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Post by Lyndist on Tue 10 May 2011 - 8:37

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Post by Robert Frazer on Tue 10 May 2011 - 8:50

Unless the enemy has atom bombs, you should be alright - electromagnetic pulses are normally generated by nuclear explosions, and flux compression generators which can recreate the effect without a bomb are big apparatuses. Actual hand-held EMP grenades are, at present at least, the stuff of science fiction.

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Post by Lyndist on Tue 10 May 2011 - 12:33

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Post by Awinnell on Tue 10 May 2011 - 12:40

depends on which state you live in

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Post by ElfenMagix on Tue 10 May 2011 - 14:41

@lyndist wrote:Thank

I want to ask a little more

I saw on the web, in the U.S. you can easily buy the heavy weapons (grenade launchers and machine guns), along with strong rounds

I think it would need to have special provisions on the right to own them.

can you explain to me?
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Post by Nachtsider on Tue 10 May 2011 - 15:46

EMP grenades? Where's this mission taking place, the Goa'uld home planet?

Surprised that civilian ownership of selective-fire/automatic firearms is legal in some states, albeit under very special circumstances only. I thought they were totally prohibited.

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Post by Kiskaloo on Tue 10 May 2011 - 16:32

@Nachtsider wrote:Surprised that civilian ownership of selective-fire/automatic firearms is legal in some states, albeit under very special circumstances only. I thought they were totally prohibited.

Those weapons are regulated under the National Firearms Act of 1934 and the Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986. The former regulates them and the latter has banned sales of such weapons manufactured after the enactment date to civilians.

So effectively, you can own a selective-fire/automatic firearm that was manufactured before 1986 provided your state/county/city jurisdiction allows such weapons to be owned by civilians.

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Post by Officer_Charon on Tue 10 May 2011 - 17:00

Which mine does. I'd have to apply for an ATF tax stamp (I believe, or something to that effect)... this is, of course, assuming that I had a 18 grand or so to burn on what I'd want... which I most EMPHATICALLY do not. *grins*

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Post by Nachtsider on Tue 10 May 2011 - 21:24

Back to the EMP grenades thing. Lyndist, why would you be worried about EMP grenades, unless you're a robot? Don't those things affect machines only?

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Post by ElfenMagix on Tue 10 May 2011 - 22:46

@Nachtsider wrote:Back to the EMP grenades thing. Lyndist, why would you be worried about EMP grenades, unless you're a robot? Don't those things affect machines only?
Maybe he has a pacemaker and the EMP Pulse would pulse the device so hard that it would make his heart rip out his chest and run for its momma.

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Post by Awinnell on Wed 11 May 2011 - 6:23

wouldn't a microwave weapon cause similar affects? those do exist, i know that they are supposed to be safe to use on humans without ill effects, but there are reports of people with tattoos becoming ill as result of them being heated and releasing chemicals into the body,so couldn't they cause induction in a cyborgs artificial nerve system ?

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Post by Lyndist on Wed 11 May 2011 - 6:53

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Post by Nachtsider on Wed 11 May 2011 - 7:21

Lyndist, they might as well fire an RPG at your car. Far cheaper and more destructive than an EMP grenade. I won't even bother going into how the technology currently doesn't exist. You don't have to worry.

@Awinnell wrote:so couldn't they cause induction in a cyborgs artificial nerve system ?
Such a weapon doesn't seem practical, but I suppose it could work, in theory. Hmmmm.

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Post by ElfenMagix on Wed 11 May 2011 - 15:05

@lyndist wrote:But cars with an electronic system is affected-and I was sitting in the car
Cars with a Points-Ignition or Magneto system will not be effected; so you will have a bunch of pre-1975 cars and a shit load of scooters romaing the streets.

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Post by Professor Voodoo on Fri 13 May 2011 - 0:02

@Robert Frazer wrote: Actual hand-held EMP grenades are, at present at least, the stuff of science fiction.
Well, so are adolescent cyborgs, so I'd say if you can make it work for your story, go for it.

A lot of the replies to this thread deal with the use of EMP energy as an offensive weapon...but what's more interesting to me is how you would defend against such a thing. For the cyborgs this would obviously be a concern; they're in large part mechanical and unless the engineers foresaw such a threat they could easily be knocked out by an electro-magnetic pulse.

To me at least, weaknesses are far more interesting as a literary device than superpowers...I'd like to see how Section Two would respond to the enemy using an EMP weapon.

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Post by Officer_Charon on Fri 13 May 2011 - 0:25

I think he started the thread with the intention of honestly asking about the possibility of EMP grenades as a threat to his job.

As for the microwave weapons: still working the kinks out, but effective mass crowd-control weapon... excepting those pesky side-effects... *wry grin*

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Post by Nachtsider on Fri 13 May 2011 - 3:29

@Officer_Charon wrote:I think he started the thread with the intention of honestly asking about the possibility of EMP grenades as a threat to his job.
In all honesty, given his track record here, I have no idea what is fact and what is fiction anymore.

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Post by Officer_Charon on Fri 13 May 2011 - 3:33

Well... I am TRYING to give him the benefit of the doubt, hindered by MONSTROUS translation errors.....

..... but that might be like issuing a challenge to duel against the ocean...

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Post by Robert Frazer on Fri 13 May 2011 - 3:58

I've read around a little about EMP and I've heard it said in a few places that cars aren't actually all that vulnerable to them, because the body and rubber tyres act like a Faraday cage - pulses might be so intense that it overcomes even that resistance, but a modern car does have a measure of protection. Wikipedia does also have a reasonably detailed article on electromagnetic shielding and while I don't know any particulars, there is a military program of EMP shielding for vehicles.

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Post by Awinnell on Fri 13 May 2011 - 6:27

well if you knew beforehand that someone was going to detonate a high altitude nuke you could try covering your car in tinfoil ,or putting it in shipping container,but make sure there are no holes in the coverage as the pulse could get in and bounce around making it worse


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Post by ElfenMagix on Thu 19 May 2011 - 23:18

@lyndist wrote:Same question in post 1

CROSSBOW with explosive bolts.(like some in COD:BLACK OP) .they real or not?
Real.
My friend who is a Viet Man Vet ('59 - '63) had them then and years later to show me them. It was part of his demolition kit that he trained Vietcongs to fight against China if they ever invaded while this whole French Colonization thing was sorted out. Damn the French for leaving the Americans high and dry over nothing.

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Post by Lyndist on Thu 19 May 2011 - 23:46

I thank you because you gave me information. But I want to ask about U.S. troops training Vietcong ? against Chinese??? In 1959-1963. We do not "officially" engaged in war. We have tried to use a different way to achieve peace, by armed protests. At that time, no US military presence in Vietnam. and Vietnam and China are allies


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Post by Nachtsider on Fri 20 May 2011 - 1:27

@ElfenMagix wrote:he trained Vietcongs to fight against China
Yeah, I'm quite confused by this bit, too. I thought they were all Communist bedfellows.

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Post by Kiskaloo on Fri 20 May 2011 - 9:59

The relationship between the Republics of China and Vietnam has not always been cordial. The two fought a brief war in 1979.

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Post by Nachtsider on Fri 20 May 2011 - 17:17

Yeah, but surely the breakdown in Sino-Viet relations came later, didn't it?

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Post by Awinnell on Fri 20 May 2011 - 19:00

they never really liked each other,China saw Vietnam as trying to become a Soviet client state and not embracing their version of communism,so there was friction,on top of which Vietnam has a long history of war and occupation with them, as well as several victories against them in three invasion attempts

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Post by boomer_gonz on Fri 20 May 2011 - 19:13

True that.

China and the USSR even had border skirmishes with each other.

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Post by ElfenMagix on Fri 20 May 2011 - 21:30

@lyndist wrote:slowdown man

I thank you because you gave me information. But I want to ask about U.S. troops training Vietcong???? against Chinese?????

1959-1963. We do not participate in the war "officially" in the south.We try to find ways to achieve peace - by going demonstrations (Armed). At that time, no American troops in Vietnam . And in that time, Vietnam and China are allies

So your friend has to Vietnam when? what his job ?

And please give more information about explosive bolts.(how they work?)
There is a lot that I can not say, but I will say this since its already in the history books; he was one of several military advisers sent to Vietnam to train that nation's troops as its dependence from France was being hammered out. He trained them so they could at least defend themselves from the Chinese if they decided to invade. This was in the late 50s and early 60s.

As you know, history went the other way.

Now as for the explosive bolts, think chamber, piston, fuel and compression. It is the compression of the fuel in the chamber by the piston that ignites the fuel and makes the explosion.

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Post by Lyndist on Fri 20 May 2011 - 23:34

Looks like you have some confusion

I think the people you called "Viet Cong" - they can be soldiers of the Republic of Vietnam .From 1956 to 1960 -Americans help train and arming them with American weapons . You friend, He might have traveled to Vietnam at that time - In some kind of Black Ops ( He may be a member of the CIA - SAD or SOG ) . Vietcong is the way that Americans talk about the Vietnam Communist


After the victory of Dien Bien Phu ,Chinese regard us as their backyard , but we do not think so .They brought us out to bargain with the U.S when the US president visits China in the 70s , and followed immediately afterwards is the Christmas bombing in 1972 . An unforgivable betrayal and relations between the two countries has deteriorated quickly

And Khmer Rouge are crazy bastard created by China . When we are fighting to destroy the Khmer Rouge , China poses a border war in 1979 to help them


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Post by Nachtsider on Fri 20 May 2011 - 23:44

I'd say about fifty feet or less.

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Post by ElfenMagix on Sat 21 May 2011 - 0:41

@Nachtsider wrote:I'd say about fifty feet or less.
Feet? Not enough room to get away from the blast.
More like yards. Depending on the bow being used, 50 - 100 yards, considering that with an arrow alone can go a few hundred yards. A 4oz arrow drawn on a 200+ pound compound bow can easily go 1/2 a mile.

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Post by Nachtsider on Sat 21 May 2011 - 1:03

Gah, what am I saying. I meant YARDS. Yes, that's right - yards.

I'd reduce it to about forty yards on second thought, though. In that we're talking hand-held crossbows, and in that a crossbow can shoot past forty yards, but the bolt loses energy after that range.

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Post by Lyndist on Sat 21 May 2011 - 2:02

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Post by Nachtsider on Sat 21 May 2011 - 2:47

1 yard = 0.91 meters. Do the math.

I imagine the explosives detonate on impact. As for the payload, I don't know how destructive it would be. Can't be all too big, I'm thinking - the strength of a 20mm shell, perhaps? Elfen?

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Post by boomer_gonz on Sat 21 May 2011 - 3:32

@Nachtsider wrote:Gah, what am I saying. I meant YARDS. Yes, that's right - yards.

I'd reduce it to about forty yards on second thought, though. In that we're talking hand-held crossbows, and in that a crossbow can shoot past forty yards, but the bolt loses energy after that range.

I'll concur with that. Anything more and you'll have to 'rainbow shoot' the bolt. Not much trouble with practice when using arrows, bolts on the other hand are a bitch and a half to rainbow shoot.

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Post by Awinnell on Sat 21 May 2011 - 6:47

theres a reason why they aren't used by anyone but film makers and the more wacky survivalist types,the ballistics are terrible,the explosive content is either to small to be very effective and at the same time large enough to be dangerous to the user,

on top of which the main reason for using a bow is that it is silent,but thats not the case when you have explosives strapped to your arrow,far better off using an RPG,or grenade launcher,bigger bang,longer range,less likely to take shrapnel from your own round

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Post by ElfenMagix on Sat 21 May 2011 - 20:36

@Nachtsider wrote:1 yard = 0.91 meters. Do the math.

I imagine the explosives detonate on impact. As for the payload, I don't know how destructive it would be. Can't be all too big, I'm thinking - the strength of a 20mm shell, perhaps? Elfen?
The warheads on the arrows were about the size of a golf ball, maybe 2 inches across (5cm). Explosives were dial in (what you poured into the warhead), but it was between 1 -3 sticks of dynamite. a 20mm shell is about 50 - 150 sticks of dynamite or 45 pounds of TNT.

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Post by Lyndist on Sat 21 May 2011 - 23:43

[EDIT] sweat


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Post by ElfenMagix on Sun 22 May 2011 - 0:51

@lyndist wrote:If it is so weak - nothing to worry about Razz
Weak? Its taken down steel bridges, knocked down buildings, taken out vehicles less than a tank in battle. If it hits you, its taking you and your 10 friends around you. For its size (a 5cm ball), its powerful.

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Post by Awinnell on Sun 22 May 2011 - 6:47

i think you are seriously overestimating the yield of a 20 mm cannon round,a WWII aircraft could withstand several direct hits from them and they haven't gotten that much better since then

M53 API 4.2 g incendiary Penetration 6.3 mm RHA at 0-degree impact and 1000-m range.

M56A3/A4 HEI 9 g HE (RDX/wax/Al) and 1.5 g incendiary
Nose fuzed round, no tracer. Effective radius to produce casualties to exposed personnel 2 meters, fragmentation hazard out to 20 meters. Penetration 12.5 mm RHA at 0 degree obliquity at 100m range


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Multi-purpose fuzeless round, HE charge is initiated by the incendiary charge on the nose on impact. Self-destruct due to tracer burn-through. Penetration 12.5 mm RHA at 0 degree impact at 518 m range, or 6.3 mm at 60 degrees and 940 m.

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Post by Lyndist on Fri 30 Dec 2011 - 10:40

[EDIT] sweat


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Post by Awinnell on Fri 30 Dec 2011 - 13:53

@lyndist wrote:Same question in post 1

Juggernaut
in Real life:They Real or not?

are you talking about the heavies from MW3 ?



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Post by Officer_Charon on Fri 30 Dec 2011 - 14:04

I have several friends on the bomb squad, and another officer who was Army EOD. They all tell me that it's damned near impossible to move fast wearing that suit - it's too reinforced.

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