Re: Cyborgs and (bacterical/viral) Illness?

by **Nachtsider** on Sun 22 Apr 2012 - 6:01

Destroyer of Worlds ;D wrote:
I was thinking more on the situation where there's an an all out war or something, maybe they're somehwere like the middle east, and having them flown all the way back to Italy would be a bit of a waste of resources, however, the injury still lowers thier combat effectiveness. Or perhaps in an army base that already knows that they are cyborgs (Like the Foereign Legion in one of my Fics), so that they can get fixed there. Saves time, money, and possibly lives.

I shipped the girls out to Iraq in one of my stories. My narrative implies that certain elements of the Coalition forces were aware of their presence, and possessed the facilities to provide them with aid and support. Take note, however, that the events of my stories occur in a world where the SWA is but one of several nations who operate cyborgs, with most of these nations working in concert.

by Alfisti on Sun 22 Apr 2012 - 6:27

Destroyer of Worlds ;D wrote:You wouldn't happen to read Schlock Mercenary would you? Seriously, that's almost exactly like the maxim "The enemy of my enemy is my enemy's enemy, nothing more".

'Fraid not, I just happen to have a particularly jaded and cynical view of the world at large.

Destroyer of Worlds ;D wrote:But how long would these medics take to arrive if they can arrive, is what my problem is with that. I'm not saying it's a bad idea, 'cause it's actually a pretty good one. I'm also not saying that the problem can be permanantly fixed without the Agency's equipment. What I'm getting at is temporary repairs, not replacing damaged organs. Just enough to tide the cyborg over till medics can arrive.

I dunno, I guess a regular doctor/medic could do a blood transfusion (keeping in mind previous conversation), patch a bullet wound in muscle, maybe fix a dislocated limb, that sort of thing. Hell, I've had Jethro superglue Monty closed before now. Administering drugs of any form may be a bit more dubious... if only because the girls are already pumped up on God knows what; adding something else without prior knowledge may not be such a good plan, particularly as concentrated doses of the conditioning compound seem to be used in the place of morphine (which would suggest the latter either doesn't react well to the conditioning drug or is rendered ineffective).

by **ElfenMagix** on Sun 22 Apr 2012 - 18:40

I concur with Nacht. In my universe all first world nations have cybernetic technologies, mostly use in secret. But some nations want to steal such technologies from other nations to see where they are in the technologies. Its a given though that the first world nations have cybernetic systems, it is not that they are the same or even compatible. Even in Japan, different companies have different designs in cybernetics.

by Three Dog on Sun 22 Apr 2012 - 22:33

Natchsider wrote:I shipped the girls out to Iraq in one of my stories. My narrative
implies that certain elements of the Coalition forces were aware of
their presence, and possessed the facilities to provide them with aid
and support. Take note, however, that the events of my stories occur in a
world where the SWA is but one of several nations who operate cyborgs,
with most of these nations working in concert.

ElfenMagix wrote:I concur with Nacht. In my universe all first world nations have
cybernetic technologies, mostly use in secret. But some nations want to
steal such technologies from other nations to see where they are in the
technologies. Its a given though that the first world nations have
cybernetic systems, it is not that they are the same or even compatible.
Even in Japan, different companies have different designs in
cybernetics.

I've just left cyborgs to Italy, but they do or rather, will (as I am yet to write it) work with various other nations who have thier own little dirty secrets; Robots, Arteficial intelegences, Gauss/Rail weapons, Nano technology, Mechs, etc. And everyone sort of knows about the cyborgs anyway, same way as teh Padania do, probably some intern on Facebook or Twitter.

Back to the other subject:

Alfitsi wrote:I dunno, I guess a regular doctor/medic could do a blood transfusion
(keeping in mind previous conversation), patch a bullet wound in muscle,
maybe fix a dislocated limb, that sort of thing. Hell, I've had Jethro
superglue Monty closed before now. Administering drugs of any form may
be a bit more dubious... if only because the girls are already pumped up
on God knows what; adding something else without prior knowledge may
not be such a good plan, particularly as concentrated doses of the
conditioning compound seem to be used in the place of morphine (which
would suggest the latter either doesn't react well to the conditioning
drug or is rendered ineffective).

Super glue? I take it there wasn't any duct tape handy, that shit fixes everything.

by Alfisti on Sun 22 Apr 2012 - 22:47

Destroyer of Worlds ;D wrote:Super glue? I take it there wasn't any duct tape handy, that shit fixes everything.

Well they were on a Russian transport plane at the time, so superglue and duct tape are part of the standard maintinence kit... however duct would have been to visible and I think Monty may have objected. Also, one of the early roles of superglue/CA glue was as a surgical glue used to tak things in place or hold a wound shut untill it could be attended to properly. Why do you think it's so damn good at sticking human body parts to things? Using industrial-grade glue probably isn't a fantastic solution but if the situation requires... hell, I've superglued myself up once or twice. Stings like crazy mind.

by Three Dog on Sun 22 Apr 2012 - 23:04

Alfisti wrote:
Destroyer of Worlds ;D wrote:Super glue? I take it there wasn't any duct tape handy, that shit fixes everything.
Well they were on a Russian transport plane at the time, so superglue and duct tape are part of the standard maintinence kit... however duct would have been to visible and I think Monty may have objected. Also, one of the early roles of superglue/CA glue was as a surgical glue used to tak things in place or hold a wound shut untill it could be attended to properly. Why do you think it's so damn good at sticking human body parts to things? Using industrial-grade glue probably isn't a fantastic solution but if the situation requires... hell, I've superglued myself up once or twice. Stings like crazy mind.

looks like I've learnt my new thing for today. Coolio.

by tremec6speed on Mon 23 Apr 2012 - 15:37

Field medics sound cool. The SWA helps the general public with their prosthetics which I magine are an inferior version of what the girls use. I guess those are only repair/replace, but when Jean smacked Rico, I wonder if the blood stopped on it's own like in a healing process or did she have to get repaired even after what is relativey minor damage?

by crazyidiot78 on Mon 23 Apr 2012 - 15:47

There has to be some degree of healing taking place for minor injuries or the girls would be accidents waiting to happen losing the majority of their effectiveness

by **Nachtsider** on Mon 23 Apr 2012 - 16:34

I'm thinking that kind of injury means absolutely nothing. To use a similar example - the Terminator bled when hit, but that didn't count as any sort of real damage.

by **ElfenMagix** on Mon 23 Apr 2012 - 17:16

Destroyer of Worlds ;D wrote:
Natchsider wrote:I shipped the girls out to Iraq in one of my stories. My narrative
implies that certain elements of the Coalition forces were aware of
their presence, and possessed the facilities to provide them with aid
and support. Take note, however, that the events of my stories occur in a
world where the SWA is but one of several nations who operate cyborgs,
with most of these nations working in concert.

ElfenMagix wrote:I concur with Nacht. In my universe all first world nations have
cybernetic technologies, mostly use in secret. But some nations want to
steal such technologies from other nations to see where they are in the
technologies. Its a given though that the first world nations have
cybernetic systems, it is not that they are the same or even compatible.
Even in Japan, different companies have different designs in
cybernetics.

I've just left cyborgs to Italy, but they do or rather, will (as I am yet to write it) work with various other nations who have thier own little dirty secrets; Robots, Arteficial intelegences, Gauss/Rail weapons, Nano technology, Mechs, etc. And everyone sort of knows about the cyborgs anyway, same way as teh Padania do, probably some intern on Facebook or Twitter.

International travel is not a problem from the looks of it. Triela went everywhere with Hillshire, Henrietta with Jose and Rico with Jean. In fanfiction, with OCs coming from all over the world, they go all over the world. My point is that every nation has their own version of cybernetic technology and are willing to steal a another nation's cyborg to disect her and see where that other nation's technology lies. Almost exactly like the Ernesto/Pia story.

As for Padania know, they dont know. Only Christiano and his minions know because they observed what was in the feild and took action against them. If Christaino told Dante that the government was using bullet proof child super soldiers to go after them, Dante's response would be, "Bullet proof? Hmmmm... Let see them stand up to anti-aircraft fire!" (insert evil cackle here)

by crazyidiot78 on Mon 23 Apr 2012 - 18:58

ElfenMagix wrote:As for Padania know, they dont know. Only Christiano and his minions know because they observed what was in the feild and took action against them. If Christaino told Dante that the government was using bullet proof child super soldiers to go after them, Dante's response would be, "Bullet proof? Hmmmm... Let see them stand up to anti-aircraft fire!" (insert evil cackle here)

Isn't that basicly what Dante did in Venice with the 20mm auto cannon he used on beatrice

by **ElfenMagix** on Mon 23 Apr 2012 - 20:24

crazyidiot78 wrote:
ElfenMagix wrote:As for Padania know, they dont know. Only Christiano and his minions know because they observed what was in the feild and took action against them. If Christaino told Dante that the government was using bullet proof child super soldiers to go after them, Dante's response would be, "Bullet proof? Hmmmm... Let see them stand up to anti-aircraft fire!" (insert evil cackle here)

Isn't that basicly what Dante did in Venice with the 20mm auto cannon he used on beatrice

See - it worked!

by Three Dog on Tue 24 Apr 2012 - 0:26

ElfenMagix wrote:
crazyidiot78 wrote:
ElfenMagix wrote:As for Padania know, they dont know. Only Christiano and his minions know because they observed what was in the feild and took action against them. If Christaino told Dante that the government was using bullet proof child super soldiers to go after them, Dante's response would be, "Bullet proof? Hmmmm... Let see them stand up to anti-aircraft fire!" (insert evil cackle here)

Isn't that basicly what Dante did in Venice with the 20mm auto cannon he used on beatrice

See - it worked!

Beatrice wasn't that bullet proof then, not even able to stop a measly 20mm explosive round designed primarily to shoot tanks and choppers with naught but her chest muscles

. I am much disapointed in her. If it had been a 40mm Depleted Urainium round (or several hundred considering they are fired out of gattling guns), I would have understood. But to beatrice's credit, she did carry a missile all by herself.
Sarcasm aside, are regular humans too soft a target for an explosive round to, you know, explode on?

Natchsider wrote:I'm thinking that kind of injury means absolutely nothing. To use a
similar example - the Terminator bled when hit, but that didn't count as
any sort of real damage.

I agree.

ElfenMagix wrote:International travel is not a problem from the looks
of it. Triela went everywhere with Hillshire, Henrietta with Jose and
Rico with Jean. In fanfiction, with OCs coming from all over the world,
they go all over the world. My point is that every nation has their own
version of cybernetic technology and are willing to steal a another
nation's cyborg to disect her and see where that other nation's
technology lies. Almost exactly like the Ernesto/Pia story.

Facinating. Definately gives me some food for thought

.

by **Nachtsider** on Tue 24 Apr 2012 - 2:27

Destroyer of Worlds ;D wrote:Sarcasm aside, are regular humans too soft a target for an explosive round to, you know, explode on?

Nope. 20mm rounds will turn a person into paint.

by Alfisti on Tue 24 Apr 2012 - 3:11

ElfenMagix wrote:International travel is not a problem from the looks of it. Triela went everywhere with Hillshire, Henrietta with Jose and Rico with Jean. In fanfiction, with OCs coming from all over the world, they go all over the world. My point is that every nation has their own version of cybernetic technology and are willing to steal a another nation's cyborg to disect her and see where that other nation's technology lies. Almost exactly like the Ernesto/Pia story.

I don't see any issue with international travel either... and lets be honest: I'd be being a little hypocritical if I did Razz

... just so long as the logistical issues are taken care of as well, whether that be by sending a large team with support, short duration deployments (go, get the job done and get out, before any cyborg tics become an issue), or through a means like I have with J+M... whatever works.

As to what nations get which toys, in my own head (and thereby in my own fanfiction universe) I tend to view Italy as being particularly advanced down the cyborg/bio-engineering route; an oddity in an otherwise relatively normal world. Sure, the States has their nano-tech, etc. but the Italians are the only ones who have managed to get all the bits working in one system... and I'm sure there's plenty willing to have a stab at stealing said system. That's how I tend to play it anyway.

by Three Dog on Tue 24 Apr 2012 - 7:34

Alfisti wrote:
ElfenMagix wrote:International travel is not a problem from the looks of it. Triela went everywhere with Hillshire, Henrietta with Jose and Rico with Jean. In fanfiction, with OCs coming from all over the world, they go all over the world. My point is that every nation has their own version of cybernetic technology and are willing to steal a another nation's cyborg to disect her and see where that other nation's technology lies. Almost exactly like the Ernesto/Pia story.
I don't see any issue with international travel either... and lets be honest: I'd be being a little hypocritical if I did ... just so long as the logistical issues are taken care of as well, whether that be by sending a large team with support, short duration deployments (go, get the job done and get out, before any cyborg tics become an issue), or through a means like I have with J+M... whatever works.

As to what nations get which toys, in my own head (and thereby in my own fanfiction universe) I tend to view Italy as being particularly advanced down the cyborg/bio-engineering route; an oddity in an otherwise relatively normal world. Sure, the States has their nano-tech, etc. but the Italians are the only ones who have managed to get all the bits working in one system... and I'm sure there's plenty willing to have a stab at stealing said system. That's how I tend to play it anyway.

I don't doubt that people want to stell things, even within my own 'verse. Hell, I've got a whole mercenary army based around that fact that they can steel every ones dirty little secrets, they got the lot, but do not sell any of it so as to maintain a monopoly on the global mercenary market. They also have the hate of every 'advanced' nation out there, at least for a while. I actually have the SWA doing some of the thieving, since each model (merc 'borg/SWA 'borg/ whoever else has stolen the tech/ 'borg) has it's advantages and disadvanteges
And I'd given the Americans Rail/Gauss tech instead of nano. I haven't decided who gets nano yet, maybe the Germans?
And you guys got me on the whole medic thing, I can't find anymore holes. I surrender.
For now

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by Schaschanist on Wed 25 Apr 2012 - 1:46

Guys, becauseof some actual thoughts i want to turn this here to slightly different direction.

In the manga I've seen Triela enjoying a glass of wine. Now my question is, how do our cyborgs react on alcohol?

In my vision I see Triela convincing Emilie on a trip to taste a glass of red wine and Emi on the next morning has headache after she was lightly drunken the evening before because of that new experience (she never before tasted any littlest drop alcohol).

by Alfisti on Wed 25 Apr 2012 - 2:18

schaschanist wrote:Guys, becauseof some actual thoughts i want to turn this here to slightly different direction.

In the manga I've seen Triela enjoying a glass of wine. Now my question is, how do our cyborgs react on alcohol?

In my vision I see Triela convincing Emilie on a trip to taste a glass of red wine and Emi on the next morning has headache after she was lightly drunken the evening before because of that new experience (she never before tasted any littlest drop alcohol).

Well, in my own fiction I tend to take the view that they process alcohol in approximately the same manner as a regular human, with the associated varying tolerances for the stuff. Monty's certainly not adverse to a drink or two, and since she drinks resonably regularly presumably her tollerance is higher than a cyborg who doesn't.

I don't have any good medical backing for this, it's just how I like to play my stories. Razz

That said: I guess it would probably depend on how the liver was treated during the girls' conversion to cyborgs. If they still have a biological liver I assume the processing of alcohol is similar to that of a human (key word here: assume. I've not done much reading into how the body processes alcohol... bar the usual practical research Razz

). If its an artificial liver then it might be different, and if the liver were artificial then it would make sense to have it process toxins (including alcohol) as quickly as possible, faster than a normal human liver if possible.

Personally I tend to keep the girls' cyborg advantages to the basics: strength, motorskills/reactions/speed, bullet resistence, vision, hearing... maybe smell (not so much Monty), so the liver operates as per human-normal. However that's just because I like to make their lives more difficult in the interests of the story.

Others will probably have different views and play it differently.

by crazyidiot78 on Wed 25 Apr 2012 - 4:08

I took the artificial route in regards to their liver and the girls process alcohol, drugs, and other substances very fast. So they can still get drunk they just need to have a lot of alcohol in a short period of time.

by **Nachtsider** on Wed 25 Apr 2012 - 4:39

I like to think they can drink any alcoholic under the table in no time flat.

by Awinnell on Wed 25 Apr 2012 - 5:20

Alchohol and whatever godforsaken drugs they are being given ?

Baaadd idea !

by Professor Voodoo on Wed 25 Apr 2012 - 6:43

Awinnell wrote:Alchohol and whatever godforsaken drugs they are being given ?

Baaadd idea !

On two occasions we see Triela drinking wine;

being that Hillshire is not exactly a reckless guy I'm sure he's consulted the cyborg engineers before allowing her to have it.

Personally, I don't subscribe to the notion that the cyborgs have any greater tolerance to intoxicants than a normal 10-17 year old.

by **Kiskaloo** on Wed 25 Apr 2012 - 6:52

Even an artificial liver likely has it's limits and I expect the Medical Branch did not have alcohol processing in mind as the primary function.

by crazyidiot78 on Wed 25 Apr 2012 - 7:12

i actually based the idea of faster alcohol metabolism on the thought that the doctors would want certain substances processed faster than normal and those substances are also broken down in the same way that alcohol is. So it was more of an after thought than part of the design process.

by Professor Voodoo on Wed 25 Apr 2012 - 7:27

crazyidiot78 wrote:i actually based the idea of faster alcohol metabolism on the thought that the doctors would want certain substances processed faster than normal and those substances are also broken down in the same way that alcohol is. So it was more of an after thought than part of the design process.

As a way of quickly neutralizing an introduced poison I presume?

by **Nachtsider** on Wed 25 Apr 2012 - 10:49

Professor Voodoo wrote:As a way of quickly neutralizing an introduced poison I presume?

Exactly.

The doctors belatedly discover the unconsidered alcohol-related effects when Triela drinks several SWA employees under the table on a dare, but are unable to do anything to rectify this without undoing their intended end-results with regards to poisoning negation.

by **ElfenMagix** on Wed 25 Apr 2012 - 17:17

In my universe cyborgs still have their liver since its an organ that is yet to be made artificial yet. So they process alcohol like any other person.

But in my universe, we have RU-22, the government version of RU-21 pills, which actually absorbs alcohol and helps the body recover from its poisons. Unlike the public version which only eases a hangover.

by Three Dog on Thu 26 Apr 2012 - 2:17

I'd never really thought about the how of how the cyborgs get
drunk. I do have one of my OCs, Mercedes as an alcoholic, and she
basically drinks that often that she almost has a natural imunity to
whiskey. S'pose she would probably have an arteficial liver (or a
regular one that's on the verge of death). With my other OC, Victoria,
it's a given that her liver would be arteficial since everything from
her chest below had to be reconstructed, though she still gets drunk
normally.
Basically what I'm trying to say and that I only just
figured out now, is that they have arteficial livers that process
alcohol like a reular liver. Don't know if it will be any help though.
P.S. Red wine tastes like puke.

by **Nachtsider** on Thu 26 Apr 2012 - 3:33

Destroyer of Worlds ;D wrote:P.S. Red wine tastes like puke.

by Alfisti on Thu 26 Apr 2012 - 4:01

Destroyer of Worlds ;D wrote:P.S. Red wine tastes like puke.

The trick is not to drink the stuff which comes in a goon bag. Wink

by **Kiskaloo** on Thu 26 Apr 2012 - 6:10

Alfisti wrote:
Destroyer of Worlds ;D wrote:P.S. Red wine tastes like puke.

The trick is not to drink the stuff which comes in a goon bag.

Amy: "But in a box? Brilliant!"

by Awinnell on Thu 26 Apr 2012 - 9:45

Kiskaloo wrote:
Alfisti wrote:
Destroyer of Worlds ;D wrote:P.S. Red wine tastes like puke.

The trick is not to drink the stuff which comes in a goon bag.

Amy: "But in a box? Brilliant!"

sorry to say it's an age thing,generally you learn to drink for the taste rather than the side effects as you get older !

by crazyidiot78 on Thu 26 Apr 2012 - 16:54

Eh im older and i still dont like the stuff give me a screw driver or cuba llibre any day

by **ElfenMagix** on Thu 26 Apr 2012 - 18:19

Destroyer of Worlds ;D wrote:P.S. Red wine tastes like puke.

You should try the bitter dregs at the bottom of the bottle.

Destroyer of Worlds ;D wrote:I'd never really thought about the how of how the cyborgs get
drunk. I do have one of my OCs, Mercedes as an alcoholic, and she
basically drinks that often that she almost has a natural imunity to
whiskey. S'pose she would probably have an arteficial liver (or a
regular one that's on the verge of death).

Fernando is the son of 2 alcoholic parents, so his alcohol resistance is quite high. His drinking has been known to scare most bartenders, especially when he does his 8 Double-Quad Scotches, which is about 4 one liter bottles...

Destroyer of Worlds ;D wrote:... With my other OC, Victoria,
it's a given that her liver would be arteficial since everything from
her chest below had to be reconstructed, though she still gets drunk
normally.
Basically what I'm trying to say and that I only just
figured out now, is that they have arteficial livers that process
alcohol like a reular liver. Don't know if it will be any help though.

I'll say before and I'll save it again. The liver is too complex to make artificial.

by Three Dog on Fri 27 Apr 2012 - 3:09

I seem to have opnened quite the can of worms here.

ElfenMagix wrote:
Destroyer of Worlds ;D wrote:... With my other OC, Victoria,
it's a given that her liver would be arteficial since everything from
her chest below had to be reconstructed, though she still gets drunk
normally.
Basically what I'm trying to say and that I only just
figured out now, is that they have arteficial livers that process
alcohol like a reular liver. Don't know if it will be any help though.

I'll say before and I'll save it again. The liver is too complex to make artificial.

I know, I'm a bad person, but I had already written it that way before it was pointed out and have written three stories with her that way (All but one finnished (but not edited) before joining the forum). I'll be damned if I'm gonna sumon the energy and get off my lazy ass to go change it now

.

Awinnell wrote:
Kiskaloo wrote:
Alfisti wrote:
Destroyer of Worlds ;D wrote:P.S. Red wine tastes like puke.

The trick is not to drink the stuff which comes in a goon bag.

Amy: "But in a box? Brilliant!"

sorry
to say it's an age thing,generally you learn to drink for the taste
rather than the side effects as you get older !

Isn't that becuase as people get older, thier taste buds change so that bitter tastes are more... appetising (for lack of a better word). That's how old poeple can stand blue vein cheese. You may want to verify this with a reputable source; I am known to be wrong at times.

by Alfisti on Fri 27 Apr 2012 - 5:29

ElfenMagix wrote:I'll say before and I'll save it again. The liver is too complex to make artificial.

But also, I believe (and I could be wrong... it's happened before Razz

) fortunatley one of the easier organs to transplant.

by crazyidiot78 on Fri 27 Apr 2012 - 5:31

Destroyer of Worlds ;D wrote:Isn't that becuase as people get older, thier taste buds change so that bitter tastes are more... appetising (for lack of a better word). That's how old poeple can stand blue vein cheese. You may want to verify this with a reputable source; I am known to be wrong at times.

No you are correct we do lose the ability to taste and smell some what as we age. However there are also psycological and rational factors involved as well when we stop drinking like a bunch of frat boys.

by **Nachtsider** on Fri 27 Apr 2012 - 5:51

Fuck rationality. You only live once. Razz

by **boomer_gonz** on Fri 27 Apr 2012 - 7:23

Since I am (very) late to this party. I swill state that many of these questions arose with me and with others I asked around again and in a bout of creative( or careless from another point of view) I went with discerning the technologies in the SWA as being either of techno-organic origin or the more realistic bio-synthetic models. It even sparked a fic in me that I have yet to finish. sweat

With further information listed in the OC Wiki it basically boils down to...

Techno-organic= A substance or process meant to seamlessly repair and/or replace natural biologic function.

Bio-synthetic= A substance or process meant to emulate a biologic function requiring repair and/or replacement.

Another primary difference between the two being that the techno-organic process is a one-time process assimilating the body's own natural repair and maintenance mechanisms and possibly improving them as well. Bio-synthetic on the other hand would be something similar too, but not quite organic meaning that the organ(s) would need repair, maintenance, and eventual periodic replacement.

by tremec6speed on Fri 27 Apr 2012 - 13:49

To toss my two cents into this cool conversation, I imagine that budgets dictate a lot therefore if it's more feasible to develop a pill for alcohol control than to create a complex organ, then the Agency will do what is more economically expedient. (of course to do that means the SWA expects the girls to drink at some point on their missions, I guess?) Hmm...

by crazyidiot78 on Fri 27 Apr 2012 - 17:35

boomer_gonz wrote:Since I am (very) late to this party. I swill state that many of these questions arose with me and with others I asked around again and in a bout of creative( or careless from another point of view) I went with discerning the technologies in the SWA as being either of techno-organic origin or the more realistic bio-synthetic models. It even sparked a fic in me that I have yet to finish.

With further information listed in the OC Wiki it basically boils down to...

Techno-organic= A substance or process meant to seamlessly repair and/or replace natural biologic function.

Bio-synthetic= A substance or process meant to emulate a biologic function requiring repair and/or replacement.

Another primary difference between the two being that the techno-organic process is a one-time process assimilating the body's own natural repair and maintenance mechanisms and possibly improving them as well. Bio-synthetic on the other hand would be something similar too, but not quite organic meaning that the organ(s) would need repair, maintenance, and eventual periodic replacement.

i am excited to see what you have on that angle boomer cant wait

by **ElfenMagix** on Fri 27 Apr 2012 - 18:03

Alfisti wrote:
ElfenMagix wrote:I'll say before and I'll save it again. The liver is too complex to make artificial.
But also, I believe (and I could be wrong... it's happened before ) fortunatley one of the easier organs to transplant.

You are correct on that, Alfisti.

by crazyidiot78 on Fri 27 Apr 2012 - 18:06

It also helps that the liver regenerates it self so a full sized transplant is not needed. This also allows live donors even though we only have 1

by **ElfenMagix** on Fri 27 Apr 2012 - 18:17

crazyidiot78 wrote:It also helps that the liver regenerates it self so a full sized transplant is not needed. This also allows live donors even though we only have 1

Correct. It takes a couple of months for a liver to regrow to its original size. But during this time, one cant take alcohol. A friend of mine had cancer on one of his liver lobes, so it was cut out, and the rest grew back without incident. But he was a heavy drinker and when the liver 80% regrown, he took one too many drinks. He died the way he wanted: sitting down watching TV with a beer in his hand (and 9 empties on the floor, after having returned from bar hopping and who knows how many drinks he had then...). Joe, you're being missed by a lot of friends.

by Three Dog on Sat 28 Apr 2012 - 0:08

Nachtsider wrote:Fuck rationality. You only live once.

I agree.
In the words of some one who's name I cannot remember: "You spend your whole life eating right and staying fit so that you can die healthy."
Imma go do some things my parents warned me never to do, see you's in a bit

.

by **ElfenMagix** on Sat 28 Apr 2012 - 16:37

Destroyer of Worlds ;D wrote:
Nachtsider wrote:Fuck rationality. You only live once.

I agree.
In the words of some one who's name I cannot remember: "You spend your whole life eating right and staying fit so that you can die healthy."
Imma go do some things my parents warned me never to do, see you's in a bit .

I remember some schlock diet doctor professing about eating in a certain way. His more famous quote, "You are what you eat. But who wants to grow up a wiener? Or a Twinkie?" He died about 2 years later in his late 30s. In seeing this, I'll stay with my high cholesterol, high caffeine, moderate alcohol, wiener and Twinkie diet. I'm seem to be doing fine with it.

by Thescarredman on Wed 2 May 2012 - 18:20

Well, Chapter 95 gives us something new to think about. A cyborg with blood cancer? That can be treated by replacing her limbs? Errrrr...

by **ElfenMagix** on Wed 2 May 2012 - 18:24

Thescarredman wrote:Well, Chapter 95 gives us something new to think about. A cyborg with blood cancer? That can be treated by replacing her limbs? Errrrr...

No. Unless the problems lies in that inside her limbs still contain her original bones. It is in the long bones of the body (and in the Pelvis) that contains the bone marrow and the source of her Leukemia.

But where are several solutions of cures for that cancer. Which one they take is on them.

by crazyidiot78 on Wed 2 May 2012 - 20:20

Well that depends on if it metastisizes and i think they mentioned in the chapter that she is more prone to getting cancer so that makes things more difficult

by Schaschanist on Wed 2 May 2012 - 22:30

Chapter 95 is a good example how much normal human the 2nd gens really are.
I think with the 1st gens there aren't such issues since they are alot more artificial.

by Three Dog on Thu 3 May 2012 - 3:13

FUCK! I still haven't read Ch95 guys

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Nah, it's all good. I need to get off my arse and read it now, thanks for the push

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