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Post by SPARTAN 119 on Mon 31 Aug 2009 - 22:14

How common are Winchester Model 1897s these days, the design is over 100 years old and they were last produced in 1957 according to Wikipedia. So, I was wondering how difficult it would be to get a hold of one, like the SWA did for Triela.

Also, why the 1897 rather than a more modern pump action shotgun like the Remington 870 or Mossberg 590, or for that matter, why not a semi auto like the Benelli M3, SPAS-12, or even a selective fire like the USAS 12.
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Post by Nachtsider on Mon 31 Aug 2009 - 22:25

There's quite a few actual Winchesters still floating around, despite production having halted decades ago. Plus, foreign clones of the thing have been made by the thousand.

As for the second part of your post, only Yu can answer that question. Like Claes' VP70, Triela's Winchester was an odd choice, but not a bad one.

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Post by rusty-spring on Mon 31 Aug 2009 - 22:26

I believe Triela has that gun mostly for style/class reasons (Probably just a Yu Aida preference). After all, retro is "cool." Razz

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Post by Kiskaloo on Mon 31 Aug 2009 - 22:38

Hillshire wanted to get her something more modern (he was researching the Benelli M4), however Triela said she liked the 1897.

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Post by tsundere9kagami2 on Mon 31 Aug 2009 - 22:54

....I live in the country and theres a lot of them out here. I always see a ton of them at gun competitions.

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Post by Toma-kun on Tue 1 Sep 2009 - 0:18

I wanna get my hands on one, just for the novelty purposes; I'm more of a Saiga fan myself.

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Post by maverick375 on Tue 1 Sep 2009 - 14:58

I'm sure there are plenty to be found overseas (in Europe) from their use in at least one, and maybe two, world wars. Given some of the climates regarding gun ownership, such an example would be something that would be found in criminal groups as it would be hard to trace in any way. It does seem like the kind of gun a guy like Mario Bossi would have.

A weapon choice does reflect it's owner, for the most part. Triela holds onto it because it links her to something she desires to know more about, a key to the past if you will.

At a quick search, I found 6 on Gunbroker, most in the $500 range, and in varying shape.

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Post by tsundere9kagami2 on Tue 1 Sep 2009 - 16:59

one of my friends has one...but its ugly its missing its heat shroud.

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Post by DaGuyEvery1Knows on Sat 30 Jan 2010 - 14:16

I guess people still like to go "old-school". If you play Modern Warfare 2, you'll see half the players using the Model 1887's.
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Post by boomer_gonz on Sat 30 Jan 2010 - 14:21

The Winchester 1887 is a lever-action shotgun. Personally, I tried using it and decided not to after one run through. The reload time is ridiculous and having to cock it is a bit rough especially when your in do or die firefights.

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Post by DaGuyEvery1Knows on Sat 30 Jan 2010 - 14:23

boomer_gonz wrote:The Winchester 1887 is a lever-action shotgun. Personally, I tried using it and decided not to after one run through. The reload time is ridiculous and having to cock it is a bit rough especially when your in do or die firefights.
Yeah, I have to agree. Also, it isn't that good these days, since Infinity Ward reduced its range(we're talking about the video game one, right?).
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Re: Winchester 1897

Post by funkmachine on Sat 30 Jan 2010 - 17:11

of note is that it can be slamfired as it has no trigger disconnector so she can just hold the trigger down and pump to shoot.
and as its pump you get a bigger range of shells.
numbers made 1,024,700 + copys so parts will be east to get.

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Re: Winchester 1897

Post by Alfisti on Sat 30 Jan 2010 - 20:54

maverick375 wrote:I'm sure there are plenty to be found overseas (in Europe) from their use in at least one, and maybe two, world wars. Given some of the climates regarding gun ownership, such an example would be something that would be found in criminal groups as it would be hard to trace in any way. It does seem like the kind of gun a guy like Mario Bossi would have.

A weapon choice does reflect it's owner, for the most part. Triela holds onto it because it links her to something she desires to know more about, a key to the past if you will.

At a quick search, I found 6 on Gunbroker, most in the $500 range, and in varying shape.

From memory Mario was carrying a Winchester when they pulled Triela out in Amsterdam. I think the theory was that she may have inherited that weapon.

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Post by boomer_gonz on Sat 30 Jan 2010 - 21:54

DaGuyEvery1Knows wrote:
boomer_gonz wrote:The Winchester 1887 is a lever-action shotgun. Personally, I tried using it and decided not to after one run through. The reload time is ridiculous and having to cock it is a bit rough especially when your in do or die firefights.
Yeah, I have to agree. Also, it isn't that good these days, since Infinity Ward reduced its range(we're talking about the video game one, right?).

Um, yeah. The video game one...right. sweat

Alfisti wrote:From memory Mario was carrying a Winchester when they
pulled Triela out in Amsterdam. I think the theory was that she may
have inherited that weapon.

LOLZ!! That's my theory too, but I take it in a different context.

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Post by funkmachine on Sun 31 Jan 2010 - 17:38

ive checked and he was so him giveing the gun to Hilshire make some sence as at was the only unfired gun thay had.

is it my or does Hilshire keep the same makarov all the time?

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Post by Nachtsider on Sun 31 Jan 2010 - 17:50

Hillshire uses a Makarov? That's news to me; I thought he used some Heckler and Koch pistol (as seen in Vol. 1).

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Post by funkmachine on Sun 31 Jan 2010 - 18:00

he use what looks like one in assassination mission and confession.
so it make the same sence as Triela gun.

its just the wrong shape to be a H&K USP


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Post by Kiskaloo on Sun 31 Jan 2010 - 18:02

funkmachine wrote:he use what looks like one in assassination mission and confession.
so it make the same sence as Triela gun.

Triela carries SiG's. She started with a P230 and then received a P232 as a replacement when Pino disarmed her.

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Post by funkmachine on Sun 31 Jan 2010 - 18:18

it may be a HK 4 but that makes it under .380ACP or he run dry in assassination mission (i counted 7).
as the german police bought about 12 thousands
HK-4 the odds of him geting one are good
but makarovs are easy to get on the black market as there a lots of them from easten block.

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Post by funkmachine on Sun 31 Jan 2010 - 18:34

the sig 230 it is ,i rechecked confession and it in black and white on side of this gun

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Post by maverick375 on Sun 31 Jan 2010 - 22:49

Definitely not a Mak. Though the Mak (and variants) and the Sig are both based on the Walther PPK's frame style, the Maks share the PPK's slide-mounted safety, where as the Sigs mount it on the frame.

Add to this the less-common suppressors for the 9x18 bullet, which is larger in diameter than a 9x19. If I recall my load-charts correctly, the 9x19 fires a .356" bullet and the 9x18 fires a .365" To save on true Mak brass, I've trimmed and fire-formed 9x19 brass to the 9x18 dimentions to work in my friend's PA-63.

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Post by funkmachine on Mon 1 Feb 2010 - 13:21

9x18 has a bigger round so that in ww3 NATO troops cant use warsaw pact ammo.

the warsaw pact had tons of guns built with suppressors but thay started with the Nagant one of the few revolvers with a gas sealed cylinder.video

then it the PB(Pistolet Besshumnyj - Silenced Pistol)
basicy a Makarov mod to have a two part suppressor

then it get fun(ill put them in odd weapons)

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Post by austinhowell on Sat 17 Apr 2010 - 20:21

i want a winchester 1897 trench gun and a sig p230/p232 just because triela has them
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Post by DaGuyEvery1Knows on Sat 17 Apr 2010 - 21:19

austinhowell wrote:i want a winchester 1897 trench gun and a sig p230/p232 just because triela has them
Ooo, I know. Triela makes those weapons epic just by owning them.


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Post by austinhowell on Sat 17 Apr 2010 - 21:43

are you a triela fan too. also i have your avatar on my computer
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Post by DaGuyEvery1Knows on Sat 17 Apr 2010 - 23:25

austinhowell wrote:are you a triela fan too. also i have your avatar on my computer
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Post by Five_X on Sun 18 Apr 2010 - 0:54

The model 1897 is actually a very reliable, efficient shotgun. The Remington 870 and Mossberg 500/590 do have some perks, but the 1897 has a lot of potential, depending on the user. I find it odd that so many people simply keep them as collector's items. In fact, a lot of older guns are better than just showpieces. The Winchester models 1894 and 1897 in particular. Despite being lever-action, I find the 1894 very, very easy to use and quick to reload. Then again, I have quite a bit of experience with it, so that may be the main factor there.

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Post by austinhowell on Sun 18 Apr 2010 - 1:18

the picture of henrietta pointing the sig at herself when it jams . i have it in my my pictures on my computer
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Post by austinhowell on Sun 18 Apr 2010 - 1:23

thats cool i didnt know you could slam fire the 1897 . my mossberg 500 has that trigger disconecter so you have to let of the trigger after firing to operate the pump and it is a pain.
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Post by boomer_gonz on Sun 18 Apr 2010 - 2:33

The lack of a trigger disconnector is what got my M1897 confiscated and apparently destroyed by California Public Safety.

It was properly registered, certified, and all that jazz; but apparently the rules changed somehow and the lack of a trigger disconnector in a shotgun somehow makes it an automatic. Damn, I loved slam firing that f--ker at a handful of clays.

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Post by ElfenMagix on Sun 18 Apr 2010 - 10:15

Actually now, since the weapon's design is over 100 years old, you should be able to get them as "antique collectors item". At least you can here in NYS/NYC. This is more true of you can get a weapon that old.

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thats a shame . mluckily i live in ohio where gun laws arent to strict . and even on some lawsw the local police are pretty leniant
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Post by Five_X on Sun 18 Apr 2010 - 13:51

In Canada, the 1897 is considered "historically significant", so rules on it are bent. The same goes for the M1 Garand. Even though it holds 8 rounds, it's not a restricted firearm.

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Post by austinhowell on Sun 18 Apr 2010 - 15:05

yeah thats how it is here
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Post by WEBER on Sun 18 Apr 2010 - 20:09

The reason the M1 Garand a historical weapon in Canada because it was designed in Canada by John Garand in Canada and manufactured by Winchester. It was also issued to the Canadian Armed forces in World War 2 along with the Winchester M1897 Trench Gun and the Colt manufactured Thompson M1A1.
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Post by austinhowell on Sun 18 Apr 2010 - 20:13

yeah i wouldnt mind having either of those weapons in addition to a nice sig pistol lol
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Post by WEBER on Sun 18 Apr 2010 - 20:33

yeah
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Post by ElfenMagix on Sun 18 Apr 2010 - 20:59

Despite what ppl say of the M1's limitations, if you really think about it, if you operate within those limits, the M1 Garand Rocks!

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Post by austinhowell on Sun 18 Apr 2010 - 21:03

kind of like a turkey poking it head out from behind a rock ... gobble?... BOOOM
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Post by WEBER on Sun 18 Apr 2010 - 21:07

Garands are pretty easy to get a hold of two. And they're made in at least three different calibers too.
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Post by maverick375 on Sun 18 Apr 2010 - 21:10

Several M1897's on Gunbroker. At least one with the barrel shroud. $1000.

Personally, I'm fond of Mosins, but that's only because I can afford them.

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Post by ElfenMagix on Sun 18 Apr 2010 - 21:11

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Post by ElfenMagix on Sun 18 Apr 2010 - 21:13

WEBER wrote:Garands are pretty easy to get a hold of two. And they're made in at least three different calibers too.
In Long Island NY, we have Dr. Garand. A specialty shop just for Garand rifles. A cheap fixer upper there is a minimum $1200. A totally minted out one is $5000. Now if you're into Competition Shooting- a Competition Garand start at $10,000!

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Post by austinhowell on Sun 18 Apr 2010 - 21:16

my lord . well i dont competitive shoot as much as leisure shoot and hunt, but i havent been doing to much hunting lately
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Post by ElfenMagix on Sun 18 Apr 2010 - 21:27

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Post by WEBER on Sun 18 Apr 2010 - 21:32

I checked Cabela's gun library for the Garand and they're all over $1000. But there is a really nice WW2 commemorative rifle by Springfield Armoury for $2500.
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Post by austinhowell on Sun 18 Apr 2010 - 22:06

yeah i definantly want one with a barrel shroud
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Post by austinhowell on Sun 18 Apr 2010 - 22:07

by the way elfinmagix is that a quote from somewhere
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Post by Five_X on Sun 18 Apr 2010 - 22:14

While the Garand was made by a Canadian, Canada didn't actually use it in anywars. We used the Lee-Enfield series, which I call the SMILE gun. Just 'cause.

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Post by ElfenMagix on Sun 18 Apr 2010 - 22:21

austinhowell wrote:by the way elfinmagix is that a quote from somewhere
Its the end of a very sick racist joke from the days when people did not worry about being politically correct. Evil

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