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Post by Piero on Sun 30 Jan 2011 - 17:09

In spite of some issues I had with it I actually kind of liked Strike Witches. So I found this pretty cool. Some Japanese artist decided to make Strikes Witches parodies of some of the characters from Top Gun, and the project ended up turning into one to create a cast for what essentially amounts to a Strike Witches version of the Gulf War, with a multinational group of Witches being sent to repel a Neuroi invasion of the Middle East. The guy actually came up with a pretty good cast of characters, some of whom have personalities that fit the aircraft their strikers are based on (like the girl with EF-111 based strikers who has illusion magic and likes pranks). Can't say it's perfect, a lot of the Striker Units look perhaps a bit too much like the aircraft they're based on and the idea of Perrine having a granddaughter strains credibility a bit, but overall I thought it was pretty cool. I suspect there will be more to come too since he's still got several countries he hasn't covered yet.

If you click on the "child posts" link above each picture you can access profiles for the characters in these pictures. (Edit: Just a warning, these are on Danbooru, a site that has some pornographic ads. If this bothers you I suggest you see the Safebooru links further down in the thread.)
Patty "Maverick" Mitchell and Nicole "Goose" Bradshaw (Liberion Navy, F-14A Tomcat)
Alyssa "Longbow" White Horse (Liberion Air Force, F-15E Strike Eagle)
Tabatha "Ice Lady" Kazanski and Rachel "Slider" Kerner (Liberion Navy, F/A-18A Hornet)
Theresa Powers (Liberion Air Force, SR-71 Blackbird)
Lilia A Starikov and Ludomira V Varnavskaya (Orussian Navy, Su-33D Flanker)
Dorothy "Ghost" Zelko (Liberion Air Force, F-117A Nighthawk)
Judith "Reaper" Rudel and Dominica "Tinklehog" Rand (Joint Karsland/Liberion unit, A-10A Warthog)
Mirabelle "Illusion" Callahan (Liberion Air Force, EF-111A Raven)
Ryuuzouji "Dragon" Shouko and Oomoto "Red Grass" Sayaka (Fuso, Mitsubishi F-1)
Rosalie G. Clostermann (Gallia, Rafale-A prototype)
Ulriche Frieda von Richthofen and Nina Georgine Marseille (Karsland, Mig-29G Fulcrum)
Samira (Kingdom of Jazira, Mig-21)
This one doesn't have an action shot yet so I'm just linking directly to her profile.
Raniya Ali (Kingdom of Jazira, Mig-31)

New additions list, last updated March 2, 2011:
Gabriella "Missile" Lucchini (Duchy of Romagna, F-104S)
Deena Danirovuna Denisova (Orussian Air Force, Su-27)
Wendy Maloney and Khadija Nasir (Brittanian/Jaziran Joint Unit, Tornado GR.1)


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Post by MP5 on Sun 30 Jan 2011 - 18:02

dude, I was hoping for something like this.

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Post by Officer_Charon on Sun 30 Jan 2011 - 18:29

Can anyone take pity on someone secured to a work terminal and post a Safebooru version, or somesuch? I would LOVE to take a peek, but I would rather not get fired for porn ads, yaknow?

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Post by Kiskaloo on Sun 30 Jan 2011 - 19:02

I like Ulriche Frieda von Richthofen:



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Re: Strike Witches 1991 Fan Project

Post by Piero on Sun 30 Jan 2011 - 19:08

@Officer_Charon wrote:Can anyone take pity on someone secured to a work terminal and post a Safebooru version, or somesuch? I would LOVE to take a peek, but I would rather not get fired for porn ads, yaknow?

Here are safe links for all but the first two pics, which aren't on Safebooru. The first one I can understand why since there's an obscenity scrawled on one of Maverick's missiles, not quite as sure what the deal with the second pic was though. Just as a warning, there are some panty shots in these pics (most pronounced with the pics with the A-10 girls). Razz Also since this doesn't do the "child posts" links you'll need to search the artist's other pics to find the profiles rather than being able to get to them directly.

Tabatha "Ice Lady" Kazanski and Rachel "Slider" Kerner (Liberion Navy, F/A-18A Hornet)
Theresa Powers (Liberion Air Force, SR-71 Blackbird)
Lilia A Starikov and Ludomira V Varnavskaya (Orussian Navy, Su-33D Flanker)
Dorothy "Ghost" Zelko (Liberion Air Force, F-117A Nighthawk)
Judith "Reaper" Rudel and Dominica "Tinklehog" Rand (Joint Karsland/Liberion unit, A-10A Warthog)
Mirabelle "Illusion" Callahan (Liberion Air Force, EF-111A Raven)
Ryuuzouji "Dragon" Shouko and Oomoto "Red Grass" Sayaka (Fuso, Mitsubishi F-1)
Rosalie G. Clostermann (Gallia, Rafale-A prototype)
Ulriche Frieda von Richthofen and Nina Georgine Marseille (Karsland, Mig-29G Fulcrum)
Samira (Kingdom of Jazira, Mig-21)
This one doesn't have an action shot yet so I'm just linking directly to her profile.
Raniya Ali (Kingdom of Jazira, Mig-31)

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Re: Strike Witches 1991 Fan Project

Post by Officer_Charon on Sun 30 Jan 2011 - 19:20

Thanks for the links, Piero!

@Kiskaloo wrote:I like Ulriche Frieda von Richthofen:


After reviewing the material, I have to agree.

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Post by Piero on Sun 30 Jan 2011 - 19:59

One other note with the Safebooru pics -aside from a couple not showing up they seem to be missing the artist's commentary that some of the Danbooru users translated and posted in the comments section. So if you ever get a chance to check something out on a non work computer I would recommend taking a look at the Danbooru versions.

And I think most of them are pretty awesome, although I'm not overly keen on the two A-10 witches.

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Post by Officer_Charon on Sun 30 Jan 2011 - 20:07

I know, and that was the one that I was most looking forward to! (I harbor severe PSL for the A-10.) I agree that some of these Striker designs are just too close to the actual aircraft themselves, rather than simply using elements, like in the original SW.

Still, all things considered, damned fine job. Delicious Red Baroness... *grins*

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Post by Piero on Sun 30 Jan 2011 - 20:20

She's actually nicknamed the "Red Valkyrie" according to the commentary. But Baroness works too since she's obviously modeled on the Red Baron.

I think that perhaps it might have been a good idea to shrink down some of the wings/tails on the strikers a bit, but in spite of that most of them are pretty good, and I can understand the artist wanting them to be recognisable. They work for the most part aside from the A-10s, where the long straight wing looks out of place.

These pics kind of make me wish I knew Japanese. A couple of those witches are based off of suggestions the author received and these pics made me dream up some ideas for an Aeronautica Militare F-104 witch. (Okay technically the only aircraft Italy sent to the real Gulf War were eight Panavia Tornadoes, but the F-104 was in service with them at the time.)

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Post by Nachtsider on Sun 30 Jan 2011 - 20:27

Man, this is what happens when Japanese fan creativity is steered in the right direction.

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Post by Piero on Mon 31 Jan 2011 - 0:46

I'm sure the long term members of this board already know about my love of creating characters I don't use. Razz Since this artist takes suggestions this is what I'd try to suggest to him if I could actually communicate in Japanese:

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Lieutenant Gabriella Lucchini, Age 17. She is an interceptor witch from the Romagniana Aeronautica Militaire’s Gruppo X, and her Striker is a F-104S. She is the granddaughter of Romangiana war hero Francesca Lucchini. She became obsessed with speed after meeting her grandmother's friend Charlotte Yeager and has been nicknamed “the human missile” by her fellow witches. She had many safety mishaps early in her career due to her attempts to increase her striker unit's performance. She is very friendly and laid back, perhaps a little too much so for the comfort of witches from other nations. Her familiar is a leopard and her weapon of choice is a MG-42/59 machine gun.

A picture of a real Gruppo X F-104S ASA circa 1993.

I'd thought I should try to avoid relating her to any canon witches but in the end it seemed to work out best if she was. Anyone else want to take a shot at dreaming something up for fun?


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Post by 124C41 on Mon 31 Jan 2011 - 3:31

Wow, That is full of win.
LOL I like :Theresa Powers (Liberion Air Force, SR-71 Blackbird)
Spy Witch X3

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Post by Piero on Mon 31 Jan 2011 - 17:26

She is pretty awesome although the choice of name seems unfortunate...

Anyway, I'm putting up links to the profile pictures of Ryuuzouji Shouko and Oomoto Sakaya, which for some reason are not found on Danbooru. I was thinking of including some rough google translations of their profiles but the machine translations were even worse then I remembered them being. Laughing Hopefully they'll eventually get to Danbooru and receive a more human translation. There's also a new witch that's recently shown up on the guy's profile on Pixiv, but I'm going to wait and see if she makes it over to Danbooru.

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Post by Piero on Sun 6 Feb 2011 - 13:30

Okay this guy is awesome. And very fast.

The reason I say that is that last night I decided to bite the bullet and try sending the guy who does these the character idea I had (I did put in a note about how I didn't speak Japanese and was using a translator program). He accepted the request. And then when I woke up this morning I found this on Danbooru:

Danbooru version (more likely to have commentary).
Safebooru version (no risk of pornographic advertisements).

I'm going to be very interested in seeing what the guys on Danbooru make of his text. I simplified the version I sent him to try to try to improve translation accuracy. Google translate seems to indicate he got a fairly good grasp of what I sent aside from maybe her personality, but I'll have to see.

Anyhow, I now think this guy is even more awesome than I did before. I'll have to send him a thank you.


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Post by Officer_Charon on Sun 6 Feb 2011 - 16:30

Utilizing the power of the FUTURE (aka smartphone), I have examined the goods. Looks great! And you say he whipped this up inside of a day? FANtastic!

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Post by Piero on Sun 6 Feb 2011 - 19:45

Someone on Danbooru came up with a translation of the text that accompanied the image. Here's a comparison between it and my original concept.

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Strike Witches 1991

darthtabby-san's request and suggestion. I'd had the idea of making something with Lucchini's granddaughter, but I didn't have any specifics laid out, so his suggestion was helpful. ◆The F-104S. The Italian export version of the F-104, it seems it saw a number of improvements that kept it in service until 2004. Maybe its fast-looking appearance struck a chord with the Italians. Maybe that has nothing to do with it. ◆Lieutenant Gabriella "Missile" Lucchini (age 17), member of the 10th Fighter Wing of the Pricipality of Romagna Air Force. Francesca Lucchini's speed-obsessed granddaughter. She configures her Strikers into outrageous settings in her quest for speed, which has caused a number of crashes. As a result she earned the nickname "Missile", which has nothing to do with her laid-back, optimistic personality.

My description of the character:
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Lieutenant Gabriella Lucchini, Age 17. She is an interceptor witch from the Romagniana Aeronautica Militaire’s Gruppo X, and her Striker is a F-104S. She is the granddaughter of Romangiana war hero Francesca Lucchini. She became obsessed with speed after meeting her grandmother's friend Charlotte Yeager and has been nicknamed “the human missile” by her fellow witches. She had many safety mishaps early in her career due to her attempts to increase her striker unit's performance. She is very friendly and laid back, perhaps a little too much so for the comfort of witches from other nations. Her familiar is a leopard and her weapon of choice is a MG-42/59 machine gun.

So pretty close other than "optomistic" replacing "friendly" in her personality. I should note the description I sent the guy was modified and broken into short sentences to try to ensure it would go through google translate okay and that may have led to some lost details. In particular I think I simply said she was obsessed with speed because of her grandmother's friend instead of mentioning the friend by name. Not sure if the lack of mention of who the friend was is because I was too vague or just because he wanted to keep the description of this picture short. Some changes could also be deliberate, I gave the guy permission to make changes to ensure it fit the setting.

Anyway, I am extremely pleased with the result.

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Post by 124C41 on Sun 6 Feb 2011 - 23:27

@Piero wrote:

Anyhow, I now think this guy is even more awesome than I did before. I'll have to send him a thank you.

What a cool guy. That is sweet! cheers

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Post by MP5 on Sun 6 Feb 2011 - 23:49

oh man, this is pretty freaking awesome!

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Post by ElfenMagix on Mon 7 Feb 2011 - 1:05

All are nice.
My beef in this is the SR-71. Would have been better if so much fuselage was not shown and just the wings, tails and jets. The over exaggerated canopy on them look like the SR-71C, which was a trainer and not what used like the others were. Further more as shown in the second season of SW, to go as high as the SR-71 operational altitude, on needs a bit more protective gear than what she has on. Also if he wanted a fighter version of the SR-71, he could have used the fighter/interceptor variant of the SR-71, the YF-15, as they were armed with ARMS and MAV missiles loaded inside the fuselage like the current B2.

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Post by Awinnell on Mon 7 Feb 2011 - 2:45

@ElfenMagix wrote:All are nice.
My beef in this is the SR-71. Would have been better if so much fuselage was not shown and just the wings, tails and jets. The over exaggerated canopy on them look like the SR-71C, which was a trainer and not what used like the others were. Further more as shown in the second season of SW, to go as high as the SR-71 operational altitude, on needs a bit more protective gear than what she has on. Also if he wanted a fighter version of the SR-71, he could have used the fighter/interceptor variant of the SR-71, the YF-15, as they were armed with ARMS and MAV missiles loaded inside the fuselage like the current B2.

Also Powers never flew the SR-71,he may of known about it ,but seeing as he was in a Soviet Gulag for 2 years prior to it entering service it's unlikely

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Post by Kiskaloo on Mon 7 Feb 2011 - 4:57

@ElfenMagix wrote:The over exaggerated canopy on them look like the SR-71C, which was a trainer and not what used like the others were.

The SR-71B was the trainer.


@ElfenMagix wrote:Also if he wanted a fighter version of the SR-71, he could have used the fighter/interceptor variant of the SR-71, the YF-15, as they were armed with ARMS and MAV missiles loaded inside the fuselage like the current B2.

The YF-12 was the interceptor version (of which three prototypes were built). It grew out of the A-12 reconnaissance plane developed for the CIA under the Oxcart Program. Unlike the YF-12 and SR-71, the A-12 was a single-seater. Ironically, the A-12 program was officially cancelled the year before they started flying recon missions in support of the Vietnam War under Operation Black Shield for a year before being retired.

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Post by ElfenMagix on Mon 7 Feb 2011 - 18:45

@Kiskaloo wrote:
@ElfenMagix wrote:The over exaggerated canopy on them look like the SR-71C, which was a trainer and not what used like the others were.

The SR-71B was the trainer.
Was it? I have always thought that this was the SR-71C, which some sites are agreeing me with.


But in looking at various data, you might be right on this. I need to find my Original Nasa Material of the planes back in 1986.

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@ElfenMagix wrote:Also if he wanted a fighter version of the SR-71, he could have used the fighter/interceptor variant of the SR-71, the YF-15, as they were armed with ARMS and MAV missiles loaded inside the fuselage like the current B2.

The YF-12 was the interceptor version (of which three prototypes were built). It grew out of the A-12 reconnaissance plane developed for the CIA under the Oxcart Program. Unlike the YF-12 and SR-71, the A-12 was a single-seater. Ironically, the A-12 program was officially cancelled the year before they started flying recon missions in support of the Vietnam War under Operation Black Shield for a year before being retired.

You are correst on this on the numbers here, as I was too sleepy during this post. It is a 12 and not the 15. The rest is fodder for a clouded sleep deprived min.

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Post by Kiskaloo on Mon 7 Feb 2011 - 22:46

I've never heard of an SR-71C.

I know of the A-12, YF-12, M-21 (the last surviving example is at the Seattle Museum of Flight), the SR-71A and SR-71B.

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Post by Piero on Thu 10 Feb 2011 - 12:41

The SR-71C was a single frankenaircraft that was built using the rear of a YF-12A and the front fuselage of a static test airframe. It was built as a replacement training aircraft after one of the two SR-71Bs was lost. According to my Encyclopedia of World Aircraft is was "unpopular and little flown."

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Post by Piero on Wed 16 Feb 2011 - 0:49

I'd wanted to wait until there was a proper translation of the artist's commentary available before I posted this, but it's been up for nearly a week without the usual translator posting a translation. So without further ado here's another new witch:

Deena Danirovuna Denisova (Orussian Air Force, Su-27)

As one commenter noted, she looks kind of like Balalaika from Black Lagoon. She also appears to be a pre-existing modern Strike Witch that the artist adapted to his setting at the request of her creator (there's an older pic by another artist that has her with a Su-47 based striker).

I'm going to go back and update the original listing to include links to the picture for this character and for Gabriella Lucchini.

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Post by Nachtsider on Wed 16 Feb 2011 - 2:40

Good luck using a shotgun in aerial combat. He passed up an excellent opportunity to give her an RPD instead.

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Post by MP5 on Wed 16 Feb 2011 - 8:29

@Nachtsider wrote:Good luck using a shotgun in aerial combat. He passed up an excellent opportunity to give her an RPD instead.

Unless he handwaves it with her using slugs instead of buckshot.

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Post by Awinnell on Wed 16 Feb 2011 - 12:59

they used to train aircraft gunners with shotguns

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Post by Nachtsider on Wed 16 Feb 2011 - 13:20

Must be some serious skeet-shooting range, then.

Okay, okay, I'll quit nitpicking now.


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Post by Robert Frazer on Wed 16 Feb 2011 - 13:22

I'd have thought that shotguns would be extremely useful in engaging aerial targets. Has no-one heard of clay pigeon shooting? Old fighters weren't equipped with machine guns for decorative purposes, it was so that they could marinate the landscape in a spread of hundreds of rounds and have more chance of nailing a nimble enemy.

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Post by Nachtsider on Wed 16 Feb 2011 - 13:27

Yeah, but range, man. Range. A shotgun may have nice spread, but good luck hitting anything more than 50 meters away.

On another subject, I can't tell which pilots any of these girls are based on, apart from the obvious Top Gun characters. Neither can I do the same for the two Japanese witches from the original SW - you know, the new kid and the major. Anyone able to lend a hand?

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Post by ElfenMagix on Wed 16 Feb 2011 - 17:56

@MP5 wrote:
@Nachtsider wrote:Good luck using a shotgun in aerial combat. He passed up an excellent opportunity to give her an RPD instead.

Unless he handwaves it with her using slugs instead of buckshot.
Buckshot or slugs will not work in aeral combat. Reason? Damn Kick the weapon gives!

Georges Marie Ludovic Jules Guynemer, WW1 French Ace had a breach loading 37mm canon in his biplane "Old Charles". Everytime he shot that thing, 2 things happened: 1) his cockpit would fill up with smoke and 2) the recoil of the gun would literally slow the plane down to near stall speed, which for the SPAD VII (and later for the Spad XII) was very close to its top speed. This is just an example of why large guns without a recoil mechanism should not be used on small planes, and Strike Witches are as small as one can get! René Paul Fonck was another WWI French ace who had the canon in his plane. He only used it once and swore from ever using it again. Guynemer on the other hand was very sucessful with it and used it on a number of times. They both also used the machine guns the Spads had.

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Post by Piero on Wed 16 Feb 2011 - 19:16

A fair number of the new witches don't seem to be based on any particular pilot, although the commenters on Danbooru managed to point out connections with a few of them.

Theresa Powers is based on Francis Gary Powers, the pilot of a U-2 that was shot down over the USSR in a rather infamous incident.
Dorothy "Ghost" Zelko is named after Lt. Col Dale Zelko the guy who managed to evade capture after being shot down in a F-117 over Serbia in 1999.
Ulriche Frieda von Richthofen is named after the Red Baron.

Additionally four of the witches are descendants of canon Strike Witches:

Nina Georgina Marseille is a descendant of Hanna-Justine Marseille.
Rosalie G. Cloistermann is a descendant of Perrine H. Cloistermann (though she seems to have a much nicer personality than her grandmother).
Gabriella "Missile" Lucchini is a descendant of Franscesca Lucchini.

Also Judith "Reaper" Rudel is a descendant of Hanna U Rudel a ground attack witch that appeared in one of the novels. Hanna Rudel was apparently based on Hans Ullrich Rudel.

As for the canon Fuso witches, Mio Sakamoto is supposedly based on Saburo Sakai. Miyafuji is supposedly based on Kaneyoshi "Kinsuke" Muto but I've only got wikipedia to go on for that one.


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Post by Nachtsider on Wed 16 Feb 2011 - 20:42

Ah, thanks, Piero.

They should've made the Saburo Sakai connection more obvious, perhaps with Mio's name. I was originally trying to link her with Akira Sakamoto, but he was a dive-bomber pilot and not a fighter boy. But yeah, I'm a little embarassed that I did not pick up on the visual cues, considering how familiar I am with Sakai; Mio wears a patch over one eye, reflecting how Sakai was blinded in one eye, and her Striker units have Tainan Kokutai markings.

As for Miyafuji... Kinsuke Muto? The hell? I know about the guy fairly extensively, too, and just can't see any kind of connection no matter how hard I squint.

To Elfen - First I've heard of large-bore cannons being used on biplanes. I would've thought the recoil forces would've darn well torn those flimsy machines apart. The only instances I've previously heard of weapons 37mm and above being mounted on planes were during WWII and onwards; said weapons were mostly installed in twin-engine fighters, which were better able to take the recoil, and were used to quite successful effect against tanks, shipping and heavy bombers.

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Post by Guest on Thu 17 Feb 2011 - 14:20

I just found the artwork off from deviantART.


By the way. Here is example of military division is, 505th Brigade Witches.

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Post by Piero on Thu 17 Feb 2011 - 16:48

On another note, I don't really think a 12 gauge shotgun would be very much trouble for a witch. They've wielded some much more powerful weapons in canon material.

As for impracticality, yeah I do question how effective buckshot would really be given issues with muzzle velocity, but hey, this is a franchise where one of the characters used a bolt action anti-tank rifle for air to air combat. (On a related note, I'd actually had a concept for a Baltlander JA37 witch with a magically sighted Barret M82 -the JA 37 mounted a very powerful 30mm cannon with very sophisticated fire control and the Swedish Army was also the first military customer for the M82, so it seemed kind of appropriate.)

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Post by Nachtsider on Thu 17 Feb 2011 - 17:08

If you're talking about Lynette's hand cannon, Piero, I wouldn't say there's much impracticality with that at all. It's got an impressive range and packs quite a punch - not too far removed from today's Barretts. And super-strength seems to come with being a witch, so...

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Post by Robert Frazer on Thu 17 Feb 2011 - 18:08

At the end of the day, we're talking about girls in their knickers with aeroplane engines for legs. I don't think that they're too fussed about plausibility...!

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Post by ElfenMagix on Thu 17 Feb 2011 - 18:11

@Nachtsider wrote:To Elfen - First I've heard of large-bore cannons being used on biplanes. I would've thought the recoil forces would've darn well torn those flimsy machines apart. The only instances I've previously heard of weapons 37mm and above being mounted on planes were during WWII and onwards; said weapons were mostly installed in twin-engine fighters, which were better able to take the recoil, and were used to quite successful effect against tanks, shipping and heavy bombers.
Georges Guynemer and René Fonck were the only two that had such an experimental device in their planes, and yes, it reeked hovok on their planes. Though the links only gave minimal information on the pilots and the planes themselves (its not even mentioned on Fonk's webpage), it shows that it was done. Since WW1 planes and their pilots being a hobby of mine (along with aviation disasters), I have a couple of books on the suject.

@Piero wrote:On another note, I don't really think a 12 gauge shotgun would be very much trouble for a witch. They've wielded some much more powerful weapons in canon material.

As for impracticality, yeah I do question how effective buckshot would really be given issues with muzzle velocity, but hey, this is a franchise where one of the characters used a bolt action anti-tank rifle for air to air combat. (On a related note, I'd actually had a concept for a Baltlander JA37 witch with a magically sighted Barret M82 -the JA 37 mounted a very powerful 30mm cannon with very sophisticated fire control and the Swedish Army was also the first military customer for the M82, so it seemed kind of appropriate.)
What is done on a cartoon is not done in real life, so lets not get the two confused. I really agree with Robert on this one.

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Post by Piero on Fri 18 Feb 2011 - 2:00

@Nachtsider wrote:If you're talking about Lynette's hand cannon, Piero, I wouldn't say there's much impracticality with that at all. It's got an impressive range and packs quite a punch - not too far removed from today's Barretts. And super-strength seems to come with being a witch, so...

The problem with such a weapon is that the rate of fire it too low for effective use against fast moving aircraft, particularly if the aircraft is maneuvering. There's a good reason why the development of faster moving aircraft also spurred the development of faster firing aircraft cannons. I had some similar issues with the sniper cannon used by one of the VF-25s in Macross Frontier.

Given that I have a concept for a JA 37 witch who uses a Barret as a weapon in air to air duels I obviously don't consider it a very big deal, but it is something that the nitpicking part of my mind really notices. (As noted previously, the choice of a Barret for that JA 37 witch is sort of a reference to the fact that the JA 37 packs an unusually powerful gun for a fighter aircraft.)

As for the 37mm cannons Elfen mentioned, there's an online resource I found while researching 1930-40s aircraft armament that also covered World War I aircraft armament that actually covers them in a reasonable amount of depth. See the section on the Puteaux 37mm Aircraft Cannon: http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USN/ref/MG/I/MG-5.html

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Post by Kiskaloo on Fri 18 Feb 2011 - 2:18

The Neuroi combatants tend to be rather large and slow, so rate of fire doesn't seem to be too critical an issue.

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Post by Nachtsider on Fri 18 Feb 2011 - 2:46

@Kiskaloo wrote:The Neuroi combatants tend to be rather large and slow, so rate of fire doesn't seem to be too critical an issue.
Precisely.

Nearly all the Witches' missions are akin to intercepting unescorted heavy bombers, quite like most missions Japanese pilots flew against the B-29s. Note that in those engagements, relatively slow-firing but heavy caliber guns were what best ensured that the Superfortresses went down.

The Witches are best off investing in personnel with planes like the Henschel 129 and Kawasaki Ki-45 as the basis for their Striker units. Oh, and that one Junkers Ju 88 variant that mounted an 88mm anti-ship cannon.

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Post by Piero on Fri 18 Feb 2011 - 2:57

Point. The Strike Witches 1991 setting seems to include smaller fighter-type Neuroi though. They show up rather prominently in Samira's action shot. (Speaking of which, in my opinion Samira is one of the most awesome characters this guy has come up with. Than again that may partly be my personal tastes. I have a real tendency to go for the courageous ones when choosing favorite anime girls.)

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Post by Piero on Sun 27 Feb 2011 - 11:58

And here's the profile pic the artist did for Gabriella recently. I think it took him a while because he was doing a bunch of charts showing the uniforms of various country's witches.

Anyhow I really like the new pic. I think she really resembles her grandmother in it.

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Post by Piero on Wed 2 Mar 2011 - 23:12

Got a new one translated today:

Wendy Maloney and Khadija Nasir (Brittanian/Jaziran Joint Unit, Tornado GR.1)

I used google translate to suggest to the artist that he ought to do a pink Striker unit since the British used pink camouflage on aircraft during the Gulf War. (Note that I am not kidding.)

I managed to successfully appeal to restore Shouko and Oomoto's profile pictures. Also got the commentary for Gabriella's profile translated as well.

Do people want me posting new updates this frequently, or should I just add them to the first post in the thread?

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Post by Piero on Mon 15 Aug 2011 - 22:37

Been quite a while since I did an update. Got a new witch with this one as well as what could essentially be called "version 2.0" profile pictures of some of the artist's early witchs. Having compared these new profile pictures to the old ones I think they actually are a pretty big improvement.

Capt. Claire "Bloody" Bradshaw -seems to be Goose's big sister and a Marine AV-8B witch (not really sure how the AV-8B is justified when all Strikes can do a hover...)

"Version 2.0" pictures

Capt. Patty "Maverick" Mitchell
2nd Lt. Nicole "Goose" Bradshaw
2nd Lt. Shouko "Dragon" Ryuuzouji
2nd Lt. Oomoto "Redgrass" Sayaka
Major Ulrike von Richtofen

Safebooru versions of above:
There's also a bunch of uniform design charts from a while back I could post links to if people want to look at them (they show a few characters who haven't appeared in any other form as of yet). As well as a whole bucketload of other Strike Witches related work the artist has done actually. some of which isnt' on danbooru at this point (including an actual Strike Witches 1940 doujin manga based on the movie "Battle of Britain"). Maybe it shouldn't be surprising his art has improved a bit...


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Post by Officer_Charon on Tue 16 Aug 2011 - 0:48

I'd be HIGHLY interested in that doujin, to say nothing of the other material... I love this project

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Post by Piero on Tue 16 Aug 2011 - 20:07

I'll probably post the Strike Witches 1940 stuff to a different thread, this one is getting crowded.

Anyhow here are the uniform charts. They're actually from quite a while back, I just never posted them for some reason. So don't expect them to be quite up to the standards of the current artwork. You might also notice a few tank witches in the mix. Never been quite as fond of the concept of tank witches as much as the aerial types but that one Orussian tank witch looks pretty badass.

Liberion:
Air Force and Army
Navy
Marines -Claire made her first appearance in this character chart. Also note that I ended up making a mistake with a comment I made on this one. I predicted that note about her legwear for the formal uniform would say something about Marines not wearing pants even with formalwear because they're always ready for action, but turns out it's white pantyhose. Laughing

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Luftwaffe -I believe the artist admitted in commentary that these don't look modern enough.
Bundes Marine
Bundes Heer/Afrika Korps -a mix of modern and old looking uniforms here

Fuso (oddly these are referred to as a Defense Force):
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Ground

Seems to be a lot of fetish fuel in the Fuso charts.

Orussia:
Air Force/Navy
Army (including Airborne)

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Post by Officer_Charon on Tue 16 Aug 2011 - 20:39

Eh... I think I'm the only one who usually surfs at work... I can wait until I get to a safe connection. I think it'll be worth it!

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Post by Piero on Fri 26 Aug 2011 - 0:00

Brought over four new pictures. Three of the characters haven't been covered yet aside from the uniform charts, while one is a re-imaging (technically two are, but I didn't actually bring over the original pic for the other one).

Captain Mishizu "Principal" Hojo
Major Yuki "Flag" Tokugawa (The English text on the picture says "Frag" but when I put her profile through google translate it came up with "Flag.")
1st Liuetenant Nina G. Marseille
Colonel Berta Von Milch

I've been toying with the idea of some sort of wiki for Strike Witches 1991. However I don't really think I'm that well qualified to run one. I've never administered a wiki before and I don't know Japanese so it would be difficult for me to verify translations and stuff.

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