I was interested in. Their connection to the world has little value to me. In the end I convinced I believe something other then the average atheist. But, I can't quite define it and am very reluctant to give myself away to any foreign system of thought. So finding a system of beliefs will be hard.

*Notices spontaneous OT'ness* If I ever eat up too much space remember to tell me so. Something along the lines of: "Klicks, stop being an ass and leave some room on the frykyn' thread."

That said. My thoughts and feeling used to wander in the realm of the spiritual. I've been popping antidepressants for several months now. And hell they work, but they work like anesthetics at a dentists clinic. Your left with a dull numbness compared to what it used to be. I think the real moment when I realized I believe something was when I had a dream/vision/phantasy about a WW2 bettlefield on which I found or rather was found by this blonde woman. It doesn't sound particularly amazing, but at the time it was significant. What I got out of it was a certain message of trust. Trust in the world, faith, or whatever. Reading some of Jung's writings I immadiately made a connection to the archetype of the "anima". But, now I'm pretty sure it's something else. Another time is was a woman walking through a forest, at night, in a kimono. A hudge cinder black wolf stalked her for a period of time and then lunged at her out of the foliage. She turned in time to look into its eyes. There was a flicker recognition and she held out her arm. The wolf ripped it off with one snap of its jaws and immadiately devoured it, splattering blood on itself and the woman. But then it paused. The woman looked at it and said: "You took my arm, now you will replace it. Come." (don't remember the exact words this is the general idea) Turned, and walked away, the wolf trotting at her heel.

Things in the world and not in the world, always seem to take the form of a contract (an exchange) in fact communication or understanding is not possible without this, because you can only understand something if there is a bit of that thing in you and a bit of you in that thing. How can two things that have nothing in common have a semblance. Remember that even opposition is something that two things have to have in common. Opposites are far more connected then two random things.

Well... This is how long it took me to get to the question I actually wanted to ask. Nachtsider, from what I gathered from other posts you did not start of religious. What brought you to your belief system?

*Sorry, guys... I need to kill time untill I'm tiered enough to go to sleep.*

@Nachtsider wrote:But please - leave the damn glasses and the simplistic theory surrounding them firmly out of it.
The glasses can still take effect, it's just that confining the problem to just a simple mechanism of the glassess makes it shallow.

When you go someplace, for example, and feel good, or relaxed, or strained (say you like the style of a room and you feel sentimental in it). Sometimes you can pinpoint what it is other times you can't. On the bio/psychological side, what is happening is that an "anchor" has been fired. Because the whole nervous system is basically connections (associations), different thoughts, feelings, and emotions can be associated with a visual immage, a physical sensation, or a fragment of perception in any other sense. (although it most often happens for the leading sense) So, pressure applied to a particular point of the body in a particular way, a smell, a sound, etc. can trigger the chain of associations. In the right circumstances this can turn into all sorts of weird compulsions, and reactions. "NLP" is pretty interesting stuff. Take, a look if you're into things like this.

@Nachtsider wrote:The ghost stories are fun, even if my faith does not subscribe to the
idea of an afterlife. I particularly like the notion of Henrietta
making a pact with demon to garner Giuseppe's affection, and would be
overjoyed if the demon in question were Jason Blood/Etrigan of Blood of the Demon and Swamp Thing fame.
Maybe we should also look into the notion that Elsa made such a deal
with Etrigan, and that it was somehow botched, culminating in their
deaths (remember, there is no guarantee that the scene of Elsa and
Lauro in the park depicted in Episode Eleven unfolded as it did -
perhaps some supernatural force coerced Elsa into commiting a
murder-suicide).
Yeah, Elsa would be really good for this. She has the dark personality, the silent demanour, the overall dark atmosphere of her relationship with Lauro, and the somewhat uncertain death conditions.

As for the demon I was thinking of Mephistopheles or the devil himself. Have you read "The Master and Margarita" by Michal Bulchakow? I was thinking of something like that. It's a good book, I recomend it to everyone. I don't like a lot of the treatment that this type of thing gets in the West. The DND approach in which it is all banalized and drawn with a clear line, then superimposed onto the world like a sticker onto a photograph. Especially the East of Europe (but, often also in western Europe) it's all a lot more integrated into the culture, beliefs and reality. More along the lines of "Magical Realism" then "Fantasy". (I'm not talking about places other then Europe, US, and Canada since I have no experience of these cultures)

@ElfenMagix wrote:Pretty good...
I bet you yelll at your keyboard like Michealangelo
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Post by sasahara17 on Wed 28 Nov 2007 - 22:27

There's a thought. What if Elsa shot Lauro to fulfill some Demonic ritual or something like Nact suggested... and it actually worked? Sure her body is lying in the morgue, but she succeeded in... something.

Now it's up to our intrepid heroine Henrietta to figure out how to deal.

And speaking of demons and Henrietta, I'm formally announcing I'm writing a one-shot about the Handsome Men and Minight Carnival (who happen to have Demon Gods of Rock). Person WMA has given me the 'go-ahead' for now (it was orgininally a little skit I sent him for kicks).

Summary; Danielle of Handsome Blue becomes a groupie for Midnight Carnival without realizing their percussionist goes by the name Jeremy Colt. She find out four days before they're due for a big concert. What's a groupie to do?

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sasahara wrote:There's a thought. What if Elsa shot Lauro to fulfill some Demonic ritual or something like Nact suggested... and it actually worked? Sure her body is lying in the morgue, but she succeeded in... something.

Now it's up to our intrepid heroine Henrietta to figure out how to deal.
This is beggining to fit the Lovecraft style more and more.

ps - just had this thought. Can someone tell me what OOC stands for. I know that OC is original character, but what about the other one.

@sasahara17 wrote:And speaking of demons and Henrietta, I'm formally announcing I'm writing a one-shot about the Handsome Men and Minight Carnival
I'll be waiting for it.

All these ideas floating around adn developing make me want to write up the image that was floating around in my mind; the Henrietta/demon thing. Heh, I'm a dry well as far as inspiration/motivation is concerned, but other people can often make it work.

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Post by ElfenMagix on Wed 28 Nov 2007 - 23:07

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@sasahara17 wrote:Most religions do have exorcists, or their equivalents.
Tis true, but it's somewhat surprising in the modern Roman Catholic Church. It's also really surprising just how much of it goes on. It's pretty crazy that it can actually land in court and be settled. The case of the manslaughter is only natural, but the one about a failed exorcism is surprising.
For Christians, it always had been the Roman Catholic Church that did excorisms. Only until has other factions of the Catholic started doing them like the Evangelicals. But Prodestants preists still send possession victims to the Roman Church.

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Post by Wileama on Wed 28 Nov 2007 - 23:43

@Nachtsider wrote:Exploring the possibility of Claes developing disassociative identity disorder would be interesting. But please - leave the damn glasses and the simplistic theory surrounding them firmly out of it.

I was always under the impression that the Dr. Jeckel story in part revolved around that transformation from the man to the monster. That transformation was accomplished through a simple drinking of a potion. Dr. Jeckel couldn't just stop himself when he was Mr. Hyde. The potion had to wear off, or he had to drink a counter potion. He was trapped as Hyde, that was part of the story. In the same way you need to trap Claes as Fedra. You need that mechanism to sharply divide the two personalities. The glasses are it in that regard. Okay maybe you don't have to divide the two personalities, but that's really is a core part of Dr. Jeckel, and Mr. Hyde. Not doing that makes it a very different kind of story.

The Claes that exists in the anime is more complicated then simply taking off her glasses. That's the thing thought, this wouldn't be the same character we know in the anime. She really would be two different people, struggling between the two of them. The glasses would help serve an important story telling tool for that kind of a character. In the anime Claes is one person, she's conflicted, but she's clearly one personality. The story of Dr. Jeckel is all about giving that dark side of you substance, making it a person unto itself, and having to contend with that person, with yourself. This is fanfiction, some times you have to mess with the universe, and characters a little to tell the story.

3klicks wrote:I think I should find a faith, sometimes. Logic is just a subservient tool for achieving a means, but what dictates the means? Beliefs. Science has always been interesting to me, but most often in the exact same way that myths are. The novelty and the system was what I was interested in. Their connection to the world has little value to me. In the end I convinced I believe something other then the average atheist. But, I can't quite define it and am very reluctant to give myself away to any foreign system of thought. So finding a system of beliefs will be hard.
I had a falling out with the Roman Catholic Chruch a while back. I never really felt like I knew this god everyone was talking about. I was tired of being told I was going to hell for playing with myself. I was tired of what I saw as old men with to much money, and power abusing their positions. It's weird though. I still find myself talking to god some days. I don't know much any more where I really stand on religion. However I find that some of the greatest wisdom I've ever had the pleasure of hearing in that regards come from a movie called Dogma. I don't know that I'll ever return to an organized religion. I don't know that I'll ever have some personal relationship with god. What ever happens though, I'm content with the fact that I'm closer to who I am. That I listen to what my heart, and maybe my soul, has to say. Thats enough for me.

3klicks wrote:*Notices spontaneous OT'ness* If I ever eat up too much space remember to tell me so. Something along the lines of: "Klicks, stop being an ass and leave some room on the frykyn' thread."
Don't worry so much about structure, some times you just have to go with the flow of life.

3klicks wrote:That said. My thoughts and feeling used to wander in the realm of the spiritual. I've been popping antidepressants for several months now.
Ah, antidepressants. Something I never took, because that would mean I lied to my recruiter, and that would be considered a crime under false enlistment. I did have a friend who took them though. He, and I are real close.

Depression was hard for him. I think for a while he was afraid it really would be the end of him. He told me though, that in the end it really comes down to your outlook. Out look can be difficult to change. Some times the situation around you make it difficult. Other times it means changing who you are as a person. It's not easy, but he said that was really the turning point for him. I've known a few depressed people in my life. I've noticed it's not the same between people. However there are a few things that are always the same. Things like knowing there is someone out there who cares. Being able to talk about it. Friends, and family, people who would miss you if you where gone. Get out into the world, and enjoy life.

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3klicks wrote:ps - just had this thought. Can someone tell me what OOC stands for. I know that OC is original character, but what about the other one.
Out Of Character.

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Wileama's post about Hyde
Now that I tink about it you're right. The sharp seperation is important for the story. (from what I know of the Hyde story, haven't read it)

Claes can still have a lot of mental debates with herself about the issue. I'm not sure what Hydes thoughts about the matter were, but Claes, being an introverted person, would likely weigh the considerations in her mind while not telling anyone of the dyllema. I guess that in itself would be problematic. Do you tell someone that you are the cause of whatever tragedy a Hyde personality may have caused.

Wileama's post about faith
I'm very much about finding out what I believe as an individual, but it takes a lot of will-power and dedication to chisel out your own beliefs and to sustain them; and a lot of guts to commit yourself to something that is entierly yours. So, sometimes I think that if I could just latch on to some organized religion it would make things easier. Many religions aren't very strict as to rules, so they provide a skeleton in which you can figure youself out.

I think Roman Catholicism is the one that insists most on the connection to god being through priests, but the other churches seem to be a lot more about a personal connection (The Protestants, since that's the only one beside Roman that I know anything about).

@Wileama wrote:I still find myself talking to god some days.
I imagine it must be similar to the whole "trust" thing I was talking about. The feeling that it's not just you against the whole world. There's something on your side as well.

@Wileama wrote:Ah, antidepressants. Something I never took, because that would mean I
lied to my recruiter, and that would be considered a crime under false
enlistment. I did have a friend who took them though. He, and I are
real close.

Depression was hard for him. I think for a while he
was afraid it really would be the end of him. He told me though, that
in the end it really comes down to your outlook. Out look can be
difficult to change. Some times the situation around you make it
difficult. Other times it means changing who you are as a person. It's
not easy, but he said that was really the turning point for him. I've
known a few depressed people in my life. I've noticed it's not the same
between people. However there are a few things that are always the
same. Things like knowing there is someone out there who cares. Being
able to talk about it. Friends, and family, people who would miss you
if you where gone. Get out into the world, and enjoy life.
I would like to think I'm over the top of the hill now. It's just that getting back to what would be considered normal takes way more time then I would like.

What you're saying is very true. The hardest thing for me as far as changing my outlook on life is admitting that I am partially, maybe even mostly, responsible. People (well, I don't know about people in general, but I do) tend to get fixated on ways of living, or ideas, or goals, and then they torture themselves, by not letting go when it really doesn't make sense anymore. I would like to blame it all on Canada, school, travlling and the like, but that's proubably not going to solve anything.

@Wileama wrote:
If you ever want to talk to him, drop me a line, and I'll put you two in contact.
Thanks. I'll keep that in mind in case I start falling down again. I've gotten a lot of advice, but a person who has real experience is proubably best in a situation like that.

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Figured I owed the thread to return to topic:

@sasahara17 wrote:There's a thought. What if Elsa shot Lauro to fulfill some Demonic ritual or something like Nact suggested... and it actually worked? Sure her body is lying in the morgue, but she succeeded in... something.

Now it's up to our intrepid heroine Henrietta to figure out how to deal.

And speaking of demons and Henrietta, I'm formally announcing I'm writing a one-shot about the Handsome Men and Minight Carnival (who happen to have Demon Gods of Rock). Person WMA has given me the 'go-ahead' for now (it was orgininally a little skit I sent him for kicks).

Summary; Danielle of Handsome Blue becomes a groupie for Midnight Carnival without realizing their percussionist goes by the name Jeremy Colt. She find out four days before they're due for a big concert. What's a groupie to do?

I'm working on the demon thing. As ususal for me I doubt it will have much plot or be anything more then a one-shot, but I think I can get the idea down pretty well. I considered going for comedy, but I'm really not much good at that.

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Post by sasahara17 on Thu 29 Nov 2007 - 18:13

Just woke up. Read the Lighter Side before catching fourty winks.

And thought of this. Remember that movie starring Tim Allen?

The Santa Claus, Croche Style.

It's Christmas Eve, and Rico went off to the kitchen to get a midnight snack. On her way there, she notices an intruder on the premesis, a big fat bearded old guy in red with a brown sack on his back, and promptly beats him to death thinking he's a terrorist intruder. When she tires to report the incident in with Jean the she finds that the body is gone.
Oh well, what's done is done. Maybe she just dreampt it up or something. Rico blissfully goes back to sleep.
No presents are under the christmas trees for half the globe that year.
Hovever come Febuary, Jean begins to put on weight. Like ten pounds a day until he's nice and round. His hair starts turns white. He starts magically acquiring an overnight beard every morning by June. Then he is kidnapped by little people in green and taken to the North Pole by October.
You know what happens from there.
See Jean? It's not a good idea to teach your cyborg to beat up Santa Claus.
And throw in Angie on the 'Nice' list just for fun. And put Pino on the 'Naughty' list, and make his present Triela (in a box) armed with her Win 1897 (also in the box). I'm sure she'll be more than happy to stay in that box for a night if she can see the poor guys face when he opens it.

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Sasahara wrote:You know what happens from there.
Rico goes on an Elf/Reindeer killing spree? Sounds fun.

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Post by ElfenMagix on Thu 29 Nov 2007 - 18:51

@LoC978 wrote:
Sasahara wrote:You know what happens from there.
Rico goes on an Elf/Reindeer killing spree? Sounds fun.
HEY! LEAVE ME OUT OF THIS!
I HAVE NO AFFILIATION WITH THAT FAT MAN IN THE RED SUIT!!!

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Post by Guest on Thu 29 Nov 2007 - 20:15

@LoC978 wrote: Rico goes on an Elf/Reindeer killing spree? Sounds fun.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVhBAz50obc

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Post by sasahara17 on Fri 30 Nov 2007 - 4:28

Actually I was thinking of how Rico tries to storm the Noth Pole to retrieve her handler, and accidentally shoots Jean whinking he's Santa Claus as an ending...

Twisted and evil.

Maybe we should make Hillshire become Saint Nick after Triela blats him with the shotgun? And for kicks, make Triela become his Mrs Santa?

Don't worry Elfen, you're and Author, which automatically makes you bullet proof thanks to plot armor.

Anyway, Back to our horror story discussion. Somehow my thoughts on this Lovecraft thing became rather twisted as the day wore on.

Hent*i Gunslinger Girl

As Elsa dies the ritual is complete. She summons big tentacle monster demon thing intent to heralding the end of the world. It will make a 'paradise' for her and Lauro to live in when the demon ressurects them as the new 'adam' and 'eve' to populate a 'new world' with the spawn of evil (twisted).
Naturally it's up to the girls to stop this big tentacle demon thing while keeping their clothes intact and save all that is good and modest.
Cue crazy chase sequnces, Hillshire with a nose bleed that makes the Nigara Falls look like a running tap, the Croche bros flipping out when the demobn thing tires to violate the modesty of their little sisters (Jean will flip out, He's a big softie on the inside remember?) and going Bruce Cambell on it's ass(es), and Angie blissfully unaware of the apocaypse mappeing outside her hospital room as Mighty Marco fends of the Tenticle thing with a matchstick.

...

Tentacle monster thing. Right.

I've finally gone off the deep end.

...

Triela and the Army of Darkness

No idea how this will work, but I've manged to get the image of Triela with a chainsaw module cortesy of Bainchi installed into her arms with her Win 1897 ready to roll agasinst skeleton undead.

Triela; "This. Is. My. Boomstick!"

It's pump action tho', so it'll never work.

Of course, she can use Hillshire's vehicle as her awesome vehicle of death.

I'm high on painkillers and red bull right now and have a massive salivary gland infection on the side of my head, so don't mind me.

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Post by sasahara17 on Fri 30 Nov 2007 - 9:08

...

Post Apocapyptic Future

...

The grand cliche plot device arrives!

One
of the girls volunteers/is selected for a special procedure that will
put her in a time capsule esquire thing for some reason in cryogenic
suspention (Angie, freeze her so that she can wait for a 'cure' to
reverse her degration, Claes becuase she's the guniea pig, and so on).
It's meant to be only a few days to a few years depending on the
reason, so they go have a bit of a sleep...

...and wake up
anywhere from a decade to a century later, the world in ruins and their
body enhanced beyond what they went ton sleep with. After that it's
anyone's idea where the story will go.

Here are some of mine.

Five Years; The Countess of Sicily, Henrietta Croche
Inspired
by Danjo 3's Crossing the Bridge'. Our heroine awakens to find the SWA
disbanded and that the world has moved on without her. 'Forgotten' in
the lab becuase of some clerical error resulting her caposule being
stuck in some warehouse, she is the only cyborg that retains her
memories because her sisters have been brainwashed and given 'real
familes'. After doing the toor and seeing what has happened to everone,
our heroine eventually gets caught up in a conspiracy when of one her
sisters wasn't as brainwashed as everyone tought, and is out for
vengance against the people that 'toyed with their lives'. Having made
her peace with the SWA commanders, our heroine cannot let this stand.
It's a battle of the cyborgs with clueless ex-assassins looking on in
horror at the flying lead.

Note - The handler is the one to wake her up having finally found her capsule after endless searching.

A Ten Years; Mega Man Triela
Stuck
ten years in the future where the FR succeeded in overturning the
government and installed a dystopian society, the GSG is the
resistance's last best hope for restoring democratic giovernemnt and
bring back freedom and justice for all while piling up the body count
while she is at it. Many of the freedom fighters are ex-SWA, inclusing
maybe one of her 'aged' soon to die sisters.

A Hundred Years; Rico's Roughnecks (Starship Trooper style)

Our
heroine wakes up in a icy world after global warming as ushered in the
next ice age. However humanity is now preyed upon by giant bug like
things, and it is up to the heroine to use her cyborg abilities to
become a leader of a band of ragtag survivors and find some semblance
of civilisation in this frozen world.... or forge one. It's 'starship
tropper'/'lost planet' action with the added twist of refounding human
civilisation in a post apocayptic world. Make it one big grand campaign
spreading over a few years and you have an epic. And what happens if
she find out several other cyborgs (her sisters) have also been
preserved in the same manner and are also out there looking for shelter
in this damned world?

Note- Alternative story is a 'Mad Max' or a 'Waterworld' type enviroment.

A Thousand Years; Saint Claes and the Dragon
Our
heroine wakes up in the medieval ages. Or hwat she thinks is the
medieval ages, which is actually a product of humanity blasting
civilisation back to the stone age in a nuclear war and having to start
over. As the pinnicale of human science and still having her guns for
some reason (and perhaps an entire armory of weapons if her stay is to
be an extended one) , the heroine can go on any number of adventures in
a world where radioactivity from the war has spawned creatures like
dragons and... well... mutant creatures. Soon legends of her heroism
and power spread and her name bacomes added to those of the legends of
old... And perhaps she can even find a way to get back 'home' with one
of the left over relics of the past.

Note - Heroine might be stuck in a society where females are not regarded very well. Maybe she gets tried for as a witch?

Ten Thousand Years; Angie and the Planet of the Apes
Our
heroine awakens in a world where Humanity has evolved into two distinct
species and one has dominace over the other. Viewed as a messiah by the
supressed, our heroine has a big problem. somehow, she realises this
seperation was caused by the research into Cyborg teach, and puts it
upon herself to solve this disparity. It also helps if the leaders of
the two factions exactly resemble people she once knew in the SWA (eg.
Claes and Triela leading the humans and the cyborg factios
respectively) to their apperaeance, slightest mannerism, and names.

Note
the title names aren't indications of who should be the character stuck
in the situation, but more of a spoof of the existing titles I based
the senario's on.

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Post by Guest on Fri 30 Nov 2007 - 15:13

Here's a few, not really even complete ideasa, just seeds:

The gunslinger girls are deactivated and preserved in a "crypt" "Fallout" style. They are found and reactivated, at which point their loyaly program kicks in making the first person they see their handler. This may cause some very strange people to suddenly gain a superweapon in this post-nukelear world.
The handlers might work out something like this:
Triela - mafia boss, controling one of the wrecked cities. Takes a real liking to Triela, who resembles his daughter (lost in the whole nuclar mess, thing, or otherwise). He's training her ot be his successor. But, lately he has fallen ill, so Triela must keep the roudy mafia boys in check and prevent her handler's outfit from falling appart. Within the organization there are plenty of people who see the illness of the old man as a sign that their time has come, and many more who refuse to be led by a little girl. But, if they underestimate her, they will be seriously sorry.
Henrietta - young boy... don't know much else. This young boy had just gained increadible power, but it's a double-edged sword. Will he be able to handle the mad conditioned-affection of this dangerous little girl. In a situation where every misunderstanding can result in death, he had better sharpen his communication skills pronto.
Rico - ex-intelligence officer, got a decent shot of the radiation, which, combined with the fact that he already knew a lot that most people don't know, sent him into a strange frame of mind. It's not certain whether he is a Don-quixote intending to save the world, a mad priest of a new religion, or an evil genius intending to take over the world. Maybe all at once or depending on his mood. Nights with the fool moon make him feel nostalgic and he always thinks up some complicated sheme for those occasions. Good, evil, mischevious, helpful, or just for kicks, who knows. One thing is certain Rico will follow him in any and all of his crazy endevours with a big smile on her face and a "Yes, Sir!" (Where else will she find someone to show and tell her so many new things, and get her to use her precious body in so many different ways) [that last part sounded wrong, I know]
Claes - An old scientist with plenty of knowledge and ambitious plans for the world, but he never even tries to realize anything he has thought up. Claes, however, will be intent on putting his dreamed up inventions/world changes into practice... But, will the scientist really be satisfied with the result of his abstract notions being put into practice?
Angelica - She is found by the high priest of a deeply religious tribe of the desert, who recognizes a long lost prophet/goddess in her. She becomes the queen of these strange people. Due to radiation her memory loss becomes occassional and flashes back and forth instead of simply forgetting. This is a plus, but she also has strange visions and dreams; and the strange religious suroundings which themselves resemble a dream do not help the matter. Her ever fluctuating state of mind (gaining/loosing memories, having dreams and visons), provides for an interesting life for the people of the desert.


Another idea is GSG in space. HUmanity has moved on, and now it's battles are fought in space colonies and the empty void itself. The girls are now used for zero-gravity warfare. This one is just a stub.

p.s. - Sasahara, good luck with that infection. Get better soon. Oh, and eat plenty of asprin. Asprin is my answer to everything.

p.s.2- I should have known that mentioning Cthulu would bring us to loli tentacle sex...

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