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Post by Sintendo on Mon 28 Jan 2008 - 3:59

Triela is actually the 3rd gen cyborg... FROM THE FUTURE

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Post by Danjo3 on Mon 28 Jan 2008 - 4:10

Sintendo wrote:Triela is actually the 3rd gen cyborg... FROM THE FUTURE
Sounds like Sheo’s latest Fan Fic.

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Post by Nachtsider on Mon 28 Jan 2008 - 5:21

Sheo's latest fanfic is da bomb. I'm going to petition him for a sequel soon.

I like Danjo's hypothesis. The term 'surfer-girl' is one of the best ways I've seen to describe Triela's look.

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Post by Danjo3 on Mon 28 Jan 2008 - 6:16

Thanks Nachtsider, but I hope you know what I was trying to say.

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Post by Nachtsider on Mon 28 Jan 2008 - 6:17

'Course I do. And I'm sure you know what I was intending to say as well.

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Post by Danjo3 on Mon 28 Jan 2008 - 9:59

You know, now that I think about it, I can see Triela running down a Malibu beach in a two piece…

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Post by Thanatos on Mon 28 Jan 2008 - 10:05

Danjo3 wrote:You know, now that I think about it, I can see Triela running down a Malibu beach in a two piece…

Doesn´t she wears a two piece when she´s doing stretches in a certain part of the manga?

That´s half the picture you´re imagining right there.

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Post by Sintendo on Mon 28 Jan 2008 - 10:22

Oh lawdy, not this again...

Guh?

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Post by Wileama on Mon 28 Jan 2008 - 17:28

Sintendo wrote:Triela is actually the 3rd gen cyborg... FROM THE FUTURE
Triela: [Offers a hand up to Hilshire] Come with me if you want to live.

I mean even her name is a give away look it starts with a T! OMG HAX!

The most logical explanation is that Triela is in fact Italian. This would best mesh with info from the story. However her appearances are a real hang up, with good reason. Triela is not your typical Italian.

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Post by Danjo3 on Mon 28 Jan 2008 - 18:32

Wileama wrote:The most logical explanation is that Triela is in fact Italian. This would best mesh with info from the story. However her appearances are a real hang up, with good reason. Triela is not your typical Italian.
Thank you Wileama, it’s about time someone else sees it. I’ve been trying to make this point since back in the old forum. I’ve used boat loads of canon evidence and a lot of common sense, but all I get in reply is, ”She’s blond, she can’t be Italian, she must be Swedish.” Guess what? There are blond Italians.

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Post by Nachtsider on Mon 28 Jan 2008 - 19:57

They're not as common as one would think, Danjo. I've toured Italy before, and can attest to that.

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Post by Danjo3 on Mon 28 Jan 2008 - 20:52

Nachtsider wrote:They're not as common as one would think, Danjo. I've toured Italy before, and can attest to that.
Then you obviously didn’t tour in Northern Italy.

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Post by LoC978 on Mon 28 Jan 2008 - 21:00

I did (well... Torino, Firenze and Venizia, anyway)... and yes, there are plenty of blondes (Perhaps 25% of the locals, perhaps 25% of those are natural. Blonde hair dye/bleach is nearly as popular in Europe as it is in SoCal... lol MTV generation). The only point I have to offer is that a vast majority of children sold as sex slaves (in Europe) are born in the eastern bloc. Triela could very well be from northern Italy, it's just (statistically) less likely.


...goin' waaay back for a quote (haven't been paying close enough attention to this thread to make a reply, it seems):
Danjo3 wrote:If you’ll recall, Mario told Triela that the Mob’s black market tobacco business wasn’t paying so they started exporting “lambs” by way of Amsterdam. Triela knew she was found in Amsterdam and the two of them came to the realization that she was in fact one of those lambs. Mario even apologized to her for this.
hmmm... that's not how I interpreted it... I figured he was already working in Amsterdam, and since the mob's tobacco money was waning, they decided to tap into the established child slave market there.

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Post by Sintendo on Mon 28 Jan 2008 - 22:00

North Italy > South Italy

I toured Italy a few years ago, and all I have to say is, FUCK YOU SOUTH ITALY.

Rudest people alive. Of course, your milage may vary, but goddam... Once somebody found out I was American, it was like I was a walking talking plague... or an idiot. I hate the way some waiters in Ristorantes were talking down to my family and I.

"This is Pizza. P-I-Z-Z-A. Pizza! But it's not like disgusting American Pizza! This Pizza is much more palatable!"

Fuck you, Southern Italy. Fuck you.


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Post by Wileama on Mon 28 Jan 2008 - 22:18

Danjo3 wrote:Thank you Wileama, it’s about time someone else sees it.
Your previous arguments won me over actually. I once got so crazed off statistics/appearance to suggest she had been taken from the Philippines. I think you where the one who took the logic bat to my face over that one, but I digress.

LoC wrote:hmmm... that's not how I interpreted it... I figured he was already working in Amsterdam, and since the mob's tobacco money was waning, they decided to tap into the established child slave market there.
That is a possibility suppose. However what seems off to me is that it doesn't involve Italy. Italy is the center of power for the Italian Mafia. They could be tapping into the Eastern Bloc pool. However that would only really make them middle men. Something criminal dealing could do with out. Not to mention the possible conflict with eastern european criminal organizations isn't to appealing. Especially if they are hurting for money. It would be better to draw off their local pool of candidates. Possibly targeting migrant groups. There have to be some of those in Italy. Which could help explain her appearance.

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Post by Nachtsider on Mon 28 Jan 2008 - 22:21

The Philippines? How many blonde-haired, blue-eyed kids do you find in the Philippines?

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Post by LoC978 on Mon 28 Jan 2008 - 22:25

the Italian Mafia(s) (and I assume Mario was with Camorra, since he's from Napoli) are middlemen for all sorts of things... and they operate in damn near every city in Europe that has a seedy underbelly. However, your explaination is also very plausible. I consider it a tossup that only Yu could clarify.

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Post by Wileama on Mon 28 Jan 2008 - 22:46

Nachtsider, your right there probably aren't that many. Did I mention that I was crazy for suggesting that, because I think it was the craziest idea I've had in a long while.

LoC. I suppose, but there is also the issue of getting her. Danjo is correct to point out that the Agency doesn't go shopping aboard. I don't see them being so interested in getting Hilshire that they decided to cross the boarder. So Triela had to be taken to Italy. It's possible Hilshire did it, but even he would need a reason. The best would be if she where an Italian citizen. So in the end I've decided that Triela is Italian.

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Post by West Nile on Mon 28 Jan 2008 - 23:36

Nachtsider wrote:The Philippines? How many blonde-haired, blue-eyed kids do you find in the Philippines?

What? there aren't any blue-eyed people here... blonde-haired too. It's not in the blood. Triela's tan could be Filipino but there are so many other countries with that kind of color.
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Post by Guest on Mon 28 Jan 2008 - 23:47

@Middlemen: Nowadays practically everyone is someone's middle man. Taking kids out of the Eastern block is cheaper and safer.

Wileama wrote:LoC. I suppose, but there is also the issue of getting her. Danjo is
correct to point out that the Agency doesn't go shopping aboard. I
don't see them being so interested in getting Hilshire that they
decided to cross the boarder. So Triela had to be taken to Italy. It's
possible Hilshire did it, but even he would need a reason. The best
would be if she where an Italian citizen. So in the end I've decided
that Triela is Italian.
This is a good argument. Hillshire's joining the SWA is one of the things that are almost completely unexplained in the manga, so unless we can get some more information this does seem likely. (Although, you have to remember Petrushka.)

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Post by Wileama on Tue 29 Jan 2008 - 0:24

Even Petra came to Italy of her own accord. The agency had nothing to do with her before she came into the country.

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Post by ElfenMagix on Tue 29 Jan 2008 - 0:38

The question with Petra with me is this:
The ballet dancer Elizabeth tried to kill herself after her amputation... now, was she successful and she was brought back or was she in too many pieces for the Russian government not to care about her? As a star dancer as she was, why is the Russian government not asking questions or did the SWA sent them 95 pounds of hamburger meat and say that was all they could scrape off the ground?

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Post by Sintendo on Tue 29 Jan 2008 - 0:40

I doubt that an up-an-coming dancer was of that kind of importance to the Russian government.

Also, I think Liza was dead by the time anyone reached her, otherwise she'd be in rehab and suicide watch. Oh, and the cyborg thing too. Can't forget about that....
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Post by LoC978 on Tue 29 Jan 2008 - 2:17

Wileama wrote:LoC. I suppose, but there is also the issue of getting her. Danjo is correct to point out that the Agency doesn't go shopping aboard. I don't see them being so interested in getting Hilshire that they decided to cross the boarder. So Triela had to be taken to Italy. It's possible Hilshire did it, but even he would need a reason. The best would be if she where an Italian citizen. So in the end I've decided that Triela is Italian.
That's fine. I'm still going with my original theory that Victor heard about the SWA through collegues and approached them himself (his reason being that Triela was going to die, otherwise, due to *insert plot-device-medical-complication here*).

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Post by Nachtsider on Tue 29 Jan 2008 - 2:20

A prime candidate might be AIDS - it's one of the leading causes of death among pedophiles. Who knows what kinds of clap Triela's torturers might have given her.

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Post by Thanatos on Tue 29 Jan 2008 - 7:47

Nachtsider wrote:A prime candidate might be AIDS - it's one of the leading causes of death among pedophiles. Who knows what kinds of clap Triela's torturers might have given her.

Is it?

Wow, had no idea.

Who knows what kinds of clap Triela's torturers might have given her.

I don´t think that Triela would be a viable choice for an agent if she had AIDS.

And for the all the futuristics capabilities of the SWA´s medical department has, i don´t think that they can cure AIDS, there´s nothing to suggest that.

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Post by West Nile on Tue 29 Jan 2008 - 8:06

Wait, when did they ever mention that Triela or the other kids held by the mafia were raped. i remember them saying that Henrietta was assaulted all night long but all they said about Triela was "when they are drugged they do anything they want with them" but then they give examples like being hit by a motorcycle etc.

Henrietta was raped and they took her uterus in conditoning.

they did not do that with Triela
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Post by Nachtsider on Tue 29 Jan 2008 - 8:25

In Henrietta's case, rape was implied, but not explicitly mentioned. Triela was used in snuff flims and probably sadomasochistic kiddie porn as well - rape would definitely have occured in her case.

Many pedophiles frequent child prostitutes - a lot of these unfortunate children are well-used by sickos who have more sexually deviant practices than just pedophilia. AIDS is therefore inevitable.

If the SWA can bring people back from the dead, they can do anything. If the virus was still in its dormant form, perhaps they just replaced Triela's blood.

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Post by West Nile on Tue 29 Jan 2008 - 8:28

... snuff films just mean that it was a kill on film. wouldn't the manga be more specific if it wanted to say that she was raped. like the manner that they let the readers know about Henrietta's case. Triela's uterus is still intact right?
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Post by Nachtsider on Tue 29 Jan 2008 - 9:24

Henrietta's case is actually quite ambiguous - we don't know for certain if rape occured, and we don't know just who it was who took her uterus.

Take into consideration the fact that Triela was almost naked when Hillshire and Rachele found her. One can conclude that sexual assault of some kind was involved. But yes - Triela's uterus and all are still intact, as she still gets her menses.

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Post by LoC978 on Tue 29 Jan 2008 - 10:03

West Nile wrote:... snuff films just mean that it was a kill on film.

West Nile wrote:wouldn't the manga be more specific if it wanted to say that she was raped
"Does as he pleases with the semiconscious child" isn't referring to a tea party. And it's mentioned that that is before the torture.

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Post by Wileama on Wed 30 Jan 2008 - 12:04

Snuff always insinuated a sexual kink to me. Maybe it's just, because I first heard the term in 8mm. I always understood Triela to be a rap victim. It took a little longer to get in the anime, but it was a lot easier to see in the manga.

Nachtsider wrote:Many pedophiles frequent child prostitutes - a lot of these unfortunate children are well-used by sickos who have more sexually deviant practices than just pedophilia. AIDS is therefore inevitable.
Okay pedophiles aren't good people by any measure. We all agree? Okay great. Child prostitution is a serious issue. I could be a little naive, but I hardly think it's so rampant that a majority of pedophiles use child prostitutes. Nor do I think all of them are that inclined to fly of to thailand to find one either. Now prostitutes of all kinds face higher risk of STD's in general. Increased sexual deviance doesn't mean AIDS, or even STDs though. Maybe I'm being a little bit of a PC asshole, but for some reason that last sentence just ercks me.

That, and I doubt the agency any edge when it comes to fighting virus.

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Post by ElfenMagix on Wed 30 Jan 2008 - 17:12

Nachtsider wrote:Henrietta's case is actually quite ambiguous - we don't know for certain if rape occured, and we don't know just who it was who took her uterus.
In the English version of the Anime Episode 1 "Fratello" and in the translated text version that I have of the same, the doctor does say "...she was raped during the night by the corpes of her dead family..." Later on it says that she was multilated and left for dead.

Again, I stipulate that Henrietta lost her uterus due to the sickos cutting her open, and that was the emergency room doctors who gave her a hysterectomy instead of trying to fix her up, and not the SWA. I see this as a possibility if she was so cut up so bady that all that there was was hamburger meat for a uterus -OR- the sicko(s) took a large chunk of it with them!

That second part, as scarey as it may sound- says that those sickos are still around, and poised to srike again. Though it would make a nice fanfict, but I wonder why Yu Aida has not touched up on this (yet). I can see Henrietta breaking down mentally if she were to run into them again and a twinge of memory starting an emotional cascade within her. Worse if its happens during a mission, and its the mission she was 'hired' to do!

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Post by Guest on Wed 30 Jan 2008 - 17:26

@Wileama: If you can treat half of what you hear about Japan seriously, then the newest trend is for little girls who want a fashionable bag or iPhone or something to just post an add on the net and hook up with some old businessman for it. Of course that just isn't right, and covers only the rich pedophiles...

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Anyway, Claes' reactions are proof that the memories do come through and that they can influance a cyborg quite seriously, so the scenario with Henrietta and the rapists is quite probable. Although, I just don't see Yu going into it. There are so many good little plot seeds that he left out, and he has his new army of next generation cyborgs to introduce... Sad

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Post by Guest on Wed 30 Jan 2008 - 18:41

3klicks wrote:Anyway, Claes' reactions are proof that the memories do come through and that they can influance a cyborg quite seriously, so the scenario with Henrietta and the rapists is quite probable. Although, I just don't see Yu going into it. There are so many good little plot seeds that he left out, and he has his new army of next generation cyborgs to introduce... Sad

I dont really think that Yu has actually even introduced the old ones completely so we might just stick with Petra and possibly Bea (old model though). I dont think that it is relevant for the plot development to go into lengthy sidetracks just for the old rapist or something like that. These things dont appeal to the great audience, not everyone is as interested in GSG as we are unfortunately. Also you have to note that a lot of the stuff was just passed on in the manga, compared to the first anime season, which took its time and developed very slowly and carefully. I need to sleep and Im getting too serious meaning Im boring... *BANG!*

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Post by Nachtsider on Wed 30 Jan 2008 - 19:45

ElfenMagix wrote:That second part, as scarey as it may sound- says that those sickos are still around, and poised to srike again. Though it would make a nice fanfict, but I wonder why Yu Aida has not touched up on this (yet). I can see Henrietta breaking down mentally if she were to run into them again and a twinge of memory starting an emotional cascade within her. Worse if its happens during a mission, and its the mission she was 'hired' to do!

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Elfen wrote:In the English version of the Anime Episode 1 "Fratello" and in the translated text version that I have of the same, the doctor does say "...she was raped during the night by the corpes of her dead family..." Later on it says that she was multilated and left for dead.
while I agree that what was meant was that 'Etta was violently raped by the bastards who killed her family, I'd like to point out that I've never seen a translation that uses the word "raped". The word used in most cases that I've seen is "assaulted" (by which I assume they meant "sexually assaulted"). Much more PC.

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Post by ElfenMagix on Wed 30 Jan 2008 - 21:51

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ElfenMagix wrote:That second part, as scarey as it may sound- says that those sickos are still around, and poised to srike again. Though it would make a nice fanfict, but I wonder why Yu Aida has not touched up on this (yet). I can see Henrietta breaking down mentally if she were to run into them again and a twinge of memory starting an emotional cascade within her. Worse if its happens during a mission, and its the mission she was 'hired' to do!

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Post by Guest on Wed 30 Jan 2008 - 22:09

@LoC: It's pretty hard to hang onto the particular words in the manga since it's all scanlated.

What versions do we have? (My particular scanlations says "assaulted" too.)


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Post by LoC978 on Wed 30 Jan 2008 - 22:11

I was talking official translations as well (ADV's and Funimation's, to be precise. They always used the word "assaulted", in that scene)

**edit** ...the versions of that scene (which is in anime episode 1 and manga chapter 1) that I have are...
official: ADV manga, Funimation anime
fan translations: the Triad's fansub of season 1. (the manga I have is actually a scan of the ADV version...)

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wondered why you were talkin' 'bout that theory so much...

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I'm dubbing you SherLoC from now on, LoC.

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Post by Danjo3 on Thu 31 Jan 2008 - 2:47

The people who did this to Henrietta and her family were definitely sickos, but has anyone ever thought that the perpetrators had a very specific reason for doing it, that maybe they were hired to do it?

Example: Maybe Henrietta’s father crossed the Sicilian Mafia and the attack was a revenge hit. I recently saw a program on the History Channel about them and they don’t adhere to any kind of “honor code” – everyone is fair game, so it’s within the realm of possibility.

I always liked to think that since the Croce family has a villa in Taormina that they are in fact Sicilian. Maybe Henrietta is also and that’s yet another reason Jose chose her.

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Post by Nachtsider on Thu 31 Jan 2008 - 2:59

The only problem with your theory, Danjo, is that what happened to Henrietta and her family was far too messy for a Mafia hit. An attack on random victims by bloodthirsty psychopaths seems more probable, if you ask me.

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Post by Danjo3 on Thu 31 Jan 2008 - 3:33

Nachtsider wrote:The only problem with your theory, Danjo, is that what happened to Henrietta and her family was far too messy for a Mafia hit.
As I said, don't confuse the Sicilian Mafia with their American counterparts. They can be very messy, especially when they are trying to send a strong message.

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Post by LoC978 on Thu 31 Jan 2008 - 9:59

Danjo wrote:As I said, don't confuse the Sicilian Mafia with their American counterparts.
who are pretty much an offshoot of Camorra, the Napoli mafia... who have a bit more of an honor system.

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Post by Guest on Thu 31 Jan 2008 - 12:09

Twisted honor...but, yeah...honor.

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Post by ElfenMagix on Thu 31 Jan 2008 - 13:12

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ElfenMagix wrote:*Sniff* *Sniff*
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Is somebody thinking around here?!!

The wood was actually burning ever since 2005, Elfen. Give me a few days, and I promise to wow you with what will be one of my best stories yet (even if I do say so myself).
I'm expecting it!
*just hit a wall of Writer's block on this end, but its from some personal issues I have to deal with and not the story itself... damn- from a page a day for 30 days to 1 every 3 weeks- I've really slowed down alot!!!*

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Post by ElfenMagix on Thu 31 Jan 2008 - 13:13

3klicks wrote:Twisted honor...but, yeah...honor.
Honor amoung thieves/murderers/rapists/arsonists?
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Post by Guest on Fri 1 Feb 2008 - 14:08

what Honor
your talking about people who choose a life of stealing,beating ,maiming, and killing people for money and power
they are the leeches of mankind contributing nothing while taking from those who do
and all the while claming to have some kind of Honor becouse it sounds good in the papers

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Post by Guest on Fri 1 Feb 2008 - 16:09

It depends what you understand by honor. If you understand honor as a system of values that is ingraned/powerful enough that it is found binding on people who believe in it even in situations in which it is not practical or to their advantage then they very well may have honor.

If you mean your own definition of honor then they obviously don't.

Regardless whether they are honorable or not they are still bad people, and the world would be better off without them.

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Post by LoC978 on Fri 1 Feb 2008 - 20:05

Indeed.
...I see the word 'honor' and think 'conformity'. Honor is just a given set of traditions that people follow because "it's how they were raised". Not nescessarily a bad thing, but it's not always a good thing either. That really depends upon the honor system and the people practicing/warping it (just ask a Japanese historian about 'Bushido').
I'd rather define my own values, personally.

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