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Post by Kiskaloo on Sat 25 Feb 2012 - 18:01

So looks like Audi should have an easy LeMans win with Peugeot shelving their LMP program as I don't expect Toyota's LMP1 to be much of a threat in it's first appearance.

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Post by Alfisti on Sat 25 Feb 2012 - 18:38

Speaking of new entries into Motorsport... Nissan announced earlier next month that it would be making a return to V8 supercars as of 2013... almost two decades after its Godzilla was originally banned, essentially for kicking everybody's arses.

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Post by Kiskaloo on Sat 25 Feb 2012 - 19:04

@Alfisti wrote:Speaking of new entries into Motorsport... Nissan announced earlier next month that it would be making a return to V8 supercars as of 2013... almost two decades after its Godzilla was originally banned, essentially for kicking everybody's arses.

A GT-R with a V8... I predict much kicking of Ford and Holden ass. Yes Indeed

Hopefully SPEED will carry some of the races live again this year.


Back home in the States, Daytona has not disappointed so far, with both the Craftsman Truck and Nationwide races ending with massive pile-ups on the final corner of the final lap taking out the leaders and letting a first-timer win.

Guess I'll need to watch the 500 live tomorrow...

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Post by ElfenMagix on Sat 25 Feb 2012 - 21:26

As strange as it may sound, Danica Patrick, female racer in many outlets but noted for her Indy Car Race participation, has gotten the pole for NASCAR's first race.

Personally I didn't know she was into NASCAR, but she was for the past couple of years. Hope she does well.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nascar/news?slug=ap-nascar-daytona-nationwide

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Post by ElfenMagix on Sat 25 Feb 2012 - 22:08

Patrick wrecks early in Nationwide race at Daytona
http://sports.yahoo.com/nascar/news?slug=ap-nascar-daytona-danica

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Post by Professor Voodoo on Sun 26 Feb 2012 - 5:39

@Kiskaloo wrote:So looks like Audi should have an easy LeMans win with Peugeot shelving their LMP program as I don't expect Toyota's LMP1 to be much of a threat in it's first appearance.
With Aston Martin dropping their LMP program Audi will be the only manufacturer team contesting the nascent World Endurance Championship. Aston isn't abandoning sports car racing altogether though...they will have a factory GT team in all 8 rounds.
@Alfisti wrote: Nissan announced earlier next month that it would be making a return to V8 supercars as of 2013...
Kisk wrote:A GT-R with a V8... I predict much kicking of Ford and Holden ass.
Will Nissan's contender neccessarily be a Skyline GT-R? I think it's more likely that they'll run a 4-door sedan with an approved pushrod V-8 like the two resident makes. What is Nissan's Australian market competitor for the Falcon & Commodore anyway?
@ElfenMagix wrote:As strange as it may sound, Danica Patrick, female racer in many outlets but noted for her Indy Car Race participation, has gotten the pole for NASCAR's first race.

Personally I didn't know she was into NASCAR, but she was for the past couple of years. Hope she does well.
For years Patrick has been using the threat I'll move to NASCAR to get more money for her IndyCar duties. As their most famous driver and biggest crowd draw she could get away with it. She ran a limited schedule of 2nd tier NASCAR races last year (Nationwide Series, I think it's called this week) but this year she goes full time in that series with selected appearances in the top Cup series. No reason she shouldn't do well.
Kisk wrote:Back home in the States, Daytona has not disappointed so far, with both the Craftsman Truck and Nationwide races ending with massive pile-ups on the final corner of the final lap taking out the leaders and letting a first-timer win.
I actually watched the last 30 laps of the "truck" race...and frankly I was reminded of why I don't watch NASCAR much. Wreck after idiotic wreck and NASCAR's insistence on ending the races under green flag running meant the race went into three "green-white-checkers" overtime periods. I'll be watching the first round of the World Superbike Championship (tape delayed from Phillip Island, Australia) tomorrow instead.
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We didn't even mention the traditional first race of the motorsports calender...the 2012 Dakar Rally, held in South America again this year.

Bikes: The closest battle of the three main categories saw a back and forth fight between KTM team-mates Marc Coma & Cyril Depres. At times the two were seperated by as little as 20 seconds, trading the lead daily based on who had first-start "road clearing" duties. Defending champ Coma suffered mechanical misfortune near the end, handing a 4th crown to Depres. This pair have alternated as winners for the past 7 rallies.


Cars: Robby Gordon & defending champ Nasser Al-Attiyah were blindingly fast in 2wd rear-engined "Hummers" (running under buggy rules) but internal team drama, mechanical bugs and disputees with the race organizers scuppered their chance for the win. Stéphane Peterhansel, driving a re-skinned BMW X-series called a Mini this year, added a 4th car win to his 6 motorcycle victories.

2009 winner Giniel de Villiers drove a Toyota built to next years rule package. Despite being visibly slower than this years cars he finished an impressive 3rd. Watch out for him next year.

Trucks: The Russian Kamaz team, which has dominated by winning 9 of the last 11 rallies, lost both of their star drivers this year. 7-time winner Vladamir Tchagin and 2-time winner Fidraus Kabirov both stepped down to management roles and the team suffered. Dutchman Gérard de Rooy (driving an Iveco) capitalized Kamaz's struggles to net his first win...echoing his father's victory in the 1987 race.

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Post by Alfisti on Sun 26 Feb 2012 - 7:14

@Professor Voodoo wrote:Will Nissan's contender neccessarily be a Skyline GT-R? I think it's more likely that they'll run a 4-door sedan with an approved pushrod V-8 like the two resident makes. What is Nissan's Australian market competitor for the Falcon & Commodore anyway?
I doubt it will be the GT-R... rules have moved on since the early nineties... among which is that the cars have to be RWD. As to what they'll be campaigning... that's still very much open to speculation. Nissan's competitor in the "large saloon" market here is the Maxima, but there's also talk of one of the 4-door Skyline variants or one of the upcoming medium-car segment saloons. The biggest problem with running a Maxima would be that it's not marketed as a "performance" vehicle... as to developing a V8 to go in it, that task has been handed to Kelly Brothers Racing, who will make the move from Holden to Nissan next year.

That fans are... not happy.

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Post by boomer_gonz on Sun 26 Feb 2012 - 8:25

Well to much pussyfooting by Red Bull heads and the ever growing controversy of the Red Bull Stratos Project (how is THAT even considered a motorsport?!!); it appears the Red Bull Air Race World Championship Series will be taking another year long hiatus. Hissy fit

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Personally; I'd rather Red Bull sell the rights to the old format or at least license them if possible to allow the teams to pursue other avenues of competitions. I want my air races Dab Gummit!!

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Post by Kiskaloo on Sun 26 Feb 2012 - 11:10

@Alfisti wrote:As to what they'll be campaigning... that's still very much open to speculation. Nissan's competitor in the "large saloon" market here is the Maxima, but there's also talk of one of the 4-door Skyline variants or one of the upcoming medium-car segment saloons.

The Sydney Morning Herald believes it will be the Nissan Altima, which evidently will be replacing the Maxima in the Australian market.


@Alfisti wrote:The biggest problem with running a Maxima would be that it's not marketed as a "performance" vehicle...

Hehe. In the 1990s, the Maxima was marketed in the US as "a 4-door sports car". Very Happy




Good thing Daytona has lights, since it's just pouring on the track right now, so the 500 won't be starting anytime soon.

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Post by Kiskaloo on Tue 28 Feb 2012 - 10:46

@Professor Voodoo wrote:I actually watched the last 30 laps of the "truck" race...and frankly I was reminded of why I don't watch NASCAR much. Wreck after idiotic wreck and NASCAR's insistence on ending the races under green flag running meant the race went into three "green-white-checkers" overtime periods.

They only had one for the 500, but that was because they all wrecked in the laps prior to the final five.

This 500 will be one to be remembered, I expect. I gave up after 9:30PM and DVR'd the finish.


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Post by Professor Voodoo on Thu 1 Mar 2012 - 23:46

With Toyota entering its hybrid TS030 at LeMans this year, and Porsche joining with its own in 2014, Audi has decided on a pre-emptive strike.
crash.net wrote:Audi has revealed that its new LMP1 race car, which will fight for honours in the LeMans 24 Hours later this year, is to be known as the R18 e-tron quattro.

The car, a hybrid version of the successful R18, will debut at the Spa round of the World Endurance Championship in May before fighting for honours at Le Mans in June.

The R18 e-tron quattro features a system that stores energy under braking which is then transferred back to the circuit through the front wheels.
At Le Mans, Audi will field two of the new hybrid cars, with one being shared by Marcel Fässler, André Lotterer and Benoît Tréluyer and one driven by Dindo Capello, Tom Kristensen and Allan McNish.

Audi will also field two 2012-spec versions of the 'traditional' R18 – dubbed the R18 ultra. Loïc Duval, Timo Bernhard and Romain Dumas share one car, with Marco Bonanomi, Oliver Jarvis and Mike Rockenfeller in the second.


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Post by Alfisti on Fri 2 Mar 2012 - 4:16

@Professor Voodoo wrote:With Toyota entering its hybrid TS030 at LeMans this year, and Porsche joining with its own in 2014, Audi has decided on a pre-emptive strike.
crash.net wrote:Audi has revealed that its new LMP1 race car, which will fight for honours in the LeMans 24 Hours later this year, is to be known as the R18 e-tron quattro.

The car, a hybrid version of the successful R18, will debut at the Spa round of the World Endurance Championship in May before fighting for honours at Le Mans in June.

The R18 e-tron quattro features a system that stores energy under braking which is then transferred back to the circuit through the front wheels.
At Le Mans, Audi will field two of the new hybrid cars, with one being shared by Marcel Fässler, André Lotterer and Benoît Tréluyer and one driven by Dindo Capello, Tom Kristensen and Allan McNish.

Audi will also field two 2012-spec versions of the 'traditional' R18 – dubbed the R18 ultra. Loïc Duval, Timo Bernhard and Romain Dumas share one car, with Marco Bonanomi, Oliver Jarvis and Mike Rockenfeller in the second.


Another link with more information.
Sounds like the hybrid system is only intended to really give drive out of corners... which makes sense: extra power without needing to worry as much about overwhelming the rear tyres. Will be interested to see the sorts of cornering/exit speeds they can achieve with the extra power and extra traction.

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Post by Kiskaloo on Tue 13 Mar 2012 - 19:15

Since Velocity doesn't usually start their WRC coverage until the season is almost over and ESPNHD UK broadcasts them same day (or near enough),I decided to marathon the first three WRC events today (Monte Carlo, Sweden and Mexico).

Still not used to the driver swaps and it looks like they invert the field now at the start of each day so the slowest cars can do road sweeping, saving the leaders from having to "throw" the last stage of the previous day to drop down the leader board so they wouldn't have to road sweep.


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Post by Alfisti on Thu 15 Mar 2012 - 6:40

Speaking of Le Mans... and since we were talking about Batmobiles in another thread; I take it all the gearheads have by now seen Nissan's 2012 entry?



...ok, so not technically "entry" as it doesn't meet all the rules and regs, but they'll be running it anyway apparently just to see what happens.

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Post by Professor Voodoo on Thu 15 Mar 2012 - 9:41

@Kiskaloo wrote:Since Velocity doesn't usually start their WRC coverage until the season is almost over and ESPNHD UK broadcasts them same day (or near enough),I decided to marathon the first three WRC events today (Monte Carlo, Sweden and Mexico).
So have you seen the rounds yet? Is it safe to discuss them without hiding spoilers?
Still not used to the driver swaps and it looks like they invert the field now at the start of each day so the slowest cars can do road sweeping, saving the leaders from having to "throw" the last stage of the previous day to drop down the leader board so they wouldn't have to road sweep.
I think that's a good idea. Not only does it remove an unfair disadvantage from the leader, it's better for the fans at the actual event.
@Alfisti wrote:Speaking of Le Mans... and since we were talking about Batmobiles in another thread; I take it all the gearheads have by now seen Nissan's 2012 entry?
The Bowlby "Delta Wing" was originally offered as a new spec chassis for the American IndyCar series (eventually the contract went to the Dallara DW12 chassis).

The team selected to run the car know how to get the job done; it's Highcroft Racing, who has won the American Le Mans Series championship twice.
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Post by Kiskaloo on Thu 15 Mar 2012 - 11:44

@Professor Voodoo wrote:
@Kiskaloo wrote:Since Velocity doesn't usually start their WRC coverage until the season is almost over and ESPNHD UK broadcasts them same day (or near enough),I decided to marathon the first three WRC events today (Monte Carlo, Sweden and Mexico).

So have you seen the rounds yet? Is it safe to discuss them without hiding spoilers?

Yup. I should now hopefully see each round the day after it ends (assuming the one YouTube site I found that hosts them keeps up).

@Alfisti wrote:Speaking of Le Mans... and since we were talking about Batmobiles in another thread; I take it all the gearheads have by now seen Nissan's 2012 entry?

The Bowlby "Delta Wing" was originally offered as a new spec chassis for the American IndyCar series (eventually the contract went to the Dallara DW12 chassis).[/quote]

My first thought was that Nissan was coming back to IndyCar. Smile

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Post by MP5 on Sun 18 Mar 2012 - 21:08

2012 Australian Formula One GP Results

Allison: McLaren is starting strong this year, as is my petrol fund.

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Post by ElfenMagix on Sun 18 Mar 2012 - 22:31

@Professor Voodoo wrote:.
@Alfisti wrote:Speaking of Le Mans... and since we were talking about Batmobiles in another thread; I take it all the gearheads have by now seen Nissan's 2012 entry?
The Bowlby "Delta Wing" was originally offered as a new spec chassis for the American IndyCar series (eventually the contract went to the Dallara DW12 chassis).

The team selected to run the car know how to get the job done; it's Highcroft Racing, who has won the American Le Mans Series championship twice.
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The racers who test drove the 2012 Dallara Indy car all swore by it, including Dan Wheldon (RIP). As for calling it and the others of this class "the batmobile", I would not know. There is some resemblance to the movie car but that is where it ends.

From: http://trickshift.com/2012-indy-car-concept-design-from-dallara/

More info:
http://www.indycar.com/tech/content/34186-indycar-2012/
http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/article/video-2012-dallara-testing-at-indy/

and to quote Wheldon:
http://www.indianapolismotorspeedway.com/indy500/news/show/50808-smooth-sailing-for-wheldon-with-2012-car-at-ims-oval-test/

“It’s lighter, safer, faster, and we’ve worked to validate the mechanical reliability of the car and making sure the way Dallara has designed and engineered the car to perform that the wind tunnel numbers are matching up on track.”
Currently speeds at Indy being around 230 for qualifying and 215 for racing, its going to be interesting if these new cars can go beyond that. Any 2011 and prior cars will not be able to keep up as used cars tend to make up most of the field. I'm expecting speeds to approach 250.

The nice safety features I like is the new redesigned rear. In blocking off the rear tires, rear-end collisions wil no longer become airbourne by the rear tire's rotation lifting the car into the air. This has plagued Indy for many years since open tires were allowed.

What does scare me is the slight resemblance to the Ford - Mikey Thompsons of the of the 1964 Indy 500. That car was so unstable that it crashed, killing two drivers and reset the safety and design laws for all Indy cars since.

http://www.indymotorspeedway.com/500d-64.htm

It also looks like a cross between Art Pollard's '69 red STP Turbo and Swede Savage's '73 STP Red Eagle-Offy.

Art Pollard:


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Both were to crash and be killed in the '73 Indy race:
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Post by Professor Voodoo on Sun 18 Mar 2012 - 22:40

@MP5 wrote:2012 Australian Formula One GP Results
Allison: Mari, are you alright? You're sweating bullets.

Marisa: That was too close. Maldonado was headed for a 5th place before he put it in the wall on the last lap. Elio's Williams team would have beaten my Toro Rosso's!

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Post by Alfisti on Sun 25 Mar 2012 - 6:55

Malaysian GP, just... wow.

Spoiler:
Seriously...

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Post by Professor Voodoo on Sun 25 Mar 2012 - 7:21

@Alfisti wrote:Malaysian GP, just... wow.
Yeah...that's about the only way to describe it. Wow.
Spoiler:


It was great seeing Perez turn around on the podium to see the Mexican flag being raised...first time since Pedro Rodriguez in 1971. If not for that one mistake he might have been standing on the top step.

If Lotus-Renault can turn their luck around they'll be a definite threat. Grosjean qualifies well but gets duffed up by other cars and can't reach 1/3 distance. Raikkonen starts from the back but then races brilliantly.

And Force India is the only team to put both cars in the points.

Allison: I'm starting to feel bad for Elio. Maldonado was in the points and went out at the very end...again.

Marisa: Don't feel too bad for him. Senna still beat Vergne...he gets to choose the lunch spot on our next outing. *blech*

And finally...

Kara: (on her knees wearing a sports bra, twirling her red Ferrari polo shirt over her head) WOOOOO-HOOOOOO!!!

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Post by Kiskaloo on Sun 25 Mar 2012 - 12:40

Spoiler:

The one hour Red Flag meant my Tivo recording ended with 20 laps to go so I'll record the rebroadcast and finish the race later this week or just catch it on Formula One Debrief / torrent Sky's feed, but Kara will be a happy kitty.

And Perez did a good job of making his case to replace Massa at the Scuderia.


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Post by Marder on Sun 25 Mar 2012 - 20:11

And Red Bull still lacks grip, thus proving Adeline's suspicions that Sebastian Vettel is overrated.

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Post by Kiskaloo on Mon 26 Mar 2012 - 2:01

Those new IndyCars look hella weird.

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Post by Professor Voodoo on Tue 27 Mar 2012 - 0:05

@Marder wrote:And Red Bull still lacks grip, thus proving Adeline's suspicions that Sebastian Vettel is overrated.
I don't quite understand. Is it that Vettel is overrated as a development driver, and should have been able to tell the engineers what he needed to generate more grip?
They don't allow the teams to do much off-season testing anymore so it's kind of out of his hands.

Adeline: Onto the MotoGP season. (opens a beer) I'm hoping Jorge Lorenzo and Ben Spies wipe that smug grin off of Casey Stoner and Honda's face.
Stoner has been fastest in all 3 pre-season tests...your factory Yamaha's are not far behind and still doing much better than Rossi & Hayden on the Ducati's. Still two long weeks until that season opens at Qatar (April 8th).

The production based World Superbike Championship already has one round (2 races at each round) in the books and if Marisa didn't already have a Max Biaggi T-shirt she does now. At Phillip Island, Australia, the Roman riding an Aprilia won race 1 but in race 2 he got duffed up in the scary-fast first turn and was forced off track, dropping him to last place. He stormed through the entire pack and reached second place...putting everyone on notice that he's dead serious about regaining the crown he won in 2010.

the Indy Car series started today. And Helio Castroneves won. Impressive! Rubens didn't runs o bad either.
@Kiskaloo wrote:Those new IndyCars look hella weird.
Weird, yes...but significantly faster than the old Dallara chassis. It's nice to see a return to different engine manufacturers this year, although it makes me miss the days when we had 2 or 3 chassis builders going at it as well.

We'll have to wait for Elfen's (and by extension Rachel & Fernando's) opinion...he's the site's resident IndyCar buff.

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Post by Kiskaloo on Wed 4 Apr 2012 - 14:29

WRC Vodafone Rally de Portugal

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Day One determined the rally's impact on the Championship as Loeb crashed out of the rally on the first night stage and Jari-Matti Latvala and Petter Solberg both suffered accidents in later stages that required them to complete the event under Rally Tour rules. Weather conditions became so bad that they had to cancel the final three stages. Mikko Hirvonen drove without mistakes and held a 36 second lead at the end.

On Day Two, the torrential rains of Friday held off but there was still severe flooding in stages, requiring the cars to effectively ford large ponds in places. Running late on dry roads, Hirvonen had an easy ride and ended the day over a minute ahead.

Day Three was dry at first, but the afternoon stages were wet in places due to bands of clouds laying down serious rain in places. Nonetheless, Hirvonen made it look easy for his first win of 2012 by almost two minutes over Mads Ostberg and three and a half minutes north of Evgeny Novikov.

Current Standings After Four Events

Mikko Hirvonen - 75 points
Sebastien Loeb - 66 points
Petter Solberg - 59 points
Mads Ostberg - 46 points
Evgeny Novikov - 36 points
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Dani Sordo - 21 points
Nasser Al Attoyah - 18 points
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Post by Professor Voodoo on Wed 4 Apr 2012 - 16:32

@Kiskaloo wrote:WRC Vodafone Rally de Portugal
Actually, there's been a change to those results.
Spoiler:
Post race inspection found irregularities on Hirvonen's Citroen. He was disqualified as a result.

First off, elements of the clutch did not have holes where the homologated part did. The crew argued that these were lightening holes and if anything the lack of them was a performance disadvantage.

More importantly, the turbo inlet was found to be too large. This time the team argued that it was distortion due to heat expansion.

Citroen initially said they would appeal the disqualification but has since reversed tack and stated that they will not appeal. The victory passes to Mads Ostberg & Jonas Andersson in a privateer Ford. Ostberg was very diplomatic in his comments;
“Of course, we are very happy with the win, but it is not the way we wanted to take it and I am very disappointed for Mikko as he did a fantastic job all weekend," he admitted magnanimously, "But we had a really good rally ourselves and we will definitely be celebrating our 'second' place."


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Post by Kiskaloo on Fri 13 Apr 2012 - 12:39

Mercedes-powered cars again look strong in practice for the Chinese Grand Prix. And now that the Mercedes team's F-duct has been ruled officially legal, I expect by Spain everyone will have it. Smile

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Post by Professor Voodoo on Sat 14 Apr 2012 - 9:56

Grand Prix of China Qualifying;
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Triela: WHHAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!

Rico: What's wrong with Triela?

Kara: Sebastian Vettel got knocked out of qualifying in round two.

Triela: How can this happen? He got 15 poles last year!

Allison: I missed it...who did get pole?

1. Nico Rosberg Germany Mercedes-Mercedes 1m 35.121s
2. Lewis Hamilton Britain McLaren-Mercedes 1m 35.626s*
3. Michael Schumacher Germany Mercedes-Mercedes 1m 35.691s
4. Kamui Kobayashi Japan Sauber-Ferrari 1m 35.784s
5. Kimi Raikkonen Finland Lotus-Renault 1m 35.898s
6. Jenson Button Britain McLaren-Mercedes 1m 36.191s
7. Mark Webber Australia Red Bull-Renault 1m 36.290s
8. Sergio Perez Mexico Sauber-Ferrari 1m 36.524s
9. Fernando Alonso Spain Ferrari-Ferrari 1m 36.622s
10. Romain Grosjean France Lotus-Renault no time Q3

11. Sebastian Vettel Germany Red Bull-Renault 1m 36.031s
12. Felipe Massa Brazil Ferrari-Ferrari 1m 36.255s
13. Pastor Maldonado Venezuela Williams-Renault 1m 36.283s
14. Bruno Senna Brazil Williams-Renault 1m 36.289s
15. Paul di Resta Britain Force India-Mercedes 1m 36.317s
16. Nico Hulkenberg Germany Force India-Mercedes 1m 36.745s
17. Daniel Ricciardo Australia Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1m 36.956s

18. Jean-Eric Vergne France Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1m 37.714s
19. Heikki Kovalainen Finland Caterham-Renault 1m 38.463s
20. Vitaly Petrov Russia Caterham-Renault 1m 38.677s
21. Timo Glock Germany Marussia -Cosworth 1m 39.282s
22. Charles Pic France Marussia -Cosworth 1m 39.717s
23. Pedro de la Rosa Spain HRT-Cosworth 1m 40.411s
24. Narain Karthikeyan India HRT-Cosworth 1m 41.000s

Allison: Well, at least Lewis is second.

Marisa: Not so fast...Hamilton took a 5-spot penalty for changing the gearbox.

Allison: Whhhaaatt!? Damn! I go out on one lousy mission and I miss everything. That means Rosberg & Schumacher on the front row. Who's got money on Mercedes?

Rachel: Ooh! I'll take them!

Kara: You can't just jump in now!

Marisa: Check out the next row...Kobayashi & Raikonnen. This is going to be a cool first lap!
In other news, Jari-Matti Latvala has broken his collarbone (while cross-country skiing) and will sit out the Rally of Argentina. Ford M-Sport has not named a replacement but after his win in the last round Mads Ostberg is a strong possibility.

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Post by Kiskaloo on Sun 15 Apr 2012 - 11:47

I'll let The Professor handle the post-race commentary, but that was a pretty amazing race.

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Post by Alfisti on Mon 16 Apr 2012 - 5:58

@Kiskaloo wrote:I'll let The Professor handle the post-race commentary, but that was a pretty amazing race.
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Post by Kiskaloo on Mon 16 Apr 2012 - 10:31

@Alfisti wrote:
@Kiskaloo wrote:I'll let The Professor handle the post-race commentary, but that was a pretty amazing race.

Ditto, but I will leave this here:

Yeah, he was probably having flashbacks to Le Mans 99. Evil

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Post by Professor Voodoo on Sat 21 Apr 2012 - 12:42

Bahrain GP Qualifying;
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Triela: WooooHooooo! Back on top again, baby! I knew you wouldn't disappoint me, Sebastian!

Marisa: And Ricciardo is in 6th!

1. Sebastian Vettel Germany Red Bull-Renault 1m 32.422s
2. Lewis Hamilton Britain McLaren-Mercedes 1m 32.626s
3. Mark Webber Australia Red Bull-Renault 1m 32.637s
4. Jenson Button Britain McLaren-Mercedes 1m 32.711s
5. Nico Rosberg Germany Mercedes-Mercedes 1m 32.821s
6. Daniel Ricciardo Australia Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1m 32.912s
7. Romain Grosjean France Lotus-Renault 1m 33.008s
8. Sergio Perez Mexico Sauber-Ferrari 1m 33.394s
9. Fernando Alonso Spain Ferrari-Ferrari no time Q3
10. Paul di Resta Britain Force India-Mercedes no time Q3

11. Kimi Raikkonen Finland Lotus-Renault 1m 33.789s
12. Kamui Kobayashi Japan Sauber-Ferrari 1m 33.806s
13. Nico Hulkenberg Germany Force India-Mercedes 1m 33.807s
14. Felipe Massa Brazil Ferrari-Ferrari 1m 33.912s
15. Bruno Senna Brazil Williams-Renault 1m 34.017s
16. Heikki Kovalainen Finland Caterham-Renault 1m 36.132s
17. Pastor Maldonado Venezuela Williams-Renault no time Q2*

18. Michael Schumacher Germany Mercedes-Mercedes 1m 34.865s
19. Jean-Eric Vergne France Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1m 35.014s
20. Vitaly Petrov Russia Caterham-Renault 1m 35.823s
21. Charles Pic France Marussia -Cosworth 1m 37.683s
22. Pedro de la Rosa Spain HRT-Cosworth 1m 37.883s
23. Timo Glock Germany Marussia -Cosworth 1m 37.905s
24. Narain Karthikeyan India HRT-Cosworth 1m 38.314s

Elio: What are all those cans laying around?

Kara: Triela & Mari drank a whole case of Red Bull to celebrate.

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Post by Kiskaloo on Sun 22 Apr 2012 - 12:25

Grand Prix of Bahrain

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Normal Service has been restored with Vettel winning his first race of 2012 and taking the Championship lead thanks to Hamilton finishing 8th, but he had both Lotii on his tail much of the time. McLaren stumbled badly - two poor pit stops due to a likely bum left rear stub axle ensured Hamilton was never a threat and Button suffered a puncture with a handful of laps to go, then broke his exhaust on the out-lap and had to retire with one lap to go.

Renault-powered cars took the top 4 spots - Vettel, Raikkonen, Grosjean and Webber. Nico Rosberg was 5th and Di Resta 6th. Both Ferraris were in the points - Alonso 7th and Massa 9th - and Schumacher rounds out the Top 10.

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Post by Kiskaloo on Sun 22 Apr 2012 - 23:29

In other F1 news, it appears the French Grand Prix will be returning the calendar, held at the Circuit Paul Ricard as of next year. The French Grand Prix will alternate years with the Belgian Grand Prix at Spa-Francorchamps.

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Post by Kiskaloo on Sun 29 Apr 2012 - 18:35

Philips Rally Argentina - Days 1 and 2

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First off - damn that that spectator BBQing looked good!

A lurid first day for Loeb with three spins in the first two stages. Petter Solberg was atop the leaderboard until he went off on Stage 4, broke his steering and became a moving chicane for the cars behind until finally forced to stop and fix it, dropping him to 11th. This allowed Loeb to move into the lead by 0.1 seconds over Mikko Hirvonen. Dani Sordo had a strong day, though the team's decision to run hard tires on the later stages left him over 30 seconds back. A good bit of attrition on day one: Evgeny Novikov tore out his right rear suspension, ending his rally and Thierry Neuville rolled his Citroën DS3 WRC in the final stage.

Day Two started with a damp course, but no rain. The 40km of Stage 9 - Intiyaco -was pure awesome: a mix of high desert, forest and even farmland with an insane straightaway that just seems to go on forever. Alas, Nasser Al Attiyah tore his right corner off in Stage 9 and called it a rally.

At the end of Stage 13 - and the day - Loeb remained on top, now by 7 seconds over Hirvonen with Sordo 1:45 behind in 3rd.

Have the WRC relaxed spectator rules this season? While not as insane as the 1980s, I've noticed the spectators are now right on the edge of the road where before they were well back.


Sao Paulo Indy 300

Spoiler:

And it was the man from Down Under winning down under as Aussie Will Power took his third consecutive win. And the Chevrolet engine seems to be the one to have as it has powered all four race winners to date.


The Grand Am race at Miami-Homestead was literally washed-out and called at two-thirds distance. When they did let them run, it was pretty impressive watching them try and maintain traction.

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Post by Professor Voodoo on Sun 29 Apr 2012 - 18:54

@Kiskaloo wrote:Philips Rally Argentina - Days 1 and 2

Spoiler:

First off - damn that that spectator BBQing looked good!

A lurid first day for Loeb with three spins in the first two stages. Petter Solberg was atop the leaderboard until he went off on Stage 4, broke his steering and became a moving chicane for the cars behind until finally forced to stop and fix it, dropping him to 11th. This allowed Loeb to move into the lead by 0.1 seconds over Mikko Hirvonen. Dani Sordo had a strong day, though the team's decision to run hard tires on the later stages left him over 30 seconds back. A good bit of attrition on day one: Evgeny Novikov tore out his right rear suspension, ending his rally and Thierry Neuville rolled his Citroën DS3 WRC in the final stage.

Day Two started with a damp course, but no rain. The 40km of Stage 9 - Intiyaco -was pure awesome: a mix of high desert, forest and even farmland with an insane straightaway that just seems to go on forever. Alas, Nasser Al Attiyah tore his right corner off in Stage 9 and called it a rally.

At the end of Stage 13 - and the day - Loeb remained on top, now by 7 seconds over Hirvonen with Sordo 1:45 behind in 3rd.
I appreciate the spoiler tag... SPEED channel finally has WRC coverage so I'll see it later tonight (11pm Eastern).
The Grand Am race at Miami-Homestead was literally washed-out and called at two-thirds distance. When they did let them run, it was pretty impressive watching them try and maintain traction.
That was a hell of a show. I've been to races like that...it's an ordeal.

1998 World Superbike Championship round at Nurburgring (new circuit) was like that. Pouring rain all day. At least Nurburgring has concrete grandstand seats so we didn't have to sit on muddy hillsides.
Between the two headline races (WSBK races twice at each event) there was an undercard race featuring amateurs on identical Yamaha 600's. About then the rain just became torrential. The 'ring is on top of a big hill so it gets hammered by the weather. This was a friggin' monsoon.
Us spectators huddled inside the bathroom buildings...sure they couldn't start the race in these conditions. We were wrong; outside we could hear the sound of engines...motorcycles making their sighting lap. Everyone sheltering in the pissort was amazed, but we felt the same way: These may be no-name amateurs but if they have the guts to race in conditions like this they deserve to have a crowd in the stands. Everybody shuffled out into the storm to watch the amateurs race.
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Post by Kiskaloo on Mon 30 Apr 2012 - 1:35

Just finished watching SPEED's broadcast. While it's great that SPEED is carrying the events same weekend, it's too bad they're only showing the one-hour Inside WRC Magazine event highlight.

When Discovery HD Theater / Velocity had it, each Day had their own 30 minute show, plus a 30 minute Event Preview and the entire Power Stage coverage. So the total was three hours (plus the one hour event highlight).

The MotorsTV UK coverage does have all three days as separate 30 minute shows and a preview episode, but I don't like the MTUK commentators, it's SD and the broadcasts are posted to YouTube usually the next day, so I'll already know who won watching the SPEED coverage Sunday night. sweat

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Post by Professor Voodoo on Mon 30 Apr 2012 - 2:33

@Kiskaloo wrote:Just finished watching SPEED's broadcast. While it's great that SPEED is carrying the events same weekend, it's too bad they're only showing the one-hour Inside WRC Magazine event highlight.
Well, we take what we can get I suppose. I'd already watched the two MotoGP races and the Grand-Am regatta so I'm not sure I was up to another three hours of watching the tube.


I will say one thing; those camera shots really make me want to visit Argentina.

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Post by Kiskaloo on Mon 30 Apr 2012 - 9:44

I think Kara would brave even spiders to drive Intiyaco.

Kara: "We can do it like Ferrari did the FF press event. Just load up the car in a CH-47, have it land at the start to unload and then be waiting at the end to drive back into."

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Post by Professor Voodoo on Wed 2 May 2012 - 17:52

With Felipe Massa's blood in the water at Maranello the rumor mill is going into overdrive as to who will take his seat. The latest wild theory is that Ferrari will poach Mark Webber from Red Bull for 2013...using him as a place-holder until they deem Sergio Perez ready.

Webber himself has denied any such speculation.

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Post by Kiskaloo on Wed 2 May 2012 - 19:06

Probably only at Monaco and only as a cover while she robs another casino.

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Post by Alfisti on Thu 3 May 2012 - 18:16

@Professor Voodoo wrote:If there is an Australian in the Ferrari does this mean Alfisti will have Monty hanging out with Kara more?
Sadly, unlike her writer, Monty holds no loyalty to Australia or the citizenry thereof... and even if she did I doubt it would be enough to convince her to spend additional time with Kara.

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Post by Kiskaloo on Mon 7 May 2012 - 11:53

Well they waited until the next to the last restart with 4 laps to go for "The Big One" at Talladega, though since they were all accelerating from the Green Flag and at around 100mph, the carnage was not as bad as when they're doing 200mph.

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Re: 2012 World Motorsports Discussion Thread

Post by Professor Voodoo on Mon 7 May 2012 - 18:37

@Kiskaloo wrote:Well they waited until the next to the last restart with 4 laps to go for "The Big One" at Talladega, though since they were all accelerating from the Green Flag and at around 100mph, the carnage was not as bad as when they're doing 200mph.

And it looks like Eric McClure is recovering well from his massive head-on crash in the Nationwide Series race at Talladega on Saturday.
I for one vote that NASCAR just toss these stupid "green-white-checker" finishes. When the race is over it's over. I really shouldn't care since I rarely watch NASCAR anymore but I still do not want to see a driver injured or killed in one of these fuckwit crash generators.

Back to Europe...
Amelia is quietly working on a jigsaw puzzle when her room-mate Marisa trudges in, soaking wet.

Amelia: Welcome back. Did you enjoy the World Superbike races in Monza?

Marisa: (lays a towel down, begins stripping off wet clothes) Ugh...Elio & I got soaked in the grandstands...they cancelled race #1 because of the rain...

The senior riders take a lap in the safety cars to access conditions. Conditions were bad.


Amelia: Is it not standard procedure that motorcycles race in the rain?

Marisa: Usually, but Monza is a really fast track without much run-off area so it was just too risky. Anyway, they cancelled race #1 for the Superbikes...they ran the two 600cc races but cancelled the KTM Junior Cup...then ran only 8 laps of the second Superbike race before that was halted for rain too.

Amelia: It is unfortunate that you were not able to witness the full schedule of races.

Marisa: Yeah, and then Elio & I had a 6 hour ride back home...in the rain the whole way. My fault; I asked him if we could take his Ducati instead of the car. At least I could hide behind him from the wind & rain...poor Elio had to take the brunt of it head on.

Amelia: Perhaps the next weekend you and your handler have off will present more favorable weather conditions.

Marisa: (putting on her robe) I hope so. I gotta go hang this wet stuff down in the laundry room...see ya later.

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Re: 2012 World Motorsports Discussion Thread

Post by Officer_Charon on Mon 7 May 2012 - 18:57

Elsewhere...

Elio: *staggering in, dropping his saturated riding leathers beside the door in a rapidly-expanding puddle* "'Lo."

Lorenzo: *hands over a snifter of brandy* "Bath's already drawn up. Told you that you were crazy."

Elio: *sneezes violently, downs the brandy, and shuffles off towards the bathroom* "I used to tell grown men of a violent variety to go to hell... why can't I do the same to an 11 year old?"

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Re: 2012 World Motorsports Discussion Thread

Post by MP5 on Mon 7 May 2012 - 22:36

@Kiskaloo wrote:Well they waited until the next to the last restart with 4 laps to go for "The Big One" at Talladega, though since they were all accelerating from the Green Flag and at around 100mph, the carnage was not as bad as when they're doing 200mph.

And it looks like Eric McClure is recovering well from his massive head-on crash in the Nationwide Series race at Talladega on Saturday. Good

Apparently, Ricky Bobby was there, too.

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Re: 2012 World Motorsports Discussion Thread

Post by Officer_Charon on Mon 7 May 2012 - 23:06

@MP5 wrote:
Apparently, Ricky Bobby was there, too.

Quick bit of trivia: that's my AKA here at the precinct. *headwheel*

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Re: 2012 World Motorsports Discussion Thread

Post by Kiskaloo on Sat 12 May 2012 - 11:38

My first in-person Grand Prix of the year and I picked it well.

Grand Prix of Spain Qualifying

Spoiler:

Lewis Hamilton took the pole, but he had to fight to do it as first Alonso and than Maldonado (!) secured it on their final flying laps.

The weather has been gorgeous, though we had high winds for Qualifying and that brought in some cloud cover at the end of Q2 that lowered the track temp one degree - and dropped times by one second - which caught out Button and Webber, who ended up 11th and 12th, respectively. Renault again look really strong, with Grosjean 4th and Rikkonen 5th.

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Re: 2012 World Motorsports Discussion Thread

Post by Professor Voodoo on Sun 13 May 2012 - 3:21

@Kiskaloo wrote:My first in-person Grand Prix of the year and I picked it well.
Where do you get your information while you're at the track? I love attending these things but admit I'm always better informed (on things like a 1 degree drop in track temp) while watching on TV.

Even on television you could hear the crowd erupting during Alonso's Q3 lap.

*EDIT*
Hamilton has lost the pole!
crash.net wrote:Lewis Hamilton has been stripped of pole position and will have to start from the back of the grid for Sunday's Spanish Grand Prix, after being found to have been too light on fuel at the end of today's qualifying session.

Williams F1 driver Pastor Maldonado will now start from pole position for tomorrow's race at the Circuit de Catalunya, with local hero Fernando Alonso starting alongside him in the Ferrari. Romain Grosjean and Kimi Raikkonen will make it an all-Lotus second row in Barcelona.



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