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Post by Nachtsider on Sat 9 Jun 2012 - 2:52

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So much for the DSR-1 being the ultimate sniper rifle, if this guy's legit.

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Post by Three Dog on Sat 9 Jun 2012 - 3:59

Yikes indeed, that thing sounds like a piece of crap. Looks cool though...



However, I can't fr the life of me figure out why it has two places to load the magazine. Unless the foward one is just to hold a spare magazine, since it's a bullpup.

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Post by Nachtsider on Sat 9 Jun 2012 - 4:02

Yeah, that thing's just a spare mag holder.

This report's left me pretty shocked, in light of how everyone prior has treated this thing like it's the second coming of Christ.

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Post by Alfisti on Sat 9 Jun 2012 - 4:03

Well I certainly don't know enough about guns, and sniper rifles even less-so than usual, to make comment.... but he doesn't seem to like it much does he?

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Post by Three Dog on Sat 9 Jun 2012 - 4:28

@Alfisti wrote:Well I certainly don't know enough about guns, and sniper rifles even less-so than usual, to make comment.... but he doesn't seem to like it much does he?
Hmm, how can I explain this...
Basically he says that if yu dan't screw the bolts back into place after 30 shots, the thing falls apart or thereabouts. At least that's what I gathered.

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Post by Awinnell on Sat 9 Jun 2012 - 8:28

L115A3 rifle,

3 hits at a range of 2,475 m (2,707 yd) ,two machine gunners and their gun,personally i think thats the best sniper rifle

The external ballistics software program JBM Ballistics predicts that the bullets of British high pressure .338 Lapua Magnum cartridges using 16.2 g (250 gr) Lapua LockBase B408 bullets fired at 936 m/s (3,071 ft/s) muzzle velocity under International Standard Atmosphere conditions at 1,043 m (3,422 ft) elevation (air density ρ = 1.069 kg/m3) and assuming a flat fire scenario and a 100 m (109 yd) zero arrive at 2,475 m (2,707 yd) after approximately 6.017 seconds flight time at 251.8 m/s (826 ft/s) velocity and have dropped 120.95 m (396.8 ft) or in angular units 48.9 milliradian (168 MOA) on their way. Harrison had to use the P4 reticle offering 0.5 mil spaced holdover hash marks in his 5-25x56 telescopic sight to compensate for the lack of vertical aiming correction and thus achieve the required aiming solution. The long horizontal line at 5x zoom or magnification represent 49.09 milliradian (168.6 MOA) or slightly over the required assumed vertical elevation.

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Post by Alfisti on Sat 9 Jun 2012 - 8:31

Destroyer of Worlds ;D wrote:
@Alfisti wrote:Well I certainly don't know enough about guns, and sniper rifles even less-so than usual, to make comment.... but he doesn't seem to like it much does he?
Hmm, how can I explain this...
Basically he says that if yu dan't screw the bolts back into place after 30 shots, the thing falls apart or thereabouts. At least that's what I gathered.
I do that with my old Alfa all the time, personally I don't see a problem.

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Post by Kiskaloo on Sat 9 Jun 2012 - 11:30

Kara has the DSR-1, but I guess I can move her to the Desert Tactical Arms Stealth Recon Scout or just give her the Walther WA 2000 in the armory.

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Post by crazyidiot78 on Sat 9 Jun 2012 - 13:24

I'm partial to the tac 50, denali, or the barret 50cal myself

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Post by ElfenMagix on Sat 9 Jun 2012 - 14:10

No M2, CI?

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Post by crazyidiot78 on Sat 9 Jun 2012 - 14:31

Well rico is more of a sniper but i think the M2 fits her personality.
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Post by Piero on Sat 9 Jun 2012 - 18:09

I've come across indications that the DSR-1 is heavy and expensive compared to some quite capable competition, but I don't remember it's durability and ability to maintain its accuracy getting slammed this hard.

While I'm not sure I'd write this off entirely, there are some things about this report that seem suspicious. For one thing it seem very strange that a Marine Scout Sniper platoon would be equipped with DSR-1's and Oberland M6s (a German built AR-10 style rifle) instead of standard issue USMC weaponry. Also while "it's used by an elite unit" may not be the be all and end all argument in this type of thing, I find it strange that a world class counter-terrorism unit like GSG-9 would be using these rifles if they couldn't even maintain their accuracy for more than about thirty rounds without maintenance. Do you really think GSG-9 snipers practice so little that they wouldn't notice a problem like that?

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Post by Three Dog on Sat 9 Jun 2012 - 22:56

@crazyidiot78 wrote:Well rico is more of a sniper but i think the M2 fits her personality.
Whack a rifle sight on that thing, switch to semi auto, and there's your sniper. And there's 900 rounds before you nedd to reload.
People were doing this in WWII and 'Nam. I'd give you some examples, but I pretty sure it's been talked about somewhere here before.

And if it's a 'big bang' you want, get the Denel-Mecham NTW 20mm. The explosive round is used to destroy radio towers and the like, and the armour piercing incendiary can shoot through not only a tank, but the tank behind it as well (this my be a slight exageration).

Though realistically speaking (and I'm assuming we're talking about Jean's Rico, so correct me if I'm wrong) since she's already familiar with the Dragunov SVD, just gove her the SVU variant. Basically the same, but it's bullpup, so better suited to the urban combat the cyborgs deal in. Or an M14 EBR with a Bete C-mag, not bullpup, but got's a lot of rounds. Or just any Battl rifle with a scope.

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Post by crazyidiot78 on Sun 10 Jun 2012 - 0:03

Sorry I meant the Denel 20mm earlier
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Post by Nachtsider on Sun 10 Jun 2012 - 0:22

@Piero wrote:I've come across indications that the DSR-1 is heavy and expensive compared to some quite capable competition, but I don't remember it's durability and ability to maintain its accuracy getting slammed this hard.

While I'm not sure I'd write this off entirely, there are some things about this report that seem suspicious. For one thing it seem very strange that a Marine Scout Sniper platoon would be equipped with DSR-1's and Oberland M6s (a German built AR-10 style rifle) instead of standard issue USMC weaponry. Also while "it's used by an elite unit" may not be the be all and end all argument in this type of thing, I find it strange that a world class counter-terrorism unit like GSG-9 would be using these rifles if they couldn't even maintain their accuracy for more than about thirty rounds without maintenance. Do you really think GSG-9 snipers practice so little that they wouldn't notice a problem like that?
The guy stated that he was a retired Scout Sniper, now working with a foreign unit.

As for GSG-9, who knows. I've seen instances of units around the globe being saddled and forced to make do with shit weapons due to politics (read: defence contracts and budget). Also, perhaps the rifle functions well in practice situations, but doesn't do well in the field.
Note further that the GSG-9, unlike the Marines, do not engage in operations on a super-regular basis.

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Post by boomer_gonz on Sun 10 Jun 2012 - 3:19

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Post by Piero on Sun 10 Jun 2012 - 11:40

@Nachtsider wrote:
@Piero wrote:I've come across indications that the DSR-1 is heavy and expensive compared to some quite capable competition, but I don't remember it's durability and ability to maintain its accuracy getting slammed this hard.

While I'm not sure I'd write this off entirely, there are some things about this report that seem suspicious. For one thing it seem very strange that a Marine Scout Sniper platoon would be equipped with DSR-1's and Oberland M6s (a German built AR-10 style rifle) instead of standard issue USMC weaponry. Also while "it's used by an elite unit" may not be the be all and end all argument in this type of thing, I find it strange that a world class counter-terrorism unit like GSG-9 would be using these rifles if they couldn't even maintain their accuracy for more than about thirty rounds without maintenance. Do you really think GSG-9 snipers practice so little that they wouldn't notice a problem like that?
The guy stated that he was a retired Scout Sniper, now working with a foreign unit.

As for GSG-9, who knows. I've seen instances of units around the globe being saddled and forced to make do with shit weapons due to politics (read: defence contracts and budget). Also, perhaps the rifle functions well in practice situations, but doesn't do well in the field.
Note further that the GSG-9, unlike the Marines, do not engage in operations on a super-regular basis.

Hmmm... he does say he's a former Scout Sniper, but he also describes himself as the commander of a scout-sniper platoon on a foreign project. While the "on a foreign project" bit could mean he's helping another country train a special unit, he describes himself as the commander, not an advisor.

DSR Precision is not Heckler & Koch, I suspect their political clout is pretty limited. And what sort of budget limitations gets your unit stuck with rifles that cost $20,000 a piece? (Even if that price includes the scope.)

The part about the rifle losing accuracy/zero every 20-30 rounds due to barrel bolts coming loose says nothing about the problem only cropping up under field conditions. It makes it sound like the rifle does this consistently just from being fired. And I think its safe to say that acquiring and maintaining the skills of a sniper in one of the best counter terrorism units in the world requires firing more than 20-30 rounds.

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Post by Officer_Charon on Mon 11 Jun 2012 - 15:01

Destroyer of Worlds ;D wrote:
@crazyidiot78 wrote:Well rico is more of a sniper but i think the M2 fits her personality.
Whack a rifle sight on that thing, switch to semi auto, and there's your sniper. And there's 900 rounds before you nedd to reload.
People were doing this in WWII and 'Nam. I'd give you some examples, but I pretty sure it's been talked about somewhere here before.


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Post by MP5 on Mon 11 Jun 2012 - 20:07

Destroyer of Worlds ;D wrote:
>M14 EBR
>Beta-C drum mag

Not a good idea. Snipers are not support gunners. Beta C-drums are for support gunners. They are also highly unreliable in the field (and many times, even in controlled conditions), therefore most troops carry standard 20-round mags for this reason. If for some reason you need to load your battle rifle with a drum magazine, then you fail as a sniper/designated marksman.

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Post by Three Dog on Mon 11 Jun 2012 - 20:18

@MP5 wrote:
Destroyer of Worlds ;D wrote:
>M14 EBR
>Beta-C drum mag

Not a good idea. Snipers are not support gunners. Beta C-drums are for support gunners. They are also highly unreliable in the field (and many times, even in controlled conditions), therefore most troops carry standard 20-round mags for this reason. If for some reason you need to load your battle rifle with a drum magazine, then you fail as a sniper/designated marksman.
That actually makes sense now that I think about it...

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Post by John_234 on Wed 13 Jun 2012 - 4:21

The DSR-1 is like the HK416 in that sense (no offense to HK fans) - the people who are most enamored with it probably have no chance of ever firing one.

That said, I'm not really surprised its bad. It's overdesigned. It looks like the leaders these days are AR-10 derivatives in .308 and high-end bolt guns with a conventional layout in .338 Lapua.

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