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Post by Odon on Tue 29 Mar 2011 - 2:06

Need this for a story; she wasn't in that list Yu did. Anyone want to come up with an estimate?

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Post by Nachtsider on Tue 29 Mar 2011 - 2:14

About Rico's/Henrietta's height, I'd say, or maybe an inch or so taller.

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Re: How tall is Beatrice?

Post by Odon on Tue 29 Mar 2011 - 2:29

Here's a view of her next to Claes that might help.

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Post by Nachtsider on Tue 29 Mar 2011 - 2:39

That pic only makes me stand by my earlier estimate.

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Post by Kiskaloo on Tue 29 Mar 2011 - 2:59

Claes is 158cm, so I'd say yeah she's around Rico's height (153cm). Henrietta is the runt of the litter at 140cm.

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Re: How tall is Beatrice?

Post by Schaschanist on Tue 29 Mar 2011 - 10:18

To be honest:
That are not just 5 centimeters height difference if Beatrice is as tall as Rico (~153cm?). I speculate that are more about 10 to 13 centimeters, glasses even are about 3 to 5 centimeters high.
And Henrietta is with 140 cm nearly a head shorter than Triela or Claes.

Is there perhaps a picture from the Manga where Henrietta is standing next to Claes? That could help more to separate and estimate the heights.

I'm really interested in that topic, it helps me for my own Story cause Emilie is just one centimeter shorter than Claes.
(Okay, with her beret on she is taller than her and without beret she is around the same size cause of her fluffier hair.)
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Post by Schaschanist on Tue 29 Mar 2011 - 11:42

After a little while of searching i found that (i think original) picture of the main characters:


So, rearranged the order, added my own OC and made this height chart of the still living 1st generation Cyborgs:

(I only used the girls which are still alive in my own OC-Universe. Emilie may appears misplaced but she just looks taller cause of her beret)

I hope this can give you a little reference for the complexity of the height-difference.
Based on what i've heard in another Thread the heights are approx like that: Henrietta 140cm, Rico 153cm, Emilie 157cm, Claes 158cm, Triela 165cm


With this i would say Beatrice is definitely shorter than Rico and around the height of Henrietta, so 140 centimeters or bit taller.
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Re: How tall is Beatrice?

Post by Professor Voodoo on Tue 29 Mar 2011 - 15:26

@Odon wrote:Need this for a story; she wasn't in that list Yu did. Anyone want to come up with an estimate?

Here's another frame that might be helpful...

...from Chapter 61.

If you want to open the images in a graphics program and count the pixels of height differential then convert that to centimeters I suppose you could, but you'll get a different answer with every manga frame you analyze. Yu plays it fast and loose with the girls' relative heights, allowing them to grow & shrink at his convenience.

Somewhere in-between Rico & Henrietta is probably a good enough estimate...although I find Yu's 153cm figure a bit optimistic for Rico. Every time they're shown side by side she & 'Etta are nearly at even-eye level.

Rico is certainly taller, but a 13cm gap is pretty massive. 143-145cm seems more likely.

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Re: How tall is Beatrice?

Post by Kiskaloo on Tue 29 Mar 2011 - 15:32

Maybe Henrietta is on a booster seat?

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Post by Schaschanist on Tue 29 Mar 2011 - 15:45

@Professor Voodoo wrote:
Somewhere in-between Rico & Henrietta is probably a good enough estimate...although I find Yu's 153cm figure a bit optimistic for Rico. Every time they're shown side by side she & 'Etta are nearly at even-eye level.

Rico is certainly taller, but a 13cm gap is pretty massive. 143-145cm seems more likely.
Well, while sitting it's difficult to estimate the height, the length of the body itself is in reality always different at just the same overall height. I for example have shorter legs and therefore a longer body than other people.
And i dare say that kids at this age have around the same or similar height of the body itself, the limbs make the height difference.

With the picture of Triela and Beatrice i would estimate Bea's height between approx 150 and 155 centimeters.



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Re: How tall is Beatrice?

Post by ElfenMagix on Tue 29 Mar 2011 - 15:49

@Professor Voodoo wrote:
@Odon wrote:Need this for a story; she wasn't in that list Yu did. Anyone want to come up with an estimate?

Here's another frame that might be helpful...

...from Chapter 61.

If you want to open the images in a graphics program and count the pixels of height differential then convert that to centimeters I suppose you could, but you'll get a different answer with every manga frame you analyze. Yu plays it fast and loose with the girls' relative heights, allowing them to grow & shrink at his convenience.
That would depend on what pixel ratio he is using. Though the standard for web is supposed to be 72DPI, I have yet to see anyone use this standard past 1996!


@Professor Voodoo wrote:
Somewhere in-between Rico & Henrietta is probably a good enough estimate...although I find Yu's 153cm figure a bit optimistic for Rico. Every time they're shown side by side she & 'Etta are nearly at even-eye level.

Rico is certainly taller, but a 13cm gap is pretty massive. 143-145cm seems more likely.
This dont count, they are sitting down! Very Happy

Seriously, Beatrice is taller than Henrietta but only by a tiny bit, though early in the series, Beatrice was drawn smaller than her by making her a certain height to Bernardo and Bernardo is shorter than Jose though Henrietta comes to the same point to Jose. This would make Henrietta taller than Beatrice by association.

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Re: How tall is Beatrice?

Post by Schaschanist on Tue 29 Mar 2011 - 16:58


Based on that picture from Chapter 72, Henrietta is about one head shorter than Triela.
If Triela really is about 165 centimeters tall, than Henrietta is given the height of approximately 145 centimeters (i measured my own head, around 20cm high).

With a view on the picture of Beatrice and Triela i would estimate Bea's height on around 150 centimeters.
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Post by Kiskaloo on Tue 29 Mar 2011 - 17:16

Yu Aida or the animation staff did a character height chart for most of the main characters of -IL TEATRINO-. These figures are from that chart:


Henrietta = 140 cm (4'7")
Angelica = 147 cm (4'9")
Rico = 153 cm (5'0")
Claes = 158 cm (5'2")
Petrushka = 160 cm (5’3”)
Triela = 164 cm (5'4")
Ilaria = 164 cm (5’4”)

Hilshire = 178 cm (5'9")
Jose = 180 cm (5'10")
Jean = 184 cm (6'0”)
Marco = 186 cm (6'1")

Pinocchio = 172 cm ('5'7")
Franca = 180 cm (5'10")
Franco = 193 cm (6'4")



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Post by ElfenMagix on Tue 29 Mar 2011 - 17:31

@schaschanist wrote:If Triela really is about 165 centimeters tall, than Henrietta is given the height of approximately 145 centimeters (i measured my own head, around 20cm high).
You're an adult, Henrietta's a child. Children have small heads than adults. In other words, you aint Henrietta.

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Post by Schaschanist on Tue 29 Mar 2011 - 17:37

@ElfenMagix wrote:
@schaschanist wrote:If Triela really is about 165 centimeters tall, than Henrietta is given the height of approximately 145 centimeters (i measured my own head, around 20cm high).
You're an adult, Henrietta's a child. Children have small heads than adults. In other words, you aint Henrietta.
Oh, you're right, i forgotten this fact.
Then i would set the approx head size to 15 to 18 centimeters.
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Post by Schaschanist on Tue 29 Mar 2011 - 18:02

On the other hand:

In this image the heights changed again. Henrietta looks shorter now, and Rico taller. (I think it's not just the angle of view.)
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Re: How tall is Beatrice?

Post by Professor Voodoo on Tue 29 Mar 2011 - 20:25

@ElfenMagix wrote:[You're an adult, Henrietta's a child. Children have small heads than adults.
Note; children have proportionally larger heads than adults...especially pen & ink kids like Henrietta. It's an important consideration when drawing.


In other words, you aint Henrietta.
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Post by Nachtsider on Tue 29 Mar 2011 - 20:37

@Professor Voodoo wrote:Damn...is that why I get weird looks when I wear a grey school uniform & knee socks in public?
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Post by Officer_Charon on Tue 29 Mar 2011 - 20:47

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Post by Kiskaloo on Tue 29 Mar 2011 - 20:50

@Nachtsider wrote:
@Professor Voodoo wrote:Damn...is that why I get weird looks when I wear a grey school uniform & knee socks in public?
Pics or it didn't happen.

I'm quite okay with it having not happened, thank you.

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Post by maverick375 on Tue 29 Mar 2011 - 21:32

She's about : puts hand out over floor: that tall.

On a side note, it's interesting to realize just how much freaking taller Jamie is than most of the people at the agency. She's only 5'10", but that has her almost eye to eye with Jean, seemingly one of the biggest people there.

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Post by Kiskaloo on Tue 29 Mar 2011 - 21:53

@maverick375 wrote:On a side note, it's interesting to realize just how much freaking taller Jamie is than most of the people at the agency. She's only 5'10", but that has her almost eye to eye with Jean, seemingly one of the biggest people there.

She's an American, so it's all those growth hormones in the food. Wink

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Post by Triela on Tue 29 Mar 2011 - 23:18

@Nachtsider wrote:
@Professor Voodoo wrote:Damn...is that why I get weird looks when I wear a grey school uniform & knee socks in public?
Pics or it didn't happen.

I did when I cosplayed as her. On the Manhattan subway and I still got odd looks! ^_^;;

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Post by Alfisti on Wed 30 Mar 2011 - 3:48

@Professor Voodoo wrote:
In other words, you aint Henrietta.
Damn...is that why I get weird looks when I wear a grey school uniform & knee socks in public?
Thanks Voodoo, I was eating my lunch when I read that.

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@ElfenMagix wrote:[You're an adult, Henrietta's a child. Children have small heads than adults.
Note; children have proportionally larger heads than adults...especially pen & ink kids like Henrietta. It's an important consideration when drawing.
Not to mention that manga and anime in particular have a tendency to enlarge the head anyway.

For those interested, I've scanned three pages from The Measure of Man & Woman that cover the age bracket that most of the cyborgs seem to fall into (lemme know if you want other ages scanned). Since they're for younger people this only shows averages. For adults it'll give from 1% to 99%.

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The Measure of Man & Woman is basically a standard set of anthropometric data for designers and has been put out by Henry Dreyfuss Associates since the 1950s (updated about once a decade). So it covers everything from heights, reach, angles of movement of limbs and so on to wheelchair access, pull and grip strengths, light requirements... you get the idea.

@schaschanist wrote:after a little while of searching i found that (i think original) picture of the main characters:
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Post by Professor Voodoo on Thu 31 Mar 2011 - 20:07

I wrote:...is that why I get weird looks when I wear a grey school uniform & knee socks in public?
@Nachtsider wrote:Pics or it didn't happen.
Officer Charon wrote:And I can say that I was there, the day that the hole in reality was ripped open.
@Kiskaloo wrote:I'm quite okay with it having not happened, thank you.
@Alfisti wrote:I was eating my lunch when I read that.
Well, it wasn't exactly Henrietta's uniform but...New Orleans, Bourbon Street, Halloween...no photos exist; I saw to that.

On the plus side, if you chose to visit the ladies at your friendly neighborhood "Gentleman's Club" there is no better garment to be wearing than a short pleated skirt while you're getting a lap dance.
@Triela wrote:I did when I cosplayed as her. On the Manhattan subway and I still got odd looks! ^_^;;
Experiment; you get on the subway going uptown, I'll get on going downtown...count the weird looks we get.
Prediction; you'll get more looks from perverts...I'll get looks from people assuming I'm a pervert.
@Alfisti wrote:Hillshire's a good bloke, but crikey he needs to learn to fit a shirt.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for the "boyfriend shirt" look, but Triela luv, that's not how you wear it.
Might not be all Hillshire's fault. This is the girl who wore white socks with a dark suit remember...

...it's probably the reason she lost her first fight with Pino.

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Post by Schaschanist on Thu 31 Mar 2011 - 20:15

BY THE WAY:
Is that Beatrice in the panel next to Rico???
If Yes, then she had her appearance in chapter 21 (as side-character).

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Post by Nachtsider on Thu 31 Mar 2011 - 20:16

@Professor Voodoo wrote:On the plus side, if you chose to visit the ladies at your friendly neighborhood "Gentleman's Club" there is no better garment to be wearing than a short pleated skirt while you're getting a lap dance.
This statement horrifies and arou- sorry, intrigues me all at once.

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Re: How tall is Beatrice?

Post by Kiskaloo on Thu 31 Mar 2011 - 20:45

@Professor Voodoo wrote:
@Alfisti wrote:Hillshire's a good bloke, but crikey he needs to learn to fit a shirt.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for the "boyfriend shirt" look, but Triela luv, that's not how you wear it.


Might not be all Hillshire's fault. This is the girl who wore white socks with a dark suit remember...

...it's probably the reason she lost her first fight with Pino.

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@schaschanist wrote:BY THE WAY:
Is that Beatrice in the panel next to Rico???
If Yes, then she had her appearance in chapter 21 (as side-character).

I am very confident Beatrice is walking into the dining room in Chapter 18:



I am further buoyed in this because Yu added Beatrice to this chapter when it was animated in -IL TEATRINO- ("A Day for Claes").


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Re: How tall is Beatrice?

Post by Odon on Sat 2 Apr 2011 - 3:45

@Professor Voodoo wrote:
In other words, you aint Henrietta.
Damn...is that why I get weird looks when I wear a grey school uniform & knee socks in public?

Everywhere I go in Brisbane today, I keep running into small girls in cosplay costumes...

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Post by Professor Voodoo on Sat 2 Apr 2011 - 5:35

@Odon wrote:
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In other words, you aint Henrietta.
Damn...is that why I get weird looks when I wear a grey school uniform & knee socks in public?

Everywhere I go in Brisbane today, I keep running into small girls in cosplay costumes...
Umm...if it's school uniform outfits you're talking about; technically that's what they're supposed to be wearing.

On the up side; very little chance one of them is packing a P90.

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Re: How tall is Beatrice?

Post by Schaschanist on Sat 2 Apr 2011 - 6:45

@Kiskaloo wrote:
@schaschanist wrote:BY THE WAY:
Is that Beatrice in the panel next to Rico???
If Yes, then she had her appearance in chapter 21 (as side-character).

I am very confident Beatrice is walking into the dining room in Chapter 18:



I am further buoyed in this because Yu added Beatrice to this chapter when it was animated in -IL TEATRINO- ("A Day for Claes").

The girl who is entering the room in that scene doesn't look like Beatrice in any Detail.
Just look at the hair style, a complete different hair cut at the forehead. Beatrice had a straight line-cut there.
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Post by ChaosKin640 on Sat 2 Apr 2011 - 6:54

Just look at the hair style, a complete different hair cut at the forehead. Beatrice had a straight line-cut there.
I'm pretty sure that the SWA can afford to give the girls the occasional haircut or styling treatment. And since Beatrice hasn't been formally introduced by that point of the manga, it's probably as simple as Yu not having pinned down an official "look" for her yet.
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Post by Schaschanist on Sat 2 Apr 2011 - 7:23

@ChaosKin640 wrote:
Just look at the hair style, a complete different hair cut at the forehead. Beatrice had a straight line-cut there.
I'm pretty sure that the SWA can afford to give the girls the occasional haircut or styling treatment. And since Beatrice hasn't been formally introduced by that point of the manga, it's probably as simple as Yu not having pinned down an official "look" for her yet.
Or, what i believe more, there are alot more Girls there than we think. I could speculate about a high dark-number of unshown and unknown Cyborgs.
It would explain why the dormitory building is so freaking huge for just 10 Cyborgs.
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Post by ChaosKin640 on Sat 2 Apr 2011 - 8:43

I would imagine that most of the agency compound is "repurposed" property. That is, it used to be something else at one point and was seized by the government for one reason or another and then given to the SWA to be used as their headquarters. The fact that the girls are shown attending German lessons in a lecture hall-style classroom supports this. The buildings that include the dormitory were likely once a private school, which explains all of the space.
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Post by Schaschanist on Sat 2 Apr 2011 - 9:59

Just look at what Jean said one time to Claes in the chapter 'Tiny Joy, tearless Grief'. He explained her what the agency building was before.
If i remind it right it was used as a private school before and before that monks lived there.

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Post by Kiskaloo on Sat 2 Apr 2011 - 11:49

@schaschanist wrote:Or, what i believe more, there are alot more Girls there than we think. I could speculate about a high dark-number of unshown and unknown Cyborgs. It would explain why the dormitory building is so freaking huge for just 10 Cyborgs.

Well Rico noted to Pietro Fermi that "ten of us live here now" in Chapter 04, which implies there are 10 Generation One cyborgs left after Elsa's death. And so far, we have seen 12 Generation One girls in the manga, including Elsa, of which 9 have been identified. If we assume that the two girls in the dining room are Beatrice and Chiara, that drops us down to 10 girls after Elsa's death, which matches Rico's statement. This leaves one "unknown" girl. We could count Pia from the video games as that girl, but she's dead. So we might see another new "redshirt" Generation One appear or one of those two girls in Chapter 18 is an unidentified girl.

Of course, in "A Day for Claes" not only do we see Beatrice appear, but there is a table with four unidentified girls sitting at it:



None of then match Chiara, Silvia or the unidentified girl from Chapter 30. One of the two girls facing the camera could also be the dark-haired girl sitting at the table in Chapter 18 and the one behind Henrietta could be the girl entering the room in Chapter 18. So that would mean 2 new girls, instead of 4, for a total of 14 Generation One girls (15, with Pia), of which 5 remain unidentified (two from -IL TEATRINO- Episode 8, the two in Chapter 18 and the girl from Chapter 30).

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Post by Schaschanist on Sat 2 Apr 2011 - 12:16

@Kiskaloo wrote:...Rico noted to Pietro Fermi that "ten of us live here now" in Chapter 04...
That was in chapter 4, a REALLY early point of the whole story,
I don't think they stopped recruiting and converting other girls into 1st gens after that statement. It wouldn't make a real sense to me (Why stopping something that works well?)
So i would speculate they 'made' more 1st gens than they show and it's really possible that some of the other have joined later, after Rico's statement.
The Focus is on the core girls, the rest is just 'background fillers' but somehow unnamed, unshown or unknown property of the agency.


By the way, referring with References from the Anime to a statement or the content of the Manga is nonsense, that are mostly two different worlds. The anime is based on the Manga though, but there are alot of differences between both medias.




In the same scene (i think it's the same) in the Manga (chapter 18 'Tiny Joy, Tearless Grief') there are NO other girls shown in the background.
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Post by Kiskaloo on Sat 2 Apr 2011 - 14:10

@schaschanist wrote:By the way, referring with References from the Anime to a statement or the content of the Manga is nonsense, that are mostly two different worlds. The anime is based on the Manga though, but there are alot of differences between both medias.

I agree that is the case for the first Gunslinger Girl anime, which was not written by Yu Aida and therefore went in a different direction than the manga in many areas.

But -IL TEATRINO- was written by Yu Aida himself, so I have to give it "equal weight" to the manga, even if he decided to make some changes in the animated version of the screenplay he wrote for his earlier chapters.

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Post by Professor Voodoo on Sat 2 Apr 2011 - 17:15

@schaschanist wrote: (Why stopping something that works well?)
Well, perhaps because they're really, really expensive? One of the goals of the second generation was reduced expenditure.

I'd actually considered the possibility that even after Series Two production had begun Series One spec cyborgs could still be constructed as needed...but that would complicate the forum debate endlessly.

For both generations Yu hints at a number of 10...
←Chapter 4 ←Chapter 30
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Post by maverick375 on Sat 2 Apr 2011 - 20:05

UGH!!! Those eyes!!!! They're like the headlights on a '46 Ford.

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Post by Kiskaloo on Sat 2 Apr 2011 - 21:07

@schaschanist wrote:In the same scene (i think it's the same) in the Manga (chapter 18 'Tiny Joy, Tearless Grief') there are NO other girls shown in the background.

Not behind Rico and Henrietta, but there is one behind Triela:



It's the girl sitting at the table on the previous page:


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Re: How tall is Beatrice?

Post by Alfisti on Sun 3 Apr 2011 - 3:44

@Odon wrote:
@Professor Voodoo wrote:
In other words, you aint Henrietta.
Damn...is that why I get weird looks when I wear a grey school uniform & knee socks in public?

Everywhere I go in Brisbane today, I keep running into small girls in cosplay costumes...
Supanova was on this weekend... I got quite a shock coming in on the Airtrain at Brunswick St station. Took a minute to put two and two together.

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Re: How tall is Beatrice?

Post by tremec6speed on Mon 4 Apr 2011 - 1:06

How tall?
Um, before or after she go *boom*?
'cause other wise I'd say the chunks were about an inch and a half a piece!
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Post by Officer_Charon on Mon 4 Apr 2011 - 19:06

@tremec6speed wrote:How tall?
Um, before or after she go *boom*?
'cause other wise I'd say the pieces were about an inch and a half a piece!
(bad joke I know, let the tomatoes fly)
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Post by ChaosKin640 on Mon 4 Apr 2011 - 19:19

Yeah, too soon man; too soon. NO
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Post by tremec6speed on Mon 4 Apr 2011 - 23:31

Sorry guys, only joshin'!
lol Beatrice was a cool character, didn't seem to feel much though.
Maybe the handler went over board with her 'meds'. Hmm..... dunno.
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Post by Nachtsider on Tue 5 Apr 2011 - 0:10

That's what I think, too - that Bea was totally bombed on conditioning meds. Or maybe she smoked pot as a pastime. She was full of wasted potential, that girl. I wish Yu had given us the chance to know her better before he killed her off just like that.

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Post by Odon on Wed 6 Apr 2011 - 5:10

The death of his beloved B struck him mute, so everyone assumed he was dead when they could no longer hear his constant chatter.

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Post by Odon on Wed 6 Apr 2011 - 5:12

@Alfisti wrote:
@Odon wrote:
@Professor Voodoo wrote:
In other words, you aint Henrietta.
Damn...is that why I get weird looks when I wear a grey school uniform & knee socks in public?

Everywhere I go in Brisbane today, I keep running into small girls in cosplay costumes...
Supanova was on this weekend... I got quite a shock coming in on the Airtrain at Brunswick St station. Took a minute to put two and two together.

There were asian girls in made-up seifuku, a little Zena: Warrior Princess (she even looked like Lucy Lawless (albeit a short version), a blonde angel and a bunch of other anime characters I couldn't recognise.

I thought of going (I wasn't doing much in the city) but didn't feel like forking out $25.

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Post by Odon on Sun 10 Apr 2011 - 5:31

@maverick375 wrote:UGH!!! Those eyes!!!! They're like the headlights on a '46 Ford.

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