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Post by Kiskaloo on Wed 2 May 2012 - 19:06

Probably only at Monaco and only as a cover while she robs another casino.

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Post by Alfisti on Thu 3 May 2012 - 18:16

@Professor Voodoo wrote:If there is an Australian in the Ferrari does this mean Alfisti will have Monty hanging out with Kara more?
Sadly, unlike her writer, Monty holds no loyalty to Australia or the citizenry thereof... and even if she did I doubt it would be enough to convince her to spend additional time with Kara.

...at least to do so of her own volition.

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Post by Kiskaloo on Mon 7 May 2012 - 11:53

Well they waited until the next to the last restart with 4 laps to go for "The Big One" at Talladega, though since they were all accelerating from the Green Flag and at around 100mph, the carnage was not as bad as when they're doing 200mph.

And it looks like Eric McClure is recovering well from his massive head-on crash in the Nationwide Series race at Talladega on Saturday. Good

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Post by Professor Voodoo on Mon 7 May 2012 - 18:37

@Kiskaloo wrote:Well they waited until the next to the last restart with 4 laps to go for "The Big One" at Talladega, though since they were all accelerating from the Green Flag and at around 100mph, the carnage was not as bad as when they're doing 200mph.

And it looks like Eric McClure is recovering well from his massive head-on crash in the Nationwide Series race at Talladega on Saturday.
I for one vote that NASCAR just toss these stupid "green-white-checker" finishes. When the race is over it's over. I really shouldn't care since I rarely watch NASCAR anymore but I still do not want to see a driver injured or killed in one of these fuckwit crash generators.

Back to Europe...
Amelia is quietly working on a jigsaw puzzle when her room-mate Marisa trudges in, soaking wet.

Amelia: Welcome back. Did you enjoy the World Superbike races in Monza?

Marisa: (lays a towel down, begins stripping off wet clothes) Ugh...Elio & I got soaked in the grandstands...they cancelled race #1 because of the rain...

The senior riders take a lap in the safety cars to access conditions. Conditions were bad.


Amelia: Is it not standard procedure that motorcycles race in the rain?

Marisa: Usually, but Monza is a really fast track without much run-off area so it was just too risky. Anyway, they cancelled race #1 for the Superbikes...they ran the two 600cc races but cancelled the KTM Junior Cup...then ran only 8 laps of the second Superbike race before that was halted for rain too.

Amelia: It is unfortunate that you were not able to witness the full schedule of races.

Marisa: Yeah, and then Elio & I had a 6 hour ride back home...in the rain the whole way. My fault; I asked him if we could take his Ducati instead of the car. At least I could hide behind him from the wind & rain...poor Elio had to take the brunt of it head on.

Amelia: Perhaps the next weekend you and your handler have off will present more favorable weather conditions.

Marisa: (putting on her robe) I hope so. I gotta go hang this wet stuff down in the laundry room...see ya later.

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Post by Officer_Charon on Mon 7 May 2012 - 18:57

Elsewhere...

Elio: *staggering in, dropping his saturated riding leathers beside the door in a rapidly-expanding puddle* "'Lo."

Lorenzo: *hands over a snifter of brandy* "Bath's already drawn up. Told you that you were crazy."

Elio: *sneezes violently, downs the brandy, and shuffles off towards the bathroom* "I used to tell grown men of a violent variety to go to hell... why can't I do the same to an 11 year old?"

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Post by MP5 on Mon 7 May 2012 - 22:36

@Kiskaloo wrote:Well they waited until the next to the last restart with 4 laps to go for "The Big One" at Talladega, though since they were all accelerating from the Green Flag and at around 100mph, the carnage was not as bad as when they're doing 200mph.

And it looks like Eric McClure is recovering well from his massive head-on crash in the Nationwide Series race at Talladega on Saturday. Good

Apparently, Ricky Bobby was there, too.

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Post by Officer_Charon on Mon 7 May 2012 - 23:06

@MP5 wrote:
Apparently, Ricky Bobby was there, too.

Quick bit of trivia: that's my AKA here at the precinct. *headwheel*

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Post by Kiskaloo on Sat 12 May 2012 - 11:38

My first in-person Grand Prix of the year and I picked it well.

Grand Prix of Spain Qualifying

Spoiler:

Lewis Hamilton took the pole, but he had to fight to do it as first Alonso and than Maldonado (!) secured it on their final flying laps.

The weather has been gorgeous, though we had high winds for Qualifying and that brought in some cloud cover at the end of Q2 that lowered the track temp one degree - and dropped times by one second - which caught out Button and Webber, who ended up 11th and 12th, respectively. Renault again look really strong, with Grosjean 4th and Rikkonen 5th.

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Post by Professor Voodoo on Sun 13 May 2012 - 3:21

@Kiskaloo wrote:My first in-person Grand Prix of the year and I picked it well.
Where do you get your information while you're at the track? I love attending these things but admit I'm always better informed (on things like a 1 degree drop in track temp) while watching on TV.

Even on television you could hear the crowd erupting during Alonso's Q3 lap.

*EDIT*
Hamilton has lost the pole!
crash.net wrote:Lewis Hamilton has been stripped of pole position and will have to start from the back of the grid for Sunday's Spanish Grand Prix, after being found to have been too light on fuel at the end of today's qualifying session.

Williams F1 driver Pastor Maldonado will now start from pole position for tomorrow's race at the Circuit de Catalunya, with local hero Fernando Alonso starting alongside him in the Ferrari. Romain Grosjean and Kimi Raikkonen will make it an all-Lotus second row in Barcelona.



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Post by Kiskaloo on Sun 13 May 2012 - 12:01

An absolutely amazing race.

2012 Spanish Grand Prix Results

Spoiler:

Pastor Maldonado has firmly squashed the stigma of being a "pay driver" with a solid win - the first for Williams since the 2004 Brazilian Grand Prix. He and Alonso traded the lead, but in the final set of pit stops, Maldonado conserved his tires and gradually pulled away from Alonso over the last 15 laps to win by over two seconds. On fresh rubber, Kimi Raikkonen drove like a rocket, closing from over 20 seconds to within a half second of Alonso at the finish line. Team mate Romain Grosjean was fourth, showing that Lotus is for real.

Hamilton did a brilliant job of saving his tires (which is amazing for Hamilton) to rise from 24th to 5th at one point, before finishing 8th. Button was mostly nowhere and, IMO, was lucky to finish 9th. Webber was also nowhere all race and Vettel had a drive-through, but drove a solid closing stint to haul himself up to 6th. Both stopped for new front wings for some reason.

Only major incident was Schumacher smashing into the back of Senna in Turn 1, but it looked from the replays that Senna jinked in front of him.


1 Pastor Maldonado
2 Fernando Alonso
3 Kimi Räikkönen
4 Romain Grosjean
5 Kamui Kobayashi
6 Sebastian Vettel
7 Nico Rosberg
8 Lewis Hamilton
9 Jenson Button
10 Nico Hülkenberg
11 Mark Webber
12 Jean-Éric Vergne
13 Daniel Ricciardo
14 Paul di Resta
15 Felipe Massa
16 Heikki Kovalainen
17 Vitaly Petrov
18 Timo Glock
19 Pedro de la Rosa
Ret Sergio Pérez
Ret Charles Pic
Ret Narain Karthikeyan
Ret Bruno Senna
Ret Michael Schumacher


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@Kiskaloo wrote:My first in-person Grand Prix of the year and I picked it well.
Where do you get your information while you're at the track? I love attending these things but admit I'm always better informed (on things like a 1 degree drop in track temp) while watching on TV.

It's a good bit easier nowadays with my iPhone - between the Internet and iOS apps I can get a good bit of real-time data. I also can see the world feed on the TV screens, which helps keep me informed of what's going on with the rest of the track.

I will be downloading the BBC or SPEED coverage to watch on the flight home.

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Post by Professor Voodoo on Mon 14 May 2012 - 1:57

@Kiskaloo wrote:An absolutely amazing race.

2012 Spanish Grand Prix Results
Bianchi: (shining a pen-light in Marisa's eyes) Subject unresponsive...totally catatonic. I have no idea what could have blown her circuit breakers like this.

Kara: She's got a running bet with her handler. They each have a favorite Formula One teaam and whichever team does best on a given weekend, the winner gets to choose the place they go to lunch on Monday. Unfortunately, Mari's Toro Rosso team lost big-time this weekend.
@Kiskaloo wrote:It's a good bit easier nowadays with my iPhone - between the Internet and iOS apps I can get a good bit of real-time data. I also can see the world feed on the TV screens, which helps keep me informed of what's going on with the rest of the track.
Your phone works in Europe? What sort of data plan to you need to get that?

As for the race; terrific. Maldonado & Williams did not win that by luck...they earned it. It remains to be seen if they can repeat such a weekend this season. Another great race by Alonso has to make him a favorite for the title this year. Fernando always starts slow and puts on a hard charge at the end of the year, so if he continues to finish strong like this weekend he'll pull away when his late-season charge kicks in.

McLaren & Red Bull seriously need to pull their heads out of their asses...Lotus stands a good chance of knocking one or both down the pecking order. Mercedes showed a flash of brilliance in China but hasn't delivered in the last two rounds.

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Post by Kiskaloo on Mon 14 May 2012 - 10:42

@Professor Voodoo wrote:Your phone works in Europe? What sort of data plan to you need to get that?

My iPhone is on AT&T, which is GSM, which is the cellular standard for Europe, so it works around the world. Mind you, with AT&T charging exorbitant fees, I generally use WiFi (either publicly available or a local's phone as a mobile hot-spot).

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Post by Kiskaloo on Wed 23 May 2012 - 11:57

Last weekend was the 2012 edition of the 24 Hours Nürburgring.

Spoiler:
They introduced a new qualifying format this year, with the Top 40 duking it out for the top starting positions. Lap times were the fastest ever - Pole was 8:13 and you have to consider that the lap now includes part of the Grand Prix circuit for a total of 25.3km / 15.7 miles. A BMW Z4 GT3 almost got under 8:27 in the race. Guh?

Audi took 1-2 with their new R8 LMS ultra, but third place was nuts - the Manthey Porsche 911 GT3 R slowed on the main straight just before the finish line as they did not have sufficient fuel to complete another lap and wanted to be the first car to cross the line at the end of 24 hours (evidently the race stops when the first car crosses after 24 hours, not when the lead car does) to secure the spot from the charging Heico SLS in 4th. Unfortunately, they still crossed the line before the checkered flag and were promptly rear-ended by a Renault Clio:



As they didn't come to a complete stop, they were not disqualified, but instead ended up 12th.

Some nice video from one of the race attendees:




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Post by Professor Voodoo on Sat 26 May 2012 - 2:37

@Kiskaloo wrote:Last weekend was the 2012 edition of the 24 Hours Nürburgring.
That's got to be one of the scariest/most challenging/coolest events in all sports. I've done a number of laps on the old circuit...wet and dry, but never in the dark. Much respect to anyone who can keep up their lap times all night at that place.

ElfenMagix has been conspicuously absent for a while. Wherever he is I hope he's keeping up on his beloved Indy 500.

The Chevrolet engined teams had their way in qualifying, but final "Carburetion Day" practice gave the Honda teams reason for hope.

Scott Dixon's Ganassi team won the pit crew competition, denying Oriol Servia's much smaller Panther/D&R team the giant-killer upset.

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Post by Alfisti on Sat 26 May 2012 - 2:48

@Professor Voodoo wrote:
@Kiskaloo wrote:Last weekend was the 2012 edition of the 24 Hours Nürburgring.
That's got to be one of the scariest/most challenging/coolest events in all sports. I've done a number of laps on the old circuit...wet and dry, but never in the dark. Much respect to anyone who can keep up their lap times all night at that place.
If you can find it, dig of Richard Meaden's story about doing it in a Maserati for EVO mag... great piece of writing.

@Professor Voodoo wrote:ElfenMagix has been conspicuously absent for a while.
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Post by Professor Voodoo on Sat 26 May 2012 - 9:50

Monaco Grand Prix qualifying;
Spoiler:
For the second race in a row the fastest qualifier will not start first. Micheal Schumacher will accept a 5-grid spot penalty for running into the back of Bruno Senna last weekend.

Also falling back will be last weekend's winner, Pastor Maldonado, who will be penalized 10 grid spots for a fracas with Sergio Perez in practice.

1. Michael Schumacher Germany Mercedes-Mercedes 1m 14.301s *
2. Mark Webber Australia Red Bull-Renault 1m 14.381s
3. Nico Rosberg Germany Mercedes-Mercedes 1m 14.448s
4. Lewis Hamilton Britain McLaren-Mercedes 1m 14.583s
5. Romain Grosjean France Lotus-Renault 1m 14.639s
6. Fernando Alonso Spain Ferrari-Ferrari 1m 14.948s
7. Felipe Massa Brazil Ferrari-Ferrari 1m 15.049s
8. Kimi Raikkonen Finland Lotus-Renault 1m 15.199s
9. Pastor Maldonado Venezuela Williams-Renault 1m 15.245s**
10. Sebastian Vettel Germany Red Bull-Renault no time Q3

11. Nico Hulkenberg Germany Force India-Mercedes 1m 15.421s
12. Kamui Kobayashi Japan Sauber-Ferrari 1m 15.508s
13. Jenson Button Britain McLaren-Mercedes 1m 15.536s
14. Bruno Senna Brazil Williams-Renault 1m 15.709s
15. Paul di Resta Britain Force India-Mercedes 1m 15.718s
16. Daniel Ricciardo Australia Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1m 15.878s
17. Jean-Eric Vergne France Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1m 16.885s

18. Heikki Kovalainen Finland Caterham-Renault 1m 16.538s
19. Vitaly Petrov Russia Caterham-Renault 1m 17.404s
20. Timo Glock Germany Marussia -Cosworth 1m 17.947s
21. Pedro de la Rosa Spain HRT-Cosworth 1m 18.096s
22. Charles Pic France Marussia -Cosworth 1m 18.476s
23. Narain Karthikeyan India HRT-Cosworth 1m 19.310s

Dnq Sergio Perez Mexico Sauber-Ferrari no time Q1

On his first lap in Q1 Perez hit the wall exiting the Piscine turn, looked like his steering failed.

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Post by Kiskaloo on Sat 26 May 2012 - 11:05

@Professor Voodoo wrote:Monaco Grand Prix qualifying;

Looks like sundress or shorts weather for Kara. We have the same here in Seattle. cheers

Spoiler:

Good to see The Old Man still has it in him. And to think his fans expected him to retire at the end of the year. Razz

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Post by Kiskaloo on Sun 27 May 2012 - 1:52

American Conor Daly had a wild ride during the second GP3 race at Monaco today:



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Post by Professor Voodoo on Sun 27 May 2012 - 8:17

@Kiskaloo wrote:American Conor Daly had a wild ride during the second GP3 race at Monaco today:
He was unharmed.
That loose right-front wheel flying down the track concerned me the most. Fans & marshalls are so close to the track edge at this race...it could have really caused a problem. I wonder if wheel-hub tethers are required in GP3?

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Post by Kiskaloo on Sun 27 May 2012 - 10:50

Grand Prix of Monaco results

Spoiler:

Mark Webber makes the most of his gifted pole, becoming the sixth different winner in six races. Fernando Alonso finished third, which was good enough to put him into the lead for the World Championship.

Rain in the final 10 laps made things interesting, but it didn't fall hard enough to change the results for the top 10.

Carnage at the first corner took out Roman Grosjean, Pastor Maldonado and Pedro de la Rosa. Overall, Monaco officially claimed 7 cars, though 9 were not running at the end.

For the second race in a row, McLaren was nowhere. Button was never a factor (he dropped out in 16th) and Hamilton finished 5th.

01 Mark Webber (Red Bull)
02 Nico Rosberg (Mercedes)
03 Fernando Alonso (Ferrari)
04 Sebastian Vettel (Red Bull)
05 Lewis Hamilton (McLaren)
06 Felipe Massa (Ferrari)
07 Paul di Resta (Force India)
08 Nico Hulkenberg (Force India)
09 Kimi Raikkonen (Lotus)
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Post by Professor Voodoo on Sun 27 May 2012 - 12:19

@Kiskaloo wrote:Grand Prix of Monaco results
Spoiler:
Triela: (accepting €10 notes) Feels good to be back on top. I knew you could do it, Mark.

Kara: Yeah, don't get too comfortable, blondie...Alonso has the points lead again and Massa finally had a good race. Ferrari is coming.

Allison: *sigh* What happened to my McLaren boys being the early season favorites?

Marisa: I'm right there with ya sister. I really believed Jean Eric Vergne could be a hero when Torro Rosso took that gamble with intermediate tires when the rain started. Instead he handed the last points position to Bruno Senna and Elio's Williams team winds up on top again.

Allison: Cheer up...we'll get 'em in Montreal.
Yeah, after that one year of Vettel dominanace it looks like 2010 all over again with a good points battle is shaping up.

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Post by Kiskaloo on Sun 27 May 2012 - 13:03

The Monaco GP2 Sprint Race was something, with about half the field gone in the first half lap.

@Professor Voodoo wrote:The Indianapolis 500 just went green as I type this.

Yeah, I hope it will be done before I have to head to work. While I wait for Tivo to queue it, I'm going to catch Day 2 highlights from the Acropolis Rally.

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Post by Kiskaloo on Sun 27 May 2012 - 15:19

Indianapolis 500 Results

Spoiler:

Dario Franchitti survives contact with Takuma Sato on the last lap to win his 3rd.

All-in-all, one of the better 500's in years.

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Post by Kiskaloo on Mon 28 May 2012 - 9:14

WRC Acropolis Rally of Greece results:

Spoiler:

Another easy win for Sebastien Loeb. Seriously, we should probably only bother with spoilers when he doesn't win. Smile I admit I find myself somewhat surprised how much I like WRC since I know every year going in that Loeb will win most of the races as well as the championship.

Ford continues to get their asses handed to them by Citroen. I guess they must get something out of competing, even though they'll never win a championship while Loeb is in the sport. Go figure Latvala had a good return in 3rd, but Petter Solberg continues to be the most unlucky man in the WRC, ripping a wheel off at the end of one of the later stages to end any hope of making it a fight to the finish against Loeb.

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Post by ElfenMagix on Tue 29 May 2012 - 13:45

@Kiskaloo wrote:Indianapolis 500 Results

Spoiler:

Dario Franchitti survives contact with Takuma Sato on the last lap to win his 3rd.

All-in-all, one of the better 500's in years.

I've always said that the Indy 500 was a chess game played with cars at speeds over 217 miles an hour. This race, it looks like the players got up and started throwing the chess pieces at each other. It was a better race than I have seen in years - considering that I have been seeing it since 1969 at the age of 6!

The DW12 is an awesome car, its safety features shown clearly through out the race in the fewest crashes I have seen in a race in a long time. But there is its flaw... In years past, cars would be able to get into the inside white line where the gravel and grass begins and be able to hold that inside line for as long as it could. The DW12 for some reason becomes slippery when a driver just hints at getting to that inside white line, and crashes ensues. But the aerodynamics and safety features of the car prevailed - cars that would normally slide into the wall, in this race, most didn't. This is good, at least for me. Strangely, the DW12 can hold its own on "No Man's Land", the area of grey track on turns, where in the past, Indy cars going in to this area would slide violently into the wall, in this race, DW12s were taking the turns at 2 & 3 abreast! DAMN!!!

Only drawback for me is the 2.2L V6 turbo engines pushing 500 - 700hp. (There goes MP5's statement of one not being able to push 100hp out of 1 liter per engine...). Its turbo lag was disgusting. If you let go of the gas pedal 1/2 way, it can take 1 - 2 laps for the turbo to get up to speed for you to make up the loss. In the past with Turbo cars in Indy, such a lag was maybe felt for 1/2 a track length.

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Post by Professor Voodoo on Tue 29 May 2012 - 18:05

@Kiskaloo wrote:Ford continues to get their asses handed to them by Citroen. I guess they must get something out of competing, even though they'll never win a championship while Loeb is in the sport.
Just being out there is still good advertising. You've got buyers like me who will never buy a car from a company that didn't have some form of World Championship participation. I give Ford a lot of credit for sticking around where Mitsubishi, Subaru, Peugeot & Suzuki all bailed. Still wish they'd get back into F1 where they belong though...

As frustrating as being beaten year after year by Loeb must be for the other drivers, none of them want him to retire. The first World Championship after Loeb is gone will definately have an empty feeling to it...the current contenders would much rather beat Sebastian than wait for him to be gone.
@ElfenMagix wrote: In years past, cars would be able to get into the inside white line where the gravel and grass begins and be able to hold that inside line for as long as it could. The DW12 for some reason becomes slippery when a driver just hints at getting to that inside white line, and crashes ensues.
I dare say that might have more to do with the recent re-configuration of the track apron...done to accomodate the NASCAR stock cars. A lot of the open wheel guys have complained about that.
(There goes MP5's statement of one not being able to push 100hp out of 1 liter per engine...).
When did he ever say that? MotoGP engines are pulling 250hp out of their 1 liter mills...and back during the turbo era of Formula One the qualifying engines were producing 1200-1500hp out of 1.5 liters.

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Post by Kiskaloo on Mon 4 Jun 2012 - 12:17

Triela and Kara could be tag-teaming Allison if the latest rumor du jour comes true.

Said rumor being Mark Webber will move to Ferrari in 2013 for a one-year tour at which point he'd vacate the seat for Sebastian Vettel in 2014 if the Prancing Horse was competitive in 2012 and 2013.

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Post by Officer_Charon on Mon 4 Jun 2012 - 16:39

@Kiskaloo wrote:Triela and Kara could be tag-teaming Allison if the latest rumor du jour comes true.

Saw this whilst eating wasabi almonds and mis-parsed the context.

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Post by MP5 on Mon 4 Jun 2012 - 16:49

@Kiskaloo wrote:Triela and Kara could be tag-teaming Allison if the latest rumor du jour comes true.

Said rumor being Mark Webber will move to Ferrari in 2013 for a one-year tour at which point he'd vacate the seat for Sebastian Vettel in 2014 if the Prancing Horse was competitive in 2012 and 2013.

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Post by Professor Voodoo on Mon 4 Jun 2012 - 21:27

@MP5 wrote:
@Kiskaloo wrote:Triela and Kara could be tag-teaming Allison if the latest rumor du jour comes true.

Said rumor being Mark Webber will move to Ferrari in 2013 for a one-year tour at which point he'd vacate the seat for Sebastian Vettel in 2014 if the Prancing Horse was competitive in 2012 and 2013.

http://www1.skysports.com/formula-1/news/12433/7780998/Vettel-linked-with-Ferrari-move

Allison: That's a recipe for my own personal misery.
Interesting possibilities but I wouldn't put much stock in them...especially the Vettel part. Ferrari already has Alonso...and Alonso has proven tempermental when he has a top-tier team mate to challenge his team #1 status.

Ferrari might want Sebastian sometime in the future, but he's 6 years younger than Fernando so there's still time when the day comes that Alonso falls off form or steps aside.

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Post by Alfisti on Tue 5 Jun 2012 - 5:17

@Kiskaloo wrote:Last weekend was the 2012 edition of the 24 Hours Nürburgring.

Spoiler:
They introduced a new qualifying format this year, with the Top 40 duking it out for the top starting positions. Lap times were the fastest ever - Pole was 8:13 and you have to consider that the lap now includes part of the Grand Prix circuit for a total of 25.3km / 15.7 miles. A BMW Z4 GT3 almost got under 8:27 in the race.

Audi took 1-2 with their new R8 LMS ultra, but third place was nuts - the Manthey Porsche 911 GT3 R slowed on the main straight just before the finish line as they did not have sufficient fuel to complete another lap and wanted to be the first car to cross the line at the end of 24 hours (evidently the race stops when the first car crosses after 24 hours, not when the lead car does) to secure the spot from the charging Heico SLS in 4th. Unfortunately, they still crossed the line before the checkered flag and were promptly rear-ended by a Renault Clio:



As they didn't come to a complete stop, they were not disqualified, but instead ended up 12th.

Some nice video from one of the race attendees:




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Post by Professor Voodoo on Mon 11 Jun 2012 - 1:19

Grand Prix du Canada
Spoiler:
The streak continues. Seven winners in seven races.

1. Lewis Hamilton Britain McLaren-Mercedes 1hr 32m 29.586s
2. Romain Grosjean France Lotus-Renault 0m 02.5s
3. Sergio Perez Mexico Sauber-Ferrari 0m 05.2s
4. Sebastian Vettel Germany Red Bull-Renault 0m 07.2s
5. Fernando Alonso Spain Ferrari-Ferrari 0m 13.4s
6. Nico Rosberg Germany Mercedes-Mercedes 0m 13.8s
7. Mark Webber Australia Red Bull-Renault 0m 15.0s
8. Kimi Raikkonen Finland Lotus-Renault 0m 15.5s
9. Kamui Kobayashi Japan Sauber-Ferrari 0m 24.4s
10. Felipe Massa Brazil Ferrari-Ferrari 0m 25.2s

11. Paul di Resta Britain Force India-Mercedes 0m 37.6s
12. Nico Hulkenberg Germany Force India-Mercedes 0m 46.2s
13. Pastor Maldonado Venezuela Williams-Renault 0m 47.0s
14. Daniel Ricciardo Australia Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1m 04.4s
15. Jean-Eric Vergne France Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1 lap
16. Jenson Button Britain McLaren-Mercedes 1 lap
17. Bruno Senna Brazil Williams-Renault 1 lap
18. Heikki Kovalainen Finland Caterham-Renault 1 lap
19. Vitaly Petrov Russia Caterham-Renault 1 lap
20 Charles Pic France Marussia -Cosworth 3 laps
Rtd Timo Glock Germany Marussia -Cosworth 56 laps completed
Rtd Michael Schumacher Germany Mercedes-Mercedes 43 laps completed
Rtd Pedro de la Rosa Spain HRT-Cosworth 24 laps completed
Rtd Narain Karthikeyan India HRT-Cosworth 23 laps completed

Fastest lap:
Sebastian Vettel Germany Red Bull-Renault 1m 15.752s lap 70

Allison: (collects €10 notes) Been a long time coming, Lewis.

Kara: Stupid DRS.

Triela: You can't blame the DRS entirely...Alonso just made a gamble and pushed his tires too far. Vettel wasn't even using DRS when he made his pass.

Kara: Sure...rub it in.

And in the Marisa vs. Elio bet...

Marisa: Okay, neither team scored points so it's down to average finish. Elio's Williams guys; 15th...my Toro Rosso's; 14.5!

Rico: That's awfully close.

Marisa: Yeah, but I still win this weekend. Considering how things were going I didn't think my team ever win a round again.

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Post by Kiskaloo on Mon 11 Jun 2012 - 1:43

Spoiler:

Just finished the race (had to head to work with 15 to go so I've stayed off the boards all day) and yeah, Alonso's gamble didn't pay off, but considering Vettel ended up losing a spot, if Alonso had pitted, he might very well have lost 5th to Rosberg...

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Post by Professor Voodoo on Fri 15 Jun 2012 - 2:47

The grid for this weekend's 24 Hours of Le Mans is set;
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Joest Audi's Andre Lotterer puts the first hybrid powered car on the pole...second is the conventional Audi and third is the new Toyota.

The Highcroft-Nissan Delta Wing ran a time good enough for 16th among the LMP2 cars/29th overall.

Luxury Racing heads up the GT field with their Ferrari 458.

1. Lotterer/Fassler/Treluyer Audi Sport Team Joest Audi R18 e-Tron Quattro 3mins 23.787secs LMP1 *
2. Bernhard/Dumas/Duval Audi Sport Team Joest Audi R18 Ultra 3mins 24.078secs LMP1
3. Davidson/Buemi/Sarrazin Toyota Racing Toyota TS030 HYBRID 3mins 24.842secs LMP1
4. McNish/Capello/Kristensen Audi Sport Team Joest Audi R18 e-Tron Quattro 3mins 25.433secs LMP1 *
5. Wurz/Lapierre/Nakajima Toyota Racing Toyota TS030 HYBRID 3mins 25.488secs LMP1 *
6. Jarvis/Bonanomi/Rockenfeller Audi Sport North America Audi R18 Ultra 3mins 26.420secs LMP1
7. Leventis/Watts/Kane Strakka Racing HPD ARX03a-Honda 3mins 29.622secs LMP1 *
8. Prost/Jani/Heidfeld Rebellion Racing Lola B12/60-Toyota 3mins 29.837secs LMP1 *
9. Belicchi/Primat/Bleekemolen Rebellion Racing Lola B12/60-Toyota 3mins 31.866secs LMP1 *
10. Minassian/Ara/Bourdais Pescarolo Team Dome-Judd 3mins 33.066secs LMP1
11. Brabham/Chandhok/Dumbreck JRM HPD ARX03a-Honda 3mins 35.421secs LMP1 *
12. Montagny/Baguette/Kraihamer OAK Racing OAK Pescarolo-Judd 3mins 35.584secs LMP1 *
13. Collard/Boullion/Hall Pescarolo Team Pescarolo 03-Judd 3mins 37.485secs LMP1 *

1. Martin/Charouz/Graves ADR-Delta Oreca 03-Nissan 3mins 38.181secs LMP2 *
2. Nicolet/Lahaye/Pla OAK Racing Morgan-Judd 3mins 38.598secs LMP2 *
3. Ragues/Panciatici/Rusinov Signatech Nissan Oreca 03-Nissan 3mins 39.152secs LMP2
4. Thiriet/Beche/Tinseau Thiriest by TDS Racing Oreca 03-Nissan 3mins 39.252secs LMP2
5. Perez-Companc/Kaffer/Ayari Pecom Racing Oreca 03-Nissan 3mins 39.711secs LMP2 *
6. Firth/Hartley/Hughes Murphy Prototypes Oreca 03-Nissan 3mins 39.877secs LMP2
7. Heinemeier Hansson/Leinders/Martin OAK Racing Morgan-Nissan 3mins 39.899secs LMP2
8. Sims/Buurman/Iannetta Status Grand Prix Lola-Judd 3mins 40.280secs LMP2
9. Potolicchio/Dalziel/Kimber-Smith Starworks Motorsport HPD ARX03b-Honda 3mins 40.471secs LMP2 *
10. Briere/Petersen/Nakano Boutsen Ginion Racing Oreca 03-Nissan 3mins 40.727secs LMP2
11. Brundle/Brundle/Ordonez Greaves Motorsport Zytek Z11SN-Nissan 3mins 40.738secs LMP2
12. Hancock/Dolan/Kurosawa JOTA Zytek Z11SN-Nissan 3mins 41.287secs LMP2
13. Tresson/Maillieux/Lombard Signatech Nissan Oreca 03-Nissan 3mins 41.982secs LMP2 *
14. Tucker/Bouchut/Diaz Level 5 Motorsports HPD ARX03b-Honda 3mins 42.224secs LMP2
15. Zugel/Julian/Gonzalez Greaves Motorsport Zytek Z11SN-Nissan 3mins 42.292secs LMP2 *
16. Frey/Meichtry/Hirschi Race Performance Oreca 03-Judd 3mins 43.619secs LMP2
17. Holzer/Schultis/Moro Lotus Lola B12/80-Lotus 3mins 45.664secs LMP2 *
18. Giriox/Badey/Johansson Gulf Racing Middle East Lola B12/80-Nissan 3mins 47.224secs LMP2 *
19. Rosier/Thirion/Haezebrouck Extreme Limite ARIC Norma MP200-Judd 3mins 48.025secs LMP2
20. Ihara/Deletraz/Rostan Gulf Racing Middle East Lola B12/80-Nissan 3mins 58.895secs LMP2 *

1. Franchitti/Krumm/Motoyama Highcroft Racing DeltaWing Nissan 3mins 42.612secs New Tech

1. Makowiecki/Melo/Farnbacher Luxury Racing Ferrari 458 Italia 3mins 55.393secs GTE-Pro *
2. Mucke/Turner/Fernandez Aston Martin Racing Aston Martin Vantage V8 3mins 55.870secs GTE-Pro *
3. Gavin/Milner/Westbrook Corvette Racing Chevrolet Corvette C6 3mins 55.910secs GTE-Pro
4. Bertolini/Beretta/Cioci AF Corse Ferrari 458 Italia 3mins 56.484secs GTE-Pro *
5. Garcia/Magnussen/Taylor Corvette Racing Chevrolet Corvette C6 3mins 57.181secs GTE-Pro
6. Lietz/Lieb/Henzler Felbermayr-Proton Porsche 997 RSR 3mins 57.606secs GTE-Pro *
7. Bergmeister/Long/Holzer Flying Lizard Motorsports Porsche 997 RSR 3mins 58.717secs GTE-Pro
8. Cocker/Walker/Wills JMW Motorsport Ferrari 458 Italia 3mins 59.638secs GTE-Pro
9. Fisichella/Bruni/Vilander AF Corse Ferrari 458 Italia 4mins 00.025secs GTE-Pro *

1. Neiman/Pilet/Pumpelly Flying Lizard Motorsports Porsche 997 RSR 3mins 57.594secs GTE-Am
2. Alfaisal/Curtis/Edwards Prospeed Competition Porsche 997 RSR 3mins 58.035secs GTE-Am
3. Nygaard/Poulsen/Simonsen Aston Martin Racing Aston Martin Vantage V8 3mins 58.725secs GTE-Am
4. Ehret/Montecalvo/Jeannette Luxury Racing Ferrari 458 Italia 3mins 58.800secs GTE-Am *
5. Ried/Roda/Ruberti Felbermayr-Proton Porsche 997 RSR 3mins 59.181secs GTE-Am *
6. Bornhauser/Canal/Lamy Larbre Competition Chevrolet Corvette C6 3mins 59.192secs GTE-Am *
7. Perazzini/Griffin/Cadei AF Corse Ferrari 458 Italia 4mins 00.288secs GTE-Am
8. Pons/Narac/Armindo IMSA Performance Matmut Porsche 997 RSR 4mins 00.332secs GTE-Am
9. Kauffman/Aguas/Vickers AF Corse-Waltrip Ferrari 458 Italia 4mins 00.691secs GTE-Am *
10. Krohn/Jonsson/Rugolo Krohn Racing Ferrari 458 Italia 4mins 02.323secs GTE-Am *
11. Rodrigues/Illiano/Ferte JMB Racing Ferrari 458 Italia 4mins 02.461secs GTE-Am
12. Bourret/Gibon/Belloc Larbre Competition Chevrolet Corvette C6 4mins 02.969secs GTE-Am *
13. Daniels/Palttala/Camathias JWA Avila Porsche 997 RSR 4mins 03.661secs GTE-Am *

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Post by Kiskaloo on Sat 16 Jun 2012 - 12:43

The 96th edition of the Targa Florio Rally was cancelled today after the death of Welsh navigator Gareth Roberts. The Peugeot 207, driven by Irishman Craig Breen, went off the road about five miles into the Cefalu leg (SS8), impacting a guardrail which penetrated the car on the right side (similar, if on the opposite side, to what happened to Robert Kubica).

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Post by ElfenMagix on Sat 16 Jun 2012 - 14:23

@Kiskaloo wrote:The 96th edition of the Targa Florio Rally was cancelled today after the death of Welsh navigator Gareth Roberts. The Peugeot 207, driven by Irishman Craig Breen, went off the road about five miles into the Cefalu leg (SS8), impacting a guardrail which penetrated the car on the right side (similar, if on the opposite side, to what happened to Robert Kubica).
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Post by Kiskaloo on Sun 17 Jun 2012 - 14:04

80° 24 Heures du Mans Results

Spoiler:

No real surprise as Audi sweeps again, the Audi R18 e-tron quattros taking 1st and 2nd and the diesel R18 ultras finishing 3rd and 5th. This makes 11 wins for Audi (12 if you consider the Bentley Speed 8 was based heavily on the Audi R8C).

Toyota's outing was a bust, with the first Toyota TS030 Hybrid being involved in a massive wreck on Lap 82 after being clipped by one of the AF Corse Ferrari 458 GTCs (itself also heavily crashed). This caused a significant Safety Car period and when it ended, the other TS030 promptly ran Highcroft Racing's DeltaWing into the wall, ending their race (and possibly the program). The TS030 then soon retired, itself.

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Post by Professor Voodoo on Sat 23 Jun 2012 - 9:22

Grand Prix of Europe in Valencia; Qualifying
Spoiler:


Timo Glock sat out due to illness but hopes to run the race tomorrow. His P3 practice time was good enough to make the 107% cut.

Kara didn't have much to cheer about in what must be one of she & Michele's favorite events to attend. Both Ferrari's got knocked out in Q2. Potential front-runner Michael Schumacher was also out in the second session.

Even worse; Webber experienced DRS problems and could not escape Q1. Heikki Kovaleinen takes advantage to give Catherham a rare glimpse of Q2.

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Post by Kiskaloo on Sat 23 Jun 2012 - 11:18

Spoiler:

Kara (aboard the Bright Star): "Cut the lines and weigh anchor, we're heading back to Genoa (with a stop in Monaco to do some Sympathy Shopping)."


Seriously, yes I would expect Valencia is #2 on Kara's Top Three F1 Circuits, behind Monaco and ahead of Abu Dhabi, because she can stay aboard the ship.

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Post by Kiskaloo on Sun 24 Jun 2012 - 13:53

2012 European Grand Prix



One of the most epic seasons in Formula One history has it's most epic race to date.


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Post by Professor Voodoo on Sun 24 Jun 2012 - 14:15

Valencia GP Results;
Spoiler:
Michele: Sooooo...who was it that wanted to weigh anchor and head back to Genoa yesterday?

1. Fernando Alonso Spain Ferrari-Ferrari 1hr 44m 16.449s 57 laps
2. Kimi Raikkonen Finland Lotus-Renault +0m 06.4s
3. Michael Schumacher Germany Mercedes-Mercedes +0m 12.6s
4. Mark Webber Australia Red Bull-Renault +0m 13.6s
5. Nico Hulkenberg Germany Force India-Mercedes +0m 19.9s
6. Nico Rosberg Germany Mercedes-Mercedes +0m 21.1s
7. Paul di Resta Britain Force India-Mercedes +0m 22.8s
8. Jenson Button Britain McLaren-Mercedes +0m 24.6s
9. Sergio Perez Mexico Sauber-Ferrari +0m 27.7s
10. Bruno Senna Brazil Williams-Renault +0m 35.9s

11. Daniel Ricciardo Australia Toro Rosso-Ferrari +0m 37.0s
12. Pastor Maldonado Venezuela Williams-Renault +0m 54.6s* (20 sec penalty)
13. Vitaly Petrov Russia Caterham-Renault +1m 15.8s
14. Heikki Kovalainen Finland Caterham-Renault +1m 34.6s
15. Charles Pic France Marussia -Cosworth +1m 36.5s
16. Felipe Massa Brazil Ferrari-Ferrari +1 lap
17. Pedro de la Rosa Spain HRT-Cosworth +1 lap
18. Narain Karthikeyan India HRT-Cosworth +1 lap
19. Lewis Hamilton Britain McLaren-Mercedes +2 laps

Rtd. Romain Grosjean France Lotus-Renault 40 laps completed
Rtd. Sebastian Vettel Germany Red Bull-Renault 33 laps completed
Rtd. Kamui Kobayashi Japan Sauber-Ferrari 33 laps completed**
Rtd. Jean-Eric Vergne France Toro Rosso-Ferrari 26 laps completed***

Dns. Timo Glock Germany Marussia -Cosworth Did not start


Fastest lap:

Nico Rosberg Germany Mercedes-Mercedes 1m 42.163s lap 54
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Post by Kiskaloo on Sun 24 Jun 2012 - 14:34

2012 WRC Brother Rally New Zealand

I'll forgo the results since SPEED will show the highlights this evening, but I will say that New Zealand is right up there with Wales and Germany when it comes to amazing scenery on a rally course. Watching the cars actually dance through some of the stages due to the road conditions was amazing. And you have to give kudos to a rally with a stage named "Girl's High School". Very Happy

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Post by Kiskaloo on Fri 6 Jul 2012 - 10:15

Looks like the wettest summer in the last century continues to have it's grip on Britain and therefore Silverstone will be a wet weekend. So aero won't be much of a factor, which will make the Ferrari competitive (and Kara happy - doubly so as she'll be watching it from Michele's place in Milan and not having to trudge through muddy car parks and huge car queues).

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Post by Professor Voodoo on Fri 6 Jul 2012 - 15:49

Combined Friday Practice times;
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1. Lewis Hamilton Britain McLaren-Mercedes 1m 56.345s
2. Kamui Kobayashi Japan Sauber-Ferrari 1m 56.474s
3. Michael Schumacher Germany Mercedes-Mercedes 1m 56.545s
4. Romain Grosjean France Lotus-Renault 1m 56.552s*
5. Nico Rosberg Germany Mercedes-Mercedes 1m 56.567s
6. Daniel Ricciardo Australia Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1m 56.827s*
7. Sergio Perez Mexico Sauber-Ferrari 1m 57.493s
8. Jenson Button Britain McLaren-Mercedes 1m 57.948s
9. Felipe Massa Brazil Ferrari-Ferrari 1m 58.119s*
10. Mark Webber Australia Red Bull-Renault 1m 58.463s*
11. Heikki Kovalainen Finland Caterham-Renault 1m 58.580s
12. Kimi Raikkonen Finland Lotus-Renault 1m 58.897s
13. Nico Hulkenberg Germany Force India-Mercedes 1m 58.943s
14. Fernando Alonso Spain Ferrari-Ferrari 1m 59.015s
15. Jean-Eric Vergne France Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1m 59.076s*
16. Sebastian Vettel Germany Red Bull-Renault 1m 59.414s*
17. Paul di Resta Britain Force India-Mercedes 1m 59.429s
18. Pastor Maldonado Venezuela Williams-Renault 1m 59.472s
19. Vitaly Petrov Russia Caterham-Renault 1m 59.614s*
20. Valtteri Bottas Finland Williams-Renault 1m 59.733s*
21. Timo Glock Germany Marussia-Cosworth 2m 00.820s
22. Bruno Senna Brazil Williams-Renault 2m 01.099s
23. Charles Pic France Marussia -Cosworth 2m 03.719s
24. Pedro de la Rosa Spain HRT-Cosworth 2m 04.341s*
25. Narain Karthikeyan India HRT-Cosworth 2m 04.774s
26. Dani Clos Spain HRT-Cosworth 2m 05.002s*
27. Jules Bianchi France Force India-Mercedes No time*

* denotes driver setting time in first of two 90-minute sessions
In other...less happy news, Marussia test driver Maria de Villota suffered a bizarre accident during straight-line areo testing in Cambridgeshire. Witnesses say the car has completed a high speed run and come to a complete stop...then took off again, striking the lift of her own hauler truck at about 30mph. de Villota is in critical but stable condition, but unfortunately it has been confirms that her right eye was lost.
@Kiskaloo wrote: (and Kara happy - doubly so as she'll be watching it from Michele's place in Milan and not having to trudge through muddy car parks and huge car queues).
There's an idea for a short story...Kara experiences a race, Elio style. Instead of a VIP box with chilled champagne...trudging around the track in the hot sun (or cold rain) with a stopwatch, notebook and zoom-lens camera.

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Post by Kiskaloo on Fri 6 Jul 2012 - 23:07

@Professor Voodoo wrote:
@Kiskaloo wrote: (and Kara happy -
doubly so as she'll be watching it from Michele's place in Milan and not
having to trudge through muddy car parks and huge car queues).

There's an idea for a short story...Kara experiences a race, Elio style. Instead of a VIP box with chilled champagne...trudging around the track in the cold rain with a stopwatch, notebook and zoom-lens camera.

I'd be willing to co-write it, but having recently re-read Palermo RoundUp for some background for Hunters in the Dolomites, you write Kara so magnificently that I'd be 110% comfortable to let you run with it. Yes Indeed

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Post by Professor Voodoo on Fri 6 Jul 2012 - 23:42

@Kiskaloo wrote:
I'd be willing to co-write it, but having recently re-read Palermo RoundUp for some background for Hunters in the Dolomites, you write Kara so magnificently that I'd be 110% comfortable to let you run with it.
Given my success rate at finishing stories lately I wouldn't hold your breath.

More likely is a Marisa/Elio episode (featuring all the usual guest fratelli) entitled Gran Premio di Roma. Remember back about a year ago when the idea was floated for a street race in Rome? It never got beyond hypothetical stages in real life but the story would assume that the race actually did take place. Of course, it would be a prime target for the FRF trying to embarrass the Republic on an international stage, so Section Two gets called in to provide clandestine security.

Kara & Michele get to cover the VIP parties & champagne receptions.

Elio holds a pre-race grid pass...Marisa spends more time hunting autographs than paying attention to her job.

Brian has a paddock pass...Allison makes an enormous pest of herself trying to see every technical aspect of every car.

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Post by MP5 on Fri 6 Jul 2012 - 23:46

Brian and Allison with a paddock pass? Hm. I think Allison would have basically done all her research on the various teams' cars, and instead be explaining to Jay what sets the teams apart, especially her favorite McLarens from their archnemesis Ferraris.

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Post by Professor Voodoo on Sat 7 Jul 2012 - 0:16

@MP5 wrote:Brian and Allison with a paddock pass? Hm. I think Allison would have basically done all her research on the various teams' cars, and instead be explaining to Jay what sets the teams apart, especially her favorite McLarens from their archnemesis Ferraris.
Sure, but for comedy points there's nothing like Allison following Adrian Newey or Paddy Lowe around, asking questions about everything. Enter some big name VIP or sponsor...Allison unceremoniously butts him aside to ask about the rapid prototyping process for the rear suspension arms.

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Post by Kiskaloo on Sat 7 Jul 2012 - 11:52

2012 Formula 1 Santander British Grand Prix Qualifying

As abysmal weather meant an extended Red Flag, my DVR only recorded Q1 and Q2 up until the Red Flag, so I had to hit the web to find out how qualifying went.

Spoiler:

Positions:
1 Fernando Alonso (Spa) Ferrari 1mins 51.746secs
2 Mark Webber (Aus) Red Bull 1:51.793
3 Michael Schumacher (Ger) Mercedes GP 1:52.020
4 Sebastian Vettel (Ger) Red Bull 1:52.199
5 Felipe Massa (Bra) Ferrari 1:53.065
6 Kimi Raikkonen (Fin) Lotus F1 Team 1:53.290
7 Pastor Maldonado (Ven) Williams 1:53.539
8 Lewis Hamilton (Gbr) McLaren 1:53.543
9 Nico Hulkenberg (Ger) Force India 1:54.382
10 Romain Grosjean (Fra) Lotus F1 Team 1:56.388
11 Paul di Resta (Gbr) Force India 1:57.009
12 Kamui Kobayashi (Jpn) Sauber-Ferrari 1:57.071
13 Nico Rosberg (Ger) Mercedes GP 1:57.108
14 Daniel Ricciardo (Aus) Scuderia Toro Rosso 1:57.132
15 Bruno Senna (Bra) Williams 1:57.426
16 Jean-Eric Vergne (Fra) Scuderia Toro Rosso 1:57.719
17 Sergio Perez (Mex) Sauber-Ferrari 1:57.895
18 Jenson Button (Gbr) McLaren 1:48.044
19 Vitaly Petrov (Rus) Caterham 1:49.027
20 Heikki Kovalainen (Fin) Caterham 1:49.477
21 Timo Glock (Ger) Marussia 1:51.618
22 Pedro de la Rosa (Spa) HRT-F1 1:52.742
23 Narain Karthikeyan (Ind) HRT-F1 1:53.040
24 Charles Pic (Fra) Marussia 1:54.143

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Post by Professor Voodoo on Sat 7 Jul 2012 - 13:26

@Kiskaloo wrote:
As abysmal weather meant an extended Red Flag, my DVR only recorded Q1 and Q2 up until the Red Flag, so I had to hit the web to find out how qualifying went.
I set my own machine up for an extra hour of over-run and still didn't see the re-start of Q2. They did air the dry morning P3 session though, so it wasn't a total waste.

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Post by Kiskaloo on Sat 7 Jul 2012 - 14:52

Sad thing is I actually woke up ay 5:30AM so I almost just turned it on to watch live, but decided instead to go back to bed for three hours. sweat


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Post by Kiskaloo on Sun 8 Jul 2012 - 14:20

2012 Formula 1 Santander British Grand Prix Results

Spoiler:

Fernando Alonso commands almost all of the race, but his soft tires don't hold out and Mark Webber is able to pass with four to go to secure his second win of 2012. Honestly, when I saw the race would be dry and Alonso would start on the hards, I expected him to get snowed under, so overall, a good run. Alonso continues to lead the Driver's Championship by 13 points and Ferrari moves past Lotus-Renault into 2nd place in the Constructor's Championship.

01 Mark Webber
02 Fernando Alonso
03 Sebastian Vettel
04 Felipe Massa
05 Kimi Räikkönen
06 Romain Grosjean
07 Michael Schumacher
08 Lewis Hamilton
09 Bruno Senna
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Post by Professor Voodoo on Tue 10 Jul 2012 - 16:15

@Kiskaloo wrote:2012 Formula 1 British Grand Prix
If I was trying to explain to a person how much of a strategic "chess match" modern F1 is I would show them a review of this race. Webber & Red Bull played the tire game perfectly...even though I think Alonso had more outright speed.

Such a sharp contrast with last year; Mark is definite title contender, although if Red Bull really hits their stride and regains last year's advantage the pendulum could swing back to Vettel. Still, if I had to bet my money would be on Alonso for the drivers' title this year. He always comes on strong in the second half of the season...but this year he's laid down a good foundation during the first half.

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Post by Kiskaloo on Tue 17 Jul 2012 - 11:03

After talking with Ferrari, Mark Webber decided to extend his contract with Red Bull another year.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/18780239

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Post by Professor Voodoo on Sat 21 Jul 2012 - 20:17

German Grand Prix Qualifying:
Spoiler:
1. Fernando Alonso Spain Ferrari-Ferrari 1m 40.621s
2. Sebastian Vettel Germany Red Bull-Renault 1m 41.026s
3. Mark Webber Australia Red Bull-Renault 1m 41.496s*
4. Michael Schumacher Germany Mercedes-Mercedes 1m 42.459s
5. Nico Hulkenberg Germany Force India-Mercedes 1m 43.501s
6. Pastor Maldonado Venezuela Williams-Renault 1m 43.950s
7. Jenson Button Britain McLaren-Mercedes 1m 44.113s
8. Lewis Hamilton Britain McLaren-Mercedes 1m 44.186s
9. Paul di Resta Britain Force India-Mercedes 1m 44.889s
10. Kimi Raikkonen Finland Lotus-Renault 1m 45.811s

11. Daniel Ricciardo Australia Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1m 39.789s
12. Sergio Perez Mexico Sauber-Ferrari 1m 39.933s
13. Kamui Kobayashi Japan Sauber-Ferrari 1m 39.985s
14. Felipe Massa Brazil Ferrari-Ferrari 1m 40.212s
15. Romain Grosjean France Lotus-Renault 1m 40.574s*
16. Bruno Senna Brazil Williams-Renault 1m 40.752s
17. Nico Rosberg Germany Mercedes-Mercedes 1m 41.551s*

18. Jean-Eric Vergne France Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1m 16.741s
19. Heikki Kovalainen Finland Caterham-Renault 1m 17.620s
20. Vitaly Petrov Russia Caterham-Renault 1m 18.531s
21. Charles Pic France Marussia -Cosworth 1m 19.220s
22. Timo Glock Germany Marussia -Cosworth 1m 19.291s
23. Pedro de la Rosa Spain HRT-Cosworth 1m 19.912s
24. Narain Karthikeyan India HRT-Cosworth 1m 20.230s

Drivers will take 5-grid spot penalty for gearbox change.

Kara will have every reason to be happy. Alonso was the last driver out on track setting a hot lap, and even though he already held the top spot, which nobody managed to beat he still finished the lap and beat his own time by 3/10 second. His crew could have waved him off, Fernando already had pole locked up...but not doing so will send shivers down the spines of his rivals. Alonso was having fun out there, and the Ferrari is good enough that he feels he can safely push it even when there's no reason to do so. If it rains he'll be hard to beat tomorrow.

Dark horse possibility? Maybe Schumacher starting from third (after Webber's gearbox penalty). Germany would be a great place to see him return to the top step.
I attended a few races at Hockenheim in the late 90's (World Superbike Championship & FIA GT Championship). Not my favorite track in the world, but a terrific place to camp. It's surrounded by a huge old-growth forest...rare in Europe these days. Walk just a few hundred yards away from the world of ultra-modern racing and you could easily imagine yourself transported back 1000 years to Medieval Germany. Nice contrast after a day at the track.

I only got to run Hockenheim once, and not even a full session. Just when I was learning the track and getting up to speed some other rider fell and oiled the track down...ending my only session prematurely.

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Post by Professor Voodoo on Mon 23 Jul 2012 - 1:30

German Grand Prix, Results;
Spoiler:
1. Fernando Alonso Spain Ferrari-Ferrari 1hr 31m 05.862s
2. Jenson Button Britain McLaren-Mercedes +0m 06.9s
3. Kimi Raikkonen Finland Lotus-Renault +0m 16.4s
4. Kamui Kobayashi Japan Sauber-Ferrari +0m 21.9s
5. Sebastian Vettel Germany Red Bull-Renault +0m 23.7s #
6. Sergio Perez Mexico Sauber-Ferrari +0m 27.8s
7. Michael Schumacher Germany Mercedes-Mercedes +0m 28.9s
8. Mark Webber Australia Red Bull-Renault +0m 46.9s
9. Nico Hulkenberg Germany Force India-Mercedes +0m 48.1s
10. Nico Rosberg Germany Mercedes-Mercedes +0m 48.8s

11. Paul di Resta Britain Force India-Mercedes +0m 59.2s
12. Daniel Ricciardo Australia Toro Rosso-Ferrari +1m 11.4s
13. Jean-Eric Vergne France Toro Rosso-Ferrari +1m 16.8s
14. Pastor Maldonado Venezuela Williams-Renault +1m 16.9s
15. Vitaly Petrov Russia Caterham-Renault +1 lap
16. Bruno Senna Brazil Williams-Renault +1 lap
17. Romain Grosjean France Lotus-Renault +1 lap
18. Heikki Kovalainen Finland Caterham-Renault +2 laps
19 Charles Pic France Marussia -Cosworth +2 laps
20. Pedro de la Rosa Spain HRT-Cosworth +3 laps
21. Timo Glock Germany Marussia -Cosworth +3 laps
23. Narain Karthikeyan India HRT-Cosworth +3 laps

Rtd Lewis Hamilton Britain McLaren-Mercedes 56 laps completed


Kara: (collecting her money) I'm liking how this season is turning out. Two out of the last three for Fernando. If it wasn't for that tire miscalculation at Silverstone he'd have 3-in a row!

Triela: *sigh* At least Vettel took 2nd.

Allison: Not so fast...he got a 20 second penalty for passing Jenson off the track.

Triela: Whhhaaa!?! Sebastian, why couldn't you be more patient? Button's tires were shot!

Marisa: Well, I'm happy with the result.

Kara: Why? Your Toro Rosso guys had a lousy day...zero points.

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Post by Kiskaloo on Mon 23 Jul 2012 - 1:59

Spoiler:

Yes, running the softs at the start seemed to be the right call as the Ferrari appears to like the harder tires.

I do wonder if Red Bull really was using an illegal exhaust mapping and if that played a role in Webber running down Alonso at Silverstone. Both Red Bulls looked pretty squirrelly in Germany, so I wonder if they turned it off...

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Post by Kiskaloo on Fri 27 Jul 2012 - 21:02

What is it with rain and motorsport in 2012?

For Forumla One, it pours during the Malaysian Grand Prix as well as practice and qualifying for the British, German and Hungarian (at least for practice - we shall see how qualifying turns out) Grands Prix. Now watching Grand Am at Indianapolis and it's pouring there.

There was the Sibiu Rally Romania on 20–22 July where it was so dry that only the lead car could put in a competitive run as the rest of the field had to slow for dust, but that seems the aberration this season.

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