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What Jean try to use with arrested Padanian?

Post by emperor on Wed 26 Aug 2009 - 7:46

In latest chapter [63 ?],when Jean talked to chief Lorenzo about how to make Padanian tell them the truth.

What's you called that truth-maker siring and what substance in it?

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Post by Awinnell on Wed 26 Aug 2009 - 8:30

most truth drugs don't actually work all that well,the classic one is Sodium pentathol

Thiopental is still used in some places as a truth serum.[3] The barbiturates as a class decrease higher cortical brain functioning. Some psychiatrists hypothesize that because lying is more complex than telling the truth, suppression of the higher cortical functions may lead to the uncovering of the "truth". However, the reliability of confessions made under thiopental is dubious; the drug tends to make subjects chatty and cooperative with interrogators, but a practiced liar or someone who has a false story firmly established would still be quite able to lie while under the influence of the drug

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Post by emperor on Wed 26 Aug 2009 - 9:01

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Re: What Jean try to use with arrested Padanian?

Post by ElfenMagix on Wed 26 Aug 2009 - 9:38

"Some people are just immune to the stuff..."
-I forget what movie that came from, but toturing and drugging the poor guy lead to nowhere in the investigation. The spy movie was from the mid 1970s, it was not James Bond.

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Post by MikhailN on Wed 26 Aug 2009 - 9:39

Yup sodium thiopental is the original "truth serum" that was used, not the nonsense you see in the movies (I used it in a fict once. That story still disturbs me up to today). The effectiveness was certainly not like the movies at all.

As for possible interrogation methods, there are three types:

1. Chemical. There are chemicals that make you less inhibited, so you talk more and keep secrets less

2. Physical Contact. The one Jean would most likely use. Ranging whacking with a stick to sawing off a limb with the owner conscious, it is the most effective at getting compliance. Note that sometimes the guy will just say *something* to make the beating stop. Heck he'll even say he's the Queen of Sheba.

3. Non-physical. If you're in the military and your vocation puts you at high risk of capture, this is the one that the military will train you for. Examples include:
- Sleep deprivation. Try 24 hours without sleep, standing up and listening to "white noise". 72 hours of it will break down a man's resolve completely. It's no joke.
- Blackmail. The interrogator walks in with a folder and starts rattling off names of family members, personal secrets etc. Easy if you got some info on the guy
- Moles. Sometimes they'll plant one of their own as your cell mate. Then he'll start a conversation and pry info out
- Interrogators. Hoo boy. They may try to befriend you, convince you, yell at you...but the one I hate most involves 2 interrogators. They may start with a simple question like "What colour is the sky?" and when you answer "Blue", he may suddenly yell at you angrily "NO, IT'S GREEN" and burst out laughing in his chair. Or they may suddenly pick you up and start dancing and next thing you know they start yelling at each other incoherently. Then they yell at you incoherently. Basically it's like being locked in a room full of mental patients. In retrospect it was fun, but at that moment you'll be begging to be let out.
All these non-physical methods aim to break down a person's resolve to fight for their cause/country/beliefs and make them do anything to save themselves. Including betray their country. The worst part is that they're the most effective at doing just that

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Re: What Jean try to use with arrested Padanian?

Post by Nachtsider on Wed 26 Aug 2009 - 10:06

Knowing Jean, he'd just select an organ/body part that comes as one of a pair, forcibly remove it sans anesthesia, and then threaten to remove the remaining one if the poor sod didn't start singing.

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Post by Kiskaloo on Wed 26 Aug 2009 - 10:07

I expect that it's some fictional substance that compels the subject to answer questions.

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Re: What Jean try to use with arrested Padanian?

Post by MikhailN on Wed 26 Aug 2009 - 10:10

Kiskaloo wrote:I expect that it's some fictional substance that compels the subject to answer questions.

LOL actually "truth serum" is sodium thiopental. In theory it's supposed to shut down parts of the brain that psychologists think are involved in lying. Naturally the success rate is not as high as the movies make it out to be. Today, there are drugs that remove inhibitions so the guy talks more and keeps secrets less. Success rate isn't 100% though

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Post by Kiskaloo on Wed 26 Aug 2009 - 10:15

I expect the SWA has developed substances more effective than sodium thiopental.

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Post by Danjo3 on Wed 26 Aug 2009 - 10:20

MikhailN wrote:- Sleep deprivation. Try 24 hours without sleep, standing up and listening to "white noise". 72 hours of it will break down a man's resolve completely. It's no joke.
QFT. Itís simple, but extremely effective.

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Post by boomer_gonz on Wed 26 Aug 2009 - 12:17

I thought the original truth serum was LSD.

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Post by ElfenMagix on Wed 26 Aug 2009 - 14:45

LSD was used as a truth serium in the early 60's, but then the poor guys would start to freak out after a while. Then there was LSD with laced with other things- the Tranquilzer Thorazine was one of them. This would produce a cascading effect in the brain and really screw people up (if the Thorazine dose was lower than the LSD dose). Thorazine (in a high dosage) was an LSD Neutralizer.

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Post by tsundere9kagami2 on Wed 26 Aug 2009 - 16:50

Well first he takes a ^&*^ and then he #$%^%$ the terrorists with it and he #$%$^$ until they #%$#%34

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Post by Ghostfriendly on Thu 27 Aug 2009 - 13:48

An unusual interrogration method I read about was walking a man up and down non-stop, and asking him an endless list of pointless questions. Eventually, it becomes too much effort to give a false answer, then you start asking the real questions.
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Post by LoC978 on Thu 27 Aug 2009 - 18:01

tsundere9kagami2 wrote:Well first he takes a ^&*^ and then he #$%^%$ the terrorists with it and he #$%$^$ until they #%$#%34
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Re: What Jean try to use with arrested Padanian?

Post by funkmachine on Tue 24 Nov 2009 - 10:35

well jean can just take him some where and start with Interrogating and some Physical Contact moveing up to Chemicals and Sleep/food/drink deprivation.
but hes the bad cop so the finer points are not his thing.

the main thing is time,back ground, detail of info and what are you doing with then later? you cant run a court case when you wired him up yesterday.

if thay need to do it well belisario(the guy in charge of conditioning) to do it.

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Post by zarien85 on Sat 18 Dec 2010 - 22:27

give them weed get them good and high then start asking odd questions and mix in the question's you want answered to get the right answers

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Post by ElfenMagix on Sat 18 Dec 2010 - 23:14

Weed does not work on that level. Weed makes you say anything and many people are in prison for admitting crimes they never did because they were too high on weed to know what the fuck they were saying!!
Alcohol does.

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Post by Kiskaloo on Sat 18 Dec 2010 - 23:18

"Alcohol is a liquid good for preserving anything. except secrets..."

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Post by maverick375 on Sun 19 Dec 2010 - 11:43

My particular choice for a mention in my story was SP-117.

A defector from the biological weapons department 12 of the KGB "illegals" (S) directorate (presently a part of Russian SVR service) claimed that a truth drug codenamed SP-117 was highly effective and has been widely used. According to him, "The 'remedy which loosens the tongue' has no taste, no smell, no colour, and no immediate side effects. And, most important, a person has no recollection of having the 'heart-to-heart talk'" and felt afterwards as if they suddenly fell asleep. Officers of the S directorate used the drug primarily to check the trustworthiness of their own illegal agents who operated overseas, including even heroes of the service, such as Vitaly Yurchenko.[14] According to Alexander Litvinenko, Russian presidential candidate Ivan Rybkin was drugged with the same substance by FSB agents during his alleged kidnapping.

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Post by emperor on Sun 19 Dec 2010 - 11:57

Nice info,maverick!

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