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Post by Professor Voodoo on Wed 23 Jun 2010 - 20:27

It's not exactly a powerful .50 caliber sniper rifle or a machine gun with a 50 round magazine, but something like this could prove useful...

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Post by Kiskaloo on Wed 23 Jun 2010 - 20:29

Kara: "That is so last decade in design! How unfashionable!"

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Post by Alfisti on Wed 23 Jun 2010 - 21:46

Jokes aside, Kisk does have a point... it would have been good camoflage in the late 90's, but not so much today.

There are always alternatives though... obviously you're familiar with the pellet umbrella used in the Markov assassination.

Also, considering the amount of stuff you can apparently hide in a cigarette (notes, microfilm and if you believe James Bond: rockets) I've seriously considered letting Monty take up "smoking"

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Post by Professor Voodoo on Wed 23 Jun 2010 - 22:25

@Kiskaloo wrote:Kara: "That is so last decade in design! How unfashionable!"
@Alfisti wrote:Jokes aside, Kisk does have a point... it would have been good camoflage in the late 90's, but not so much today.

I'm confident that this drawing is just an example, and the actual weapon could be made to look like a more current phone. Still, it gets me thinking...this fits right into the story I'm currently struggling through.

Also, considering the amount of stuff you can apparently hide in a cigarette (notes, microfilm and if you believe James Bond: rockets) I've seriously considered letting Monty take up "smoking"
Well, she is originally French after all. If you do send Monique down that road you could milk the "learning process" for a bit of comedy...

Jethro: I'd have never believed it if I hadn't seen this with my own eyes...but artificial cyborg skin can turn green!

Monty: You're a right bastard, Blacker...(takes a feeble puff on her Gauloises)...you know I'm doing this for the mission.

Jethro: Of course luv, sorry for making fun. Here...a kidney pie and a touch of gin will set your stomach right.
Monty: Oh god...

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Post by Robert Frazer on Wed 23 Jun 2010 - 22:49

I suppose that the cyborgs have the advantage that they can always swap out their clapped-out lungs for a nice new pair whenever the tar gets a bit thick, so really the girls can puff away to their hearts' content *Alessandro, Avise, and other patrons of the SWA Staff Smoking Room glower angrily and shake their fists at the cyborgs*

As for concealed firearms, the rifle cane (as used by Zukovsky in Tomorrow Never Dies) is always a classy number, particularly when the villain is only expecting you to only have a Mr. Steed Avengers-esque swordstick hidden in there, instead of a ranged weapon. Double bluff!

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Post by Nachtsider on Wed 23 Jun 2010 - 23:44

I want that phone gun, like, yesterday.

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Post by Piero on Thu 24 Jun 2010 - 0:15

@Robert Frazer wrote:As for concealed firearms, the rifle cane (as used by Zukovsky in Tomorrow Never Dies) is always a classy number, particularly when the villain is only expecting you to only have a Mr. Steed Avengers-esque swordstick hidden in there, instead of a ranged weapon. Double bluff!

Are you sure you're remembering the right Bond movie here? I don't seem to remember that in Tomorrow Never Dies.

On a related note, given the difficulty of actually aiming with such a disguised weapon would a shotgun perhaps be a better choice than a rifle in that case?

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Post by Robert Frazer on Thu 24 Jun 2010 - 7:31

Sorry, had a bit of a brain-fart there. The World is Not Enough.

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Post by Jacen Starslayer on Thu 24 Jun 2010 - 14:01

I remember reading a story where a KGB assassin had a fake cigarette and a lighter that was filled with Potassium Cyanide gas. Lighting it before blowing the gas in the target's face. It wouldn't surprise me if Olga had something like that hidden away...maybe.

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Post by ElfenMagix on Thu 24 Jun 2010 - 16:30

The cellphone gun (and its predecessor, the beeper gun) have been around since forever! I remember doing car searches for them while on the force, and found 2 in my whole (short) career with the boys in blue.

As devices get smaller and thinner, its going to be hard to find devices to fit a standard .22 round. Even a .17 round maybe too big for some of these applications.

If you are going to carry a gun, you are going to want to carry something that will make people run away in fear upon seeing it.

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Post by Jacen Starslayer on Thu 24 Jun 2010 - 16:38

Touche, Elfen.

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Post by Kiskaloo on Thu 24 Jun 2010 - 17:26

@ElfenMagix wrote:If you are going to carry a gun, you are going to want to carry something that will make people run away in fear upon seeing it.


Nol: "This...is my BOOM STICK!"


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Post by Jacen Starslayer on Thu 24 Jun 2010 - 17:35

@Kiskaloo wrote:
@ElfenMagix wrote:If you are going to carry a gun, you are going to want to carry something that will make people run away in fear upon seeing it.


Nol: "This...is my BOOM STICK!"


I do believe that is a 20mm (minimum) Electro-Magnetic Acceleration Cannon A.K.A 'A Railgun'

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Post by Kiskaloo on Thu 24 Jun 2010 - 17:44

Nol's a sniper, so having a weapon that can "reach out and touch someone" in the next commune has it's advantages... Wink

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Post by ebitempura966 on Thu 24 Jun 2010 - 19:19

well but how this thing pass security check?
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Post by Kiskaloo on Thu 24 Jun 2010 - 19:33

@ebitempura966 wrote:well but how this thing pass security check?

Nol: "Badges?! I don't need no stinking badges! Oh, wait... I work for the government and they gave me a badge for just such an occasion."

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Post by ElfenMagix on Thu 24 Jun 2010 - 21:25

lol

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Post by Tommygunner70 on Fri 25 Jun 2010 - 0:56

PP-90 (Russia)


Ares FMG (America)




H&K MP5K suitcase (Germany)

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Post by Nachtsider on Fri 25 Jun 2010 - 6:41

@ebitempura966 wrote:well but how this thing pass security check?
Security check what? The SWA are with the government.

Okay, fine. Hammerspace.

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Post by boomer_gonz on Fri 25 Jun 2010 - 7:18

Hammerspace solves everything.


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Post by Jacen Starslayer on Fri 25 Jun 2010 - 13:33

I prefer James Bond's EM pen for metal detectors.

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Post by Alfisti on Fri 25 Jun 2010 - 22:42

Of course the opposite end of the spectrum: take a completely innocuous piece of equipment and design it so that folks panic every time they have it pointed at them:

Nikon's Gun camera



Or Zenit's Photosniper series:

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Post by Piero on Sat 26 Jun 2010 - 3:06

@Alfisti wrote:Of course the opposite end of the spectrum: take a completely innocuous piece of equipment and design it so that folks panic every time they have it pointed at them:

Nikon's Gun camera



Or Zenit's Photosniper series:

Are you sure the first one isn't a joke someone did up rather than a real camera? Because that rear end looks a hell of a lot like that of an old FN Model 1903 (actual pistol pictured is a license built Swedish variant, but it should look similar to the FN model), and the presence of a slide like feature and a magazine baseplate like feature doesn't seem like it would serve any practical purpose on a camera.

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Post by Alfisti on Sat 26 Jun 2010 - 7:43

@Piero wrote:Are you sure the first one isn't a joke someone did up rather than a real camera? Because that rear end looks a hell of a lot like that of an old FN Model 1903 (actual pistol pictured is a license built Swedish variant, but it should look similar to the FN model), and the presence of a slide like feature and a magazine baseplate like feature doesn't seem like it would serve any practical purpose on a camera.
No apparently it is legit, the DORYU 2-16... a Japanese issue job, uses 16mm film, interchangable lenses, the works:



If the rest is part of an old 1903... well it wouldn't be the first time someone's but a camera on a gun body.

Leica:


DIY M-16 mount:


Mk. III Hythe Machine Gun Camera (WWI pilot training aide):



Of course, back to concealed weapons, here's something that would appeal to both Monty's retro streak and sense of subterfuge:


Uses a .22 "stinger" pen gun in a SLR body.

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Post by Kiskaloo on Sat 26 Jun 2010 - 10:32

@Alfisti wrote:Of course, back to concealed weapons, here's something that would appeal to both Monty's retro streak and sense of subterfuge:


Uses a .22 "stinger" pen gun in a SLR body.

She should have it at Monaco.

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Post by Piero on Sat 26 Jun 2010 - 15:58

@Alfisti wrote:
@Piero wrote:Are you sure the first one isn't a joke someone did up rather than a real camera? Because that rear end looks a hell of a lot like that of an old FN Model 1903 (actual pistol pictured is a license built Swedish variant, but it should look similar to the FN model), and the presence of a slide like feature and a magazine baseplate like feature doesn't seem like it would serve any practical purpose on a camera.
No apparently it is legit, the DORYU 2-16... a Japanese issue job, uses 16mm film, interchangable lenses, the works:



If the rest is part of an old 1903... well it wouldn't be the first time someone's but a camera on a gun body.

On further research, it seem to be legit, but the resemblance to the old FN Model 1903 is uncanny. It almost looks like the designer specifically modelled the rear part of that camera on the rear part on a Model 1903. The camera resembles the gun more than practicality demands, unless maybe some company in Japan was making non functioning Model 1903 replicas and the company making the camera though they could save some money by using part of that company's production line or something.

Very strange...

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Post by ElfenMagix on Sat 26 Jun 2010 - 17:02

Megatron never looked so innocent.
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Post by Robert Frazer on Sat 26 Jun 2010 - 17:10

After WWII Japan introduced particularly stringent gun laws... maybe the Doryu 2-16 was a way of repurposing and recycling suddenly illegal weapons?

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Post by Piero on Sat 26 Jun 2010 - 20:15

@Robert Frazer wrote:After WWII Japan introduced particularly stringent gun laws... maybe the Doryu 2-16 was a way of repurposing and recycling suddenly illegal weapons?

Doubtful... according to the info I found (having the actual name of the camera was quite helpful for info searching) it was produced in the mid 1950s, about a decade after World War II ended, and I don`t think FN Model 1903s or even handguns in general were very widely owned by the Japanese civilian population anyway. Besides, although the information I found on the camera is kind of sketchy I would think that a detail like that would be considered important enough to bear mentioning.

BTW, it`s possible it was the Cold Model 1903 Pocket Hammerless that inspired that camera`s grip design as well. It and the FN Model 1903 look extremely similar (they`re from the same designer, and from the sounds of things may even have been based on the same prototype(s), though the FN is a larger pistol). The main point though is that the rear end of that camera and the rear end of those two pistols look so similar that it`s difficult to believe that it`s just a coincidence.

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Post by funkmachine on Mon 28 Jun 2010 - 12:45

a quick spray in the right colour is all the gun camo you need.
if you must have a range weapon then spring loaded blades are good, no noise and don't need metal parts.

nonguns can be made in many shapes and sizes from the sword in a stick to the blade on the back of a coin.

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Post by MP5 on Tue 31 Aug 2010 - 23:06

I was actually playing with some Volkswagen and Audi Keys recently--the 'switchblade' kind where you press a button to deploy the ignition key.



As I did so, I realized that these would make for some very interesting camouflaged weaponry in the same vein as the cellphone gun. Q-branch geek Fiona Loreto explains how they function to Jethro, Michele, and Brian--who all own Audis.

Fiona: So here's a scenario: you're in a car park at night, getting ready to hop in, and you're accosted by some thug with no time to pull out your own weapon--

Michele: Fiona, I think most of us would avoid being in that situation in the first place.

Fiona: Michele, shush! Anyhow, most people would just hand over their keys, and that's exactly what you do--at first. So you make like you're gonna hand over the keys, and then with a flick of the latch--(she thumbs the silver button, the 'key' itself springing out) You aim the key at his face and quickly press the lock, unlock, and trunk release buttons.

(Fiona aims at a nearby paper target and presses the buttons in succession, rewarded with three firecracker-like pops as the key fob kicks slightly in the grip of her hand. The 'key' is smoking at the tip--it's actually a small barrel.)

Fiona: And just like that, no more problems!

Jethro: I must say, luv, that's pretty clever. Damn near impossible to tell the difference between this and my regular ignition key.

Fiona: Well, until you hold it, anyway. It weights only slightly more than your average Volkswagen/Audi key because instead of electronics, it's got a three-round en-bloc single stack magazine of .22 Long Rifle cartridges fired by spring-release firing pins triggered by the buttons on the face of the key fob.

Brian: How do you load and fire it?

Fiona: Quite simple, really. You stuff a three-round clip down into the recess where they key usually stores itself--this is done while the fob is fully open, by the way--until you hear a small click. To cock the fob gun, simply fold back the key/barrel until it locks into the recess, and when you re-deploy it, it's ready to go. to reload, you press the red 'PANIC' button on the side of the fob until the plastic clip flies out and insert a new one.

Michele: You guys really thought this through. And when you look at it, it really is hard to tell the difference.

Fiona: I would just be careful not to mix it up with your actual Audi key. You might accidentally cap a valet or shoot out a window while trying to remotely unlock your car. That said, definitely do not attempt to extend the range of your keyless remote entry by placing the fob to your head:



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Post by Alfisti on Tue 31 Aug 2010 - 23:53

@MP5 wrote:Fiona: I would just be careful not to mix it up with your actual Audi key. You might accidentally cap a valet or shoot out a window while trying to remotely unlock your car. That said, definitely do not attempt to extend the range of your keyless remote entry by placing the fob to your head.
Jethro: Sounds mind-blowingly complicated.

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Do take this seriously Mister Blacker. You shouldn't be holding the key fob against your head anyway.

Jethro:
Monty's always telling me I'll do myself brain damage like that. Now it's like a game of Russian Roulette.

Fiona:

Later...

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Jethro: ...seemed only fitting to keep the custom alive.


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Post by Professor Voodoo on Tue 31 Aug 2010 - 23:58

@MP5 wrote:Fiona: ... instead of electronics, it's got a three-round en-bloc single stack magazine of .22 Long Rifle cartridges fired by spring-release firing pins triggered by the buttons on the face of the key fob.


Fiona: You stuff a three-round clip down into the recess where they key usually stores itself--this is done while the fob is fully open, by the way--until you hear a small click. To cock the fob gun, simply fold back the key/barrel until it locks into the recess, and when you re-deploy it, it's ready to go. to reload, you press the red 'PANIC' button on the side of the fob until the plastic clip flies out and insert a new one.
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Post by 124C41 on Wed 5 Jan 2011 - 11:37

@Alfisti wrote:Of course the opposite end of the spectrum: take a completely innocuous piece of equipment and design it so that folks panic every time they have it pointed at them:

Nikon's Gun camera



Or Zenit's Photosniper series:

Thats crazy! Puzzled I wouldn't want someone pointing that at me

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Post by sdp2501 on Thu 6 Jan 2011 - 16:24

@Kiskaloo wrote:
@ElfenMagix wrote:If you are going to carry a gun, you are going to want to carry something that will make people run away in fear upon seeing it.


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Post by Awinnell on Thu 6 Jan 2011 - 17:23



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Post by Alfisti on Sat 19 Mar 2011 - 23:51

From the "looks like a gun but isn't" files...


Best lighter ever.

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Post by sdp2501 on Wed 27 Apr 2011 - 14:08

not exactly camo but wuld this do
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pq7gJs8on8

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Post by dragonfire238 on Tue 31 Jul 2012 - 19:22

I could see a couple of the girls having a yoyo with a string that is reinforced by piano wire or a sig hidden inside a "cheap" teddy bear
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Post by Kiskaloo on Tue 31 Jul 2012 - 19:36

@dragonfire238 wrote:I could see a couple of the girls having a yoyo with a string that is reinforced by piano wire...

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Post by dragonfire238 on Tue 31 Jul 2012 - 23:44

[quote="Kiskaloo

The Dirty Pair had their "bloody card" - a razor-edged card they used to take down multiple enemies. I could see one of Kara's credit cards being like that. Razz[/quote]

Lol a credit card that if rejected will cut back
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Post by Kurosaka "Ery" Erika on Wed 1 Aug 2012 - 1:40

the gun that kill you from behind is the most powerful concealed gun....
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Post by dragonfire238 on Wed 1 Aug 2012 - 21:54

just thought of this for riot control or clearing a padania stronghold a paintball gun with CS gas paint balls
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Post by Professor Voodoo on Wed 1 Aug 2012 - 22:35

@dragonfire238 wrote:just thought of this for riot control or clearing a padania stronghold a paintball gun with CS gas paint balls
Various companies make .68 caliber (paintball size) balls filled with powdered hot pepper, for use as a non-lethal crowd control weapon. They're really only intended to disable one person at a time though.

I think a better way to deploy gas rounds would be Soni's crossbow.

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Post by dragonfire238 on Wed 1 Aug 2012 - 23:32

@Professor Voodoo wrote:
@dragonfire238 wrote:just thought of this for riot control or clearing a padania stronghold a paintball gun with CS gas paint balls
Various companies make .68 caliber (paintball size) balls filled with powdered hot pepper, for use as a non-lethal crowd control weapon. They're really only intended to disable one person at a time though.

I think a better way to deploy gas rounds would be Soni's crossbow.



I actually heard about those, that is why I suggested using CS gas aka tear gas instead. it only takes a little bit to clear a room, I should know that was my least favorite part of basic training; but CS needs a liquid to activate so a water pack inside the ball will probably be needed as well. I do agree however that soni's cross bow would be the better weapon to deploy gas especialy with that 40mm grenade launcher at the bottom.
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Post by John_234 on Thu 2 Aug 2012 - 7:38

A more practical CS-gas deployment method is the shotgun shells they have loaded with CS in a small teardrop shaped slug. Its designed to punch through windshields and thin doors before dispersing the contents too.

I found the TAC-15 a ridiculous weapon given the context. It has a wretched reload time and a range on par with a handgun. It's only advantage, lack of noise was completely negated by the scenario.

On topic though, by and far I prefer to have a quality weapon concealed comfortably. A compact handgun in a holster, usually. I find a lot of these "hidden in plain sight" weapons tend to be weapons of opportunity anyway. If you're observant, you can use everything from a magic marker to a walking cane as a weapon.

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Post by dragonfire238 on Thu 2 Aug 2012 - 16:05

I'm not sure if this is what you had in mind because it is not exactly a concealed weapon as it is a booby trap, my OC's have a fire proof lock box in the back of their vehical that they use to carry mission essentials and sinse they are a little paranoid about an enemy somehow stealing the car and using said items against them, I am thinking of having them set it up so that any one who tries to open the box with out the "right" key will be killed in a firery explosion. they key is made from carbon fiber, when the lock is turned a quarter turn a spring loaded pin is realeased to complete an internal circuit, and without the carbon fiber key to break the circuit the whole thing explodes, when the box is fully unlocked the pin resets, the box will not explode if the lid is open and by turning the key the other way the explosive becomes disabled which they will do every time they enter the SWA compound because of curious cyborgs.
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Post by Kurosaka "Ery" Erika on Thu 2 Aug 2012 - 16:07

@dragonfire238 wrote:I'm not sure if this is what you had in mind because it is not exactly a concealed weapon as it is a booby trap, my OC's have a fire proof lock box in the back of their vehical that they use to carry mission essentials and sinse they are a little paranoid about an enemy somehow stealing the car and using said items against them, I am thinking of having them set it up so that any one who tries to open the box with out the "right" key will be killed in a firery explosion. they key is made from carbon fiber, when the lock is turned a quarter turn a spring loaded pin is realeased to complete an internal circuit, and without the carbon fiber key to break the circuit the whole thing explodes, when the box is fully unlocked the pin resets, the box will not explode if the lid is open and by turning the key the other way the explosive becomes disabled which they will do every time they enter the SWA compound because of curious cyborgs.

ask that to the vietcong...they've killed american since 196-70(i dunno the specific date) using booby traps......
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Post by dragonfire238 on Thu 2 Aug 2012 - 16:26

KuroNeko wrote:
@dragonfire238 wrote:I'm not sure if this is what you had in mind because it is not exactly a concealed weapon as it is a booby trap, my OC's have a fire proof lock box in the back of their vehical that they use to carry mission essentials and sinse they are a little paranoid about an enemy somehow stealing the car and using said items against them, I am thinking of having them set it up so that any one who tries to open the box with out the "right" key will be killed in a firery explosion. they key is made from carbon fiber, when the lock is turned a quarter turn a spring loaded pin is realeased to complete an internal circuit, and without the carbon fiber key to break the circuit the whole thing explodes, when the box is fully unlocked the pin resets, the box will not explode if the lid is open and by turning the key the other way the explosive becomes disabled which they will do every time they enter the SWA compound because of curious cyborgs.

ask that to the vietcong...they've killed american since 196-70(i dunno the specific date) using booby traps......
yea but mine is a little bit more complex then a cigar box with a grenade inside
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