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Post by emperor on Thu 17 Sep 2009 - 6:44



What you think? To kill the girls with this great cannon....


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Re: Will they die by this cannon?

Post by boomer_gonz on Thu 17 Sep 2009 - 7:07

If it has fast enough infra-red targeting...then yes.

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Re: Will they die by this cannon?

Post by Nachtsider on Thu 17 Sep 2009 - 8:46

Two questions.

1. What caliber is that thing?

2. Shouldn't this be in the lab?

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Re: Will they die by this cannon?

Post by Kiskaloo on Thu 17 Sep 2009 - 10:02

If it can hit them, I expect it would shred them.

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Re: Will they die by this cannon?

Post by SPARTAN 119 on Thu 17 Sep 2009 - 10:34

If those are indeed 40mm grenade launchers (they look like Mk 19 barrels), then yeah, if the Padania got their hands on that, I hate say it, but in an open fight, our cyborg friends are screwed...
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Re: Will they die by this cannon?

Post by kamajii on Thu 17 Sep 2009 - 11:08

I think, this is device created by Metal storm company.
I don't think that can defeat GSG more efficiently than RPG-7, Barret or any heavy arms.
I don't understand how this thing can be quiqly reloaded. It can't have more than 5-10 grenades on barrel. It can shoot with very high speed but how it can be reloaded?
Anyway, it is very hard to target this thing on smart and quick GSG.

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Re: Will they die by this cannon?

Post by Kiskaloo on Thu 17 Sep 2009 - 11:39

If it is a Metal Storm unit, you probably just replace the barrels with new ones pre-loaded with rounds.

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Re: Will they die by this cannon?

Post by kamajii on Thu 17 Sep 2009 - 11:51

How robot can do it?
AFAIK, barrel don't replaced. But reload would be more complicated than chain or stack.

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Re: Will they die by this cannon?

Post by Kiskaloo on Thu 17 Sep 2009 - 12:03

kamajii wrote:AFAIK, barrel don't replaced. But reload would be more complicated than chain or stack.

Considering that Metal Storms use ammo stacked one behind the other, they're probably muzzle-loaded and it doesn't get much simpler than that, even if it is more time-consuming.

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Re: Will they die by this cannon?

Post by kamajii on Thu 17 Sep 2009 - 12:29

I know how work one-bullet reload with chain or stack. But I don't know how would work 10-bullet-in-line reloader. Smile

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Re: Will they die by this cannon?

Post by kamajii on Thu 17 Sep 2009 - 12:34

BTW, I don't see any reloader on robot...
I think, the remote controlled bomb would be more efficiently vs GSG.

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Re: Will they die by this cannon?

Post by Awinnell on Thu 17 Sep 2009 - 12:39

the multi barrel stack shown on the Talon above has to have its barrels replaced and factory refilled,but the barrels are quick to replace,and that robots meant for ambush attacks anyway,

http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.redicecreations.com/specialreports/2006/01jan/metalstorm.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.redicecreations.com/specialreports/2006/01jan/metalstorm.html&h=461&w=325&sz=18&tbnid=pc0u3tsCQR8QDM:&tbnh=128&tbnw=90&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dmetal%2Bstorm&hl=en&usg=__TeObguKdA3R1X193JWw4sBEe-Lk=&ei=gWKySrzGBc-b4gbuuIy-Dg&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=9&ct=image

see here the improved version Firestorm

http://www.metalstorm.com/release/AGM2009-2.html

they also make the 3GL grenade launcher it is a 3 shot breech loading 40mm greande launcher for under rifle mounting

http://www.metalstorm.com/release/AGM2009-1.html

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Re: Will they die by this cannon?

Post by Kiskaloo on Thu 17 Sep 2009 - 12:44

Well that is indeed the Metal Storm Firestorm and it uses a modular, drop-in gun pod. So when you shoot your load (hehe - he said "load") you remove the spent gun pod and replace it with a new one.

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Re: Will they die by this cannon?

Post by kamajii on Thu 17 Sep 2009 - 13:36

I think is nothing vs Gatling gun 20 mm, especially on robot platform. Smile

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Re: Will they die by this cannon?

Post by Awinnell on Thu 17 Sep 2009 - 14:08

a 20mm gatling gun would quite literally weigh a ton ! they use them in Iraq and Afghanistan to shoot down rockets and mortars,it takes up most of a low loader truck bed !


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Re: Will they die by this cannon?

Post by rusty-spring on Thu 17 Sep 2009 - 14:15

That looks like a naval Phalanx CIWS gun they put on ships for last ditch defense - on a lorry. (Top Gear, you missed your chance with this one.)

Also to add, the cyborg girls are pretty outmatched by almost any weaponry a fully active military unit could employ. Luckily they seem to only go after organized crime and thugs. Plot Armor = success.

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Re: Will they die by this cannon?

Post by Kiskaloo on Thu 17 Sep 2009 - 14:23

Yup. A competent infantry platoon should be able to dismantle a GSG, even if she has the element of surprise.

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Re: Will they die by this cannon?

Post by kamajii on Thu 17 Sep 2009 - 14:36

Gatling gun on the truck it's cool. But A10 has 30mm Gatling gun and can fly with it Smile
Anyway, I think "Metal storm" sistems more suited for stationary systems or for "one-shoot" systems. Even so high shooting speed would be decreased by reload speed, if we want 1500-2000 round in stock.

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Re: Will they die by this cannon?

Post by kamajii on Thu 17 Sep 2009 - 14:39

Kiskaloo wrote:Yup. A competent infantry platoon should be able to dismantle a GSG, even if she has the element of surprise.
I think so too. But... Fratello work in pair often, especially vs serios enemy. And four gunslingers it's power Smile

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Re: Will they die by this cannon?

Post by Kiskaloo on Thu 17 Sep 2009 - 14:44

Still, they lack combat tactics. Time and again it's been shown they operate on the element of surprise (their targets don't expect a 10-13 year old girl to be an assassin) and the application of significant firepower (SMGs and PDWs instead of pistols).

A squad/element is small enough that a GSG could successfully neutralize them in an ambush, however against a larger unit (like a platoon), they won't be able to inflict enough damage quickly enough to render them combat ineffective and they're not built to withstand the amount of lead a military unit can dish out nor do they have the training, tactics and discipline to successfully remain in contact with such a unit.

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Re: Will they die by this cannon?

Post by rusty-spring on Thu 17 Sep 2009 - 15:11

Kiskaloo wrote:A squad/element is small enough that a GSG could successfully neutralize them in an ambush, however against a larger unit (like a platoon), they won't be able to inflict enough damage quickly enough to render them combat ineffective and they're not built to withstand the amount of lead a military unit can dish out nor do they have the training, tactics and discipline to successfully remain in contact with such a unit.

Yup. Plus, at most a fratello could simultaneously fire 4 guns at once, if they were both dual wielding (which I can't see many of them doing.) A platoon will have 30-50 guns. That's nearly 10 times the amount of firepower. If the girls were perhaps robotic, and not half-living/organic, then maybe. But eventually 30-50 of those guns are gonna hit, and when they do only more will follow.

That's not taking into account strategy/tactics like flanking/crossfire and such.


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Re: Will they die by this cannon?

Post by Awinnell on Thu 17 Sep 2009 - 15:11

kamajii wrote:Gatling gun on the truck it's cool. But A10 has 30mm Gatling gun and can fly with it

The A10's gun the GAU 8/a alone is 6.06 m (19 ft 10.5 in) long and weighs 281 kg (619.5 lb) the ammo drums almost 2 m long (about 5 ft)
the complete weapon, with feed system and drum, weighs 4,029 pounds (1,828 kg) with a maximum ammunition load,simple fact is you are never going to get a gun of that caliber on a robot that small,so the 24 round 40mm metal storm unit makes a lot more sense !

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Re: Will they die by this cannon?

Post by kamajii on Thu 17 Sep 2009 - 15:27

Awinnell wrote:...so the 24 round 40mm metal storm unit makes a lot more sense !
I can agree with you. But it will be "one-shoot weapon" like moving mine.

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Re: Will they die by this cannon?

Post by kamajii on Thu 17 Sep 2009 - 15:36

rusty-spring wrote:Yup. Plus, at most a fratello could simultaneously fire 4 guns at once, if they were both dual wielding (which I can't see many of them doing.) A platoon will have 30-50 guns. That's nearly 10 times the amount of firepower. If the girls were perhaps robotic, and not half-living/organic, then maybe. But eventually 30-50 of those guns are gonna hit, and when they do only more will follow.
It's strange comparision. Even in face-to-face combat attacking side must have 4:1. Even one man with machine gun in street combat can kill some douzen of people. The anti-troops mine like "claimore" can increase the chance of small group.

rusty-spring wrote:That's not taking into account strategy/tactics like flanking/crossfire and such.
It's very important.

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Post by Nachtsider on Thu 17 Sep 2009 - 20:01

kamajii wrote:It's strange comparision. Even in face-to-face combat attacking side must have 4:1. Even one man with machine gun in street combat can kill some douzen of people. The anti-troops mine like "claimore" can increase the chance of small group.
Hard-and-fast rule? I've seen it been broken before.

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Post by kamajii on Fri 18 Sep 2009 - 3:13

Nachtsider wrote:Hard-and-fast rule? I've seen it been broken before.
Excuse me for my poor english, I don't understand. Smile

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Re: Will they die by this cannon?

Post by LoC978 on Fri 18 Sep 2009 - 13:06

basically, the 4:1 rule for attacking forces doesn't always apply. There are many ways to gain enough advantage to transform a battle into a one-way slaughter... for either side.

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Post by kamajii on Fri 18 Sep 2009 - 13:33

LoC978 wrote:basically, the 4:1 rule for attacking forces doesn't always apply.
It's clear for me.

I know that is very old rule, for equal military forces on bouth sides and for prepeared defence.

My "4:1" is the same as
rusty-spring wrote:...a fratello could simultaneously fire 4 guns at
once... A platoon will have 30-50 guns. That's nearly 10 times the
amount of firepower.

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