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Post by Kalshion on Mon 3 May 2010 - 14:18

I looked, didn't see this mentioned anywhere, though I may have missed it Sad

Anywho, while watching the anime and reading the manga, I noticed that there were never any cyborg boys. Only females, is this because of a male child can't handle the conditioning process? Or is it because of some other factors?

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Post by Kiskaloo on Mon 3 May 2010 - 14:25

Within the "official" world, the reason there are no gunslinging boys is because the series is called Gunslinger Girls. Smile

Within the OC world, Danjo3 hypothesized that boys were not compatible with the conditioning medication. So they could not effectively use their cybernetic implants, which made them ineffective as agents. In his OC world, the boys are treated with contempt and abuse by their handlers, who view the boys as "career wreckers".

I don't recognize cyborg boys in my original OC universe, but now that many of our new members are employing them, I do recognize them in my "Next Generation" OC universe and have retroactively recognized earlier male cyborgs, though I follow Danjo3's view that they were a failure and, unlike Danjo3, I assume the program was terminated and so were the boys, themselves. So these new cyborg boys are of a new generation that actually works.

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Post by Kalshion on Mon 3 May 2010 - 14:37

Well, yea the series did have 'girls' in it :p

I see.... still though, makes me wonder what would happen if they did add them into the official series.

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Post by Professor Voodoo on Mon 3 May 2010 - 14:43

@Kalshion wrote:makes me wonder what would happen if they did add them into the official series.

There would be a great wailing and gnashing of teeth amongst the purist fans, but they'd buy everything Yu writes anyway just so they could bitch about it on the internet.

When Petrushka was introduced people went nuts just because she wasn't a 10 year old loli.

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Post by Robert Frazer on Mon 3 May 2010 - 15:14

No male cyborgs is just part of the setting - it's something that factors into suspension of disbelief. There's no essential narratuve reason why there couldn't be "Gunslinger Guys", but they don't exist chiefly for thematic reasons.

Do you remember the old nursery rhyme, that boys are made out of slugs, snails, and puppy dogs' tails, while girls are sugar & spice & all things nice? Gunslinger Girl is a perfect exemplar of that in action. All boys dream of being action heroes, and there's plenty of fiction out there already to cater to it from Boy's Own to Young Bond. Contrastingly, there's an expectation for girls to be more sedate and serene in their pleasures. Girls have their make-up kits and doll-houses; boys have comic books (or videogames, these days) and football. Girls have Barbie and My Little Pony; boys have G.I. Joe and Transformers.

If you togged up a boy like the Six Million Dollar Man and handed him a gun, his first reaction would be to shout "cool!" and go out and kick ass and take names. He's getting to live out the fantasy that he and so many other boys share, and society assigns to them. Gunslinger Girl, however, derives a lot of its emotive power from discomfiting, unreal juxtaposition: Rico is cleaning a pistol while Henrietta is practising her sewing across the room; little Angelica stands on tippy-toes to peer over something - so she can set up a rifle bipod; they all fight vicious and bloody gunbattles in skirts, pumps, and white knee-highs; Elsa's too small to reach the lift buttons so she prods them with a gunbarrel; Petrushka plays with make-up but not to strut about like a starlet but rather for deception and espionage; they cover up the smell of gunpowder with designer perfumes. Franca identifies Henrietta as a clean, "well-to-do" girl, but she's doing the government's "dirty work". You can only inspire that arresting sense of a transgressive thrill by using girls. For boys it's natural and par for the course, but with girls you're pushing the envelope, and that's a source of power for the storyline and an anchor of interest for the setting.

Furthermore, they can only be girls - you can't have mixed company. Gunslinger Girl is chiefly an interpersonal character drama, all of the girls necessarily relate to each other very closely and intimately, so that we can see their characters plainly and without inhibition - introducing male cyborgs would obfuscate and weaken that essential pillar of the series, because people are less familiar and more distant in mixed company, and the ever-repeating spiral gender politics and battles of the sexes would also distract from the characters' own personal development.

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Post by Kalshion on Mon 3 May 2010 - 15:32

Interesting read there Robert, going to have think on that. But I can understand where you're coming from, just never actually thought of it that way.

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Post by theprodigalson on Mon 3 May 2010 - 17:01

I always guessed, like Danjo3 and Kisk here, that boys simply couldn't take the conditioning process. Some other theories I had:

There is another organization that specializes in boy cyborgs to better conceal the vast budget that such a project would need.

Or perhaps it wasn't cost effective to be constantly retooling the machines to produce the different cybernetics.

All that said, I'm sure the producers would say "Only girls are used to demonstrate the disturbing clash of innocence and human nature and to further appeal to our innate protective nature." And Yu would probably say "Because girls cuteness factor >>>>>>>> boy's cuteness factor!"

Annnnd I just read Robert's reasoning and he articulated it much clearer. That's what I get for trying to be clever with a reply while at work...

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Post by rusty-spring on Mon 3 May 2010 - 17:32

I'm going to play the "Debbie Downer" and say that it's as previous members havementioned. I'm going with "Girls are easier to market (to the majority male anime fans) than boys are." C'mon face it, if someone said "you can either go watch the women's gymnastics team practice, or the men's team." I'd assume almost every male would want to go see the women perform. Not trying to be insensitive, but that's the way our society works.

I'm not one to dwell on why or why not, simply take it as face value. Girls are all we've been shown, so girls it shall be.

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Post by Professor Voodoo on Mon 3 May 2010 - 17:40

#%^&*#, even when Robert writes an explanation it comes out sounding 10x more eloquent than anything I could have concocted.

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Post by KodokuRyuu on Mon 3 May 2010 - 17:54

Robert said it best. Though I will add that Yu is a loliconic pervert, so of course he's not going to add shoutas into the mix.

@Kiskaloo wrote:Within the OC world, Danjo3 hypothesized that boys were not compatible with the conditioning medication. So they could not effectively use their cybernetic implants, which made them ineffective as agents.
In the manga (I think it was volume 8), it showed a boy who got a new leg from the SWA's program. I'm guessing Danjo theorized this before that part came out?
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Post by Kiskaloo on Mon 3 May 2010 - 18:42

@KodokuRyuu wrote:In the manga (I think it was volume 8), it showed a boy who got a new leg from the SWA's program.

He's Angelica's second cousin. The SWA gave him his leg under the "Handicapped Assistance Program". Also, in the story arc with Chairwoman D'Angelo, Monica and Pieri noted that the technology is being introduced (in a less capable form, I imagine) into the public with children.

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Post by Nachtsider on Mon 3 May 2010 - 20:11

There actually isn't any in-universe tenet that says boys can't take the modifications/conditioning. The only requirement is that the candidates be young.

@theprodigalson wrote:There is another organization that specializes in boy cyborgs to better conceal the vast budget that such a project would need.
I'll go with this.

Actually, I've been going with this since 2004.

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Post by Alfisti on Mon 3 May 2010 - 20:26

@Professor Voodoo wrote:#%^&*#, even when Robert writes an explanation it comes out sounding 10x more eloquent than anything I could have concocted.

What he said.

Taking my natural cynic's standpoint though, I've got to agree with Rusty: girls are easier to market. Doubly so to otaku but also to the populace in general, remember manga is somewhat more mainstream in Japan than it is in the western world. I think this possibly would have at least been the initial reason the manga featured girls. Had it been "Gunslinger Boys" I don't know if it would have been picked up by a publisher... or it might have but one specialising in a different sort of manga.

That said: I also agree with what Robert's already stated in that the series would would not have been half as successful had it not been able to play on the emotional aspect of girls. As he said: boys tend to rough-house anyway, stereotypically girls do not. Girls are more emotional, guys are just expected to suck it up. To give Yu Aida credit on that one, he's managed to make the series far more than another round of Rock-'em Sock-'em Cyborgs, which it may have been in danger of becoming had it been "Gunslinger Boys".

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Post by Robert Frazer on Mon 3 May 2010 - 20:52

All that said, I could see Danjo3's explanation that conditioning is incompatible with male neural wiring being aired if the topic ever came up and had to be explained within the narrative of the manga itself. It's a little similar to Space Marines in Warhammer 40,000. Space Marines are genetically-engineered supersoldiers, and also exclusively male. This is because they're not so much a military division as a knightly order of warrior-monks with all of the thematic and aesthetic emphasis on the close spiritual fraternity of a band of brothers that would be spoiled in mixed company. Still, some people continued to make a fuss about there being no women Space Marines, to the point that the writers just threw up their hands and cried "the gene-alteration and artificial organ implants are keyed to male chromosones and hormones and would be rejected by females, so stop bothering us!"

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Post by theprodigalson on Mon 3 May 2010 - 21:25

@Robert Frazer wrote:All that said, I could see Danjo3's explanation that conditioning is incompatible with male neural wiring being aired if the topic ever came up and had to be explained within the narrative of the manga itself. It's a little similar to Space Marines in Warhammer 40,000. Space Marines are genetically-engineered supersoldiers, and also exclusively male. This is because they're not so much a military division as a knightly order of warrior-monks with all of the thematic and aesthetic emphasis on the close spiritual fraternity of a band of brothers that would be spoiled in mixed company. Still, some people continued to make a fuss about there being no women Space Marines, to the point that the writers just threw up their hands and cried "the gene-alteration and artificial organ implants are keyed to male chromosones and hormones and would be rejected by females, so stop bothering us!"

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Post by MP5 on Mon 3 May 2010 - 22:28

Meanwhile, I take a more low-key approach to boys in the world of Tire Tracks and Spent Casings. I don't mention their existence until the fourth chapter, and even then, (at least for the time being, save for Jacen Starslayer's Jay) what importance they do have is largely swept under the rug for later use. They do exist, but they're little known. They don't work often with the girls, because they're often busy doing their own things. the two male cyborgs I've created, Scott and Ike, are also atypical 'boys.' Scott loves hosing down entire rooms with a belt-fed machine gun while Ike's specialty is making things go boom.

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Post by Nachtsider on Mon 3 May 2010 - 22:54

I think we should discuss this issue more from an in-universe perspective. The IRL reasons behind it are fairly obvious.

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Post by Professor Voodoo on Mon 3 May 2010 - 23:08

I'm one of those who has thus far avoided using boy-borgs in his stories, but Jacen's Jay has made me re-consider my position from time to time, due in large part to the interplay he & MP5 have created between their characters.

Until I do change my mind; the female OC I've created is more than capable of delivering the kind of tom-boyish chaos more typically reserved for male characters.

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Post by Jacen Starslayer on Mon 3 May 2010 - 23:11

Jay was rebuilt, primarily to put Priscilla in a position where she was owned like Hillshire by the SWA. Any other applications were merely secondary at least according to Ferro and Jean.

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Post by Kiskaloo on Mon 3 May 2010 - 23:12

I don't refer to them by name, but Allison and Jay are cameoed in Once Again, as are Mari and Monty because of the interplay they have created.

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Post by Godot on Mon 3 May 2010 - 23:35

On a somewhat related note, in Bioshock (an absolute masterpiece of a game), those of you who have played it can note that there are only "Little Sisters" and none of the male variety. The explanation they used was very similiar to some of these responses here. The girls were the only ones whom the process would work on, etc. But the main reason there also seems to be thematic as well. Using only girls really makes what they're doing that much more disturbing. The juxtaposition between who they are and their actions is a lot stronger when you keep them to young girls.
I would like to use this argument against Petra as well, but A) This argument applies primarily against the inclusion of boys and B) I'm not in the mood for reigniting the flame war right now.

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Post by Nachtsider on Tue 4 May 2010 - 0:48

There's actually hints of 'Little Brothers' somewhere in Bioshock, if I'm not mistaken.

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Post by Godot on Tue 4 May 2010 - 0:51

@Nachtsider wrote:There's actually hints of 'Little Brothers' somewhere in Bioshock, if I'm not mistaken.
I'm afraid you are. Here's a transcript of the audio diary.

Tenenbaum - Why Just Girls?
I know why it has to be children, but why just girls? This I cannot determine why, but I know it is so. Fontaine says 'ah, one less bathroom to build in the orphanage'. It is amazing to watch the effect of Adam on their small bodies. Their own cells, replaced by the new stems the instant they are damaged. These children are practically invulnerable. It is a shame you could not do the same thing to an adult. There would be quite a market for a man you could not kill.

And yet another parallel I can draw from Bioshock to GSG from this: the use of children exclusively (girls specifically).


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Post by Nachtsider on Tue 4 May 2010 - 1:03

Well, I guess I was half right. They only appear in the concept art book.

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Post by Godot on Tue 4 May 2010 - 1:06

@Nachtsider wrote:Well, I guess I was half right. They only appear in the concept art book.
SHIT, you have it? Ugh, I only got Bioshock recently so I never got a chance to purchase that little gem. Managed to get the Special Edition of Bioshock 2 and its art book, but I'd kill for one from the first game.
Anyway, the point still stands. They limited them to girls for thematic reasons as well.

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@Robert Frazer wrote:No male cyborgs is just part of the setting - it's something that factors into suspension of disbelief. There's no essential narratuve reason why there couldn't be "Gunslinger Guys", but they
don't exist chiefly for thematic reasons.

Do you remember the old nursery rhyme, that boys are made out of slugs, snails, and puppy dogs' tails, while girls are sugar & spice & all things nice? Gunslinger Girl is a perfect exemplar of that in action. All boys dream of being action heroes, and there's plenty of fiction out there already to cater to it from Boy's Own to Young Bond. Contrastingly, there's an expectation for girls to be more sedate and serene in their pleasures. Girls have their make-up kits and
doll-houses; boys have comic books (or videogames, these days) and football. Girls have Barbie and My Little Pony; boys have G.I. Joe and Transformers.

If you togged up a boy like the Six Million Dollar Man and handed him a gun, his first reaction would be to shout "cool!" and go out and kick ass and take names. He's getting to live out the fantasy that he and so many other boys share, and society assigns to them. Gunslinger Girl, however, derives a lot of its emotive power from discomfiting, unreal juxtaposition: Rico is cleaning a pistol while Henrietta is practising her sewing across the room; little Angelica stands on tippy-toes to peer over something - so she can set up a rifle bipod; they all fight vicious and bloody gunbattles in skirts, pumps, and white knee-highs; Elsa's too small to reach the lift buttons so she prods them with a gunbarrel; Petrushka plays with make-up but not to strut about like a starlet but rather for deception and espionage; they cover up the smell
of gunpowder with designer perfumes. Franca identifies Henrietta as a clean, "well-to-do" girl, but she's doing the government's "dirty work".You can only inspire that arresting sense of a transgressive thrill by using girls. For boys it's natural and par for the course, but with girls you're pushing the envelope, and that's a source of power for the
storyline and an anchor of interest for the setting.

Furthermore, they can only be girls - you can't have mixed company. Gunslinger Girl is chiefly an interpersonal
character drama, all of the girls necessarily relate to each other very closely and intimately, so that we can see their characters plainly and without inhibition - introducing male cyborgs would obfuscate and weaken that essential
pillar of the series, because people are less familiar and more distant in mixed company, and the ever-repeating spiral gender politics and battles of the sexes would also distract from the characters' own personal development.

Yeesh, I completely agree with this but I feel like an idiot now by comparison to these brilliantly eloquent insights . This has to be one of the most enriching posts I've ever read here. Hope you don't mind if I quote you from this in the future.


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@Godot wrote:
Yeesh, I completely agree with this but I feel like an idiot now by comparison to these brilliantly eloquent insights . This has to be one of the most enriching posts I've ever read here. Hope you don't mind if I quote you from this in the future.

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Post by Kalshion on Tue 4 May 2010 - 3:48

Esh this is a lot to think about o.o

When you guy's talk about this series, you are very serious about it. I guess I really did find the right forum!

This is much more to think about; guess I'll have to revise my thinking of this subject.

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Post by Probit Return on Tue 4 May 2010 - 16:09

Going for an in-universe explanation, I don't think there is anything that specifically denies the existence of male cyborgs other than the fact that they aren't shown, and the rumors floating around that there are killer little girls, though that might be anime only, since it's been a while since I've read the manga, and the only reason I remember it in the anime is because it's flat out stated in episode one.

But I don't think that puts the final nail in the coffin. Chances are, if there were male cyborgs, they'd probably be separated from the females so as to prevent any possible shota/loli "need not be explained in depth". Though the conditioning would probably prevent anything like that happening anyways, since the girls are so attached to their handlers, they probably wouldn't notice anyone else in such a light (and the same would most likely go for the boys). But there exists the phrase "better safe than sorry", so it's not a big stretch. Especially considering the implied size of the facility (without going into the possibility of another facility specifically for the males).

As for the rumor, if Italy is as crime ridden as it is explained to be, which would be more frightening for a group of baddies, a group of killer boys, or a group of killer girls? There is more of a shock factor with the girls, so I think it would create more reason for them to be the center of the rumor instead of any potential boys.

Then there is the number of cyborgs employed by the Agency. We are never shown all of them. It could go both ways, and indeed, with more and more girls popping up, it could go against the theory that the Agency uses boys, but it doesn't exactly kill it in the water either.

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Post by Professor Voodoo on Tue 4 May 2010 - 16:26

Having boys on the compound leads to some awkward first meetings...

Sitting together in the dining hall...the "Core 4" plus new arrival, Jay.
Henrietta: So...you're...a boy?

Jay: Eh...yeah.

Triela: You'll have to excuse her. Most of us have never even met a boy our age.

Jay: Well...I've never met a girl...at least that I can remember.

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Jay: I dunno how to answer that. I might just as well ask you what it's like to be a girl.

Claes: Hmmm, valid point.

There are a few moments of uncomfortable silence, eveyone poking at their food before Rico bursts out excitedly...

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Post by Tommygunner70 on Tue 4 May 2010 - 16:41

Hmmm... Voodoo, that art piece I posted was only to talk the piss out of the topic.

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Post by Jacen Starslayer on Tue 4 May 2010 - 16:52

@Professor Voodoo wrote:Having boys on the compound leads to some awkward first meetings...

Sitting together in the dining hall...the "Core 4" plus new arrival, Jay.
Henrietta: So...you're...a boy?

Jay: Eh...yeah.

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Jay: Well...I've never met a girl...at least that I can remember.

Henrietta: So what's it like...being a boy?

Jay: I dunno how to answer that. I might just as well ask you what it's like to be a girl.

Claes: Hmmm, valid point.

There are a few moments of uncomfortable silence, eveyone poking at their food before Rico bursts out excitedly...

Rico: Are you gonna show us your thingy now?!?

That's much more awkward than what I had written for Jay's first encounter with the core girls.

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Post by Kiskaloo on Tue 4 May 2010 - 17:42

The manga does not give any clear answers. In his opening soliloquy in Chapter 1, Jose notes that the Agency gathers "physically challenged people from all over the country and modifies them into cyborgs".

The head of the cell he and Henrietta take out notes he "heard a rumor that there is a government agency that uses kids as assassins".

When Franca first encounters Aurora, she thinks she is one of the SWA's assassins, but that appears more likely because Aurora is holding a machine pistol and not because she's a girl. Two volumes later, Cristiano knows that the Agency trains children as terrorists, but he told Franco to be aware of "any and all children", so I believe they assume the Agency use both boys and girls.

Sergio Aimaro (a.k.a. Mr. Kaschmann), head of Chairwonan D'Angelo's security detail, worked for Padania, but he didn't know Henrietta was a cyborg (he thought she was a relative of the Chairwoman's) and that Section 2 were agents with SISDE (Italian Civilian Intelligence).

Leonardo Conti, also a Padania agent, told Patricia that there were rumors the SWA was using child assassins and showed her a picture of a child wielding a gun at the scene of a murder of a member of Parliament. Some have commented it looks like a male child, but it could be Beatrice, Henrietta or Rico (the picture is supposed to be blurry and lack detail). When confronted with the picture, Chief of the Frosinone Police, Colonel Santis, noted that the Mafia often employed child assassins.

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Post by Nachtsider on Tue 4 May 2010 - 19:46

@Kiskaloo wrote:Leonardo Conti, also a Padania agent, told Patricia that there were rumors the SWA was using child assassins and showed her a picture of a child wielding a gun at the scene of a murder of a member of Parliament. Some have commented it looks like a male child, but it could be Beatrice, Henrietta or Rico (the picture is supposed to be blurry and lack detail). When confronted with the picture, Chief of the Frosinone Police, Colonel Santis, noted that the Mafia often employed child assassins.
Hells bells, I remember that photo now.

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Post by Kiskaloo on Tue 4 May 2010 - 19:50

Then again, maybe the Agency didn't carry out the hit and that kid is with the Mafia or somebody else. Conti's goal was to make Priscilla turn on Marco, so he could very well have shown her a doctored photo or one that had nothing to do with an Agency op.

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Post by Kalshion on Wed 5 May 2010 - 16:22

@Nachtsider wrote:
@Kiskaloo wrote:Leonardo Conti, also a Padania agent, told Patricia that there were rumors the SWA was using child assassins and showed her a picture of a child wielding a gun at the scene of a murder of a member of Parliament. Some have commented it looks like a male child, but it could be Beatrice, Henrietta or Rico (the picture is supposed to be blurry and lack detail). When confronted with the picture, Chief of the Frosinone Police, Colonel Santis, noted that the Mafia often employed child assassins.
Hells bells, I remember that photo now.

Looked every inch a boy to me.

True, it did. But then again, clothing can often make a person appear another gender depending on the angle.


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Post by Tommygunner70 on Wed 5 May 2010 - 16:24

Yeah that and a bit remodeling of the hair will help it too.

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Nah, it wasn't just hair and clothing. It was build.

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Post by Kiskaloo on Wed 5 May 2010 - 17:57

After close to 75 chapters, if Yu wanted to show us "Gunslinger Boys", he would have by now, even if just a "throwaway" panel of them on the training grounds, in the dining room or roaming the hallways.

That he hasn't is to me hard evidence they don't exist within Section 2, at least.

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Post by ElfenMagix on Wed 5 May 2010 - 18:17

@Kiskaloo wrote:After close to 75 chapters, if Yu wanted to show us "Gunslinger Boys", he would have by now, even if just a "throwaway" panel of them on the training grounds, in the dining room or roaming the hallways.

That he hasn't is to me hard evidence they don't exist within Section 2, at least.
I'll agree with Kisk for the same reasons stated.

Note- in one of the early volumes, there is such a generic character seen from the rear in the cyborg dining area. Whether this character (only seen from behind and shoulders up) is a boy or a girl remains to be seen, but Boomer took it for his own OC, as a possible Alpha sighting. yes, we do joke around and some of us take our GsG Seriously.

In adding to what Kisk had said, Yu has not shown a GsG-boy in any of this henti materials, though there is a boy that sneaks around the compound from what I gather in one story; to me he seems like a run-away that Rico & Henrietta found. Kisk- I'll send you the story in zip format by the week to look over. As I can tell, Jean found out about the boy and had him 'taken cared off...'

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Post by Adam on Wed 5 May 2010 - 19:00

In chapter 2, while Rico is talking to Emilio, she thinks to herself:



Assuming the translation is accurate; this suggests that she does not have much else to base the behavior of boys on. While it is possible that they exist, I would hypothesize that they don't interact with the gunslinger girls. Considering the implied curiosity of Rico (from this statement and others later in the chapter) I would say that their separation is not self imposed (if they exist at all).
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Post by ElfenMagix on Wed 5 May 2010 - 19:14

@Adam wrote:In chapter 2, while Rico is talking to Emilio, she thinks to herself:



Assuming the translation is accurate; this suggests that she does not have much else to base the behavior of boys on. ...
Think about this: Rico was in a hospital bed in 11 of her 13 years (based on the anime and still 11 out of 11.5 in the anime), and what little she knows of boys was learned in that hospital bed!

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She probably still thinks babies come with the stork or from cabbage patches, and will beat anybody who says otherwise to a bloody pulp.

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@Nachtsider wrote:She probably still thinks babies come with the stork or from cabbage patches, and will beat anybody who says otherwise to a bloody pulp.

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Post by Kalshion on Thu 6 May 2010 - 4:16

The other idea I had was that if they do exist, it's possible they are used for other things. Such as for more muscle power missions, though I do say that Rico does have a few mean punches of her own (recall the episode in S2 where she was beating up a Padania terrorist when they found Syntax)

I would NOT want to be on the recieving end of those punches ^.^;;;

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Post by KodokuRyuu on Thu 6 May 2010 - 4:24

There artificial muscles determine their strength, so a boy version would not be any stronger.
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Post by Tommygunner70 on Thu 6 May 2010 - 4:43

Maybe so, but it is more normal for a boy to have more muscle mass then a girl. Even with the cybernetics/synthetics, the rule of "the larger the muscle the greater the strength" has to apply in some fashion.

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Post by Kalshion on Thu 6 May 2010 - 12:46

True, and with the reinforced bone-structure they get. That just makes me wonder, when Rico is beating up a poor sob, how much damage is she truly causing to the man? I know it's not related to this topic, but I'm curious.

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@Kalshion wrote:True, and with the reinforced bone-structure they get. That just makes me wonder, when Rico is beating up a poor sob, how much damage is she truly causing to the man? I know it's not related to this topic, but I'm curious.
I'll consider that she is hitting with the force to break a karate board. But unlike the board, the face is pliable. Thus some of the force is being absorbed by the face. But bones are being broken- cheek bones, upper mandible, eye socket... poor guy is going to look like he was on the (wrong) recieving end of a gang robbing ritual...

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