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Will Triela called Hilshire as Father?

Post by emperor on Fri 22 Oct 2010 - 10:05

I imagine Triela murmur with herself with this keyword while watching Hilshire's back.

And you?

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Post by Kiskaloo on Fri 22 Oct 2010 - 11:37

Well, based on some of the fic around here, I can see Hilshire asking Triela "Who's your daddy?". Incoming!

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Post by Tommygunner70 on Fri 22 Oct 2010 - 16:26

@Kiskaloo wrote:Well, based on some of the fic around here, I can see Hilshire asking Triela "Who's your daddy?". Incoming!

you'd be amazed at the amount of Hentai Doujins that have a similar theme staring Hillshire and Triela Razz

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Post by Officer_Charon on Fri 22 Oct 2010 - 17:24

Well, given their status as shown in the manga, that's hardly surprising.

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Post by ElfenMagix on Fri 22 Oct 2010 - 17:42

lol...
I dont know. She sees him as something more but at the same time less.

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Post by Tommygunner70 on Sat 23 Oct 2010 - 2:51

@Officer_Charon wrote:*mental note to start hunting dojins again*

*gently slips him an addon note saying "None of em have been translated, unless you are looking for a TrielaXHillshire one"*

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Re: Will Triela called Hilshire as Father?

Post by Danjo3 on Sat 23 Oct 2010 - 6:02

@Kiskaloo wrote:Well, based on some of the fic around here, I can see Hilshire asking Triela "Who's your daddy?". Incoming!
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Post by emperor on Sat 23 Oct 2010 - 9:07

Had anyone at fanfiction.net written a story like I post?

I will read it if any. AWESOME

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Re: Will Triela called Hilshire as Father?

Post by Professor Voodoo on Sun 24 Oct 2010 - 5:43

I think Hillshire views their status as a Father-Daughter one, but Triela is more confused about their relationship.
Clever little scene there.

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Re: Will Triela called Hilshire as Father?

Post by Nachtsider on Mon 25 Oct 2010 - 1:25

Thanks for the compliments, guys. That scene was meant to be but a small facet of a longer fic, but I just couldn't be arsed to write the longer fic. Laughing

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Re: Will Triela called Hilshire as Father?

Post by Alfisti on Mon 25 Oct 2010 - 1:45

Haha, I guess when you get right down to it, Hilshire's still a cop at heart... not a spook or a solider.

As the others said: sweet little snippet.

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Post by Triela Hilshire on Mon 25 Oct 2010 - 15:17

Hmm... I can see Triela saying that and then Hilshire's jaw popping out of place in shock. ^^

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Re: Will Triela called Hilshire as Father?

Post by Odon on Thu 17 Mar 2011 - 7:46

With Hilshire bedding Roberta and Triela just responding with some friendly teasing, it looks like they'll be going for a father/daughter relationship after all, rather than some sort of romantic attraction.

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Re: Will Triela called Hilshire as Father?

Post by Professor Voodoo on Thu 17 Mar 2011 - 9:38

@Odon wrote: it looks like they'll be going for a father/daughter relationship after all,
Well, not for much longer I'm afraid.

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Post by Nachtsider on Thu 17 Mar 2011 - 11:04

Ouch. :(

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Re: Will Triela called Hilshire as Father?

Post by Danjo3 on Thu 17 Mar 2011 - 11:33

@Odon wrote:With Hilshire bedding Roberta and Triela just responding with some friendly teasing, it looks like they'll be going for a father/daughter relationship after all, rather than some sort of romantic attraction.
Triela may very well have a romantic attraction, shes yet to say for sure. All we know is that shes accepted the fact that their relationship will never go to the next level. As for Hillshire, I dont think he would ever consider any kind of romance with Triela - hes just not the type.

And I think we all know the type of handler who would just whistlin'

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Post by Schaschanist on Thu 17 Mar 2011 - 11:37

With the latest scanlated chapters it all becomes bit more clearer.
I think on Hillshire's side Triela is not only a child soldier, she's like kind of a daughter for him. Proof is in the latest chapters. He starts against Jean's order to get where she is inside on the tunnel. He don't want her to die (or at least to die alone).
On Triela's side Hillshire is not only a handler. With everything new about her past she holds more on him like kind of a father.

But all over all, it's only 'kind'' of father-daughter relationship.


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Re: Will Triela called Hilshire as Father?

Post by Danjo3 on Thu 17 Mar 2011 - 12:41

Regardless of how she truly feels, it obvious that she has put his happiness first. It speaks volumes about the kind of person she is.

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Post by ElfenMagix on Thu 17 Mar 2011 - 16:26

@Danjo3 wrote:Regardless of how she truly feels, it obvious that she has put his happiness first. It speaks volumes about the kind of person she is.
Whether it be conditioning, programming or the shaping of the relationship over the years with them, this seems to be true for all the girls.

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Post by Entropy on Thu 17 Mar 2011 - 16:49

Here I thought they were brothers.

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Post by crazyidiot78 on Thu 17 Mar 2011 - 21:30

I don't think their relationship can be put into any one catagory. I think it runs the gamute from father daughter to partners (the police kind). Either way I can't wait to see how it turns out. I'm hoping she gets some kind of happy ending though.
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Post by Officer_Charon on Thu 17 Mar 2011 - 23:41

@Professor Voodoo wrote:
@Odon wrote: it looks like they'll be going for a father/daughter relationship after all,
Well, not for much longer I'm afraid.

Too soon, man. *sniff*

And as Danjo says, it says a great deal about her character that she has matured to the point where she is able to put Hilshire's happiness beyond her own (vocalised or not) desires.

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Post by Professor Voodoo on Thu 17 Mar 2011 - 23:48

@Professor Voodoo wrote:
@Odon wrote: it looks like they'll be going for a father/daughter relationship after all,
Well, not for much longer I'm afraid.
@Nachtsider wrote:Ouch. :(
Officer Charon wrote:Too soon, man. *sniff*
Aww hell...Yu's surprised us before. This whole thing might end with a tea party. Who knows?

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Post by Danjo3 on Fri 18 Mar 2011 - 1:58

@Professor Voodoo wrote:Aww hell...Yu's surprised us before. This whole thing might end with a tea party. Who knows?
That very well could be the case. As Robert said earlier, it seems a little pointless to put her through a near death experience (And have Rachel tell her its not yet time) just to turn around and kill her off. But then again, the way things have been going lately anything is possible.

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Post by Odon on Wed 30 Mar 2011 - 5:37

Well this certainly implies there's more shootouts still to come.



If Dante is being hired to destroy the SWA he can't just ambush the girls, he also has to destroy their base with all its staff and doctors and cyborg equipment; make it all too expensive to replace.

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Post by Nachtsider on Wed 30 Mar 2011 - 5:51

Is it me, or is Yu almost trying too hard to make Dante seem like the Joker from The Dark Knight?

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Post by Kiskaloo on Wed 30 Mar 2011 - 14:47

To me, Dante is approaching this as an "army against an army" with military tactics and intelligence. He's analyzed the strengths and weaknesses of the SWA and is countering the former while exploiting the latter.

I find it more of a case of the SWA being the ones now "in over their heads". They've always had the superior firepower and intelligence, being able to apply them for maximum shock and maneuver effect, overwhelming their opponents.

Now they are the ones being subjected to "shock and awe" and they're muddling through it as best they can, augmented by their superior abilities and endurance to last as long as they have.

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Post by Verisus on Wed 30 Mar 2011 - 23:35

@Nachtsider wrote:Is it me, or is Yu almost trying too hard to make Dante seem like the Joker from The Dark Knight?

I can see he's likely taken inspiration from the Joker, but I think there are still enough differences to keep them as distinct characters (the most obvious one being the Joker's willingness to put himself right in front of Batman, whereas Dante seems to prefer more distance)
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Post by Danjo3 on Thu 31 Mar 2011 - 1:54

@Nachtsider wrote:Is it me, or is Yu almost trying too hard to make Dante seem like the Joker from The Dark Knight?
Ive always found Dante to be a tad bit on the ridiculous side. One of the things Ive always liked the most about GSG is its realism (relatively speaking that is). While Im still enjoying the current arc, it feels as though it could have been written by Michael Bay. Im not ready to say that Yu has jumped the shark yet, but I do think hes getting a little carried away.

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Post by Nachtsider on Thu 31 Mar 2011 - 3:47

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Post by Alfisti on Thu 31 Mar 2011 - 4:05

@Danjo3 wrote:Ive always found Dante to be a tad bit on the ridiculous side. One of the things Ive always liked the most about GSG is its realism (relatively speaking that is). While Im still enjoying the current arc, it feels as though it could have been written by Michael Bay. Im not ready to say that Yu has jumped the shark yet, but I do think hes getting a little carried away.
Agreed. I think the thing that I find, if not vexing then offputting, about Dante is that he's obviously Evil (yes, with a capital "E"). Up untill his arrival you were never entirely certain which side you were supposed to be cheering for. Yes the girls are technically the "good guys", but the government is doing terrible things in it's pursuit of the terrorists... who are also doing terrible things. On the flip side, everyone had their own reasons for fighting beyond "I just wanna see blood an' guts and have veins between ma' teeth!"

To put it another way: things are too black and white for my tastes with Dante. I like my greys more indistinguishable.

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Post by Kiskaloo on Thu 31 Mar 2011 - 14:36

I think it would be more helpful if we knew Dante's past. Right now, he does kind of seem to be a "mad dog".

We know why Cristiano wants the Agency gone - revenge for the deaths of Pinocchio, Franca and Franco.

We know why Jean and Jose want Dante gone - revenge for the death of their family and Sophia. *

But what are Dante's motivations? Why was he "exiled" to Africa by Padania / The Five Republics? If he really just a "mad dog" that Padania / TFR came to find more a liability than an asset?



* - I wonder if the Croce Brothers will discover that it was Cristiano who rescued Dante and sent him after their family? And if they do, and they learn he not only lives, but gave Dante the tools and money to wage his current war, how will they respond?

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Post by ElfenMagix on Thu 31 Mar 2011 - 17:07

Danjo, Nachtsider, and Alifisti- I throw my hat into that ring.

Kisk: In the words of Lawrence Taylor and Mark Gastineau said it best in one of their football games: "We will put you in a coma and kill everyone of your family and friends so when you wake up, there will be nobody there to love you." Though this is what they did to Christiano, they were not finished with the job. Only option left is to finish the job and kill him. I think that Christiano in the Wheel Chair is only an act and a front, when confronted, he'll get up and start dodging bullets.

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Post by Professor Voodoo on Thu 31 Mar 2011 - 19:16

@ElfenMagix wrote: I think that Christiano in the Wheel Chair is only an act and a front, when confronted, he'll get up and start dodging bullets.
That's an interesting possibility which I hadn't considered.

Another thought; Yu hasn't played the Claes card yet. I find it hard to imagine that he'll end the story without her playing a role.

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Re: Will Triela called Hilshire as Father?

Post by Schaschanist on Thu 31 Mar 2011 - 19:45

@Professor Voodoo wrote:
@ElfenMagix wrote: I think that Christiano in the Wheel Chair is only an act and a front, when confronted, he'll get up and start dodging bullets.
That's an interesting possibility which I hadn't considered.

Another thought; Yu hasn't played the Claes card yet. I find it hard to imagine that he'll end the story without her playing a role.
Yeah, right, we don't know nearly nothing about her and her past before joining the agency. Only what happened to since she is there. That can not be it at all.


With Dante i have different visions:
One is he can escape as always and left the SWA staff back at the plant. He recruit new Guys for the next ambush, this time attacking the whole SWA-Base in Rome.

Another vision is that they kill all of Dante's men and get Dante before he can flee. The Croce brothers will beat the shit out of Dante to finally get their revenge and Jean kills Dante at the end. Now all have their Peace, and this will be the end of the Series.

But what the hell i do know? Only Yuu Aida could tell us more. But since this series is ongoing for about 9 years i think it will take alot more time to finish it.
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Re: Will Triela called Hilshire as Father?

Post by Nachtsider on Thu 31 Mar 2011 - 19:50

@schaschanist wrote:Yeah, right, we don't know nearly nothing about her and her past before joining the agency. Only what happened to since she is there. That can not be it at all.
Actually, we do. Compared to the other girls, it's really nothing special. At least, not the bits that were revealed.

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Re: Will Triela called Hilshire as Father?

Post by Odon on Sat 2 Apr 2011 - 3:40

More likely exploring what would happen if she suddenly remembered her handler.

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Re: Will Triela called Hilshire as Father?

Post by Schaschanist on Sat 2 Apr 2011 - 6:35

I think there is no chance to see her in action finally.
She is out of Training (the last time was with Raballo, so YEARS ago). She haven't touched or fired any gun.
The little mission with Petra was also a fail, if i remember it right.

I think if they would have sent Claes with the others to the power plant she would have been killed first of all, standing shocked somewhere with a gun in the hand and don't knowing what to do!
She's absolutely useless for such a mission and more a threat for herself and the whole team than for Dante's Army. It's hard but i think that is the brutal truth and reality.

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Re: Will Triela called Hilshire as Father?

Post by Kiskaloo on Sat 2 Apr 2011 - 11:23

@schaschanist wrote:(Claes is) absolutely useless for such a mission and more a threat for herself and the whole team than for Dante's Army. It's hard but i think that is the brutal truth and reality.

I'm pretty much in agreement, at least for the moment. By allowing Claes to continue to retain her (suppressed) memories of her last conversation with Raballo, she appears to effectively be unable to take a life. And just having her take off her glasses isn't going to change that.

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Re: Will Triela called Hilshire as Father?

Post by Professor Voodoo on Sat 2 Apr 2011 - 16:32

@Kiskaloo wrote:
@schaschanist wrote:(Claes is) absolutely useless for such a mission and more a threat for herself and the whole team than for Dante's Army. It's hard but i think that is the brutal truth and reality.

I'm pretty much in agreement, at least for the moment. By allowing Claes to continue to retain her (suppressed) memories of her last conversation with Raballo, she appears to effectively be unable to take a life. And just having her take off her glasses isn't going to change that.
There are ways Claes could fit into the outcome that don't involve combat...perhaps she will have something to do with that mysterious key Hillshire gave Roberta. Personally I'd love to see a major character catharsis from her but who knows?

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Re: Will Triela called Hilshire as Father?

Post by Awinnell on Sat 2 Apr 2011 - 18:16

Claes makes a brave dash in to rescue one of the other girls,only to find herself in Butch and sundance moment

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Re: Will Triela called Hilshire as Father?

Post by Officer_Charon on Sat 2 Apr 2011 - 19:16

I was picturing more "The Jerk"

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Re: Will Triela called Hilshire as Father?

Post by ElfenMagix on Sat 2 Apr 2011 - 21:25

@schaschanist wrote:Another vision is that they kill all of Dante's men and get Dante before he can flee. The Croce brothers will beat the shit out of Dante to finally get their revenge and Jean kills Dante at the end. Now all have their Peace, and this will be the end of the Series.
Killing Dante will not end the series, only satisfy Jean's Blood Lust.

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Re: Will Triela called Hilshire as Father?

Post by Danjo3 on Sun 3 Apr 2011 - 4:53

@schaschanist wrote:She's absolutely useless for such a mission and more a threat for herself and the whole team than for Dante's Army. It's hard but i think that is the brutal truth and reality.
I think Jean is well aware of that fact. It also seems that he has some genuine feeling for her, so I seriously doubt he would send her to almost certain death. Not to mention how it would affect the performances of the other girls, especially her BFF Triela.

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Re: Will Triela called Hilshire as Father?

Post by Professor Voodoo on Sun 3 Apr 2011 - 6:22

Officer Charon wrote:Claes: Stay away from the cans! They HATE the cans!
Henrietta: (softly singing to herself) Oh, I'm picking out a thermos for Giuse. Not an ordinary thermos for Giuse...
@Danjo3 wrote:
@schaschanist wrote:She's absolutely useless for such a mission and more a threat for herself and the whole team than for Dante's Army. It's hard but i think that is the brutal truth and reality.
I think Jean is well aware of that fact. It also seems that he has some genuine feeling for her, so I seriously doubt he would send her to almost certain death. Not to mention how it would affect the performances of the other girls, especially her BFF Triela.
I've conjectured before that Jean's apparent soft spot for Claes stems from his old friendship with Raballo. He feels a degree of guilt over killing him so compensates by showing kindness to the only piece of him that's left.
His unspoken thought in Chapter 77 seems to detract from that theory a bit...

...but I dare say it still holds up.

Alternate reason for Jean's attitude toward Claes; he is only hard on Rico and the other cyborgs because they have a hard, dangerous job to do. Claes has no such combat commitment so there's no reason to be harsh with her.

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Re: Will Triela called Hilshire as Father?

Post by Danjo3 on Mon 4 Apr 2011 - 6:26

Ive always been really confused about this statement. Jean did the exact same to Rico. Where does he get off saying that? Is there maybe something else going on?

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Re: Will Triela called Hilshire as Father?

Post by ChaosKin640 on Mon 4 Apr 2011 - 7:02

I think common consensus is that Jean is referring to Claes' promise to Raballo to "be good", thus preventing her from being able to partake in standard combat missions. From previous chapters and statments made by some of the other girls, namely Triela, each of the cyborgs draw a large portion of their own self-worth from their ability to complete missions and kill people for their handlers and the agency. It's their purpose for existing. Raballo has effectively stolen that purpose from Claes, making her something of an outsider among the other cyborgs. Whether she consciously feels that way or is seen as such by the other girls doesn't seem to matter, at least in Jean's mind. All of her friends are marching off to war, they may not survive, and all she can do is stand around and watch. And I think Jean resents Raballo for that fact.
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Re: Will Triela called Hilshire as Father?

Post by theprodigalson on Mon 4 Apr 2011 - 13:12

@ChaosKin640 wrote:From previous chapters and statments made by some of the other girls, namely Triela, each of the cyborgs draw a large portion of their own self-worth from their ability to complete missions and kill people for their handlers and the agency. It's their purpose for existing.

Agreed. He resents Raballo for taking away her purpose. As deplorable a purpose as it may have been, it's still better than the void of obscurity.

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