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Post by Sintendo on Mon 7 Jan 2008 - 15:55

So now that episode one is here, post your thoughts on it.

My thoughts:

WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED TO GUISEPPE?


My god... he's become SO EMO that he reverted to his youthful days as a happy-go-lucky COLLEGE STUDENT!
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Post by Guest on Mon 7 Jan 2008 - 16:06

@Sintendo wrote:So now that episode one is here, post your thoughts on it.

My thoughts:

WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED TO GUISEPPE?


My god... he's become SO EMO that he reverted to his youthful days as a happy-go-lucky COLLEGE STUDENT!


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Post by Guest on Mon 7 Jan 2008 - 16:52

They killed all the details that made the anime look so awesome...

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Post by Sintendo on Mon 7 Jan 2008 - 16:59

I gotta admit, though, the intro fits VERY nicely... I'm uploading up onto you tube now.
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Post by Guest on Mon 7 Jan 2008 - 17:28

Wait...Isn't that screen cap from the first series?

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Post by Sintendo on Mon 7 Jan 2008 - 17:48

Left = Season 1
Right = season 2

Also, I DO NOT LIKE JEAN'S VOICE. HE SOUNDS LIKE ROBOCOP/TERMINATOR.

Edit: I'm mean, seriously, the voice actor's voice is way too deep for this kind of role...

Edit2: Fucking hell...honestly.... :adminsmash:


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Post by Guest on Mon 7 Jan 2008 - 17:55

@Sintendo wrote:I gotta admit, though, the intro fits VERY nicely... I'm uploading up onto you tube now.

Say, did you finish uploading it?
I can't dl the torrent with the connection I have, and I really want to hear the intro Sad

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Post by Guest on Mon 7 Jan 2008 - 18:01

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Post by Totoum on Mon 7 Jan 2008 - 18:30

watched it a second time,not great,but could have been a lot worst,i knew the animation would take a hit since it wasn't madhouse doing it.
i can understand why they wanted to start out with some action but hope that's all the filler we get,i won't judge the 2nd season yet,not based on what is basicly a fillerish episode (or was the action part in the manga and i completely forgot?)but I definitly wouldn't mind if madhouse would do their adaptation someday (i can dream can't i?)

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Post by Wileama on Mon 7 Jan 2008 - 18:36

I reserve all judgement until I actually watch the first episode. However I'm not holding my breath.

P.S. Sintendo let me now when your done with that upload. Waiting is so very hard. >_<

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Post by Sintendo on Mon 7 Jan 2008 - 18:40

@Totoum wrote:watched it a second time,not great,but could have been a lot worst,i knew the animation would take a hit since it wasn't madhouse doing it.
i can understand why they wanted to start out with some action but hope that's all the filler we get,i won't judge the 2nd season yet,not based on what is basicly a fillerish episode (or was the action part in the manga and i completely forgot?)but I definitly wouldn't mind if madhouse would do their adaptation someday (i can dream can't i?)

That entire action scene wasn't in the manga (well... some guys did shoot at Guiseppe, but it was only a few frames).

Artlands animation team is actually pretty good (just not as renowned as Madhouse). They did an awesome job for Mushi-shi, so I'm hoping they do the same.

@Wileama wrote:P.S. Sintendo let me now when your done with that upload. Waiting is so very hard. >_<

Beat you by a half-hour dude... :iiams:
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Post by Totoum on Mon 7 Jan 2008 - 18:55

@Sintendo wrote:Artlands animation team is actually pretty good (just not as renowned as Madhouse). They did an awesome job for Mushi-shi, so I'm hoping they do the same.

Not saying it was bad,like it better than what bee train did with el cazador for exemple.

Forgot to mention,we see every girl,even beatrice,but no angelica,still wonder if she's in or not.

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Post by Triela on Mon 7 Jan 2008 - 19:22

That opening was SUCH a joke... I hated it. Not Gunslinger Girl at all. It didn't give me chills like the first opening did, it just made me mad.

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Post by Wileama on Mon 7 Jan 2008 - 19:25

@Sintendo wrote:Beat you by a half-hour dude... :iiams:
Note to self: Refresh pages before replying to them. Sorry about that :oops:

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I don't know. Just doesn't do it for me. I think I like the first season opening more.
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Anyway I'm of the opinion Angelica wont be making an appearance in season two.
Spoiler:
I highly doubt Angelica woke up to say 'I'm not dead yet'

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Post by Totoum on Mon 7 Jan 2008 - 19:26

@Triela wrote:That opening was SUCH a joke... I hated it. Not Gunslinger Girl at all. It didn't give me chills like the first opening did, it just made me mad.

Light Before We Land all the way!

It's grown on me,i'm with sintendo,it fits,or at least,it fits with "il teatrino".

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Post by LoC978 on Mon 7 Jan 2008 - 19:41

@Wileama wrote:Anyway I'm of the opinion Angelica wont be making an appearance in season two.
...I wonder who shoots Franca in the last episode, then...
Spoiler:
After all, Ange dies in volume nine, canonically. I'm gonna hazard a guess that they go with Nachtsider's explaination for the end of season one. She just went to sleep.
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Post by Wileama on Mon 7 Jan 2008 - 19:46

You still have Henrietta, and Beatrice. This is one of those occasions where the anime, and manga split cannon wise. It's happened in plenty of other series, I don't see why this would be any different.

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Post by Totoum on Mon 7 Jan 2008 - 19:52

@Wileama wrote:You still have Henrietta, and Beatrice. This is one of those occasions where the anime, and manga split cannon wise. It's happened in plenty of other series, I don't see why this would be any different.

it would be interesting to see beatrice have a larger role

What is weird is that they did show concept art of marco and angelica,maybe they got cut after those were done.

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Post by rusty-spring on Mon 7 Jan 2008 - 20:49

I'm putting myself out for being hanged/quartered/burned at the stake, but I actually liked Il Teatrino's OP. Moreso than the first season's even. :|

Though, I didn't exactly like "Light Before We Land" in the first place. *shrugs then runs into protective bunker*


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Post by Wileama on Mon 7 Jan 2008 - 20:53

@Totoum wrote:What is weird is that they did show concept art of marco and angelica,maybe they got cut after those were done.
I did forget about this.
Spoiler:
It could be as easy to explain as flashbacks. Or maybe she did just 'fall asleep.' Honestly though that feels like a cope out. The ending of the first series was in fact a bit vague. The over whelming message is though, Angelica dies, as will all these girls. To toss that aside feels like back pedaling. I can understand it in fanfiction when your trying to resolve the difference between the anime, and manga. If Angelica isn't dead, the anime is going to be confused, and muddled around that issue. The anime has to be confident of what it is, it has to bring something new to the table. If the anime is nothing more then a retelling of the manga, I think it will fail to reach it's full potential.

You can resolve the fact that Angelica is dead. Tell some of her stories as flash backs. Use Beatrice as a surrogate Angelica. Have other characters fill in a role she would have played.

@rusty-spring wrote:To be fair, I didn't exactly like "Light Before We Land" in the first place. *shrugs*
Different people, different tastes. I don't agree, but that's what makes life fun right?

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Post by Triela on Mon 7 Jan 2008 - 20:55

I think GSG ended with Angelica "dieing" because they wanted to keep you guessing. You didn't know wheather she fell asleep or died. I don't think the second season will take out such an important character.

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Post by rusty-spring on Mon 7 Jan 2008 - 21:04

@Wileama wrote:
Different people, different tastes. I don't agree, but that's what makes life fun right?

Exactly. "Different strokes for different folks." Razz I haven't finished getting the RAW yet, but I hope the backgrounds and scenery look just as good as they did in the first season. That's what I loved most about the series.

EDIT: Just saw some screen caps and it looks like all the characters got a "Young" makeover. Heck, didn't think the girls could look much younger. You'd almost think *I* drew Giuseppe with how young he looks. Laughing

As someone mentioned before it, it looks like fine facial details got given the boot in exchange for cuteness. I think they look fine though, just different.


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Post by Sintendo on Mon 7 Jan 2008 - 21:06

@rusty-spring wrote:
@Wileama wrote:
Different people, different tastes. I don't agree, but that's what makes life fun right?

Exactly. "Different strokes for different folks." Razz I haven't finished getting the RAW yet, but I hope the backgrounds and scenery look just as good as they did in the first season. That's what I loved most about the series.

I hate to disappoint but the animation quality of the background is... mediocre at best. It suffers from the "Shaky camera" syndrome which results in one of the most boring riot scenes ever made...

Characters are swell, though... just whistlin'
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Post by rusty-spring on Mon 7 Jan 2008 - 21:38



GAH! Baby kittens and puppies have nothing on this.

*Dies from cute-itis*
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Post by Triela on Mon 7 Jan 2008 - 21:53

But Rico isn't supposed to be that cute... none of them are. They're supposed to be innocent, yes but also have that air of danger and darkness about them. Rico is the most energatic of them all but I think they over did it looking at the screenshot.

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Post by Wileama on Mon 7 Jan 2008 - 22:01

@rusty-spring wrote:"Different strokes for different folks." Razz
I knew I had that saying wrong. Thanks, maybe I'll remember it this time. Anyway all this talk about the art is making me antsy. God damn it, can't someone translate this already. Gah!

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Post by Sintendo on Mon 7 Jan 2008 - 22:23

@Triela wrote:But Rico isn't supposed to be that cute... none of them are.

BLASPHEMY! That's their most dangerous weapon!

...seriously...
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Post by ElfenMagix on Mon 7 Jan 2008 - 22:38

@rusty-spring wrote:

GAH! Baby kittens and puppies have nothing on this.

*Dies from cute-itis*
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Post by Nachtsider on Mon 7 Jan 2008 - 23:18

Those eyes look drug-addled.

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Post by LoC978 on Tue 8 Jan 2008 - 0:30

@Nachtsider wrote:Those eyes look drug-addled.
...at least they got one detail right.
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Post by Nachtsider on Tue 8 Jan 2008 - 0:33

The only time Rico ever looked drug-addled - apart from this screenshot, that is - was when she was giving Filippo that pep talk in Alfonso's van at the end of Episode Seven. Her eyes normally look sweet - I don't think it accurate to make her look like a stoner all the time.

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Post by LoC978 on Tue 8 Jan 2008 - 1:11

yeah... it was just a lame joke referring to her high level of conditioning. *shrug* not serious.
... she reminds me of Ellis from El Cazador de la Bruja in that pic, though:


then again, Ellis always reminded me a little of Rico... *head asplode*
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Post by Nachtsider on Tue 8 Jan 2008 - 2:13

The thing about Rico is that Yu appears to contradict himself regarding her level of conditioning - if she's so drugged-up, just how does she recall her past? Theoretically, Rico should be going downhill faster than Angie.

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Post by rusty-spring on Tue 8 Jan 2008 - 2:16

@LoC978 wrote:
... she reminds me of Ellis from El Cazador de la Bruja in that pic, though:


then again, Ellis always reminded me a little of Rico... *head asplode*

I agree. Too bad Rico doesn't have crazy psychic powers like Ellis Razz
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Post by Totoum on Tue 8 Jan 2008 - 3:12

@Triela wrote:But Rico isn't supposed to be that cute... none of them are. They're supposed to be innocent, yes but also have that air of danger and darkness about them. Rico is the most energatic of them all but I think they over did it looking at the screenshot.

completely disagree,i agree with sintendo,the cuteness is their first weapon if there was an air of danger and darkness about them people would suspect something.


@rusty-spring wrote:I agree. Too bad Rico doesn't have crazy psychic powers like Ellis Razz

I'm sure the SWA is working on it Very Happy

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Post by Nachtsider on Tue 8 Jan 2008 - 6:31

@Totoum wrote:completely disagree,i agree with sintendo,the cuteness is their first weapon if there was an air of danger and darkness about them people would suspect something.

Quoted for truth. Don't forget that their youth plays a vital role, too - the last person you'd suspect of being a superhuman, cybernetically-enhanced killing machine would be a small child.

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Post by Triela on Tue 8 Jan 2008 - 6:42

@Totoum wrote:
@Triela wrote:But Rico isn't supposed to be that cute... none of them are. They're supposed to be innocent, yes but also have that air of danger and darkness about them. Rico is the most energatic of them all but I think they over did it looking at the screenshot.

completely disagree,i agree with sintendo,the cuteness is their first weapon if there was an air of danger and darkness about them people would suspect something.

Yes but to me it looks like they're over-doing it. Rico never acted like that in the first season. The till have a calmness ad maturaty about them because of the conditioning.

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Post by Nachtsider on Tue 8 Jan 2008 - 8:58

I think it's not just the conditioning that does this to them, Triela - a military life tends to make a mature person out of you.

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Post by LoC978 on Tue 8 Jan 2008 - 10:14

@Nachtsider wrote:a military life tends to make a mature person out of you.
...not always true. It only works for thinking people. I've worked alongside soldiers with all the maturity of an eight-year-old. If there's one thing about the American army, it's that it makes dealing with everyday life a non-issue for its soldiers. Everything's always taken care of.

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Post by rusty-spring on Tue 8 Jan 2008 - 11:53

@LoC978 wrote:
@Nachtsider wrote:a military life tends to make a mature person out of you.
...not always true. It only works for thinking people. I've worked alongside soldiers with all the maturity of an eight-year-old.

I have to agree with LoC. One of my best buddies from highschool joined the Army to help pay for college and stuff. Been to Iraq, been shot at by mortars and has killed people in return. If anything, he's become MORE immature from his military service.

He's just physically stronger now and knows how to fire a .50 cal. Razz
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Re: Gunslinger Girl -Il Teatrino- Discussion

Post by Wileama on Tue 8 Jan 2008 - 21:44

@LoC978 wrote:
@Nachtsider wrote:a military life tends to make a mature person out of you.
...not always true.
Roger that. There are some people who will never grow up. Anyway I do agree that the girls have a certain level of maturity beyond their years. However I always viewed this more in terms of a terminally ill child. They have to start dealing with issues most people don't serious consider for decades. They walk around aware that every day could be their last. That's the kind of maturity I see in the girls.

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Re: Gunslinger Girl -Il Teatrino- Discussion

Post by Sintendo on Tue 8 Jan 2008 - 23:32

Here's something I just found out: Bitches.

Why are SOOOOOOOO many people bitching - not about the show, the animation, or the character design - but about the Opening theme?

They didn't get The Delgados (probably couldn't due to them not being together anymore). Get over it.
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Post by Guest on Wed 9 Jan 2008 - 7:11

According to animenewsnetwork there still are voice actors for angelica and marco. I would be very surprised if they would not make an appearance.

Already the first anime series was a clear spinoff, with several new scenes added and some removed.

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Post by Nachtsider on Wed 9 Jan 2008 - 7:45

@Sintendo wrote:Why are SOOOOOOOO many people bitching - not about the show, the animation, or the character design - but about the Opening theme?

I can't believe anybody could have anything against the new opening theme. It sounds lovely. The ending theme's a little lackluster, but agreeable nonetheless.

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Re: Gunslinger Girl -Il Teatrino- Discussion

Post by Thanatos on Wed 9 Jan 2008 - 13:07

@Nachtsider wrote:I can't believe anybody could have anything against the new opening theme. It sounds lovely. The ending theme's a little lackluster, but agreeable nonetheless.

The visuals are really nice but J-music really doesn´t go well with
Gunslinger Girl, ironic as it sounds. Still, i knew that it was
probably not going to be as good since the Delgados song that was used
mixed with the series´story in such a perfect way that it was almost
impossible to top.

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Post by Guest on Wed 9 Jan 2008 - 17:12

Well to be honest I think that GSG original opening was one of the greatest openings ever made. Cowboy Bebop and Hellsing are the other ones compething from that place. To be honest most of Jpop and Jrock is crap. There are some excellent performers like Tsuneo Imahori, Yoko Kanno, Yasushi Ishi and few others. However most of it doesnt sound very good and spoils the mood of the series.

I think that the new opening is just plain horrendous. Where is all the sadness and strong emotions from the first opening?

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Post by Triela on Wed 9 Jan 2008 - 17:20

TinyTony wrote:Well to be honest I think that GSG original opening was one of the greatest openings ever made.

I feel the same way. Every single time I watch a GSG episode I never EVER skip the opening. Other anime I do, all the time. Light Before We Land and GSG in general is just very special to me.

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Post by Sintendo on Wed 9 Jan 2008 - 17:40

Maybe they were trying to imply a more optimistic future for the girls...

Anyways, who knows why they didn't go with The Delgados again, but I happen to love the new opening.
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