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Post by West Nile on Sat 26 Jan 2008 - 3:26

Was that Angelica's grave stone Marco was crying in front of?
Was she cremated? What does the SWA do when their "dolls" die anyway?
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Post by Nachtsider on Sat 26 Jan 2008 - 4:28

It probably is, Nile, but considering how resilient cyborgs are, it'd take some strong furnace to melt down the corpses. Prior to Volume Nine, I was always of the impression that they encased the bodies - well, Elsa's body, anyway - in concrete, took them out to the middle of the Atlantic, and dumped them into the water.

Whichever way the SWA disposes of dead cyborgs, it would definitely have to take into account the need to prevent anyone from discovering the corpses, taking them home and opening them up to see how the cyborgs tick.

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Post by West Nile on Sat 26 Jan 2008 - 4:33

poor Angie Cry
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Post by Nachtsider on Sat 26 Jan 2008 - 4:44

C'est la guerre, mon ami. C'est la guerre.

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Post by sasahara17 on Sat 26 Jan 2008 - 5:12

So much for avoiding the Vol 7+ threads like the plague.

Spoiler:
So angie died? So how did Marco take it? Hell, how did everyone take it?

EDIT; Apologies, forgot the tags.


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Post by West Nile on Sat 26 Jan 2008 - 5:18

u seriously want a spoiler? WeLLLLL if i did tell you how EVERYONE handles it you will be spoiled

translation: It is the war, my friend, it is the war
right?
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Post by sasahara17 on Sat 26 Jan 2008 - 5:22

Well... I'll just mosey over to the Vol. 9 thread and find out myself. No need to tell me West Nile.

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Post by West Nile on Sat 26 Jan 2008 - 5:26

ya, actually the whole issue with Angie is just one change in vol. 9. no one else speeks much of the rest of the stuff that happened in the volume
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Post by Nachtsider on Sat 26 Jan 2008 - 6:03

You're right about the translation, Nile.

I'd have popped on spoiler tags, Sasahara, but seeing as it's pretty much an open secret by now...

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Post by Sintendo on Sat 26 Jan 2008 - 10:26

Title fix...

Cry

I knew it was going to happen, but damn... I didn't want to know what happened after...
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Post by Wileama on Sat 26 Jan 2008 - 21:20

@Nachtsider wrote:...I was always of the impression that they encased the bodies - well, Elsa's body, anyway - in concrete, took them out to the middle of the Atlantic, and dumped them into the water.
I would say that's over kill, but per rule 37: There is no 'overkill.' There is only 'open fire,' and 'time to reload.' All you need is a secure location for the body. If the body was buried inside the walls of the compound I wouldn't give the body a second thought security wise. Outside it becomes a slightly bigger issue, but it would still have security through obscurity. Not super reliable, but it should still work. Encasing the body, and dumbing it would be bad for moral, and the return per dollar would be smaller compared to other methods.

Also furnaces have always been energy intensive. Teeth are difficult to burn. So I figure you would just have to spend longer burning a cyborg, but what's a bit of gas compared to a boat into the Atlantic. By the way did you mean the Atlantic, or the Mediterranean?

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Post by Danjo3 on Sun 27 Jan 2008 - 3:46

This may sound a little gruesome and I would hope itís not true, but maybe they salvage the parts that wonít burn for future use.

Rest in peace little Angie.

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Post by West Nile on Sun 27 Jan 2008 - 4:52

@Danjo3 wrote:This may sound a little gruesome and I would hope itís not true, but maybe they salvage the parts that wonít burn for future use.

NOOOOOOOOOO! that can't be true!!! :x
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Post by Wileama on Sun 27 Jan 2008 - 6:58

@Danjo3 wrote:This may sound a little gruesome and I would hope itís not true, but maybe they salvage the parts that wonít burn for future use.
I doubt it. Most of these parts must be custom. I've always taken the view that the agency uses organic tech for the most part. So you might have an issue with rejection. Besides there is always the sizing issue. Not to mention with the new girl you could make that correction in the heart valve you've been meaning to get around to. So I doubt the SWA recycles their cyborgs.

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Post by Thanatos on Sun 27 Jan 2008 - 13:42

Maybe the threadīs title should specify which volume itīs spoiling...

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this is SO sad!

Post by Angiegarde on Sun 27 Jan 2008 - 15:57

I had heard that Angelica died. That's REAL sad.....

Why? Because she's my favorite of the Gunslinger Girls AND she was a sweet and kind hearted girl.

The world of "Gunslinger Girl" has just lost an angel on Earth.

R.I.P little one......
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Post by ElfenMagix on Sun 27 Jan 2008 - 19:02

One must remember- Angie died doing the one thing she was meant to do: Protect Marco at All Costs. She did her job as she was supposed to, and as the standard that all other cyborgs must follow. I can see issuses here with certain cyborgs:

Triela- for she does question Hillshire's orders and is always questioning him.
Petrushka- for she almost questions everything.

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Post by LoC978 on Mon 28 Jan 2008 - 1:00

Elfen wrote:One must remember- Angie died doing the one thing she was meant to do: Protect Marco at All Costs.
if only... that would've been much less painful than the partial recovery and subsequent mental and physical breakdowns... poor kid.

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Post by Danjo3 on Mon 28 Jan 2008 - 1:35

As long as she had to go, itís pretty cool that she went out in a blaze of glory. I have to admit, I was never a big Angie fan, but I sure am now.

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Post by Nachtsider on Mon 28 Jan 2008 - 2:23

A yet-to-be-uttered line in an upcoming fanfic of mine features a cyborg (I won't let slip who) saying: "Better go out in a glorious fireball on the battlefield than slowly waste away on a hospital bed." But Angie's death has left a big, empty hole in me - I've always had a soft spot for her, and tried my utmost to portray her in the heroic light she deserves. She will be missed.

To LoC - I meant the Atlantic. The Med, being a largely inland sea, is prone to washing things up on the shores that surround it.

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small comfort

Post by Angiegarde on Mon 28 Jan 2008 - 3:13

I suppose that if Angie had to die, then dying in defense of her handler Marco was a good way to go.

Still, I feel bad that she died even though I had a strong suspiscon that it was coming given the nature of the 'Gunslinger Girl" series and how Angelica was the very first junior operative thus being more prone to breakdowns.

One thing's for sure. IF i ever write fanfics involving "Gunslinger Girl", Angelica is definitely NOT going to kick the bucket since I'm a sucker for happy endings. (i know that's lame but hey, happy endings is what I like to see)
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Post by Nachtsider on Mon 28 Jan 2008 - 3:27

I second your final view, Ryan.

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Post by West Nile on Mon 28 Jan 2008 - 6:05

Heaven Heaven†has a new Angel. She was once know as Angelina. Now Angelica!
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Post by sasahara17 on Tue 29 Jan 2008 - 3:25

Spoiler:
"...The're one more angel in heaven (ah-ah-ahh),
There's one more
star in the sky (ah-ah-ahh),
Angie we'll never forget you,
It's tough but we're gonna get by...

There's one less place at our table (ah-ah-ahh),
There's one more tear in my eye (ah-ah-ahh)...
But Angie the things that you stood for...
Like cuteness and pasta never die..."
...

If you know in which the CONTEXT this was sung in...
I'm going t' 'ell aren't I?

Spoiler:
"There's a grief that can't be spoken.
There's a pain goes on and on.
Empty chairs at empty tables.
Now that Angie is dead and gone

Here she talked of pleasing Marco.
Here it was she smiled again.
Here she sang about `tomorrow'
And tomorrow never came."
That one... not so good.

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Post by Guest on Sat 2 Feb 2008 - 18:11

im probably going to get flamed for saying this (as i damn well should)
but i think it might be a good thing that she died
:french2: dont kill me yet

ever since elsa died in vol one there hasn't been one case where a cyborg died
and even then elsa didn't die in battle
she killed herself
there was hardly any worry that one of the girls could be KIA
the death of a character can be a great catalyst for any plot and killing off a much loved side character (i loved her too,but of all the girls she got the least amount of screen time)has that effect
the after effect of angie's death shows many other characters acting worried about that possiblty
spoiler

it made jean show more care for rico
made sandro actually make a move on petra
and made hillsher so overprotective of triela that he actually took on a job on his own rather then risk getting her hurt
and we still dont know how this affects jose and etta
and im betting its going to have a lot of impect on them
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i dont read japanise and am just telling it like im seeing it from the pictures

end of spoiler

her death set several plots in motion and with luck will push the manga to a better place

however i did think that her death was too drawn out
she got hit by the blast in one chapter and spent the next 3 chapters slowly dying just for the sake of milking it for more emo impect
and while it was painful to see it happen its was only painful becouse she's such a sweet angel and if it was any other manga with any other adult character it would never fly
the key to using death to progress the plot is not to show the person who's dying but to show how others react to the death and they could have spent several chapters on this insted of watching her fade for 3 chapters and then show character responce for one chapter
i think they should have spent one chapter giving her the spotlight and then just killed her off suddenly
have her go out with a bang and not a wimper
it would also make a bigger shock becouse that way readers would think she is about to become a more central character and then get punched in the gut

thats just how i see it and now if you'll excuse me
i'd like to go kill myself *BANG!*

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Post by ElfenMagix on Sat 2 Feb 2008 - 23:20

bladeofdarkness wrote:her death set several plots in motion and with luck will push the manga to a better place

however i did think that her death was too drawn out
she got hit by the blast in one chapter and spent the next 3 chapters slowly dying just for the sake of milking it for more emo impect

Its to also show how resilent a cyborg is. Looking back at history: US Military barracks in Beriut, Lebanon; Federal Building in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma; WTC Bombing in NYC, NY; U.S. embassies in Nairobi in Kenya, and Dar es Saalam in Tanzania; Habarana in Sri Lanka, etc- with with deaths surpassing 100 and millions of dollars of damages. Anybody within the epicenter of the blast is turned into hamburger meat, and smeared across what ever walls reamins standing.

The blast proved one thing- How much can a cyborg take and still be functional (physically). Angie died (from what I gathered of the medical diagrams shown), from ether a brain hemorage that would stop bleeding, or swelling of the brain from sustained injury from the blast. Outside of that- she sustained a blast that killed everyone around her, destroyed neary buildings, and managed to save Marco at the same time.

Considering that Angie was already falling apart as far as cyborg condictioning is concerened, she stood up to a truck bomb and lived long enough to tell about it! Any other cyborg in better condition would do better on the field. If given a few extra seconds of time, she may have been able to run to the truck and kill them before the bomb is detonated.

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thats just how i see it and now if you'll excuse me
i'd like to go kill myself *BANG!*
Suicide? What a waste.

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Post by Danjo3 on Sun 3 Feb 2008 - 2:25

bladeofdarkness wrote:it made jean show more care for rico
made sandro actually make a move on petra
and made hillsher so overprotective of triela that he actually took on a job on his own rather then risk getting her hurt
and we still dont know how this affects jose and etta
and im betting its going to have a lot of impect on them
True. As much as I hated to see Angie go, her death has definitely sparked some serious emotional drama.

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