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Post by West Nile on Tue 22 Jan 2008 - 10:28

There is always Henrietta and Joze, maybe there will be a Petra and Sandro and there are the hundreds of Gunslinger Boys out there trying to serenade the girls. However, with strict measures, harsh environment, corrupt government and Jean...

Could love really bloom in the SWA?
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Post by Guest on Tue 22 Jan 2008 - 10:50

"Do you think love can blossom, even on the battlefield?"

Sorry, that quote just came to mind. Well, call me cheesy...but love is possible in all kinds of situations. Even given the setting and style for GSG, I see a possibility for, well, sprinklings of romance here and there?

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Post by LoC978 on Tue 22 Jan 2008 - 15:32

considering the level of control exerted over their lives, I'd say the chances of love that is more than platonic blossoming in the halls of the SWA are slim to none. Most anything is possible, though.

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Post by Guest on Tue 22 Jan 2008 - 15:34

The relationship between handler and cyborg is far from normal or standard, so you have to ask what you consider to be love. And that's when you get confused and everyone has a different oppinion.

As, for going beyond feelings, and an actual 'romans' happening, it's as LoC says, rather unliekely.

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Post by Sintendo on Tue 22 Jan 2008 - 15:47

Between two personnel... maybe. An office full of adults will do that (yes... it goes ALL ways).

Between a handler and cyborg? Don't know. Even Triela (the resident whipping girl when is comes to forbidden love) is confused over her feelings. Hell, didn't she say it wasn't love, but something like it?

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Post by Nachtsider on Tue 22 Jan 2008 - 17:58

Here's a nice example of romance blooming in the brutal and tragic world of Gunslinger Girl, even if I say so myself.

I prefer the term 'Lifetaker Lads' to 'Gunslinger Boys'.

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Post by Tommygunner70 on Tue 22 Jan 2008 - 18:37

Very nice, I'll have a read.

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Post by Nachtsider on Tue 22 Jan 2008 - 18:44

Thanks a bunch, Tommy. I can't hardly wait for your feedback.

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Post by Probit Return on Sat 26 Jan 2008 - 0:11

Gaia_Cleaver wrote:"Do you think love can blossom, even on the battlefield?"

Congratulations, you just reminded me of one of, if not the most dramatic death in the Metal Gear Solid series. Dammit, I had just gotten over it again too.

Anywho, as it has been said, love can happen anywhere. I'm sure that if Rico had seen more of Emilio without giving him the axe, she would have fallen madly in love. She did express an interest in seeing him again.

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Post by Nachtsider on Sat 26 Jan 2008 - 0:15

Checked out the above link yet, Probit?

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Post by Probit Return on Sat 26 Jan 2008 - 0:33

Uh, It's 11:30 at night where I am so it would make for a very late night... more so then it already will be. I'll get around to it though, as soon as I look to see if there is more I can respond to.

On a side note: Damn, I've been procratinating my fanfics and fiction for too long now. If I get some time tomorrow, I should totally get some written.

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Post by Nachtsider on Sat 26 Jan 2008 - 0:34

Hey - I'm not trying to hurry ya, man. Just meaning to point out that the point you raise about Rico and Emilio is covered in the story where the link leads to. Do take your time.

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Post by Probit Return on Sat 26 Jan 2008 - 0:42

Yeah, no prob. I'm not trying to be a dick or anything... although I can be a light hearted asshole sometimes (a lot of the time actually). I was just stating that I might not get to it tonight.

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Post by sasahara17 on Sat 26 Jan 2008 - 1:15

@West Nile wrote:There is always Henrietta and Joze, maybe there will be a Petra and Sandro and there are the hundreds of Gunslinger Boys out there trying to serenade the girls. However, with strict measures, harsh environment, corrupt government and Jean...

Could love really bloom in the SWA?
Romantic in me says yes. We are all human, and the heart will do as it will. Whether it will be reciprocated, that will be another question.

'All love is unrequited. All of it.' - Suzan Ivanova, Babylon 5

The best line I've heard in a looooong time... short of her 'God sent me' quote.
@Nachtsider wrote:I prefer the term 'Lifetaker Lads' to 'Gunslinger Boys'.
How about 'Gunslinger Guys'? GSG for short? *cricket* silence *cricket*
Oooooookay...


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Post by Danjo3 on Sat 26 Jan 2008 - 1:30

@Sintendo wrote:Even Triela (the resident whipping girl when is comes to forbidden love) is confused over her feelings.
Canon Triela is polishing her shotgun and scowling while saying, "You got that right."
@Nachtsider wrote:I prefer the term 'Lifetaker Lads' to 'Gunslinger Boys'.
Actually, the technical term is ‘Gunslinger Girl-boys’ or GSGB's for short.

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Post by Tommygunner70 on Sat 26 Jan 2008 - 5:24

I have read 3 pages allready of Nachtsiders fanfic.

pretty good, loved Elsa and Triela saving those fly boys.

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Post by Nachtsider on Sat 26 Jan 2008 - 5:58

I'm glad you're lovin' it, Tommy! Watch out for the next chapter, though - that one is the real kicker.

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Post by ElfenMagix on Sat 26 Jan 2008 - 23:46

With as much stress and pressure tha SWA Section 2 creates among the handlers, cyborgs, and support teams- everyone's screwing each other to vent off some steam.

As for romance- Thats a difficult call. Putting emotions in place of such a job and responsibility- is going to cause problems, mistakes, distractions and somebody is going to get deeply hurt in more ways than one. Not that it is possible, but these are the reasons as to why it shouldn't.

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Post by West Nile on Sat 26 Jan 2008 - 23:59

this is kind of off topic but i don't want to pose a new thread.

Petrushaka= russian
Triela= Amsterdam= italian
Rico= french
Henrietta= ?
Claes= ?
Angelica= ?
Elsa= ? (is 'de Sica' her family name or something?)
Beatrice= ?
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Post by sasahara17 on Sun 27 Jan 2008 - 0:08

@West Nile wrote:Elsa= ? (is 'de Sica' her family name or something?)
I think it's the general concensus on this board that 'de Sica' came from Lauro de Sica, but I could be wrong.

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Post by ElfenMagix on Sun 27 Jan 2008 - 0:23

@sasahara17 wrote:
@West Nile wrote:Elsa= ? (is 'de Sica' her family name or something?)
I think it's the general concensus on this board that 'de Sica' came from Lauro de Sica, but I could be wrong.
I started that bad rumour, but it seemed that many agreed on the idea before I said it. My reason for saying that is because it would be easy to explain to other authorities of who is girl it to the rest of the world. Being fratelloes- the shared surnames would apply.

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Post by West Nile on Sun 27 Jan 2008 - 0:49

soooo does anyone know who's from where?
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Post by Sintendo on Sun 27 Jan 2008 - 2:04

Probably from Europe...

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Post by West Nile on Sun 27 Jan 2008 - 2:12

Very Happy where in Europe?
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Post by Sintendo on Sun 27 Jan 2008 - 2:35

Old post from FF.net:

Just educated guesses:

Rico - French
Henrietta - Italian
Triela - Amsterdam (Amsterdinian?)
Claes - German or Austrian
Angelica - Turkish or Greecian
Elsa - Spaniard

I say that Elsa is a spaniard MAINLY due to her song in the GSG Image Album "Poca Fellicita" and NOTHING else.

From what I have gathered:

Jean - Italian (Though his blonde hair sometimes makes me think he's really French or some sort of northern European)
Jose - Italian (With Jean being his brother, he confuses me as well)
Hilshire - German
Marco - Italian
Raballo - Italian
Lauro - Italian or Spanish

Who knows, what Jean told Filippo in Episode 7/Volume 2 Chapter 9 might be true.

"My name is Jean-Louis Padallie. I sell cosmetics in France."

Er... 'cept for the Cosmetics part, of course...

Also, can anyone confirm that Hilshire is really German? I can't seem to find where in the anime or manga it says that he is.

Lauro was just a guess.
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Post by Guest on Sun 27 Jan 2008 - 2:46

Triela was part of the sex-slave trafficking. The sources are in Russia, deep Estern Europe, and around Turkey/Balkans/etc.

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Post by Probit Return on Sun 27 Jan 2008 - 2:49

Well, Hillshire's boss in Europol mentions that he came from Germany. Mind you, this comes from the English version which may or may not have translations errors in it. But I have a feeling that Jean and Jose actually are half-breeds (half Italian, half French).

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Post by Danjo3 on Sun 27 Jan 2008 - 2:51

@West Nile wrote:soooo does anyone know who's from where?
The only hint we have that any of the girls are from anywhere other then Italy was Emilio’s comment about Rico possibly being French. The theory that the girls where all chosen from the far corners of the globe is strictly personal opinion and has no basis in canon.

Edit: Here again, I don’t count Petra.

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Post by West Nile on Sun 27 Jan 2008 - 4:56

tnx, could Angie be a spaniard. She did name her dog Perro and Perro is spanish for dog
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Post by Tommygunner70 on Sun 27 Jan 2008 - 5:42

About Hillshire: Yeah he is german. but one funny thing, Europol HQ is 'The Hage' thats 'Denhaag' for native Dutch...

however Triela was found by hillshire at the docks of Amsterdam, thats 60 Kilometers or so apart.

About Elsa: I cant say for, but Elsa is a pretty common name here in holland, but seeing as there were no details about her, i really cant say.

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Post by Danjo3 on Sun 27 Jan 2008 - 14:25

From what I have gathered:
Jean - Italian (Though his blonde hair sometimes makes me think he's really French or some sort of northern European)
Italian is correct. Jean and Jose are both sons of the famous Italian prosecutor, Giovanni Croce. We know nothing about their Mother, only about their little sister Enrika. Jean is not a half brother because in vol.6, he tells Jose that retuning to Sicily, “Makes me think of our dead parents.” As we know, Giovanni, his wife and Enrika were killed in a road side bombing. There’s no doubt that Jean is a pure Croce - and Italian.

GSG is suppose to be set in Italy with Italian charactors. For the life of me I’ll never know why everyone tries so hard to give those characters other nationalities. It’s almost like being Italian is unacceptable

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Post by LoC978 on Sun 27 Jan 2008 - 14:43

*agrees with Danjo*
...the only exception being Triela. I just don't see her being picked up somewhere in Italy, moved to Holland for a snuff film, and then being taken back to Italy by Hillshire. I find 3klicks' explaination (she's from the Eastern bloc) much more likely.
This doesn't mean they're all pureblooded Italians, of course. Just that they were born and raised in Italy.

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Post by Sintendo on Sun 27 Jan 2008 - 14:54

POSTS WERE MADE FEBRUARY 2006, LOL SRRY GUYS!

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Post by Probit Return on Sun 27 Jan 2008 - 21:38

When I said half-breeds, I meant that their father was of one nationality (Italian) and their mother was of another (French) not that they were half brothers or anything.

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Post by Danjo3 on Mon 28 Jan 2008 - 1:24

@LoC978 wrote:...the only exception being Triela. I just don't see her being picked up somewhere in Italy, moved to Holland for a snuff film, and then being taken back to Italy by Hillshire.
Triela was picked up by the Italian mob (possibly by Mario himself) and “imported” to Amsterdam, so there‘s nothing to say she‘s not from Italy. Once she was rescued, she would have been returned to her native country (Italy) and then picked up by the Agency. I don’t see Section 2 shopping around foreign hospitals for girls. Even Petra, who’s Russian, was picked up in Italy - they didn’t go to Belarus to get her.

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Post by LoC978 on Mon 28 Jan 2008 - 1:46

I doubt Triela was directly picked up by the Italian mob. That would be too unclean for them. Don't forget that they follow a rather warped code of honor.
More likely she was acquired from an outside source. Nobody had to go get her, she just travelled along the established trafficking lines into Amsterdam. Whether she came from Italy, somewhere in the Balkans, Russia or wherever is pretty much impossible to tell, unless Yu himself declares it. Statistically, though... as 3klicks said, it was likely an eastern bloc country.

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Post by Danjo3 on Mon 28 Jan 2008 - 2:01

@LoC978 wrote:I doubt Triela was directly picked up by the Italian mob. That would be too unclean for them. Don't forget that they follow a rather warped code of honor.
If you’ll recall, Mario told Triela that the Mob’s black market tobacco business wasn’t paying so they started exporting “lambs” by way of Amsterdam. Triela knew she was found in Amsterdam and the two of them came to the realization that she was in fact one of those lambs. Mario even apologized to her for this.

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Post by Nachtsider on Mon 28 Jan 2008 - 2:16

Claes' surname (Johanssen) definitely marks her out as being from some Nordic nation - possibly Sweden.

Henrietta's definitely Italian, as the murder of her family took place in Rome - although you could argue that they were an immigrant family.

I don't see anything Italian or Spanish about Elsa - I'm inclined to think she's from some Nordic place like Claes, perhaps Switzerland or Germany (maybe its her blond braids that give me this impression - think Heidi).

Triela strikes me as being Dutch - I say the simple, logical explanation that the Amsterdam snuff-film ring picked her up in Amsterdam makes the most sense. And to LoC - it may not have been the Italian mob who directly picked her up, but their sleazy confederates in the Netherlands.

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Post by Danjo3 on Mon 28 Jan 2008 - 2:26

Well, I guess if we’re going to ignore all of the clues canon gives us and go down the anything is possible route, then I’m going to say Triela is from the United States.

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Post by Nachtsider on Mon 28 Jan 2008 - 2:45

I like to think that Florence Padaille is Rico's real name.

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Post by Danjo3 on Mon 28 Jan 2008 - 3:55

I think Triela’s real name is Ashley Summers and she was a surfer girl from Santa Monica. Once Hillshire rescued her in Amsterdam she was admitted into a local hospital and became the responsibility of Amsterdam authorities. As for Hillshire, he went back to The Hague (keep in mind he was working for Europol at the time). After the folks in Amsterdam treated Ashley’s injuries, they saw to it she was sent back home to the U.S.

Now since it’s common consensus that the Agency likes to shop around in foreign countries for their girls, it should come as no surprise that we would find Jean and Lorenzo in a Santa Monica hospital, making arrangements to spirit Ashley back to Italy.

Is it just me or does it sometimes seem that the simplest answer to a question is the best.

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Post by Sintendo on Mon 28 Jan 2008 - 3:59

Triela is actually the 3rd gen cyborg... FROM THE FUTURE
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Post by Danjo3 on Mon 28 Jan 2008 - 4:10

@Sintendo wrote:Triela is actually the 3rd gen cyborg... FROM THE FUTURE
Sounds like Sheo’s latest Fan Fic.

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Post by Nachtsider on Mon 28 Jan 2008 - 5:21

Sheo's latest fanfic is da bomb. I'm going to petition him for a sequel soon.

I like Danjo's hypothesis. The term 'surfer-girl' is one of the best ways I've seen to describe Triela's look.

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Post by Danjo3 on Mon 28 Jan 2008 - 6:16

Thanks Nachtsider, but I hope you know what I was trying to say.

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Post by Nachtsider on Mon 28 Jan 2008 - 6:17

'Course I do. And I'm sure you know what I was intending to say as well.

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Post by Danjo3 on Mon 28 Jan 2008 - 9:59

You know, now that I think about it, I can see Triela running down a Malibu beach in a two piece…

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Post by Thanatos on Mon 28 Jan 2008 - 10:05

@Danjo3 wrote:You know, now that I think about it, I can see Triela running down a Malibu beach in a two piece…

Doesn´t she wears a two piece when she´s doing stretches in a certain part of the manga?

That´s half the picture you´re imagining right there.

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Post by Sintendo on Mon 28 Jan 2008 - 10:22

Oh lawdy, not this again...

Guh?
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Post by Wileama on Mon 28 Jan 2008 - 17:28

@Sintendo wrote:Triela is actually the 3rd gen cyborg... FROM THE FUTURE
Triela: [Offers a hand up to Hilshire] Come with me if you want to live.

I mean even her name is a give away look it starts with a T! OMG HAX!

The most logical explanation is that Triela is in fact Italian. This would best mesh with info from the story. However her appearances are a real hang up, with good reason. Triela is not your typical Italian.

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