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Post by Piero on Sat 16 Feb 2008 - 0:04

Keep in mind with the Sig rifle that Elsa was only shown with it in the anime. And that it was an early chapter which had Rico with the Sig. So actually, Rico was established as having used the rifle before Elsa was.

BTW, it the Dragunov was disassembled, would the sight need to be rezeroed when it was reassembled? For a sharpshooter's rifle, something like that could be an important consideration.

By the way, anyone curious as to what I'm thinking of having my cyborg carry in her viola case? Very Happy

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Post by Nachtsider on Sat 16 Feb 2008 - 0:07

Anime, manga... they're both the same thing, really, when it comes to Gunslinger Girl (Season Two's art style notwithstanding). I'm not sure why a lot of people talk about them as though they're talking about two different items. You're may be right about Rico using that SiG before Elsa (Elsa being the new girl and all that), though.

Fire away about your cyborg's mystery weapon, Piero. We're all ears.

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Post by Wileama on Sat 16 Feb 2008 - 0:34

I always thought it was a SMG, or assult rifle in Rico's instrument case. Much like Angelica carried a TMP in her case, instead of her full sized Steyr Aug. Maybe it was just a pistol, and some grenades. Besides just size issues a long barrel rifle is not a good weapon for sudden close range engagments. I do not see her Dragunov in that case. She probably carries it in a special bag.

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Post by Piero on Sat 16 Feb 2008 - 0:41

Fire away about your cyborg's mystery weapon, Piero. We're all ears.

Well, it's not a single weapon so much as a kit that allows her to rapidly respond to a variety of situations on the fly. It also isn't completely set in stone at this point, but anyway...

The centerpiece is an HK53A3, stock collapsed, loaded with a 20 round magazine of 75gr Hornandy TAP ammunition and fitted with a sight rail that's used to attach a 1.1-4x Schmidt and Bender Short Dot scope via a quick detach mount. (Arguably a bit much for such a short barelled weapon, but its a nice scope.)

That weapon is placed overtop of two cloth twin magazine pouches with shoulder straps attached. Essentially, she can take one of these and throw it over her shoulder if she has to go in somewhere (much easier then carrying the entire case with her). Between them, the pouches contain four 40 round magazines -three of 75gr Hornandy TAP and one of 62gr Federal Tactical (which has better penetration against barriers).

And since the HK53 is so short with the stock collapsed (under 23 inches), there's room in the neck of the case for additional equipment. I've been thinking two flashbangs and a sound suppressor for the Sig pistol she carries.

It's certainly not perfect (the HK53's short barrel is a fairly serious limitation) and it may well weight over twenty pounds, but it is versatile.

I also wonder a bit about whether there would be sufficient padding with all that crammed in there, but I can't exactly test that IRL. Very Happy

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Post by Sintendo on Sat 16 Feb 2008 - 3:30

@LoC978 wrote:
@Piero wrote:What sort of scope have you got mounted on that rifle, LOC?
It's a proprietary Romanian military scope. An LPS 4x6 TIP2.
here's a view down it taken with my nifty new camera:

I love these kinds of reticles.

On-the-fly distance measuring FTW.

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Post by Piero on Sat 16 Feb 2008 - 16:17

Speaking of optics, does anyone remember the issue of the scope on Angie's AUG? Well, the anime version and manga version are a bit different, and I was noticing recently that the manga version looks a lot like a 1.5-6x42mm Schmidt and Bender. Which, while still awfully powerful for an assault rifle, actually seems like something that would make a viable optic for one that was supposed to be used for sharpshooting (especially if its one of the models which has an illuminated dot or circle in addition to crosshairs).

Also, I've had to reconsider the sighting system for my cyborg's viola case HK53, because I did some fact searching and calculations and now have serious doubts about the gun's ability to fit in a sculpted viola case with the extra high of the Short Dot and it's quick detach mount. Anyone got any ideas for that? I've been thinking perhaps one of Aim Points micro red dot scopes (which are considerably smaller then one of their full size models) or something like a Doctor Optic.

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Post by LoC978 on Fri 22 Feb 2008 - 18:06

dunno if you've seen this, Sintendo, but I thought it was hilarious:
AK vs. AR vs. Mosin Nagant

also, I'm shoppin' around for cheap but noncorrosive 7.62x54r... any suggestions? I keep finding stuff that might be corrosive:

I really don't wanna take that chance with an $800 rifle, but I also don't wanna buy 20 round boxes of Wolf ammo...

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Post by Nachtsider on Fri 22 Feb 2008 - 18:13

Heh. That article's priceless, LoC.

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Post by Guest on Fri 22 Feb 2008 - 19:01

Laughing Made me laugh so hard it hurts (and I don't even know what an AR is).

Oh, and the Dragunov is great.

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Post by Nachtsider on Fri 22 Feb 2008 - 19:03

An AR would be an M-16, Klicks.

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Post by LoC978 on Fri 22 Feb 2008 - 19:05

M-16, M-4, SR-21...
basically it's a rifle based off of Eugene Stoner's originals, the AR-10 and AR-15.

...regarding my ammo search: looks like I'm screwed... that oldschool surplus stuff is ALL corrosive (which, while not a big deal in a Mosin-Nagant, is difficult to clean up after with a PSL/SVD). So I guess I'm stuck buying 20 round boxes of Wolf. Ah well.

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Post by Guest on Sat 23 Feb 2008 - 0:05

have you tried cheaperthandirt ??

I'm waiting for some pics of the group at 100 yards.

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Post by LoC978 on Sat 23 Feb 2008 - 1:16

yup. backordered. they'll email me when more comes in... :\

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Post by Sintendo on Sat 23 Feb 2008 - 15:46

So I went to go pick up my AR-15 lower when I spied with my little eye...



Man, if I had a spare $2000 on me, I'd buy it in a heartbeat. Civvy barrel, 10 round mag and all. I could pick up a 50 round mag in Nevada anyways...

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Post by Sintendo on Sun 24 Feb 2008 - 14:30

Here she is in a pretty bikini:


Oh, a little bit more revealing... how nice...:


*Gasp*! You naughty girl, you...:


Oh come on. That's just nasty... *tilts head sideways*:


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Post by Guest on Sun 24 Feb 2008 - 16:00

ur...mentally unstable, and that's coming from one who sleeps with a rifle

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Post by Sintendo on Sat 1 Mar 2008 - 23:58

Bought me another AR lower, but goddam that P-90 is mighty tempting. The Boss even cut me a deal and lowered the price down to $1200... but I couldn't do it... He said he'd save it for me when I come back to pick up the lower, but... $1200 is still out of my price range.

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Post by Sintendo on Sun 2 Mar 2008 - 0:04

@LoC978 wrote:

...regarding my ammo search: looks like I'm screwed... that oldschool surplus stuff is ALL corrosive (which, while not a big deal in a Mosin-Nagant, is difficult to clean up after with a PSL/SVD). So I guess I'm stuck buying 20 round boxes of Wolf. Ah well.

That's a pity. The Wolf ammo, while not bad, are shit compare to the surplus ammo. My M-44 can take 300+ rounds of those suckers and will only need a light bath in Windex to get 'er rifling all shiny again. Still wish I had me an SVD though... bastard

I think I'll pick up an M-1891 the next time I'm at AmmoBros....
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Post by Guest on Thu 6 Mar 2008 - 22:57

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zl6i01rX3E (Go USA!) Razz

(Anyone know what anime the minigun totting plushy-dawg is from?)

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Post by Nachtsider on Thu 6 Mar 2008 - 23:07

It looked more a cat than a dog, Klicks. But I don't know all the same.

Man, that video made my day. Weird Al is a genius.

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Post by Nachtsider on Sat 8 Mar 2008 - 20:31

Question - are tracer rounds available for handguns and SMGs?

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Post by Sintendo on Sat 15 Mar 2008 - 16:57







Can't wait to get started on this baby... gotta finish the other baby first, though, lol...

And the P-90 was still seducing me...
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Post by Piero on Sat 15 Mar 2008 - 17:09

@Nachtsider wrote:Question - are tracer rounds available for handguns and SMGs?

I don't know much about them, but yes, apparently there are. I googled 9mm tracer and got some hits from it.

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Post by Nachtsider on Sat 15 Mar 2008 - 17:31

Cool. Thanks, Piero.

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Post by boomer_gonz on Wed 19 Mar 2008 - 4:50

3klicks wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zl6i01rX3E (Go USA!) Razz

(Anyone know what anime the minigun totting plushy-dawg is from?)

I do, I do!!! That happens to be Menchi from Excel Saga.

Anybody know of the chesty blonde in the red dress? I mean she caught the shells in her cleavage for crying out loud.
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Post by Sakura on Wed 19 Mar 2008 - 19:31

@boomer_gonz wrote:
3klicks wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zl6i01rX3E (Go USA!) Razz

(Anyone know what anime the minigun totting plushy-dawg is from?)

I do, I do!!! That happens to be Menchi from Excel Saga.

Anybody know of the chesty blonde in the red dress? I mean she caught the shells in her cleavage for crying out loud.

:shamelessly raises hand:

I consider it more of a pink outfit, but the chesty blonde you are referring to is Rushuna Tendo from Grenadier

Never watched it, but from the clips in the youtube video 3klicks provided it looks like plenty of comedy and fanservice
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Post by Sakura on Wed 19 Mar 2008 - 19:38

On the topic of AR-15, has anyone seen this video? http://youtube.com/watch?v=irykjLjuKo8

Crazy. How fast does someone normally field strip and reassemble an AR-15?
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Post by LoC978 on Wed 19 Mar 2008 - 20:23

off the top of my head...
Two minutes or less under optimal conditions (something I've never experienced), five or less in the field. Minimal difference: the functions check takes marginally longer on the models I've handled... they all have a 3-round burst setting.

Still, one can tell that little girl had some serious practice at speed-field-stripping that weapon. Probably pretty good at cleaning it, too. That bit of detail work tends to be more important than simply field stripping. Wouldn't make for a good video though. Quite boring and takes a long time to do properly.

you should see the competition the armorers have with M9s... a buddy of mine stripped and reassembled one in 5 seconds flat. No joke... I had to ask "Why?" though...

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Post by Guest on Wed 19 Mar 2008 - 20:48

That little girl definitely wins the RL-GSG contest. Smile

@boomer: Right! I actually watched an episode or two of that (in no particular order), but it totally slipped my mind. But, I still think it's a dog... Is it a dog or a cat?


p.s. - Can anyone confirm the authenticity of these grenades? At the end they throw a bunch in a way that leaves them pretty unprotected and they should be dead if they were real, but then again all I know about grenades comes from hollywood adn that's not a reliable sources.

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Post by Nachtsider on Wed 19 Mar 2008 - 21:37

@boomer_gonz wrote:I mean she caught the shells in her cleavage for crying out loud.

How does one do that?

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Post by boomer_gonz on Wed 19 Mar 2008 - 21:44

3klicks wrote:That little girl definitely wins the RL-GSG contest. Smile

@boomer: Right! I actually watched an episode or two of that (in no particular order), but it totally slipped my mind. But, I still think it's a dog... Is it a dog or a cat?


p.s. - Can anyone confirm the authenticity of these grenades? At the end they throw a bunch in a way that leaves them pretty unprotected and they should be dead if they were real, but then again all I know about grenades comes from hollywood adn that's not a reliable sources.

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vp1Pdz5PiHQ&feature=related
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I think it's a dog and/or emergency food supply. Poor Menchi.
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Post by Sintendo on Wed 19 Mar 2008 - 21:51

Man, if I ever have kids, I'd like for them to be as enthusiastic about guns as that girl...

Anyways, lol, Pistol grips allow for firing from the hips!
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Post by Guest on Wed 19 Mar 2008 - 22:17

@Sintendo wrote:Man, if I ever have kids, I'd like for them to be as enthusiastic about guns as that girl...
give that girl time...in a year or two she'll find rifles non feminine and for boys-only...then put another year or so when she's into boys and bye bye gunslinger girl....

now if you're talking about international rifle, international pistol, and bullseye, I think many of the top shooters are all ladies. Yes, yes, they shoot better due to lower CG and less ego problem, but so what?

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Post by Sintendo on Wed 19 Mar 2008 - 22:29

I never specified about having a daughter.


A little derail here but... In fact, I actually would rather not have a daughter.

My dad always said he's glad that he has three boys instead of 1 girl. When I asked why, he responded with my favorite quote to come out of anyone's mouth: "If you have a son, you only have to worry about 1 penis. If you have a daughter, you have to worry about 2 billion penises."

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:WTFWTF: Guh? :lollol: 🇲🇸 pp..point taken. Your dad is a wise man

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Post by LoC978 on Wed 19 Mar 2008 - 23:18

@Nachtsider wrote:
@boomer_gonz wrote:I mean she caught the shells in her cleavage for crying out loud.
How does one do that?
Hugely muscled mammaries...? No... it's shonen physics. That pretty much explains the entire Grenadier series (or so I assume... never made it past the first episode).
3klicks wrote:p.s. - Can anyone confirm the authenticity of these grenades? At the end they throw a bunch in a way that leaves them pretty unprotected and they should be dead if they were real
I can pretty much guarantee those last few grenades weren't M67s. Even the ones they were more careful with didn't sound nearly loud enough. They all sounded like reusable trainers with replaceable explosive cores.
Laughing @armed yuppies...
...and I love how they call 'em "black" rifles. Nice little scare tactic... as if the 'DC snipers' couldn't have done just as much damage with a regular semiauto hunting rifle that fires .223 remington... the dumbasses should be more worried about tracking handguns.


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Post by Guest on Wed 19 Mar 2008 - 23:25

imho, both parties in the clip show ignorance. One portrays the color black, the pistol grip, and firing from the hip makes it more dangerous. I was just speechless at that point. However, I don't care how skilled the ladies are with an AR or how much the ergonomics fit women's body type, that is NOT a home defense firearm. Ok, if you live on a 20 acre land, probably it's a property defense tool...but in an urban neighborhood, utilizing a semiauto .223 will only result in lawsuits and more canon fodder for the anti-gun nuts!

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Post by LoC978 on Wed 19 Mar 2008 - 23:29

@wasyhuu wrote:that is NOT a home defense firearm. Ok, if you live on a 20 acre land, probably it's a property defense tool...but in an urban neighborhood, utilizing a semiauto .223 will only result in lawsuits and more canon fodder for the anti-gun nuts!
quoted for truth

...And yeah, every side of every argument that gets media coverage shows ignorance. Sadly, it's like America's bread and butter these days...
y'know, looking at history... I guess it's just humanity's bread and butter. Always gotta pick sides and line up neatly for the fight... I truly don't understand the reason behind it. I've had it 'explained' to me many a time, but I really can't see the motive.

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Post by Nachtsider on Wed 19 Mar 2008 - 23:38

You don't need a pistol grip to fire a weapon from your hip. The PPSh-41 didn't have a pistol grip, and it could be fired from the hip just fine.

'Black rifles' - what a riot. Would the fourth estate start railing against 'brown rifles' if the Beltway Snipers had used M-14s, or 'gray rifles' if the weapons in question were SAR-21s? Media articles on firearms should be produced by experienced professional shooters who actually know what they're talking about.

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Post by Sintendo on Wed 19 Mar 2008 - 23:46

The only firearms my dad and I use are his Mossberg shotgun (becase the KER-CHACK! + verbal warning is the first warning we plan to give), My M44 (that bayonet is scary as hell as well as the sounds the bolt makes when cycling... kinda like CHIK-CHERK-CHACK-CHIK!), and his 1911 (The only one we plan on firing if there is ever a home invasion).

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I know the M44 bit is kinda overdoing it, but hey, I don't have access to my dad's safe all the time, so it's the only choice I have when he's not around.
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Post by Sintendo on Wed 19 Mar 2008 - 23:49

@wasyhuu wrote:imho, both parties in the clip show ignorance. One portrays the color black, the pistol grip, and firing from the hip makes it more dangerous. I was just speechless at that point. However, I don't care how skilled the ladies are with an AR or how much the ergonomics fit women's body type, that is NOT a home defense firearm. Ok, if you live on a 20 acre land, probably it's a property defense tool...but in an urban neighborhood, utilizing a semiauto .223 will only result in lawsuits and more canon fodder for the anti-gun nuts!

Did the scary lady say she was using it for home defense?

I thought she just practiced at the range/hogan's alleys for sport...
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Post by Guest on Thu 20 Mar 2008 - 0:18

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@wasyhuu wrote:imho, both parties in the clip show ignorance. One portrays the color black, the pistol grip, and firing from the hip makes it more dangerous. I was just speechless at that point. However, I don't care how skilled the ladies are with an AR or how much the ergonomics fit women's body type, that is NOT a home defense firearm. Ok, if you live on a 20 acre land, probably it's a property defense tool...but in an urban neighborhood, utilizing a semiauto .223 will only result in lawsuits and more canon fodder for the anti-gun nuts!

Did the scary lady say she was using it for home defense?

I thought she just practiced at the range/hogan's alleys for sport...

I'm referring to the segment that says the rfile is recommended for home defense, particularly for women. I don't find the lady scary at all, but responsible instead. She reminds me of the few ladies who could beat me at the high power range when I just started.

I had this in mind when I thought of home defense with an assault rifle
http://youtube.com/watch?v=A5PrqQLWmoU cheers

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Post by Sintendo on Thu 20 Mar 2008 - 1:50

Oh.

Well, in general, rifles are bad for home defense. Too cumbersome, especially in California, since you can't have detachable mags...

Pistols and shotguns are the way to go.

Pistols because they're quick to deploy.

Shotguns because... well... they're fucking shotguns! No need to aim. Sure you'll damage you're property in the event you need to fire, but that's not likely to happen since the perp. will have already left or shit his pants.
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Post by Nachtsider on Thu 20 Mar 2008 - 2:25

How about carbines, Sin?

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Post by LoC978 on Thu 20 Mar 2008 - 2:53

the two big things about a home defense weapon: intimidation and mobility. carbines are fair at both.
However, pump-action shotguns excel at one, and handguns excel at the other.

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Post by Guest on Thu 20 Mar 2008 - 2:59

gotta put (over) penetration into consideration, which is why a rifle catridge is not the way to go. Consequently, carbines is out of the question. If some fellow who's a next door neighbor is bragging how his/her home is protected by a 5.56, 30-06, 7.62 or similar caliber on AK, AR, garand, etc. platform, I won't be comfortable at all and try my best to have a 'chat' with said fellow. Once again, this apply to normal urban/suburban home. If you lives in a castle, who cares if you use 20mm. *Also if you're among the privileged who can get the restricted LEMAS ammo, then you're GTG*

Statistics can have a say in this. For the last 25 years, how many cases of home defense using assault rifle of any kind have been documented vs. pistol and shotguns. Btw, if you want to have the luxury of not aiming with a shotgun, you have to choose proper shots and choke. Otherwise, you DO have to aim or at least apply some basic marksmanship.

Also, one big factor is KNOW the applicable law in your state. Castle doctrine vs. duty to retreat. Depending on which one applies, you may already be on the wrong side should you choose to get out of your bed, search for the poor bastard, and engage. Either way, it's wiser and tactically more sound to wait by the bed with shotgun, phone on stand-by after 911 is called. Then rack that scattergun and yell to the intruder to get out (police is on the way) or else. Of course, there are some places with signs that say "We don't call 911 here." Crimes seem low in these areas. YMMV

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Post by Sintendo on Thu 20 Mar 2008 - 5:53

@wasyhuu wrote:gotta put (over) penetration into consideration, which is why a rifle catridge is not the way to go.


Got a few shells filled with rock salt ready to go.

Inside the house it won't damage much, but it'll still scare the shit out of any intruder. Hell, even if he's past the 10 feet effective range, he'll be scared shitless at the fact he was shot at, lol.

If rock salt fails, we also have some less-than-lethal sandbag shots.
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Post by boomer_gonz on Thu 20 Mar 2008 - 10:14

@Sintendo wrote:Shotguns because... well... they're fucking shotguns! No need to aim. Sure you'll damage you're property in the event you need to fire, but that's not likely to happen since the perp. will have already left or shit his pants.

That's why I prefer slugs to shot. An 18 inch barrel will be at least as accurate as a .22. Also, I prefer pump to semi-auto mag in shotguns. A friend let me try his and the damn thing jammed. Shot shells are the absolutely last damn thing I need backfiring on (literally) me. It may have been a freak incidence, but it was enough to turn me away.

However, I wouldn't mind adding the drum attachment to my Mossberg. It's not exactly illegal in Cali, but the guy I go to get my tags from says I'm already pushing it with the A1 model, vented heat shroud, and bayonet. All items you can't buy, but can't not have in Cali.
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Post by LoC978 on Thu 20 Mar 2008 - 16:10

so, my ammo arrived today. never had any mailed to me before... the box they shipped it in makes sense, but also made me laugh my ass off:

500 rounds of 7.62x54R weigh a bit more than 11.25lbs...

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Post by Utsurokuri on Thu 20 Mar 2008 - 16:12

lol

Sorry the Jose part reminded me of Jeff Dunham's work. XD
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Post by LoC978 on Thu 20 Mar 2008 - 16:34

Jose the 54r round... on a steek!

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Post by Sakura on Thu 20 Mar 2008 - 19:58

So Jose Ole has a side job apart from selling taquitos....LOL Awesome!
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Post by Sintendo on Thu 20 Mar 2008 - 23:52

lol, cheaperthandirt?
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Post by LoC978 on Fri 21 Mar 2008 - 0:28

ayep.

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Post by Nachtsider on Fri 21 Mar 2008 - 4:06

Henrietta's gun and mobile. For sure.

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Post by Tommygunner70 on Fri 21 Mar 2008 - 6:11

@Sintendo wrote:

:colbert:

Sweet!

seriously though, its kinda overdoing it on the cuteness

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Post by Guest on Fri 21 Mar 2008 - 6:54

@Sintendo wrote:

:colbert:

I think this is more what Henrietta would like her gun to look like, and is continually begging Giuseppe to let her mod it to look like, but due to his desire for a shred of dignity, Giuse pretends she actually has never said anything of the sort, and buys her something expensive and distracting. XD It is the Christmas present she's eternally waiting for.

...Priscilla, on the other hand, is trying to get such color schemes instituted for every Fratello team.

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Post by Nachtsider on Fri 21 Mar 2008 - 6:56

Xenomorph Alpha wrote:Giuse pretends she actually has never said anything of the sort, and buys her something expensive and distracting.

Maybe that was how the Pupa perfume and fancy red coat turned up.

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