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Post by KEN_giovanni on Tue 8 Feb 2011 - 21:28

So after many days of finals and utter chaos it feels good to be posting on this forum once
more. So as my welcome back post I ask you this: as I watched GSG for the second time through I wonder if raballo's death was set up. I'm pretty sure it was but I am at an internal debate

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Post by Professor Voodoo on Tue 8 Feb 2011 - 21:54

That's certainly the consensus here on the forum...and that Jean set it up.
More debatable is how Jean feels about this. Personally I think it haunts him, since Raballo was a friend of his from the Carabinieri. This is the reason he seems kinder to Claes than even his own cyborg...it's a way of keeping a small piece of his friend alive.

Somebody (I can't remember who) wrote a wilder theory that Raballo faked his own death and is still alive somewhere.

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Post by Nachtsider on Tue 8 Feb 2011 - 22:04

What is there to debate? It's very obvious that Raballo was offed by the Agency.

I like to think, however, that it was not Jean who arranged for the deed to be done. That he balked at the order to terminate Raballo on account of the man being a mentor and friend, and that the assignment was subsequently given to someone else.

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Post by maverick375 on Tue 8 Feb 2011 - 22:49

Definitely offed. almost certainly by Jean, though he might not have felt all that enthused by it. However, he is one of the foremost proponents of "secrecy at all costs" so he would have seen it as a necessary sacrifice.

Note That all we see and/or hear is that it was a "hit and run" accident, and that it's from Jean. My personal bet would be that Jean punched his ticket personally, and is looking after Claes as a last request of sorts from Raballo.

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Post by Kiskaloo on Tue 8 Feb 2011 - 23:06

@maverick375 wrote:Note that all we see and/or hear is that it was a "hit and run" accident, and that it's from Jean. My personal bet would be that Jean punched his ticket personally, and is looking after Claes as a last request of sorts from Raballo.

I believe that he was killed in a hit and run, just an arranged one by Jean. And I am sure Rico took care of the driver when he came to collect the balance of his fee, tidying up the loose ends. This is how it went down in my OC universe(s).

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Post by Professor Voodoo on Tue 8 Feb 2011 - 23:21

@Kiskaloo wrote:I am sure Rico took care of the driver when he came to collect the balance of his fee, tidying up the loose ends.
There's an angle I hadn't considered.

Canon is intentionally ambiguous on this...in a way it enhances the ominous feeling that hangs over the entire SWA. While I do believe Jean arranged the murder it doesn't make much sense to me that he did it himself. What if he missed? Raballo would certainly have recognized him and the element of "plausible deniability" would have been lost. Better to send someone Raballo didn't know...perhaps from Section One or Public Safety (Wouldn't it be cool to see a flashback showing Alessandro did it while still working for PS?).

Seeing as there is (and probably never will be) a clear explanation from Yu it's one of the most fun areas for debate.

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Post by Nachtsider on Tue 8 Feb 2011 - 23:49

As Mav said, we only have Jean's word that it was a hit and run. For all we know, Raballo may have been blown up in his car by a covertly planted bomb, dumped into the Med with weights tied to his feet, or drilled between the eyes from a thousand yards' range by another Agency girl.

One has to wonder how Claes would react if she found out the truth.

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Post by KEN_giovanni on Tue 8 Feb 2011 - 23:52

I thank you all for the wonderful answers but to put in my 2 sense I think jean is a heartless prick but I don't believe he's heartless enough to kill raballo

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Post by Kiskaloo on Tue 8 Feb 2011 - 23:56

@Professor Voodoo wrote:While I do believe Jean arranged the murder it doesn't make much sense to me that he did it himself.

Agreed. I beieve Jean signed the termination order, but he didn't carry out the hit.

@Professor Voodoo wrote:Better to send someone Raballo didn't know...perhaps from Section One or Public Safety (Wouldn't it be cool to see a flashback showing Alessandro did it while still working for PS?).

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Post by Nachtsider on Wed 9 Feb 2011 - 0:00

Personally, I'd have gone with Elsa and Lauro. Lauro didn't strike me as the type who'd turn up his nose at such an underhanded job. And Elsa would've obeyed the order without question.

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Post by KEN_giovanni on Wed 9 Feb 2011 - 0:01

And I also believe lauro was another heartless prick, but to each his own I guess

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Post by Nachtsider on Wed 9 Feb 2011 - 3:07

That's precisely why I picked Lauro. Heartless, mercenary SOB.

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Post by KEN_giovanni on Wed 9 Feb 2011 - 3:09

Kauri didn't deserve to be a handler, but he got what was coming

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Post by KEN_giovanni on Wed 9 Feb 2011 - 3:10

Srry I meant lauro iPhone typing is aaasssssssss

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Post by boomer_gonz on Wed 9 Feb 2011 - 9:07

@Professor Voodoo wrote:Raballo would certainly have recognized him and the element of "plausible deniability" would have been lost. Better to send someone Raballo didn't know...perhaps from Section One or Public Safety.

Agreed, not to mention plausible deniability being a key factor in this assessment. After all, listening to an hour of Eddie Izzard stand-up will give you, from what I understand to be correct, detailing of Italian inner city driving habits. The man goes into great detail of perpetually speeding futbol(soccer) Mom's in Mercedes micro vans and twenty-somethings zooming around through all manners of traffic at 80+ km/hr on their modified scooters without a helmet no less.

What's more such a hit and run accident would most likely be seen as commonplace. So much that it would be scarcely reported if at all in the local media outlets, with or without intervention by the SWA or SISDE; and forgotten the next day.

"Today, an as yet to be identified pedestrian was fatally struck down by a careless young man on his scooter. ...Now sports..."

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Post by Nachtsider on Wed 9 Feb 2011 - 9:15

@boomer_gonz wrote:"Today, an as yet to be identified pedestrian was fatally struck down by a careless young man on his scooter. ...Now sports..."
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Post by boomer_gonz on Wed 9 Feb 2011 - 9:35

Now that you mention it. Didn't Il Teatrino have her just recently get a new Vespa?

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Post by ElfenMagix on Thu 10 Feb 2011 - 19:03

@Professor Voodoo wrote:That's certainly the consensus here on the forum...and that Jean set it up.
More debatable is how Jean feels about this. Personally I think it haunts him, since Raballo was a friend of his from the Carabinieri. This is the reason he seems kinder to Claes than even his own cyborg...it's a way of keeping a small piece of his friend alive.

Somebody (I can't remember who) wrote a wilder theory that Raballo faked his own death and is still alive somewhere.
I was I who did that theory. If one considers that Rabello wanted to go back to the Carabinieri and was a deal he made with the SWA to do so in 3 years, other aspects are not far off to make it viable.

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