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Post by emperor on Tue 13 Nov 2007 - 7:47

They got snipe from far away and didn't die yet.

Both eyes are full of bulllets inside mix with tear from pain and blood from their own blind eyes.

How long they die without eyes to see anymore and what their handler do when seeing his cyborg going BLIND!!??

Poor girl...study

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Post by LoC978 on Tue 13 Nov 2007 - 8:58

*shrug* just replace the eyes.
I wrote:
here
as for armored eyelids... I think it's far more likely that they would make an almost completely closed-in armored skull with holes only a few microns in diameter for optical nerves, with maybe a hinged access point or two. That way they could take a bullet to the eye, and all you'd have to do is replace the eye and repair whatever superficial damage was caused to the skin around it.
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...and probaby replace a chunk of the skull, since it would most likely dent or even collapse the nerve tunnel. that would actually require some extensive repairs... but at least she'd be alive.

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Post by sasahara17 on Tue 13 Nov 2007 - 9:06

Assuming that the bullet doesn't somehow imbed itself in
their grey matter and kill them outright, it'll take a quite a bit to permanently
render a cyborg blind seeing as how they seem to have developed
'cybernetic/artificial eyes' for the girls (Henrietta Vol. 1, before she was
turned into a cyborg had bandages was covering her left(?) eye) and could
replace them as many times as they want.

One possibility is the bullet grazing the brain, not enough to kill but enough
to do permanent damage. Unlikely but a possibility.



But that's beside the point. This thread is for fun.



Okay, the girl's permanently blind, no amount of fix-its will work. Saved by
enraged handler and/or cyborg squad mates, I see this happening after they
finally stabilize her;



Henrietta-Jose would be absolutely beside himself. He wouldn't leave her side,
he'd fight tooth and nail to keep her from being 'euthanized' if they want her
dead because of the financial upkeep, he'd work tirelessly to find a way to
help her...



Triela-See Henrietta, except their ;complicated' relationship might make things
weird.



Rico-Either... (1) "Doctor, retire Rico and find me a replacement by this
Monday. Now, I have paperwork to do." or (2) -sees Rico lying there, hallucinates
and sees his sister Enrika lying there instead, ???-



Claes-She's never canonically out in the field and Raballo is... deceased. But
if she did incur such an injury, the scientists will probably either retire her
or change the experiments... "How well does subject Claes fight in the dark?".
Unlikely but might open up a while new line of research.



Angie-Probably retired, unless Marco wakes up and has a change of heart, then
see Henrietta.



Petrushka - Does Allessendo love her enough? If so... well, he might just take
her home with him... or... oh god why did I just think –hospital s**-! Bad
Sasahara, Bad! –Slaps self-



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Post by LoC978 on Tue 13 Nov 2007 - 9:27

@sasahara17 wrote:Rico-Either... (1) "Doctor, retire Rico and find me a replacement by this
Monday. Now, I have paperwork to do." or (2) -sees Rico lying there, hallucinates
and sees his sister Enrika lying there instead,
(3)???
(4)Profit!

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Post by Nachtsider on Tue 13 Nov 2007 - 13:13

I have a very interesting visual of a blinded cyborg getting his/her eyes replaced by electronic 'eyes' with filters that would allow for infra-red night vision, and a built-in 'zoom' function permitting sniping without a scope.
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Post by rusty-spring on Tue 13 Nov 2007 - 15:07

@Nachtsider wrote:I have a very interesting visual of a blinded cyborg getting his/her eyes replaced by electronic 'eyes' with filters that would allow for infra-red night vision, and a built-in 'zoom' function permitting sniping without a scope.

If they had artificial eyes that could do that, then wouldn't it make sense to replace all the cyborgs' eyes? Not just the blinded ones? At least that's what I'd do. Razz
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Post by Nachtsider on Tue 13 Nov 2007 - 15:28

From what I gather, the cyborgs' eyesight - like their hearing - is already enhanced to a degree that surpasses that of ordinary people. It always surprised me that they still used scopes for sniping in canon.

As for the filters I spoke of, the only plausible in-story explanation I can think of is that the technology to make those things hasn't yet been perfected in the Gunslinger Girl universe. Perhaps third-generation cyborgs might have these gadgets.
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Post by Wileama on Tue 13 Nov 2007 - 16:47

I think it would be hard to permanently render a cyborg blind. Though I could see a crazy shoot passing from one side of the skull to the other, destroying both eyes at once. So their blind, and still have at least one opponent. Sounds like the making of a bad day. I could see a story about handler pulling along a blinded cyborg, while being chased by the Pandia.

If I'm not mistaken there have been a few cases where blindness is due to a physiological trauma. Not as easy to fix as surgery for a pair of eyes. Well maybe some conditioning would fix it it. There would be a cost to be sure, how much of the girl would you lose? How much time did you just take off her life? That could be another story, A race to help a Girl through the trauma before the agency just hits the rest button.

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Post by ElfenMagix on Tue 13 Nov 2007 - 19:02

Being visually impaired (over sensitivitiy to light), blindness is not an issue here. When Triela lost 1 eye to Pino, the SWA-Section 2 doctors replaced it. When Claes underwent her cyborg metamorphisis, both her eyes were 'fixed' since she was blind enough to need glasses.

So, that part is repairable.
What the cyborg has to do, like any other blind person, is follow the voice of their handlers until they do get repairs done.

So, whats the issue?
Unless- its still an ongoing mission, and they get lost or still in combat and lose both eyes and can no longer fight? Lay Down and Play Dead! Somebody will go out to find them when they are discovered as MIA.

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Post by Wileama on Tue 13 Nov 2007 - 20:39

I suppose I might not have been terribly clear in my pervious post. Eyes can be replaced, and most likely so can the optic nerve to a point. So permanently blinding a cyborg is near impossible. Brian damage sounds like the only real option. Though you'll be unbelievable lucky to have it be limited to only being blind.

I was suggesting that in the middle of a fire fight a bullet destroys the eyes, and damages the skull, but leaves the brain alone. Playing dead at this point will be problematic. It will take the girl a few moments of stumbling around to realize what is wrong with her eyes. Just going ahead and laying down at that point isn't going to fool anyone. Even if it does, smart villains are known for making sure their enemies are dead. You know head shots, and emptying clip into people, and the like.

Becoming blind in the middle of a fire fight is a very scary idea. We are sight based, we don't function well without. Withdrawing form a couple of enemies with a wounded comrade is no walk in the park. Especially if it is a single Fratello. Even if there are other friendlies in the area, baring them being right next to the blind girl. It's going to give you a few interesting moments.

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Post by ElfenMagix on Tue 13 Nov 2007 - 23:35

Speak for yourselves :lol!:

Since I'm just 1 camera flash or some idiot knocking my dark glasses off my face to loose what I got in a bright flash, I'm prepared for to be blind when it happens... as long as its not on I-95, doing 3 triple digits on the speedo. P:

Blindness is not such a handicap that people make it out to be. Sure- one sense is gone, but the others make up for the loss, and one has to adopt to it. Its a matter of getting used to it.

Worst, is loosing one's hearing. But as many of my deaf friends tell me, its the same philosophy one take as I do to my 'Blindness'. But one thing I have noticed: females have a better time in adjusting to a handicaps than do males.

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Post by Nachtsider on Tue 13 Nov 2007 - 23:52

Really, now?
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Post by ElfenMagix on Wed 14 Nov 2007 - 0:20

In dealing with kids of all age levels, epecially the handicap ones in my teaching career, I have always noticed that the boys have always been angry and have this "Why Me" mentality to their handicap before considering treatment/thearpy/education for their situation, while the girls would try to work hard in getting themselves better into being normal despite their handicaps thus are more willing to accept treatments/thearpies/education for that cause.

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Post by Wileama on Wed 14 Nov 2007 - 21:38

@ElfenMagix wrote:Blindness is not such a handicap that people make it out to be. Sure- one sense is gone, but the others make up for the loss, and one has to adopt to it. Its a matter of getting used to it.
This is true. However in the middle of a fire fight is not the best time to be getting use to being blind. With Shell casings on the ground I would expect the girl to fall at least once. She's going to become completely disoriented real quick. She'll forget which way she's facing, she'll quickly become lost if she tries to move by herself. The best thing she could do is hunker down behinds some cover, and shoot at the sounds of her enemy. However she'll be in serious trouble none the less. That's all I'm saying, that immediate fire fight will be very dangerous.

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Post by Nachtsider on Wed 14 Nov 2007 - 21:41

Given their enhanced hearing, I can imagine that using the sounds of the enemy's weapons to get target fixes is something that cyborgs wouldn't have any trouble doing.
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Post by ElfenMagix on Wed 14 Nov 2007 - 21:54

@Nachtsider wrote:Given their enhanced hearing, I can imagine that using the sounds of the enemy's weapons to get target fixes is something that cyborgs wouldn't have any trouble doing.
Only if they are trained in triangulating on sounds. Though our brains do it automatically, but focusing on that ability many people lack.

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Post by Nachtsider on Wed 14 Nov 2007 - 21:56

Sometimes, I wonder if I'm giving the cyborgs too much credit - especially in my fanfiction. I have them doing all kinds of stuff from shrugging off FN MAG bullets to cracking safe combinations without the aid of listening devices.
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Post by Wileama on Wed 14 Nov 2007 - 22:03

I suppose that would make it easier for them to adjust. Still though there could marble column between her and the target, and the girl would never now it. With the loud blasts of gunfire, it could be hard to hear quitter things like people moving to out flank her. Besides I think there is a difference between being able to hear something, and being able to tell where it is. At least the level of accuracy where you could shot them.

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Post by LoC978 on Wed 14 Nov 2007 - 22:27

@Nachtsider wrote:Sometimes, I wonder if I'm giving the cyborgs too much credit - especially in my fanfiction. I have them doing all kinds of stuff from shrugging off FN MAG bullets to cracking safe combinations without the aid of listening devices.
I always felt that those abilities are a tad over the top, but...We all have our own views on their capabilities. Only Yu Aida can say for certain which are closest to his vision...
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Post by ElfenMagix on Wed 14 Nov 2007 - 22:36

@Nachtsider wrote:Sometimes, I wonder if I'm giving the cyborgs too much credit - especially in my fanfiction. I have them doing all kinds of stuff from shrugging off FN MAG bullets to cracking safe combinations without the aid of listening devices.
Consider their abilities as the best humanly trained individual because of their enhancements.
Then give them experience and learned abilities. That is how I am dealing with it in my fanfict.

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Post by Nachtsider on Wed 14 Nov 2007 - 22:39

I suppose this approach of mine comes from starting to write fanfiction way too early in the game, before further information became available. I began immediately after finishing the anime in late 2004, and it was only when later issues of the manga became available that I realized I might have been deviating from established fact. Not sure if a retcon might still be possible - the pit I've dug for myself seems fairly deep...
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Post by ElfenMagix on Wed 14 Nov 2007 - 22:52

Its all good. I started when I completed watching the Anime completely and tried to base it on that. It was when I posted the first 2 chapters on FF.net and found you guys, did I get everything else and downloaded the mangas and did more research based on the package as a whole... Adjustements were made. Now its approaching 32 chapters with no end in sight!

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Post by emperor on Thu 15 Nov 2007 - 2:00

Now its approaching 32 chapters with no end in sight!

Wish it don't have an END!!

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Post by ElfenMagix on Thu 15 Nov 2007 - 10:50

You like it that much?
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@LoC978 wrote:I always felt that those abilities are a tad over the top, but...We all have our own views on their capabilities. Only Yu Aida can say for certain which are closest to his vision...

I suppose I can always play the 'my stories take place in an alternate universe' card, and everything will henceforth be forgiven.

When it all comes down to it, however, I think I can safely say that I'm the only one here who doesn't screw with the original series' continuity. All my fics are written in such a way that they can be streamed into the canon's timeline without altering anything.
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Post by LoC978 on Thu 15 Nov 2007 - 12:38

@Nachtsider wrote:When it all comes down to it, however, I think I can safely say that I'm the only one here who doesn't screw with the original series' continuity. All my fics are written in such a way that they can be streamed into the canon's timeline without altering anything.
that's how I try to write mine... kinda why my characters play fairly minor roles within the Social Welfare Agency.

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Post by Nachtsider on Thu 15 Nov 2007 - 12:45

Looks like ya just proved me wrong, LoC.

Gimme five.
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Post by LoC978 on Thu 15 Nov 2007 - 12:54

*tries to give ya five, but misses*
(I actually do that a lot in real life... I've always had more of an affinity for tools/weapons than my own two hands...)

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Post by Nachtsider on Thu 15 Nov 2007 - 12:58

My hands are my livelihood. I've gotta slice and dice stuff up in the morgue, and do lots of delicate work in the laboratories.
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Post by Guest on Fri 30 Nov 2007 - 23:41

I was surprised nobody mentioned the fact that eye transplants are as easy as kidney transplants these days. Loose an eye? Get an eye doner. Done. Need some good eyes? Find a dead person with 15/15 vision. User now has 15/15 vision.

I give credit to your work, Nachtsider, about using the girl's abilities creatively, don't pound yourself for writing about the girls and giving them too much credit.

The only thing I had a problem with, that I did flinch on, was their stamina you gave them in Iraq (when they rescued those two downed pilots, and then resumed their mission)... and taking AK-47 bullets having them all bounce off like they were shooting tanks, they jumped in the way just in time. Those were the details I had a hard time swallowing.

Using their enhanced hearing to crack open a safe is just brilliant.

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Post by Nachtsider on Fri 30 Nov 2007 - 23:49

Where the cyborgs are concerned, Colonel, it's not so much the worry about losing eyes to bullets as the worry about those bullets punching through the eyes and hitting the important stuff situated behind them.

Thanks for the compliments. When I started off writing my stories, I had nothing to work on but the anime, and worked solely on what I saw, thinking: "If those girls can take headshots to no effect, listen to whispered conversations from afar and leap off battlements unharmed, they can do anything." I also opine that the cyborgs have a lot of potential, which goes virtually undeveloped throughout canon. But yeah - in light of the things revealed in later installments of the series, stopping magazines of Kalashnikov bullets without even flinching does seem a little extreme.

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@Nachtsider wrote:Where the cyborgs are concerned, Colonel, it's not so much the worry
about losing eyes to bullets as the worry about those bullets punching
through the eyes and hitting the important stuff situated behind them.
I didn't read the thread throughly, but it started with the idea of a cyborg going blind (the thread title), so I guess Marksman was responding to that. Although, it's rather hard to be shot in the eye and not killed, no less if you are shot in both eyes. As far as replacing the eyes, Triela lost one of hers, and she's back to normal, so it doesn't seem to be a problem.

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@Colonel Marksman wrote:I was surprised nobody mentioned the fact that eye transplants are as easy as kidney transplants these days. Loose an eye? Get an eye doner. Done. Need some good eyes? Find a dead person with 15/15 vision. User now has 15/15 vision.

Lets clear the confusion on this...

Eyes are too complex to transplant, though with glass eyes, you can get them to move like a regular eye, the issue is the connection to the optic nerve. Too many connections and no two connection patters are the same from person to person.

There is a common proceedure of Cornea Transplants, that does restore sight to those inflicted with damaged corneas.

As for Triela, the SWA is technologically advanced to give her bionic eyes, which they gave to all the cyborgs when they were converted. These eyes are artifical organs by nature, and do get damaged, but they are replaceable. It would be a organic analog to an artifical retina.

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Post by Kiskaloo on Sat 1 Nov 2008 - 20:22

@Nachtsider wrote:I have a very interesting visual of a blinded cyborg getting his/her eyes replaced by electronic 'eyes' with filters that would allow for infra-red night vision, and a built-in 'zoom' function permitting sniping without a scope.

In my OC fiction I assume the girls have infrared photoreceptors in their eyes which allow them to see in the dark using infrared flashlights.

As for the 20.2:1 zoom function, I don't know how small you can make such a device, especially with the focal length of a human eye.
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Post by ElfenMagix on Sat 1 Nov 2008 - 21:21

Considering that Triela lost an eye to Pino, and it seems to have been replaced, their eyes may not be natural after all. That would explain why they dont blink as much in the anime series (at least once every 30 second) nor does certain situations where one would squint or shed their eyes, theirs are wide open.

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theirs are wide open

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Post by West Nile on Thu 20 Nov 2008 - 11:16

@ElfenMagix wrote:Considering that Triela lost an eye to Pino, and it seems to have been replaced, their eyes may not be natural after all. That would explain why they dont blink as much in the anime series (at least once every 30 second) nor does certain situations where one would squint or shed their eyes, theirs are wide open.

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Post by John_234 on Wed 27 Jun 2012 - 4:35

Our eyes actually are pretty nice. Much like humans themselves, human eyes are not the best at night vision, like an owl or cat, or at far-off vision like an eagle. They're just pretty good at everything - they can pivot, unlike an owl, see in color, unlike many animals, and function to a limited extent in night time while being good at day. We struggle to make artificial lenses half as good as human eyes - at the general purpose role we employ them in, anyway.

As far as canon goes, we know a 9mm handgun with ball ammunition from close range can penetrate with enough force for a kill. We don't know if it's an instant kill but given how tough they are it must be relatively quick. IMHO, this is simply a result of human structure - the wall behind the eyes themselves is very thin. No matter what you made it out of, it's unlikely they'd stop a bullet. Combat eyewear today mainly deflects shotgun pellets, shrapnel and .22s. We haven't yet found eye pro that stops rifle bullets, so again the preferred approach is to not get shot.

Also, wouldn't they blink a lot even if they did have fake eyes? Artificial or natural, a lens needs maintenance, and tear ducts + blinking is how we keep the surface of our eyes functional.

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Post by Three Dog on Wed 27 Jun 2012 - 5:07

Guest wrote:The only thing I had a problem with, that I did flinch on, was their stamina you gave them in Iraq (when they rescued those two downed pilots, and then resumed their mission)... and taking AK-47 bullets having them all bounce off like they were shooting tanks...
@Nachtsider wrote:Where the cyborgs are concerned, Colonel, it's not
so much the worry about losing eyes to bullets as the worry about those
bullets punching through the eyes and hitting the important stuff
situated behind them.

Thanks for the compliments. When I started off writing my stories, I had nothing to work on but the anime, and worked solely on what I saw,
thinking: "If those girls can take headshots to no effect, listen to
whispered conversations from afar and leap off battlements unharmed,
they can do anything." I also opine that the cyborgs have a lot
of potential, which goes virtually undeveloped throughout canon. But
yeah - in light of the things revealed in later installments of the
series, stopping magazines of Kalashnikov bullets without even flinching
does seem a little extreme.

Fortunately, I can always play the
Artistic Liscence' and 'Alternate Universe' cards. Those little beauties
never fail to get you out of jail free.


Hey, I remember that Fic. That's one of the ones that inspired me to start writing and what I originally based their abilities on. Needless to say, I've dialed them back a bit since.

@John_234 wrote:Also, wouldn't they blink a lot even if they did have
fake eyes? Artificial or natural, a lens needs maintenance, and tear
ducts + blinking is how we keep the surface of our eyes
functional.
I can agree with that observation. However, I would like to say that if the Agency has the tech to add magnification and infra red to the human eye, then surely they can build maching guns into the cyborg arms to make them better at sneak attacks and not need the lug around violin, guitar, cello, or piano cases. Jast sayin' is all, plus they must be able to then use that tech to make some sort of cambat inter face or HUD for soldiers to put on their helmets.

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Post by John_234 on Wed 27 Jun 2012 - 5:12

To be honest levying an advantage in Ghost-Recon style stuff like vision modes seems opposite of the idea of Gunslinger Girl - that the cyborgs are principally human with human weaknesses.

As much as I obsess over guns and stuff I find character development a lot more important than trying to cram some technology into their eyes or limbs to give a crazy edge in combat.

EDIT: I misread a little. I suppose some degree of hidden weaponry makes sense, but everything comes with a cost so I've never written a cyborg with a built in weapon. The first weapon is always the body.

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@John_234 wrote:To be honest levying an advantage in Ghost-Recon style stuff like vision modes seems opposite of the idea of Gunslinger Girl - that the cyborgs are principally human with human weaknesses.

As much as I obsess over guns and stuff I find character development a lot more important than trying to cram some technology into their eyes or limbs to give a crazy edge in combat.

EDIT: I misread a little. I suppose some degree of hidden weaponry makes sense, but everything comes with a cost so I've never written a cyborg with a built in weapon. The first weapon is always the body.
I wasn't saying that th etech is more important, I'm just saying that if they could make the cyborgs in murder machines capable of doing everything a regular soldier would require a hundred thousand different gadgets to do, then surely it would be adapted for teh military as well.

But yes, character development is a lot more important. I was just making referance to some of the other posts.

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Destroyer of Worlds ;D wrote:I wasn't saying that th etech is more important, I'm just saying that if they could make the cyborgs in murder machines capable of doing everything a regular soldier would require a hundred thousand different gadgets to do, then surely it would be adapted for teh military as well.

But yes, character development is a lot more important. I was just making referance to some of the other posts.
From memory one of the goals of the program is to make the cybernetic technology viable for a military role.

That said, I've never been much of a fan of cramming the girls full of gadgets... and to be honest my own instinct is to level their advantages and play up their disadvantages whenever possible. As I think I've said before: to me at least, for GSG story wise, the technology of the cyborgs is a means to and end, not an end in and of itself. The cyborg program creates a situation around which a story and characters can be built, the technology is just a sideshow.

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Post by Kiskaloo on Wed 27 Jun 2012 - 10:08

While I personally reject it in my OC universe, in the first episode of -Il Teatrino- Henrietta did use "Steve Austin Zoom Vision" during the car chase scene.

I also have the girls being able to see the reflected light of infrared illuminators.

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Post by Professor Voodoo on Wed 27 Jun 2012 - 10:58

@Kiskaloo wrote:While I personally reject it in my OC universe, in the first episode of -Il Teatrino- Henrietta did use "Steve Austin Zoom Vision" during the car chase scene.
While the animators' execution of that scene was pretty cheezy I do believe the cyborgs have some degree of telescopic vision, capable of resolving details at great distances, seeing in low light, stabilizing the image even when the skull is being bounced around (unfair advantage for Allison when driving on a rough road) and focus on targets in their peripheral vision without moving their eyes.
I also have the girls being able to see the reflected light of infrared illuminators.
That's another capability I've allowed the girls in my stories...infrared is a part of their normal visual spectrum.

Emperor's original question dealt with what a cyborg would do if blinded in a fight. I think this is something they have to be trained for; to continue operating without panic once a main sensory input has been lost. This is probably done in the shoot-house...now you've got me concocting specific training drills...
SWA Drill #237: Blind team member.

One member of an attack team is blindfolded at a random time during the drill. The team leader is now responsible for accessing her usefulness to mission objectives, deciding to either continue utilizing her blind member or evacuate her...all while continuing toward the overall mission goal.
SWA Drill #313: Blind individual cyborg.

This time the cyborg is alone and blindfolded. She must decide whether it is possible to press on with the mission or abort, then execute her decision while hostile forces continue to attack her.
SWA Drill #491: Building on fire.

Smoke grenades are dropped into the shoot-house maze, and the cyborg team must complete their objective in limited to zero visibility.
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Post by Three Dog on Wed 27 Jun 2012 - 18:13

@Professor Voodoo wrote:
SWA Drill #237: Blind team member.

One member of an attack team is blindfolded at a random time during the drill. The team leader is now responsible for accessing her usefulness to mission objectives, deciding to either continue utilizing her blind member or evacuate her...all while continuing toward the overall mission goal.
SWA Drill #313: Blind individual cyborg.

This time the cyborg is alone and blindfolded. She must decide whether it is possible to press on with the mission or abort, then execute her decision while hostile forces continue to attack her.
SWA Drill #491: Building on fire.

Smoke grenades are dropped into the shoot-house maze, and the cyborg team must complete their objective in limited to zero visibility.
Any other suggestions?

SWA Drill # 523: Re-hyjacking

A fratello is put onto a [decomissioned] plane in oder to take it back from the hyjackers. For all intensive purpopsesm the plane is airbourne and the cyborg is blind folded. The handler is required to keep his/her cyborg safe, calm, and under control, while still retaking the plane and making sure all hostages survive.
Proabably not as realistic or plausable as yours (seeing as how the Fratelli don't go flying on planes that get hylacked all that often), but it's all I can come up with for now.

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Post by John_234 on Wed 27 Jun 2012 - 19:48

The most obvious ones to me are practicing in a sensory deprivation setting, or while blinded underwater, for example. I recall in SEAL BUDS training they stick you into a pool, turn off your air regulator and rip off your goggles.

On a semi-related note, there's actually shooting drills where you wear headgear that obscures your peripheral vision, to force you to do a threat scan and sweep for targets despite stress-induced tunnel vision.

Come to think of it, I want to run some cyborgs through the stress course. A helicopter simulator is crashed into freezing cold water. You bail out, then load bullets into mags (fine motor skill), load the mags into the weapons (gross motor skill) and do a standard run and gun course.

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Post by Officer_Charon on Wed 27 Jun 2012 - 20:40

Anything that would force them to think outside of the box.

Rapid target assessment under conditions of high stress (Can I complete the mission without disclosing the Agency under current conditions - this would include an assessment of potential liabilities to be removed post-combat.)

Sensory Dep. drills ought to be standard - like John said, anything that forces you to implement the fundamentals whist retaining both fine and gross motor skills.

Pretty much anything that regular humans train for, but dialled up to 11 physically. Any deficiencies are going to come under psychological/mental training issues, so I could see these being the skills tested under combat conditions the most. While it seems as though the cyborgs have a "combat mode" (possibly initiated by adrenaline or an analogue thereof), but it would seem to make sense for them to be trained to respond to circumstances beyond their control.

Training the killer instinct into them that is the basis for many fight drills humans have to undergo is obviously not going to be an issue... what I see is a series of drills designed to teach them how to operate within their capabilities, and how to compensate if they are weakened.

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Interesting note about that helicopter drill - conducted with SBS operators, there was hardly a person who could load the bullets into the mags.

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Post by Schaschanist on Thu 28 Jun 2012 - 2:58

When I read roughly through this thread I only wanted to smash my head on the wall.
Did you guys just read what you write? You are speaking of thermic vision, night vision, zoom lenses and such bullshit, in childrens eyes? ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING Me???

Our girl are still human, even if they are artificial, like I say it often 'bionic'. What you guys are saying makes them again more into a fucking walking battle robot.
Come on, don't be silly and make them to stupid androids!

Ear implants for better hearing already exist and is alot more sensitive than normal ears. But electronic eyes reached the line from here on it become just stupid. Have you ever thought about the obvious? THEY ARE STILL CHIlDREN and as such still have a childrens brain. With what you imagine they have, I dare say the brain must malfunction very quickly because of the MASSIVE overload of information, they just cannot handle it.


Come on guys, don't try to make them the ULTIMATE OVERFEATURED AND HEAVIEST ARMORED WARMACHINES ON EARTH, they are just girls after all!
Really, with what some of you imagine, Italy already had become world dominator years ago with their unbeatable child warmachine army!

EDIT: Don't come me with 'But Il Teatrino has it' or such saying. I just remember you that there in both seasons are things that NEVER appeared in the manga.
And by the way, since the Manga appeared earlier and is on a complete different, further and later point of the story, I see it as the real Original source.


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Post by Three Dog on Thu 28 Jun 2012 - 3:04

@Schaschanist wrote:Really, with what some of you imagine, Italy already had become world dominator years ago with their unbeatable child warmachine army!

EXPENSIVE unbeatable war machine army. There was the whole 'global finacial crisis' thing, so... yeah. Nuff said.

And a good ol' airstike will eliminate the little tykes anyway, and the rest of the worlds super powers have plenty of fighters and bombers, so it's all good.

And by the way, since the Manga appeared earlier and is on a complete different, further and later point of the story, I see it as the Original source.

I agree, it's easier to junt things down in the manga too ^_^

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