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Re: Marisa & Elio Concept Art

Post by Kiskaloo on Sun 22 Nov 2009 - 11:13

To quote Adam Savage from Mythbusters - "That's your problem right there!"

Marisa, Henrietta and Rico all learned on too weak a car.

Claes learned to drive with a Lamborghini Gallardo Spyder and Kara with a Ferrari 456. Yes, they have vast amounts of power, but they also handle and, more importantly, brake really well. Wink

And before you scoff, I learned to drive on a Porsche 928 S and my youngest sister learned to drive with my Nissan 300ZX Twin Turbo.

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Re: Marisa & Elio Concept Art

Post by Professor Voodoo on Thu 7 Jan 2010 - 5:49

I haven't had much luck writing for a few days, so tonight I did some drawing instead.

Marisa running a determined lap at the SWA obstacle course.

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Re: Marisa & Elio Concept Art

Post by Robert Frazer on Thu 7 Jan 2010 - 8:20

Hey, I was wondering when you'd treat us to another picture. It's always nice to have a bit of art to enliven things. Smile

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Re: Marisa & Elio Concept Art

Post by Alfisti on Thu 7 Jan 2010 - 8:56

As Robert said: always great to see more art around the place Very Happy

From an artistic standpoint - Great action poseing, Mari really looks like she's going all out, and also props for Rugby jersy.

As a scene I think it would possibly have more impact if you swung the viewpoint more around to the front of her and lowered the angle. That way you'd also be able to show some more of the (cyborg scaled) obstical course at the same time. I mean, we all know what we're looking at because of the previous "obstical course" discussion, what you're written in the story and so forth. However as a stand-alone image it sort of just looks like a girl sprinting.

Oh, and great work on her hands... I personally loathe drawing hands.

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Re: Marisa & Elio Concept Art

Post by Professor Voodoo on Tue 12 Jan 2010 - 4:19

@Alfisti wrote:
As a scene I think it would possibly have more impact if you swung the viewpoint more around to the front of her and lowered the angle.

In the interest of expedience I used a line model for this. I found an acceptable picture of a female running, broke it down to a stick figure, and then drew my character based on the proportions. I can do it the hard way too, but honestly the results are no better for the added work.
This picture isn't really meant to tell a story...more like a snapshot of an average day in the life of Marisa.

We've seen Marisa training, but handler's also need to stay fit, to keep up with their young cyborgs. Here's Elio working out in the adult's gym...

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Re: Marisa & Elio Concept Art

Post by Alfisti on Tue 12 Jan 2010 - 8:05

...infact a handler probably has to spend more time staying fit than his cyborg, seeing as handlers are only flesh and blood =P Pic looks good, Elio's wearing a very intense expression. Something looks odd about his punching arm though. However, to be honest, fully extended limbs tend to look odd at the best of times anyway.

@Professor Voodoo wrote:In the interest of expedience I used a line model for this. I found an
acceptable picture of a female running, broke it down to a stick
figure, and then drew my character based on the proportions. I can do
it the hard way too, but honestly the results are no better for the
added work.
This picture isn't really meant to tell a story...more like a snapshot of an average day in the life of Marisa.

Ah, I see, cool. I get where you're coming from too. I used to draw everything from scratch, but these days (mostly for background stuff admittedly) I'll often find a suitable stock image to get a basic outline off then alter it to fit in... particularly if a scene's going to be really complex or my original sketch didn't really show much background detail. I find drawing freehand on the computer very difficult an generally need to sketch on paper set a picture up first.

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Re: Marisa & Elio Concept Art

Post by Professor Voodoo on Tue 12 Jan 2010 - 8:20

@Alfisti wrote: Something looks odd about his punching arm though. However, to be honest, fully extended limbs tend to look odd at the best of times anyway.
My feeble attempt at illustrating a right-hook. He's also wearing a shapeless sweatshirt, which hides musculature...Elio's a bit old for tank-tops or skin tight muscle shirts.


I used to draw everything from scratch, but these days (mostly for background stuff admittedly) I'll often find a suitable stock image to get a basic outline off then alter it to fit in... particularly if a scene's going to be really complex or my original sketch didn't really show much background detail. I find drawing freehand on the computer very difficult an generally need to sketch on paper set a picture up first.
Another cheat I'm guilty of is cutting & pasting a face from one of my previous pieces, then changing the expression to suit the new drawing. It saves the time of creating a whole new face, and keeps the character looking more consistent.

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Re: Marisa & Elio Concept Art

Post by Alfisti on Tue 12 Jan 2010 - 8:41

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@Alfisti wrote: Something looks odd about his punching arm though. However, to be honest, fully extended limbs tend to look odd at the best of times anyway.
My feeble attempt at illustrating a right-hook. He's also wearing a shapeless sweatshirt, which hides musculature...Elio's a bit old for tank-tops or skin tight muscle shirts.

Heh, I know what you mean... I've got a right-hook sitting in photoshop at the moment and it's, umm... it's not fantastic. It's a suprisingly difficult pose to do.


@Professor Voodoo wrote:
Another cheat I'm guilty of is cutting & pasting a face from one of my previous pieces, then changing the expression to suit the new drawing. It saves the time of creating a whole new face, and keeps the character looking more consistent.

I do this a lot for uni assignments actually, where the product has got to stay consistent. For example, the box that Monty's sitting on in this is the one in the right foreground from this with a bit of extra work done on it. For that matter you'll note the image of Jethro on his Wiki page is just a crop of that last drawing

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Re: Marisa & Elio Concept Art

Post by ElfenMagix on Fri 15 Jan 2010 - 11:43

Those are great pics Voodoo.

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Re: Marisa & Elio Concept Art

Post by Alfisti on Mon 25 Jan 2010 - 22:05

Well, I'm not to sure where to put this, but seeing as it's Mari and Elio's thread:



Quick design proof for Voodoo's approval before turning the two into a comic. There's a few minor changes need making, but yeah.

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Re: Marisa & Elio Concept Art

Post by ElfenMagix on Mon 25 Jan 2010 - 23:07

high marks in my book!

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Re: Marisa & Elio Concept Art

Post by Professor Voodoo on Mon 25 Jan 2010 - 23:34

He did do a great job on this; Alfisti I hope you'll do one of these for the other OC fratelli that will be appearing in your work.

By the way, Elio says he appreciates the flattering size of his fore-arms. All that time in the gym pays off after all.
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Re: Marisa & Elio Concept Art

Post by Robert Frazer on Mon 25 Jan 2010 - 23:55

Heheheh, he calls them "Thunder" and "Cannon".

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Re: Marisa & Elio Concept Art

Post by ElfenMagix on Tue 26 Jan 2010 - 0:13

@Professor Voodoo wrote:By the way, Elio says he appreciates the flattering size of his fore-arms. All that time in the gym pays off after all.
Now if he had anchors on them and a corn cob pipe and have speak "I yam what I yam..." Evil

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Re: Marisa & Elio Concept Art

Post by Professor Voodoo on Tue 26 Jan 2010 - 0:23

The dissenting viewpoint...

Marisa: Umm, Mr. Alfisti? I love the job you've done, but I'd like to point out that Elio has been known to give me a whack with the hands at the end of those arms. Even though always I totally deserve it, did you need to make them so big? Have pity on a poor cyborg!


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Re: Marisa & Elio Concept Art

Post by Alfisti on Tue 26 Jan 2010 - 0:33

@Professor Voodoo wrote:The dissenting viewpoint...

Marisa: Umm, Mr. Alfisti? I love the job you've done, but I'd like to point out that Elio has been known to give me a whack with the hands at the end of those arms (although I totally deserved it). Did you need to make them so big?

Could have been worse, I was flicking back and forward between drawing this, reading Marvel comics and listeining to the Streetfighter IV soundtrack (yeah, massive geek day)... some of the style of the latter two may have rubbed off

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Post by emperor on Tue 26 Jan 2010 - 6:37

Alfisti,you did so good on Elio! He looks real nice.


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Re: Marisa & Elio Concept Art

Post by Professor Voodoo on Sat 13 Mar 2010 - 18:25

A peek into the mind of Marisa...

In an SWA van illuminated by only one red lightbulb, Jean Croce briefs the cyborgs & handlers on tonight's safehouse raid.

Jean: Alright, we're doing this by the book...teams C & B enter via the windows on the east & west side, team A will attack from the north. Handlers will stay outside to kill or capture any survivors that escape out the front door.

Elio gives his cyborg a glance to make sure she's paying attention. He is happy to see her concentrating intently. He imagines this is what she is visualizing...

...but he is wrong; this is what Marisa is actually thinking...
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Post by Kiskaloo on Sat 13 Mar 2010 - 20:23

So she's going to be watching Dinoshark on SyFy tonight?

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Post by Alfisti on Sat 13 Mar 2010 - 22:04

I take it Mari's going to be asking for a trail-bike at some point...

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Post by Professor Voodoo on Sat 13 Mar 2010 - 22:59

@Kiskaloo wrote:So she's going to be watching Dinoshark on SyFy tonight?
She'd probably love it. Try as Elio might to educate his student in the art of cinema, she judges a film's greatness by the number of explosions, plane crashes and most importantly, sword fights.


@Alfisti wrote:I take it Mari's going to be asking for a trail-bike at some point...
Well, that's a possibility. Unlike an 11 year old driving a car it is actually realistic-looking (I started around 9 or 10). She rides pillion on Elio's Ducati, so she's comfortable around bikes. I doubt she'll be riding recon on any missions (leaving that territory for Marder's Adeline), but maybe on the trails around the compound.

I don't know...let's see if she can behave herself and avoid any major destructive incidents for at least a month.

Elio & Mari visit the local Suzuki dealership...just looking...

Marisa: Ohhh, this is the one, Elio! (runs her fingers across the seat, which sits at nearly her shoulder height) It's sooooo awesome!

Elio: (facepalm) Marisa, that's an RM-Z450 motocrosser, it's a full blown race bike, not a trail bike. Riding this thing would be like having a bomb under your butt.


Marisa: Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Like I said; awesome!

Elio: Lass, I'm gonna cut you off right there. We are limiting choices to bikes with seats from which you can actually reach the ground.

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Post by Alfisti on Sun 14 Mar 2010 - 7:49

@Professor Voodoo wrote:I doubt she'll be riding recon on any missions (leaving that territory
for Marder's Adeline), but maybe on the trails around the compound.




But yeah... knowing a few folks who ride similar, not a good plan. Something like a PW50 might be more suitable. I remember hooning around a mate's property on one of those as a kid, or an Ag-bike.

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Post by Professor Voodoo on Sun 14 Mar 2010 - 16:16

@Alfisti wrote:
But yeah... knowing a few folks who ride similar, not a good plan. Something like a PW50 might be more suitable. I remember hooning around a mate's property on one of those as a kid, or an Ag-bike.

Famous video there...Bud Elkins jumping the fence on a Nazi Triumph. McQueen could have done the stunt himself (he worked in Elkin's Southern California bike shop for fun, rode in the Baja 1000 multiple times & represented the US in the International Six Day Trials) , but I'm sure his producers and their insurance agents nixed that. I love how McQueen gives respect to the bike after he finally does wind up in the barbed wire.

Concerning the PW50 idea....

Marisa: (in a frantic, panicked voice) Elioooooo....don't listen to Mr. Alfisti! He's had one too many Negroni's! A PW50 is way too small!

Voodoo: Frankly, I have to agree with her. A Honda CRF100, or Yamaha TT-R110 would fit her size better.

Marisa: See...see...listen to Mr. Voodoo instead!
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Post by Kiskaloo on Sun 14 Mar 2010 - 17:58

Just keep her out of sight of Michele's MV Agusta F4 Tamburini evo or Kara's Ducati 998S.

Especially since Kara is not much on bikes so she might be inclined to "trade" time on it to Marisa for doing chores around the compound like raking Claes' Japanese garden or cleaning her and Ilaria's room before the weekly inspection by Ferro and her "White Glove of Detention".

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Post by Professor Voodoo on Sun 14 Mar 2010 - 18:32

@Kiskaloo wrote:Just keep her out of sight of Michele's MV Agusta F4 Tamburini evo or Kara's Ducati 998S.
Elio: (faceplam) I see none of you people are taking my edict of "no bikes with seats too high to reach the ground" edict seriously.

That notwithstanding, an 11 year old might fit on a 916/996/998 rather nicely. I know it's a torture rack for me at 5'11". I've never tried sitting on an F4, so I can't testify to that.

cleaning (Kara) and Ilaria's room before the weekly inspection
Does that imply that their room tends to get a bit...ummm, disorderly?

Kara: (angrily stamping her foot) Mr. Kiskaloo! You swore you wouldn't tell anyone!
Marisa: Don't worry Kara, acetone gets the stains out of everything! But check under the bed for cats first, okay?

by Ferro and her "White Glove of Detention".
I like that phrase. That might have to work its way into a story or two...
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Post by Kiskaloo on Sun 14 Mar 2010 - 18:50

@Professor Voodoo wrote:Does that imply that their room tends to get a bit...ummm, disorderly?

Well they are teenage girls... Wink

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Post by ElfenMagix on Sun 14 Mar 2010 - 19:52

@Professor Voodoo wrote:
Does that imply that their room tends to get a bit...ummm, disorderly?

Kara: (angrily stamping her foot) Mr. Kiskaloo! You swore you wouldn't tell anyone!
Marisa: Don't worry Kara, acetone gets the stains out of everything! But check under the bed for cats first, okay?
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Post by Professor Voodoo on Sun 14 Mar 2010 - 20:17

@ElfenMagix wrote: What would Meeshie or Liora be doing in their rooms?!!
It refers to another thread. Marisa incinerates Michele Pagani's Lamborghini Gallardo while trying to scrub dead bugs off the paint with acetone (not very good for the paint to begin with).

When the fire is blamed on flammable solvent hitting the "cats" Mari has no idea that it's the catalytic convertors being refered to...hence she keeps a sharp eye out for dangerous felines while working with acetone. At any other time, Marisa has nothing against cats. The only animals she truly hates are dolphins.

Marisa: Because they're assholes.

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Post by Alfisti on Mon 15 Mar 2010 - 3:06

@Professor Voodoo wrote:
Concerning the PW50 idea....

Marisa: (in a frantic, panicked voice) Elioooooo....don't listen to Mr. Alfisti! He's had one too many Negroni's! A PW50 is way too small!

Too small, probably... but hilarious to watch.

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Post by Professor Voodoo on Sat 27 Mar 2010 - 13:24

Something I've been back-burnering for a long time, but finally finished last night...
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Post by Kiskaloo on Sat 27 Mar 2010 - 13:26

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Post by boomer_gonz on Sat 27 Mar 2010 - 14:14

ROTFL

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Post by crazyidiot78 on Sat 27 Mar 2010 - 15:52

LOL damit now i have to clean my computer screen last time i drink milk when i check the forum
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Post by Alfisti on Sat 27 Mar 2010 - 20:28

^ What Kisk said.

Ah-hahaha! Awesome, cruel, but awesome!

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Post by Professor Voodoo on Tue 30 Mar 2010 - 0:16

@Alfisti wrote:
cruel, but awesome!

You'd have to be a prick bastard sometimes to survive having Marisa for a trainee.
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Post by MP5 on Tue 30 Mar 2010 - 0:20

Oh my god, that's hilarious!

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Post by Alfisti on Tue 30 Mar 2010 - 7:47

@Professor Voodoo wrote:
@Alfisti wrote:
cruel, but awesome!

You'd have to be a prick bastard sometimes to survive having Marisa for a trainee.

I'm sure Monty at least thinks its funny.

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Post by Professor Voodoo on Wed 31 Mar 2010 - 5:07

@Alfisti wrote: I'm sure Monty at least thinks its funny.
Monty might be amused by Mr. Alboreto, but I'm fairly certain she would hate having him as her own handler.
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Post by Alfisti on Wed 31 Mar 2010 - 8:15

@Professor Voodoo wrote:Monty might be amused by Mr. Alboreto, but I'm fairly certain she would hate having him as her own handler.

Probably... I'm sure there'd be a significantly less relaxed attitude toward the cyborg+alcohol equation for starters, and less opportunity to shoot holes in her boss's plans/speak her mind.

That said, the impression I get of Elio (and correct me if I'm wrong here) is that a lot of the time he'd tends to step on Mari because Mari needs someone to step on her. I wonder if he'd be as strict with someone who didn't, umm, get into as much mischief as Mari does.

As a side note, I don't think Monty's called anyone "Mr." since her training days... not unless she's ticked at them.

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Post by Professor Voodoo on Sat 3 Apr 2010 - 1:50

I missed this post earlier.
@Alfisti wrote:Probably... I'm sure there'd be a significantly less relaxed attitude toward the cyborg+alcohol equation for starters, and less opportunity to shoot holes in her boss's plans/speak her mind.
I think you're correct there. Elio will listen to a cyborg's plan, as long as it's presented at the right time & place (i.e. don't sneak into a restricted meeting and blurt it out).
As far as booze goes, he isn't totally against the girl's tipping a glass now and then, but he's certainly not as cool as Jethro.

the impression I get of Elio (and correct me if I'm wrong here) is that a lot of the time he'd tends to step on Mari because Mari needs someone to step on her. I wonder if he'd be as strict with someone who didn't, umm, get into as much mischief as Mari does.

Lorenzo: I believe I'm in the best position to answer that...I've known the old bastard the longest. Having a cyborg has actually mellowed Alboreto. When he was a Field Commander in the Ministry of Intellegence he was a bigger arsehole than he is now. If one of his people did something dumb (like calling him that nick-name he hates) back then he was likely to punch them in the face. Elio would never do that to one of the girls, no matter what they did.
Still, no matter how competent the cyborg he still considers them subordinates, and expects his orders to be followed with a minimum of back-chat.

I don't think Monty's called anyone "Mr." since her training days... not unless she's ticked at them.
Good to know. It's these kind of verbal quirks that help flesh out a character.
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Post by Alfisti on Sat 3 Apr 2010 - 8:20

@Professor Voodoo wrote: As far as booze goes, he isn't totally against the girl's tipping a glass now and then, but he's certainly not as cool as Jethro.

Monty does rather like a drink, probably more regularly than most cyborgs... however you're not likely to ever find her drunk. As I think you've already guessed: most of the fratello's booze talk is just bravado and jest.

@Professor Voodoo wrote:Lorenzo: I believe I'm in the best position to answer that...I've known the old bastard the longest. Having a cyborg has actually mellowed Alboreto. When he was a Field Commander in the Ministry of Intellegence he was a bigger arsehole than he is now. If one of his people did something dumb (like calling him that nick-name he hates) back then he was likely to punch them in the face. Elio would never do that to one of the girls, no matter what they did.
Still, no matter how competent the cyborg he still considers them subordinates, and expects his orders to be followed with a minimum of back-chat.

Yeah, Monty-doesn't-suffer-fools-Blacker definately likes Elio's style. And since he's not her handler, in her mind, he's not her problem.

That said, it's going to be interesting if they do a joint op... because while he doesn't expect back-chat (beyond the usual shit slinging), Jethro does expect Monty to play Devil's Advocate. Again it's a practicality of their usually independent operations: other handers have the SWA staff to bounce ideas off, Jethro's got Monty and that's about it. Once a job's rolling then he expects and trusts her to exercise her own judgement and not fuck it up through stupidity (which is why she doesn't get a right bollocking for accidentally killing Ebanovich when Jethro would have prefered him alive). Quite aside from that, and possibly due to the circumstances of his own expulsion from MI6, Jethro isn't about to judge the bloke (or in this case cyborg) at the coal face if he's confident in their abilities.

Hmm, if Elio considers all cyborgs his subordinates, that's going to make for interesting times on the Monaco job. There Monty's just automaticaly slipped into the role of Jethro's 2IC, so could well be handing out orders on her own judgement... should be fun


@Professor Voodoo wrote:
@Alfisti wrote:I don't think Monty's called anyone "Mr." since her training days... not unless she's ticked at them.
Good to know. It's these kind of verbal quirks that help flesh out a character.

Monty, whether correctly or incorrectly, considers herself to be slightly higher up the SWA pecking order than the average cyborg (probably mostly Jethro's fault). It's one way to help show that.

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Post by ElfenMagix on Sat 3 Apr 2010 - 9:07

Interesting comments there to you both: Alfisti and Prof. Voodoo.

Both are different to the Fernando/Rachel & Francesca team greatly.

For starters, since breaking the emotional programmed response routines from his girls, they have become more attached and more willing to do things a right by Fernando. Only flaw in this is that they now are more 'human' in that their emotions run free and they must be in control of them instead of allowing some drug making them perpetually happy. So they loose some concentration just for that. Secondly, their ability to learn has been normalized since they are no longer focused under the control of the drug. The one thing that is scary is what is known as 'Mission Mode', when the cyborg goes all out to protect itself and its handler, at any price it deems possible. We seen this in Heniretta when she goes berzerk in protecting Jose. Its just as bad in these two if not worse.

But Fernando sees his 'girls' as equals. He maybe their handler/trainer/teacher/supervisor to them on the job, but they are still people to him- (god)daughter in one and mission wife in the other. For him, no matter how much is taken away from their bodies and replaced with mechanisms, they are still human. And in this human factor that Fernando deals with his girls. As cyborgs, these girls have no rights, they are Italian Government Property which the government have invested heavily on and want to see a positive return on them. Fernando fought hard in reestablishing Rachel's rights as a person and surprisingly won. Now its Francesca's turn; in marrying her under an agency false wedding, Francesca has won some freedoms to act on her own, to move about freely, to do as she needs to get done without being told to do so. She did very well in her solo mission in the beginning of UN Resolution, until the UN decided to implement plans of their own and she had to be gathered up by Fernando or be captured and be used as evidence. In this neither of his girls have failed him and they will continue to do their best for him, mistakes willing.

But under all this freedom, it seems that they are more conditioned because they are totally devoted to him by their own accord. This was unexpected. His cyborgs genuinely love him and he return that love to them as best as he can. The other handlers dont like what is going on because they dont want such an attachment in what they see as their professional lives.

In the two girls, there are vast differences. Rachel is opinionated and vocal, ans still is a teenager. Francesca is more tolerant but yet inquisitive, even being a young adult in age and redesign construction. To each other, they can go at it like cats and dogs at times. During training, intell verification and even in mission set up, they can express themselves like no handler would want their cyborg to act out as. But once Fernando establishes mission parameters and mission start, these two can be worse than a T-100 gunning after you. Sometimes I wonder how they would act with other OC. Rachel w/Danjo's Britney, it would be a hell of a party to happen, which is why they stay away from each other. But with Elio or Jethro? I can see them liking Francesca but at the same time abandoning Rachel at some street corner in the middle of nowhere near the mission with orders to defend the spot! And unfortunately, she will...

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Post by Alfisti on Sat 3 Apr 2010 - 10:48

I think you'd have to be more worried about Monty pushing for another cyborg to be ditched than Jethro. Though she's probably got a stiff enough upper lip to just deal with it professionally... and maybe have a bitch to Jethro later:



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While Monty may not have had changes to her conditioning like Rachel and Francesca she is very much Jethro's cyborg. It wasn't always like that, but at the time that I've started the comic she'd probably put Jethro's wishes above an Agency directive. That would be a case of in-built programming (the Agency doesn't really trust Jethro that much but sees him as a sort of nessacary evil) vs. a genuine trust and affection. It at least allows the pair their own way to allow Monty some freedom, which comes under "what the Brass don't know won't hurt them."

As for Jethro, he's by now horribly attached to Monty, more than he'd like to admit, and trusts her implicitly. She's very bright (not just book smarts, but actually sharp and quick thinking... even if she falls down socially, possibly because she can't understand why no-one else can see the obvious fucking answer) and whatever crosses Jethro's metaphorical desk, classified or otherwise, he passes on. Actually it's often a case of vice-versa since, on the road at least, Monty's answering his mail, fielding his phonecalls and generally acting as a filter to get rid of the crap he doesn't really need to see. As I said before: she's pretty much the ultimate second in command.

There's probably an urge on both sides to let their relationship develop into something a bit more intimate, but Jethro's got too many moral and personal hangups to let that happen. And because Jethro won't, Monty won't either.

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Post by ElfenMagix on Sat 3 Apr 2010 - 11:46

@Alfisti wrote:...
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While Monty may not have had changes to her conditioning like Rachel and Francesca she is very much Jethro's cyborg. It wasn't always like that, but at the time that I've started the comic she'd probably put Jethro's wishes above an Agency directive. That would be a case of in-built programming (the Agency doesn't really trust Jethro that much but sees him as a sort of nessacary evil) vs. a genuine trust and affection. It at least allows the pair their own way to allow Monty some freedom, which comes under "what the Brass don't know won't hurt them."

As for Jethro, he's by now horribly attached to Monty, more than he'd like to admit, and trusts her implicitly. She's very bright (not just book smarts, but actually sharp and quick thinking... even if she falls down socially, possibly because she can't understand why no-one else can see the obvious fucking answer) and whatever crosses Jethro's metaphorical desk, classified or otherwise, he passes on. Actually it's often a case of vice-versa since, on the road at least, Monty's answering his mail, fielding his phonecalls and generally acting as a filter to get rid of the crap he doesn't really need to see. As I said before: she's pretty much the ultimate second in command.

There's probably an urge on both sides to let their relationship develop into something a bit more intimate, but Jethro's got too many moral and personal hangups to let that happen. And because Jethro won't, Monty won't either.

Rachel was set to the minimum dosage at Fernando's insistence. But her initial programming fractured her memories into a jumbled mess. This is the reason why Fernando undid her programming, above it all being their relationship before she was cyborg'd. Francesca on the other hand was a mess altogether when she was found, and with the med-techs wishes to find out what makes her tick (without the conditioning meds and how she could have lasted 10+ years without them), The chief final decision was "Fernando found her, Fernando can have her- you conduct your research through him while she in in the field!" That was something nobody wanted. By accident, they partially erased something in Francesca they should not have- her ability to decypher input and reasoning, which is why Francesca tend to be an airhead at times and she can take so long on making decisions for herself on simple things. She can not be told to get dressed, she needs to be told how to get dressed and what to wear. But on the other hand, given time and practice, she improves. Given strict daily guidelines for an everyday routine, she functions. Given mission intell, directives and goals- I would not want to be under her targeting scope! She is as vicious as Rachel is at times in that form... All the girls are vicious in that sense! lol! Their current dosage of the medication is set to as minimal level for the girls to operate their cybernetics with, at least without pain or needless suffering.

Relationship wise, I believe that the Med-Techs (From Bianchi and Balarus on down) all want the cyborg corps to give it all to their handlers- literally! Right down to panty dropping escapades when ordered to do so, and they would. "If I'm willing to die for you, sex would be a very minor thing to give you...", was Francesca's response to her first handler when she first came off the assembly line. This emotional and mental game crap is something Fernando never liked (another reason for him to break their programmed responses). Its nothing short of brainwashing in his opinion. Though Rachel would not mind pushing their father/daughter relationship past normal areas of function, Fernando has to draw the lines as to where that relationship can go. With Francesca, Fernando would not ever want to push the emotional envelope with her. Not that he wants too, but he does not want to see her get hurt if she sees the relationship one way and it conflicts with how he sees it should be. Having them free of their programming at least gives them the opportunity to explore themselves and their options in what they have with him. Lauro once told Jose, "The cyborgs are great, you can order them to go get you bread or a gun and they would do it. But they are nothing more than mechanical robots and you can not get emotionally tied to them..." As we know, Elsa killed Lauro for not being emotional to her when she needed it. Fernando would be proud to see that Jethro has some sense in love and care for his cyborg. He has seen too many who abuse their girls in one form or another, and he's not too happy about it.

Since the day Fernando was introduced to his cyborg who turned out to be his little girl, the SWA never trusted Fernando as they do their other handlers. 1) He's an outside, from America no less. 2)He works for both the SWA and the CIA under a unified anti-terrorist plan. 3)He has punched out those members in the SWA who in his belief needed to be punched out. 4)He does not care about Italy's Padania problem- which is mainly political; their terrorism is from the fact they cant fight their war legislatively. But if it covers terrorism, Fernando will do his job as he sees fit. Which brings on #5)How he sees fit for the job to be done may not agree with others in the agency. Fernando tends to do his own intell work, verification and then takes action accordingly. If he has to do the job alone, then he will. More times than not, the Agency has been in situations where they have been out-gunned, out-manned, out-everything and only by sheer luck have they won. This is a situation Fernando does not want to be in. Leaping out of a 35 story window should not be a viable option for escape, and he's been there on more than one occasion.

For more or less the same reasons I state here for my OCs, I love the current set you and the others have put on the table. The stories set by you guys put out set emotion and logic into a questionable relationship and puts it in a way that is digestible on all levels. Each team brings on a dynamic all its own to the agency.

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Post by Alfisti on Sat 3 Apr 2010 - 22:49

@ElfenMagix wrote:3)He has punched out those members in the SWA who in his belief needed to be punched out.

...Monty likes Fernando already


Sounds like Jethro suffers similar SWA trust issues to Fernando: pulled in from outside... though in his case it was because the SWA needed someone with a specific skills set. Unfortunately for them to do so meant they employed someone who's both an ex-spy (for the British) and an ex-criminal (in a white-collar, gentleman-theif type way). He and Monty also do much of their own intel work, but that's simply because they tend to wind up places where the Italians don't have many, or any, eyes. Sending that back to the SWA for assessement and approval of the fratello's next step would take to long so they tend to operate fairly independently... which ticks Jean off no end. Particularly when the support department gets a request for something coming from a couple of thousand miles away from where the J&M were supposed to be, and probably signed off by a cyborg.

As to the medical mob... there does seem to be a tendency for the cyborgs to come out with a leaning toward, uhh, "maximum malleability" I guess my theory has generally been that, aside from basic handler requests such as conditioning level, and complications like Rachel's, the average cyborg comes out the end of the assembly line pretty much the same: loyal to the SWA, then to their handler, ready to please etc. Then it's a matter how how the handler trains and treats them, how high he sets their conditioning etc that shapes them from there.

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Post by Kiskaloo on Sun 4 Apr 2010 - 11:48

@Alfisti wrote:I guess my theory has generally been that, aside from basic handler requests such as conditioning level, and complications like Rachel's, the average cyborg comes out the end of the assembly line pretty much the same: loyal to the SWA, then to their handler, ready to please etc. Then it's a matter how how the handler trains and treats them, how high he sets their conditioning etc that shapes them from there.

The manga seems to support such a view, IMO.

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Post by Professor Voodoo on Wed 4 Aug 2010 - 23:00

Although Marisa usually thrives in an atmosphere of chaos, even she needs a little private time to relax and clear her mind.


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Post by Alfisti on Thu 5 Aug 2010 - 9:23

I would be willing to pay that that was Mari... except that that dress is way too white for anything that's been in her hands for more than ten minutes.

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Ooh. Good buoyancy control!

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Post by Robert Frazer on Thu 5 Aug 2010 - 17:23

Here is a similar image that was featured on DeviantArt today that could also fit for Marisa, even to the hair colour. The photographer called it "Tomorrow Never Dies":


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Post by Professor Voodoo on Thu 5 Aug 2010 - 23:20

@Alfisti wrote: that dress is way too white for anything that's been in her hands for more than ten minutes.
Marisa: Aww come on! It's not like I try to ruin my outfits!

Incidentally, a Marisa/white dress incident occurs in the episode I'm working on right now.


@Robert Frazer wrote:Ooh. Good buoyancy control!
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Post by Awinnell on Fri 6 Aug 2010 - 1:11

@Professor Voodoo wrote:
@Robert Frazer wrote:Ooh. Good buoyancy control!
Much better than mine I confess. My fictional character is a much more skilled diver than I am. The second underwater pic is a great find.

have you tried diving whilst dressed in a tutu ?

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@Awinnell wrote:
@Professor Voodoo wrote:
@Robert Frazer wrote:Ooh. Good buoyancy control!
Much better than mine I confess. My fictional character is a much more skilled diver than I am. The second underwater pic is a great find.

have you tried diving whilst dressed in a tutu ?
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Post by Alfisti on Sat 7 Aug 2010 - 11:42

@Professor Voodoo wrote:
@Awinnell wrote:have you tried diving whilst dressed in a tutu ?
Hmmm...that might be my problem. I should try that.
Do you going to be drunk... or do you intend to fessing up to having tried that whilst sober?

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@Professor Voodoo wrote:
@Awinnell wrote:
@Professor Voodoo wrote:
@Robert Frazer wrote:Ooh. Good buoyancy control!
Much better than mine I confess. My fictional character is a much more skilled diver than I am. The second underwater pic is a great find.

have you tried diving whilst dressed in a tutu ?
Hmmm...that might be my problem. I should try that.



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Post by Professor Voodoo on Sat 7 Aug 2010 - 20:30

@Alfisti wrote:Do you going to be drunk...
Appropriate that you typed your post while drunk (I might have to steal that line).
or do you intend to fessing up to having tried that whilst sober?

Alternately you could loose a bet.
Since diving while drunk could potentially lead to the bends I'd say diving in a tutu would have to be the bet itself. Thus far I have never been to a dive shop with man-sized tutu's...but I'll keep looking.

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Kara: "My music sheets for the piano keep drifting off in the current..."

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