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Post by Il Direttore on Wed 4 Jul 2012 - 23:56

If video games are even remotely accurate, the M240 is also a BITCH to reload.

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Post by Officer_Charon on Thu 5 Jul 2012 - 0:24

It can be, but really, it's about the same as the SAW. A trained gunner under optimal conditions can have the old box clear, sweep brass, slap the new box i, and fully loaded in about 5 seconds or less.

Note I said "optimal."

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Post by Il Direttore on Thu 5 Jul 2012 - 0:25

So basically: "When not being shot at in the middle of a jungle/desert/field/city."

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Post by John_234 on Thu 5 Jul 2012 - 2:47

Nah. The M240 is reloaded the same as virtually every other belt fed machine gun out there - which various militaries have been using in less than ideal settings since world war one. Yes, they're slow to reload. But this doesn't counter the fact that they're an essential part of an infantry unit. A small summary of how to reload basic LMGs:

M60
Pull charging lever, push forward. Open top. Remove belt and any box. Put on new box. Pull on belt. Slap down cover.

M240 / FN MAG
Pull charging lever, push forward. Open top. Remove belt and any box. Put on new box. Pull on belt. Slap down cover.

M249
Pull charging lever, push forward. Open top. Remove belt and any box. Put on new box. Pull on belt. Slap down cover.

MG-42 / MG3
Open top. Remove belt and any box. Put on new box. Pull on belt. Slap down cover. Pull charging lever, push forward.

M2
Open top. Remove belt and any box. Put on new box. Pull on belt. Slap down cover. Pull charging lever, push forward.

PKM
Open top. Remove belt and any box. Put on new box. Pull on belt. Slap down cover. Pull charging lever.

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Open top. Remove belt and any box. Put on new box. Pull on belt. Slap down cover. Pull charging lever.



Most guns have a belt on the left, charging handle on the right. The PKM has both on the right. An RPK, MG-36 or IAR has a standard magwell so you can reload somewhat like a rifle. The American MGs and the MAG have similar barrel changes using a lever. The MG3's barrel assembly slides to the side. But the M240 isn't significantly slower than most machine guns. Small units like special forces tend to have a lot of belt feds to maximize the volume of fire downrange. To them, the volume of fire alone outweighs all disadvantages of the machine gun. There are LMGs in Amsel and Luce's kits.

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Post by Alfisti on Thu 5 Jul 2012 - 7:05

I sort of get the impression that the idea behind "MP5 in a briefcase" is to send enough metal flying in the general direction of the badguys to keep their heads down, long enough for your own people to get some more effective weapons out...

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Post by Awinnell on Thu 5 Jul 2012 - 10:20

please drool









Caliber

.338 Norma Magnum / 8.6x64
Weight

10.9 kg / 24 lbs (gun with bipod) + 5.2 kg / 11.5 lbs (M192 tripod)
Overall length

1244 mm / 49”
Barrel length

609 mm / 24”
Cyclic rate of fire

500 rounds per minute
Feed and capacity

Belt


Lightweight Medium Machine Gun (LWMMG) is the new, prototype weapon developed by US defense industry giant General Dynamics. LWMMG was first displayed to industry specialists during NDIA conference in May, 2012. It is yet to be seen if the weapon will live to expectations, and it seems that it has a long way forward for possible adoption.

The concept of the Lightweight Medium Machine Gun is apparently based on the current US Army doctrine for “overmatching capabilities”, requiring new weapons to provide more effect than weapons of its adversaries. In this particular case, LWMMG is to overmatch small arms (7,62mm rifles and machine gun), widely employed by insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan. Until now, small units of US Armed forces had small arms (rifles and general purpose machine guns) with more or less matching capabilities in terms of range and lethality (hitting power).

338 Norma Magnum cartridge is a recent development. It has evolved from .338 Lapua Magnum cartridge by shortening the case and slightly altering its shape, to ensure same overall length as .338LM with longer heavier bullets with outstanding ballistic properties. In its basic form, .338 NM cartridge, when fired from LWMMG, launches very low drag sierra MatchKing bullet weighting 19.44 gram (300 grains) at 808 m/s (2650 fps), with muzzle energy in excess of 6300 Joules (4600 ft-lbs).

The LWMMG offers noticeable increase in terms of range (from about 800 meters for 7,62mm GPMG such as M240 or PKM up to 1700 meters for LWMMG) and lethality. Terminal energy of the bullet at 1000 meters range for .338NM bullet fired from LWMMG is almost 4 times higher than energy of the 7,62mm bullet fired from M240. It must be noted that Lightweight Medium Machine Gun (LWMMG) is intended for many different applications, including use by dismounted / foot soldiers. The gun itself is relatively light, and actually is lighter than 7,62mm M240B machine gun by about 3 pounds / 1.3 kg. The key issue is ammunition, as .338NM cartridge is twice as heavy compared to 7,62x51 NATO cartridge (45,5 g / 702 grs for .338 compared to 24 g / 370 grs for 7,62). Links for LWMMG also are twice as heavy compared to standard M13 7,62 NATO links (8 gram vs. 4 gram). To make a comparison, .338 LWMMG with one minute worth of ammo for sustained fire (500 rounds in belts) has total weight of 37,6 kg, while M240B with one minute worth of ammo (800 rounds in belts) has total weight of 34,4 kg.

Lightweight Medium Machine Gun (LWMMG) is gas operated weapon that fires from open bolt. It employs more or less conventional rotary bolt locking and long stroke gas piston, located below the barrel. cooled barrel

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Post by John_234 on Thu 5 Jul 2012 - 18:08

@Alfisti wrote:I sort of get the impression that the idea behind "MP5 in a briefcase" is to send enough metal flying in the general direction of the badguys to keep their heads down, long enough for your own people to get some more effective weapons out...

Yeah, but there's a reason it's never been that popular, especially when the MP5K can be worn in a shoulder holster under a jacket.

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Post by Three Dog on Thu 5 Jul 2012 - 20:22

@Awinnell wrote:please drool
Drooling...

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Post by John_234 on Thu 5 Jul 2012 - 21:01

Considering .338 Lapua Mag costs as much per bullet as .50 BMG, that thing must be ungodly expensive to train on.

Luce doesn't use LMGs, but Amsel has a M249 variant in 6.5 MPC.

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Post by Alfisti on Sat 7 Jul 2012 - 5:51

@John_234 wrote:
@Alfisti wrote:I sort of get the impression that the idea behind "MP5 in a briefcase" is to send enough metal flying in the general direction of the badguys to keep their heads down, long enough for your own people to get some more effective weapons out...

Yeah, but there's a reason it's never been that popular, especially when the MP5K can be worn in a shoulder holster under a jacket.
"I think the idea behind" and "I think this is a good idea" do not have to go hand in hand Wink

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Post by Three Dog on Sat 7 Jul 2012 - 6:44

@Alfisti wrote:
@John_234 wrote:
@Alfisti wrote:I sort of get the impression that the idea behind "MP5 in a briefcase" is to send enough metal flying in the general direction of the badguys to keep their heads down, long enough for your own people to get some more effective weapons out...

Yeah, but there's a reason it's never been that popular, especially when the MP5K can be worn in a shoulder holster under a jacket.
"I think the idea behind" and "I think this is a good idea" do not have to go hand in hand Wink

I can attest to that. I have had many a mishap because of this.study

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Post by John_234 on Sat 7 Jul 2012 - 7:10

@Alfisti wrote:
@John_234 wrote:
@Alfisti wrote:I sort of get the impression that the idea behind "MP5 in a briefcase" is to send enough metal flying in the general direction of the badguys to keep their heads down, long enough for your own people to get some more effective weapons out...

Yeah, but there's a reason it's never been that popular, especially when the MP5K can be worn in a shoulder holster under a jacket.
"I think the idea behind" and "I think this is a good idea" do not have to go hand in hand Wink

Ah.

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