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Pia & Ernesto

Post by ElfenMagix on Wed 23 Apr 2008 - 11:25

Though not part of the Anime or Manga Series, this Fratello Team is added because they are canon to the Video Game section of the Genre (Japanese Format Only).

Ernesto (Handler) and Pia (Cyborg) were part of the SWA until one day Ernesto ran, taking Pia with him, to join with Padania. This created the 'Fratello On The Run' Mission where Jose and Henrietta go after them (other teams are also sent in the other parts of the game, which is a 3 CD Set).

Pia's preferred weapons were the Desert Eagle .50AE and M16A1 with M203 grenade launcher.

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Post by emperor on Wed 23 Apr 2008 - 22:42

I think Pia use sniper rifle .50cal too.

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Post by West Nile on Thu 24 Apr 2008 - 2:08

well they are worth mentioning, hopefully with a little more story behind each one and as seperate entities

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Post by Nachtsider on Thu 24 Apr 2008 - 2:08

ElfenMagix wrote:Though not part of the Anime or Manga Series, this Fratello Team is added because they are canon to the Video Game section of the Genre (Japanese Format Only).

Pia appeared in the manga, actually. It was another 'blink and you'll miss it' moment.

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Post by Danjo3 on Thu 24 Apr 2008 - 3:59

Nachtsider wrote:Pia appeared in the manga, actually. It was another 'blink and you'll miss it' moment.
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Post by sasahara17 on Thu 24 Apr 2008 - 4:35

Pia showed up?

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Post by West Nile on Thu 24 Apr 2008 - 4:47

it's the same one where liesel is. vol 7 cafeteria

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Post by Nachtsider on Thu 24 Apr 2008 - 4:58

Click here, and look at the top panel that depicts the SWA dining hall. Pia is the girl on the extreme right.

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Post by Danjo3 on Thu 24 Apr 2008 - 10:03

Not enough to go on to ID that girl as Pia.

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Post by Wileama on Thu 24 Apr 2008 - 10:23

I must concur.

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Post by West Nile on Fri 25 Apr 2008 - 1:09

i just realized that if that was pia it will scew our GSG time line all over again...

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Post by emperor on Fri 25 Apr 2008 - 5:45

Nachtsider wrote:Click here, and look at the top panel that depicts the SWA dining hall. Pia is the girl on the extreme right.

Exept if we can see half of her face.

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Re: Rouge Fratello: Earnest and Pia

Post by ElfenMagix on Fri 25 Apr 2008 - 16:01

Natch- that is her old clothing style. Very Observant!

If it is true, then Pia and Ernesto maybe also in Vol. 9 as well. Just in character descriptions alone- here is Pia and Ernesto.

Pia- for her sharp mouth and fast responses:


Ernesto, though I noticed another 'Ernesto' in the back wall on the same page as this one:


Compared to:


But in my fanfict- Pia's such a rebuilt wreck from the 'Fratello on the Run Mission', that she is slow on the draw... slow enough for Rachel to beat her everytime.


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Post by Nachtsider on Fri 25 Apr 2008 - 16:32

The man in the second pic might be Ernest, but there's no way the girl in the first pic can be Pia. Pia's not a second gen.

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Post by ElfenMagix on Fri 25 Apr 2008 - 16:44

According to the data in the game from those who played it, Pia was heavily damaged, if not killed in the game (as was Triela and Henrietta).

Taking it into this light, Pia could be recontructed as a 2nd Gen model.

But the bug up my ass says, who says that all of these cyborgs are 2nd gen? Out side of Petra is identifable as a 2nd Gen, at least one other (your Laviselle [sp?] clone) is in that room and she was in the SWA long before Petra entered as the first 2nd Gen. The Orginal Set of GsG were 10-first gens. But only 5 are close to each other. Maybe these are a mixture of 1st and 2nd Gens that are getting close to each other as well.

In this light, Pia will still be a (rebuilt) 1st gen and be in that room with the others.

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Post by Nachtsider on Fri 25 Apr 2008 - 16:53

I see where you're coming from with the 'rebuilt' theory, Elfen. It's a nice one, really. However, it wouldn't really allow for Ernest reappearing, in light of his death.

The bit about this girl possibly being a first gen hinges, I suppose, largely on whether you believe the cyborgs grow or not. All the first-gens have been children under thirteen, and the fact that she's obviously above that age tends to make people automatically identify her as a second-gen.

But there you have it - almost any tech discussion can descend into a 'Do the cyborgs grow?' thingus over time...

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Post by ElfenMagix on Fri 25 Apr 2008 - 19:58

Ah, I see where its coming from now...

But I have to add, that in the video game, from those who played it, say that Pia was killed in the first CD, but is in the second and third. Ernesto was killed in the second CD, but is in the 3rd CD as well. That does not make sense; especially when Pia says in the game "You killed my handler and now I have to kill you", only to have Ernesto show up later on in the game. This bringing them back throws a few curves.

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Post by Nachtsider on Fri 25 Apr 2008 - 20:18

Was Ernest playing possum? Was it a flashback? I think we'll have to ask someone who's actually played the thing to clarify...

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Post by LoC978 on Fri 25 Apr 2008 - 20:28

Elfen wrote: Pia was killed in the first CD, but is in the second and third. Ernesto was killed in the second CD, but is in the 3rd CD as well. That does not make sense
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Post by Danjo3 on Sat 26 Apr 2008 - 2:14

ElfenMagix wrote:But the bug up my ass says, who says that all of these cyborgs are 2nd gen?
Dont forget that none of them seemed to know who Angie was. They referred to her simply as a 1st generation girl.

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Re: Rouge Fratello: Earnest and Pia

Post by Guest on Tue 29 Apr 2008 - 13:06

Erunesto or 'Ernesto' is the Japanese pronunciation

European and U.S alike, would pronounce it 'Arnester'. 'Ernst' would be 'Erunest'

Taking it into this light, Pia could be recontructed as a 2nd Gen model.

No, its impossible. Unless you're implying an Alchemist who can resurrect the dead took part in this, you can't bring back the dead. Pia died in the third volume of the game.

And I don't think the girl in the far-right panel is Pia. Her clothes are different--she's using a tank-top, not a school uniform.

The first volume, Pia and Arnester was shot down by Henrietta, right? Well, miraculously they SURVIVED the crash--either with Pia dragging Arnester out and jumping to the building, or surviving the crash alone is questionable and is open for debate.

Second volume, Arnester was fatally wounded, but NOT dead. Pia THOUGHT he's dead (well, the huge amount of blood and all...) and so seek on taking revenge on Henrietta.

Third volume, Pia lost and DIED. Arnester, who was now 'OK' after he was hospitalized (note that there were a series of different time-line that took place between the volumes of the game; they don't happen one day to the next), saw the dying Pia and took HIS revenge to Henrietta.

And so, the couple died. Amen...

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Post by Nachtsider on Tue 29 Apr 2008 - 16:29

The girl in the picture isn't wearing a tank top, Panzer. It's a pinafore of some kind. And... persistent and honest? I've got someone who's actually played the game saying that he was a Padania infiltrator.

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Post by ElfenMagix on Tue 29 Apr 2008 - 20:48

If Pia and Ernesto were Padania Infiltrators, then why a 'Fratello on the Run Mission?" That makes no sense to me, unless Ernest owed Jean 500Euroes for the poker game the night before and he wanted his cash NOW!

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Post by Nachtsider on Tue 29 Apr 2008 - 21:10

It seems quite obvious to me. Padania want to see what makes the girls tick, and get Ernest to bring them one - his own.

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Post by ElfenMagix on Tue 29 Apr 2008 - 21:35

If Ernesto is infiltrating Padania, is he doing this with the agency's blessings?

And if he is, why are the others interfering?

Unless...

It was just a rouge on the SWA and all parties involved and they were not killed, just made to look like it.

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Post by Nachtsider on Tue 29 Apr 2008 - 21:38

I think you misunderstand, Elfen. Ernest is a Padania man, who's infiltrating the Agency.

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Post by Guest on Wed 30 Apr 2008 - 9:29

Hi, everyone. I had the chance to play the games sometimes ago and there is perhaps a plot twist i couldn't get at all (my knowledge of Japanese is very weak). In the last volume, Pia before dying refers to Ernesto as "Onii-chan" (big brother) and, after Henrietta defeats Ernesto multiple times, he seems to refer to himself and Pia as "kyodai" (brothers). I didn't get much of the context but is there someone who could confirm that Pia and Ernesto were actually blood-related brothers?

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Post by Guest on Wed 30 Apr 2008 - 9:35

I didn't get much of the context but is there someone that could confirm that Pia and Ernesto were actually blood-related brothers?

Nope. They're the same as the rest, Fratellos--only, Arnester and Pia got themselves very much attached to each other. They eventually became something close to being real brother and sister.

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Post by Probit Return on Wed 30 Apr 2008 - 12:03

*Crying in a corner* J-just take it Panzer. I don't need it anymore. My quality of welcoming has been stedily declining anyways. *Sniff, sniff* M-maybe, it's better this way.

Um, um, gotta bring this back on topic somehow. Um, uh, Ernesto and Pia are cool. There that should do it.

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Post by FearTheLASERFACE on Sat 13 Nov 2010 - 14:00

Haha, two years between posts.

When Pia "died" the third time, is she ACUTALLY dead that time? Like, confirmed with a body?
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Post by ElfenMagix on Sat 13 Nov 2010 - 15:05

As far as I know, then Pia was killed she was confirmed DOA. But when they went to get the body, she was MIA. This has happened before with the first two games. Those who do play the game could give more detail. I'm just going by what was said years ago.

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Post by Triela Hilshire on Sat 13 Nov 2010 - 17:09

I've played the third volume of the game. Which I might add was no easy task...

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Pia and Earnesto DO die in the final battle. Pia gets trapped and crushed by debris, her handler dies after an... odd... battle with the player.

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Post by FearTheLASERFACE on Sat 13 Nov 2010 - 17:45

Is Pia's body seen after getting crushed?
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Post by Triela Hilshire on Sat 13 Nov 2010 - 17:58

Spoiler:
Yes, both Pia and Ernesto are confirmed truly dead at the end of the game.

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Post by ElfenMagix on Sat 13 Nov 2010 - 18:02

Triela Hilshire wrote:I've played the third volume of the game. Which I might add was no easy task...

Spoiler:
Pia and Earnesto DO die in the final battle. Pia gets trapped and crushed by debris, her handler dies after an... odd... battle with the player.

Spoiler:
Pia's Death, is this the scene where both Henrietta and Pia gets trapped by Pia's Grenade? As I remember it this, is the scene where speculation of the order of the cyborgs comes from, where Pia tells Henrietta "You and I came at the same time and and each loves out brothers greatly..." Pia supposedly dies in this scene and Henrietta rescued, and after after being repaired goes after Ernesto. But they do not take Pia's body as I remember.

Like in the end Game 1, Henrietta shoots down the helicopter that Ernesto and Pia were flying, and it crashes behind the building. Mission Over is what it says in the end when the heli crashes, but Pia could have rescues Ernesto by jumping off the heli before it crashes, leaving Henrietta thinking that they killed them both.

Yeah, Pia is one wicked Gunslinger Girl. Her only faults lies with her handler and not her.

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Re: Rouge Fratello: Earnest and Pia

Post by ElfenMagix on Sat 13 Nov 2010 - 18:05

Triela Hilshire wrote:
Spoiler:
Yes, both Pia and Ernesto are confirmed truly dead at the end of the game.
I will agree with this but they were also 'confirmed' dead in the other two games before only to make a comeback in the third.

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Post by FearTheLASERFACE on Sat 13 Nov 2010 - 18:22

It would be SO much easier to determine if there was video of the Vol 3 ending, even in Japanese.
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Post by ElfenMagix on Sat 13 Nov 2010 - 19:46

Thats the Mystery of Ernesto and Pia.
Try YouTube.

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Post by FearTheLASERFACE on Sat 13 Nov 2010 - 20:10

I've been trying for about 5 hours now.
Razz Not really, but really I can't find anything on vol. 3's ending.
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Post by ElfenMagix on Sat 13 Nov 2010 - 20:43

FearTheLASERFACE wrote:I've been trying for about 5 hours now.
Razz Not really, but really I can't find anything on vol. 3's ending.
Same here. I thought it would have been put up by now but its not.

Here is CD1's death.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huEeogs8oP4

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Post by Officer_Charon on Sat 13 Nov 2010 - 20:48

It's like with all things military and law enforcement: no video footage or independent witnesses, it might as well not exist.

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Post by maverick375 on Sat 30 Apr 2011 - 13:58

There's nothing more useful to a story than a villain who won't die, or looks dead and keeps coming back. Murdoch from MacGyver, and Ernst Blofeld are good examples. Murdoch was an evil and effective guy, but his methods were grandiose and overly-elaborate in the way that doomed so many Bond villains. But you just couldn't kill him.

The final battle of GSG game Vol1 was on top of a parking garage. Most I've ever run into were only five or so levels high, though certainly larger ones exist. It's not unreasonable to believe survival possible in a chopper crash from such a height. Pia, especially could make it.

If I had a video camera, I'd play the finally battle again and put it up. It was a challenge. It was a bit odd with the gladiator dresses (?) Pia and Henrietta were wearing though. Reminded me of Kirika and Chloe in the late episode of Noir, only more disturbing.

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Post by ElfenMagix on Sat 30 Apr 2011 - 16:09

There are 2 other CDs.

They survived the helicopter crash and continued onto the other CDs.

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Post by maverick375 on Sat 30 Apr 2011 - 18:37

The real pain was unlocking all of the weapons. Some of them were just frustrating. Playing a few levels as Triela and Rico was interesting though. No real difference in game play, but I'm curious as to what the story was.

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Post by tremec6speed on Sat 30 Apr 2011 - 22:19

They're alive, trust me.
Last night the three of us were playing Quake 2 while eatin' some of Happy Henrietta's Burpin' Brownies....
It was a gas!
Nuke
{oh an yeah, I'm with Padania too} Muh-m-muhahahaha!
Dante comes around every now and then but can't play without cheatin' all the time, by the way...ugh.
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evil, EVIL man.
Also, I wonder if Ernesto communicated the location of the SWA head quarters
to his fellow conspirators. That might just put everyone on the defensive, yes?
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Post by JameyoftheMegacosmos on Sun 2 Oct 2011 - 20:30

Not exacly what their story is since they're only seen in the games.

But what IS their story on that? Did they like turn to FRF or something?

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Re: Rouge Fratello: Earnest and Pia

Post by Professor Voodoo on Sun 2 Oct 2011 - 20:51

A few fanfic authors have expounded on their story but in brief; Ernesto was turned by the Padania...Pia followed him out of cyborg loyalty/conditioning.

Like the Elsa/Lauro fratello I think their story was swept under the rug by Lorenzo & Jean. The other fratelli might talk about them but only in hushed tones...obviously a taboo subject.

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Post by ElfenMagix on Sun 2 Oct 2011 - 20:58

Hearing about and studying it, if you lose, they make it to the Padania but Ernesto has a change of heart and renigs on the deal. They then continue battling the SWA, leading Padania on that they will get Pia.

They are the quintessential definition of the cyborg and the cyborg/handler relationship.

It also shows some GsG History- according to Pia in the game, Henrietta and Pia went through the cybernetic process together and became friends in the hospital ward.

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Post by ElfenMagix on Sun 2 Oct 2011 - 21:00

Professor Voodoo wrote:Like the Elsa/Lauro fratello I think their story was swept under the rug by Lorenzo & Jean. The other fratelli might talk about them but only in hushed tones...obviously a taboo subject.
The problem here, Voodoo, every operational cyborg at the time, including Claes, went after Pia and Ernesto. Something like that is very hard to sweep under the rug, though a direct order from their handlers to never speak of it could have been given.

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