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Post by Kiskaloo on Wed 19 Aug 2009 - 21:43

So was skimming through -IL TEATRINO- to get some names and location information, and I noticed that Franco's tracking software uses Google Earth. So when Section 1 captured Franca in Episode 7, it shows they took her to the commune of Trigoria Alta, south of Rome. And sure enough, there are some isolated farmhouses out there. Good

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Post by Danjo3 on Sat 22 Aug 2009 - 12:31

Iím up to ep.8 of Il Teatrino and I have to say, the dubs make a huge difference. Overall itís still inferior to season 1, but the English definitely makes it more palatable.

Iím not sure if this has been mentioned but Jean is voiced by Eric Vale. Eric Vale is also credited as Head Writer (English revision). Are they one and the same, or is it just one hell of a coincidence?

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Post by Triela on Sun 23 Aug 2009 - 0:53

@Danjo3 wrote:Iím up to ep.8 of Il Teatrino and I have to say, the dubs make a huge difference. Overall itís still inferior to season 1, but the English definitely makes it more palatable.

Iím not sure if this has been mentioned but Jean is voiced by Eric Vale. Eric Vale is also credited as Head Writer (English revision). Are they one and the same, or is it just one hell of a coincidence?

I agree Danjo. I'm glad you like it so far! ^_^

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Post by Toma-kun on Sun 23 Aug 2009 - 1:15

I just got my boxset from Rightstuf today. Can't wait to watch it. Very Happy

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Post by Danjo3 on Sun 23 Aug 2009 - 2:34

@Triela wrote:I agree Danjo. I'm glad you like it so far! ^_^
The Japanese, along with the new (crappier) animation, almost made it feel like a different series. Hearing the old familiar voices again really brings it back home. Even the new Hillshire (J. Michael Tatum) is pretty good. When I watched ep.8, it had the same impact on me as it did when I watched it the very first time.

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Post by Danjo3 on Sun 23 Aug 2009 - 14:15

After finishing the English version of Il Teatrino I have to ask an obvious question - Did the Japanese version really suck that bad, or was it a failure on the part of the translators who subbed it? Iíll say it again, I feel like Iíve just watched a completely different series. I canít remember a instance where Iíve seen a sub fall this short.

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Post by Kiskaloo on Sun 23 Aug 2009 - 19:34

The dub should be less-accurate to the original Japanese than the sub since the dub scriptwriters need to adjust the words and their cadence to match the lip flaps of the animation so they often are forced to make changes to the dialog.

This is why I almost always watch anime subbed as the translation is more accurate.

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Post by Danjo3 on Mon 24 Aug 2009 - 5:23

@Kiskaloo wrote:The dub should be less-accurate to the original Japanese than the sub since the dub scriptwriters need to adjust the words and their cadence to match the lip flaps of the animation so they often are forced to make changes to the dialog.
Thatís what Iím thinking. I guess we lucked out having Eric Vale writing on the English side. Good

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Post by Toma-kun on Mon 24 Aug 2009 - 14:08

Is it just me, or does the English dub pronounce Franca as "Flanca"?

I'm just not hearing the 'r' in there. Very Happy

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Post by Kiskaloo on Mon 24 Aug 2009 - 14:29

Yes, they pronounce it Flanca - probably because the Japanese language does not natively have an "l" sound (they substitute "r") and for some reason, Eric Vale thought that Yu and the Japanese seiyuus all would have written and said "l" if the letter existed. Puzzled

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Post by maverick375 on Mon 24 Aug 2009 - 19:46

Yes, they pronounce it Flanca - probably because the Japanese language
does not natively have an "l" sound (they substitute "r") and for some
reason, Eric Vale thought that Yu and the Japanese seiyuus all would
have written and said "l" if the letter existed.

I think this was a complete loss of purpose on their part. Yes, the Japanese substitute "R" for our "L", but they also use "R" for our "R". Franco chose "Franca" because of the anonymity in it. "Franca" is an Italian name and "Flanca" is not.
"Franco and Franca" not only sounds better coming off of the tongue, but has a more sinister tone if you know what they are about, i.e. quality bombs. They work together, and they are good enough to require code-names. Again, the anonymity is the key to the name game, and Flanca would stick out like a sore thumb.

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Post by Kiskaloo on Mon 24 Aug 2009 - 19:47

It's why I predominately watch the subs - better accuracy.

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Post by Toma-kun on Mon 24 Aug 2009 - 19:57

I normally prefer subs as well, but considering the setting I just couldn't wrap my mind around the idea of European people speaking Japanese any more than I can tolerate obviously Japanese people speaking English (I'm looking at you NGE!). I'm open to exceptions though. Very Happy
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Post by maverick375 on Mon 24 Aug 2009 - 21:50

I normally prefer subs as well, but considering the setting I just
couldn't wrap my mind around the idea of European people speaking
Japanese any more than I can tolerate obviously Japanese people
speaking English (I'm looking at you NGE!). I'm open to exceptions
though.

Not an exception, but rather a case in point. Black Lagoon season 2, Fujiyama Gangsta Paradise. Balalaika speaking (heavily Japanese) Engrish and Rock translating in Japanese. Though it makes a bit more sense when Revy talks in Engrish and can't understand a word anyone else says in Japanese. The Balalaika scenes actually made more sense and were less harsh on the ears than the work-arounds they used for Revy in the English dub.

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Post by Nachtsider on Mon 24 Aug 2009 - 22:15

For the record, I've never read subs that had as 'smooth' or as 'natural sounding' lines as dubs do.

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Post by Kiskaloo on Mon 24 Aug 2009 - 22:17

@Nachtsider wrote:For the record, I've never read subs that had as 'smooth' or as 'natural sounding' lines as dubs do.

That's because the subs go for a more literal translation, while the dubs aim for a translation that gets the gist of the content, put in a more "natural sounding" format.

Except for the dub of Ghost Stories, which just followed it's own course. Smile

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Post by rusty-spring on Mon 24 Aug 2009 - 22:21

@Kiskaloo wrote:[Except for the dub of Ghost Stories, which just followed it's own course. Smile
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Post by Nachtsider on Mon 24 Aug 2009 - 23:50

@Kiskaloo wrote:That's because the subs go for a more literal translation, while the dubs aim for a translation that gets the gist of the content, put in a more "natural sounding" format.
How it should be, you ask me.

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Post by Kiskaloo on Tue 25 Aug 2009 - 17:03

Looks like Funimation will release the -IL TEATRINO- OAV ($15) on December 1st, along with the Blu-Ray box set of the first anime series ($60).

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Post by Piero on Tue 25 Aug 2009 - 18:17

Some dubs try to get the gist of the original, but I wouldn't say all of them do. The dub for Starship Operators was loose enough that it managed to make a major change to the main character's personality within the first half episode. (Which is why that's one of the series where I really strongly recommend sbutitles over the dub.)

I'm generally a subtitles person myself, but I find I'm more likely to like a series in English if the setting is outside of Japan rather then in it.

I actually have a joke of sorts about the subs versus dubs thing: "The voice acting in the Japanese version may be bad, but if it is I can't tell." Actually, despite being a joke, there is some truth in it. Part of the reason I watch so much stuff in Japanese is just that so many of the dubs I've seen in the past seem to have had voice acting issues. (Although then again, I've gotten to the point where I can identify performances I like and ones I felt had issues in Japanese too, so it's not really totally true anymore.)

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Post by Triela on Wed 26 Aug 2009 - 1:02

@Kiskaloo wrote:Looks like Funimation will release the -IL TEATRINO- OAV ($15) on December 1st, along with the Blu-Ray box set of the first anime series ($60).

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Post by Nuke is Good on Wed 26 Aug 2009 - 3:54

I'm going to wait on the Blu-Ray release of GSG S1. FMP: The Second Raid ended up being 80 dollars at first but the price dropped to like 47 on Amazon after two weeks. I hope the same follows suit.
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Post by Toma-kun on Thu 3 Sep 2009 - 13:45

I just saw the fansub of the OVA today and for some reason, only now did I notice that Kou Ootani was in charge of the music in Il Teatrino which really surprised me.

I don't know how many people here saw Haibane Renmei (think GSG without guns or cyborgs), but Kou's work on its soundtrack was outstanding. Sadly, I didn't feel the same way about Il Teatrino, in fact the soundtrack was blah at best.

However, the OVAs soundtrack had an entirely different feel to it and it really reflected Ootani's unique style, especially with the string instruments. It's funny how two episodes can have a better soundtrack than the entire series, but there's really no contest. If they had put the same effort in with the rest of the 13 episodes, it would have hit people in their soft spots instead of relying on tragedy to do it.

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Post by Kiskaloo on Thu 3 Sep 2009 - 14:13

Haibane Renmei has about as much in common with Gunslinger Girl as Dragonball does. Razz

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Post by Nachtsider on Thu 3 Sep 2009 - 15:10

GSG without guns/cyborgs is no longer GSG. Razz

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Post by Toma-kun on Thu 3 Sep 2009 - 15:49

Well I don't know; the more I think about it the more I notice similarities. Hopefully I'm not going too far off topic here, but for the sake of conversation:

You've got focus on a bunch of girls, in both series they're living twisted alternate lives. Popular theory going around in HR circles is that the girls have died in their past life and are reborn into a new existence. Granted, in GSG most of the girls were alive before being converted, but for the most part their previous life as they knew it is gone and are living another existence.

In HR, the girls are named by the dream they experienced in the cocoon. Another popular theory is that the dream was their final memory before passing on, which would explain why some of them are particularly disturbing. Of course, as we all know the SWA girls often have dreams of a similar nature. In short, all of the girls have mysterious and probably grisly pasts.

Then there's the limited lifespan, in HR there's some phenomenon that comes about unexpectedly which forces the beings to transcend to another life or oblivion if they are not prepared. Much like the GSGs, it's not possible for them to continue their new life indefinitely and characters in both series are somewhat obligated to come to terms with what little they know about their past and their current situation.

Then of course you have the soft stuff; all of the characters live in a girls-only dorm, in GSG you have curmudgeonly vets bossing the girls around while in HR you have crusty old dudes in masks telling them what to do, there are boys but you can't hang around them, they can't leave the confines of the community, etc.

Anyway, that's enough ranting out of me; I feel like such a nerd right now.

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Post by Awinnell on Thu 3 Sep 2009 - 16:18

the Haibane girls all committed suicide,they were working their penance in purgatory,when they ascended ,assuming the had done enough good works to pay off the sin of suicide,they were reborn in the real world

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Post by Toma-kun on Thu 3 Sep 2009 - 16:22

If I recall correctly, not all of them committed suicide. Some of them did though, but I won't spoil it for those who haven't seen it.

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Post by MadHatChemist on Sat 5 Sep 2009 - 1:44

If I recall correctly, not all of them committed suicide. Some of them
did though, but I won't spoil it for those who haven't seen it.

I have seen the entire series, though I generally relaxed and enjoyed the show without thinking too deeply about it. I didn't really notice the "suicide" thing, though I'm now interested in what the deeper meaning behind it all is.

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Post by Toma-kun on Sat 5 Sep 2009 - 16:20

Sure thing, but I'll use the spoiler tag to hide it:

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Most people believe that both Rakka and Reki comitted suicide in their previous lives. Rakka's case is not 100% because she remembered part of her dream and didn't have black feathers from the onset. However, her experience when she fell down the well suggests that she attempted suicide and someone either came to stop her and was too late or came just in time to comfort her during her last moments (symbolized by the bird seen during the opening of the first episode).

Reki, however, almost certainly comitted suicide. I don't recall her exact words, but in the last episode she mentions that she took a life or something to that effect. Her paintings and the alternate meaning of her name seems to suggest that she stepped in front of a moving train and was killed. Unlike Rakka, no one tried to stop or help her in her previous life and already began to believe she's doomed to suffer the same fate. Of course, Rakka convinced her otherwise and she finally found peace.

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Post by Wileama on Sun 6 Sep 2009 - 13:55

I'm surprised that you see so much in common Toma-kun. I suppose in a way your right. Death figures pretty central in both stories. It's just in Haibane Renmei it's more suicide, while GsG it's more terminal disease. The core of the two stories really just go in two different directions though. HR is basically a story about depression, suicide, and living life. GsG is much more about relationships, action, and death. There are some elements in common, but there are more differences in my opinion. Well with the exception of one glaring thing in common though, quality. Haibane Renmei was an amazing show.

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Post by Ggultra2764 on Sun 6 Sep 2009 - 21:29

@Toma-kun wrote:Sure thing, but I'll use the spoiler tag to hide it:

Spoiler:

Most people believe that both Rakka and Reki comitted suicide in their previous lives. Rakka's case is not 100% because she remembered part of her dream and didn't have black feathers from the onset. However, her experience when she fell down the well suggests that she attempted suicide and someone either came to stop her and was too late or came just in time to comfort her during her last moments (symbolized by the bird seen during the opening of the first episode).

Reki, however, almost certainly comitted suicide. I don't recall her exact words, but in the last episode she mentions that she took a life or something to that effect. Her paintings and the alternate meaning of her name seems to suggest that she stepped in front of a moving train and was killed. Unlike Rakka, no one tried to stop or help her in her previous life and already began to believe she's doomed to suffer the same fate. Of course, Rakka convinced her otherwise and she finally found peace.

I always assumed this with the Haibane:

Spoiler:
That all those who were Haibane committed suicide in their former lives and lived in Glie to carry out deeds to atone for killing themselves. The dream and their names were to show how the Haibane died in their former lives. Once they've atoned for the suicide, then they're allowed into heaven hence the "day of Flight."

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Post by West Nile on Tue 6 Oct 2009 - 11:52

Guys i think this is somewhere else but the fact is i can't find it, is there links to il teatrino dubbed here? the ones not just for d US?

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Post by Kiskaloo on Tue 6 Oct 2009 - 12:03

The only dub I am aware of is the US version released by Funimation, which you can stream from their site still, I believe.

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Post by West Nile on Sun 11 Oct 2009 - 22:16

the site is inaccessible >_<

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Post by Probit Return on Mon 12 Oct 2009 - 16:55

Yeah, Funi is very stingy about who is allowed to watch their streams, as I've noticed. I'm sure there are people here who can help you get around it though. I have no idea how to proxy, so I can't be of help.

As for the dub, I enjoy it, but I prefer Damion Clarke to J. Michael Tatum for Hilshire. Tatum didn't make for a good replacement, unfortunately.

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Post by Professor Voodoo on Tue 24 Nov 2009 - 2:51

@Kiskaloo wrote:Henrietta just strikes me as being younger then Rico (who was 11 when she was converted per her dialogue), probably because she is so much taller.

Then again, who knows. I mean Angelica as a cyborg looks like Triela (13-ish), but in her flashback scenes when she was assaulted she looks like more like 9.

And Claes could be 10 (based on the picture in her file), but she seems older.

As far as ages go, I figured Triela to be 14 (teenage awkwardness), Claes to be about 13 (they roomed her with Triela, the closest girl to her age), Henrietta, Rico, Angelica & Elsa all at around 11 (Rico is confirmed at 11, right?).

Maybe I'm just slow, but I just realized who Patricia & Leonardo Conti are talking to in Episode #5...she must be in town for her unsuccessful leg surgery prior to her nose dive off the roof of the hospital.

They even remembered to give her a limp!


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Re: Gunslinger Girl -Il Teatrino- Discussion

Post by Kiskaloo on Tue 24 Nov 2009 - 11:12

@Professor Voodoo wrote:(Rico is confirmed at 11, right?).

She's 11 in the manga and 13 (though converted at 11) in the first anime series.

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Re: Gunslinger Girl -Il Teatrino- Discussion

Post by Robert Frazer on Wed 10 Feb 2010 - 23:49

RAH BAH FREGGIN' REGGIN' GRAAH.

After holding fire for seven bloody months after Funimation's release of Il Teatrino last August, my patience was rewarded with my finally pinning down a Manga Entertainment representative to ask him about the show... and be told straight out that there's no plans for a PAL release.



Well, it looks like ol' Johnny-come-lately here will be importing after all.

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Re: Gunslinger Girl -Il Teatrino- Discussion

Post by Alfisti on Thu 11 Feb 2010 - 8:30

@Robert Frazer wrote:RAH BAH FREGGIN' REGGIN' GRAAH.

After holding fire for seven bloody months after Funimation's release of Il Teatrino last August, my patience was rewarded with my finally pinning down a Manga Entertainment representative to ask him about the show... and be told straight out that there's no plans for a PAL release.



Well, it looks like ol' Johnny-come-lately here will be importing after all.

Wow, failsome... that said: it was released in PAL over here early last month. Picked it up a couple of weeks back.

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Re: Gunslinger Girl -Il Teatrino- Discussion

Post by maverick375 on Sun 18 Apr 2010 - 9:04

They even remembered to give her a limp!

Yeah, but they completely botched the voice acting. Maybe the Ruskies got a British English teacher for the ballet school. God, I hope they get a better voice for the third season, or I might just have to jump on the Bash-Petra bandwagon with the others.

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Re: Gunslinger Girl -Il Teatrino- Discussion

Post by ElfenMagix on Sun 18 Apr 2010 - 10:16

Do hurry up. I'm low on ink so I can print you a membership card for the "We Hate Petra Fan Club!" Evil

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Re: Gunslinger Girl -Il Teatrino- Discussion

Post by Nic2001 on Mon 27 Sep 2010 - 18:18

Ok i know this is a old (almost dead topic) but i just saw this on amazon.ca


https://www.amazon.ca/Gunslinger-Girl-Il-Teatrino-C/dp/B0040319P8/ref=sr_1_9?s=gateway&ie=UTF8&qid=1285625543&sr=8-9

i do like the new cover art... (not starting another --I hate Il Teatrino-- topic here)

maybe there's still hope for new episodes after all.

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Re: Gunslinger Girl -Il Teatrino- Discussion

Post by ElfenMagix on Mon 27 Sep 2010 - 20:53

For some reason, the page loaded with broken images.
Maybe they were updating?

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Re: Gunslinger Girl -Il Teatrino- Discussion

Post by Totoum on Mon 27 Sep 2010 - 21:55

Seems like it's just a boxset with all episodes in one.

I've generally like il teatrino dvd cover arts,have used a couple as sigs.

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Re: Gunslinger Girl -Il Teatrino- Discussion

Post by Godot on Mon 23 Apr 2012 - 2:10

@Toma-kun wrote:
I don't know how many people here saw Haibane Renmei (think GSG without guns or cyborgs), but Kou's work on its soundtrack was outstanding.

First, hooray for my first necromancy post!

Saw Haibane Renmei recently and it is a new instant favorite of mine. I just can't contain myself Very Happy

Second, this is EXACTLY what I was thinking after I saw Haibane Renmei! It's not the themes or ideas that make GSG like HR though. You are right though, I thought that, without the action and guns, GSG is like Haibane Renmei in its tone. That's probably why I loved it so much. Both series have a strong focus on characters over plot (at least the GSG anime does) and, without the action, both HR and GSG take a more subdued pace to quietly explore the characters.

So incredibly psyched to see someone thought the same thing I thought about a new favorite series of mine! cheers Too bad it looks like Toma-kun hasn't been here in a while

Also surprised I'm not here to hate on Il Teatrino for once!

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Re: Gunslinger Girl -Il Teatrino- Discussion

Post by Thescarredman on Mon 23 Apr 2012 - 17:58

What, exactly, would GsG be without cyborgs or guns?
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Re: Gunslinger Girl -Il Teatrino- Discussion

Post by Nachtsider on Mon 23 Apr 2012 - 19:29

@Thescarredman wrote:What, exactly, would GsG be without cyborgs or guns?
A dreadful bore.

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Post by ElfenMagix on Mon 23 Apr 2012 - 20:26

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@Thescarredman wrote:What, exactly, would GsG be without cyborgs or guns?
A dreadful bore.
And now on the next installment of Little Bitches and Ice Cream...

Henrietta: Jose, I want Ice Cream!

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Henrietta: I Want Ice Cream NOW!

Jose (leaning over to Jean): Can I barrow the Anti-Psychotic Emergency Syringe?

*Jean hands over a Pen like object filled enough tranquilizers to put down a horse!*

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Re: Gunslinger Girl -Il Teatrino- Discussion

Post by Godot on Mon 23 Apr 2012 - 22:47

@Nachtsider wrote:
@Thescarredman wrote:What, exactly, would GsG be without cyborgs or guns?
A dreadful bore.

Well there goes my buzz.

Either you've never seen HR and/or you're deliberately missing my, and Toma-kun's, point entirely. The characters would have backstories without any of the action and guns, and many episodes had far more quiet scenes than action scenes. Hell, the last episode of season 1 had pretty much no action. Here's the point: It's the tone of the series when there is no action on-screen that are similar.

And if you're still having trouble imagining that, then picture what GSG would be like if they simply took out the guns and the action and left in the difficulties of cyberization and the girls' backstories, and that should give you something resembling HR's tone. Coincidentally, both GSG and HR feature characters who have little to no memory of their past, but that's pretty much aside the point.
Again, tone, not theme.

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