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Post by Kiskaloo on Tue 7 Aug 2012 - 13:47

@Professor Voodoo wrote:As far as fanfics go most of us have conceeded that some of the girls have mobile phones. I'm sure there's some pretty heavy restrictions placed on that too...


  • All phones must be turned over to the technology department to have monitoring equipment installed.
  • If a number is dialed, or a call received from a number that that's not on the Agency approved list, the Agency knows it immediately.
  • Smartphones have restrictions on websites that can be browsed. Parent-lock is nothing compared to Handler-lock.
  • All chat, text and instant message functions are monitored by the Agency.

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Re: Weapon Idiosyncrasies

Post by John_234 on Tue 7 Aug 2012 - 13:52

@Professor Voodoo wrote:
@Alfisti wrote:
@Professor Voodoo wrote:
@tremec6speed wrote:I can picture the two girls Yuki und Mercedes writing each other on the net even though they're only a few rooms away about rule # this and that, laughing as each tops the other back and forth! Razz
Jean: What the hell is wrong today? These range scores are terrible, the cyborgs are falling asleep in class and not one of them can complete the obstacle course with a reasonable time. It's like they're all zombies out there!

Ferro: I suggest we shut off the wireless intranet in the cyborg warehouse. (shows Jean her smart-phone) They've set up a "virtual tea party" chat group so they can continue gabbing & gossiping hours after lights-out time. Activity log reports they didn't quit messaging until 4am last night.

Jean:
Monty: Frankly I'm still at a loss as to why cyborgs even need internet, surely giving a bunch of teenagers access to the internet is just asking for security trouble.
That's why I was careful to specify intranet...no link to the outside web. I agree, realistically the cyborg dormitory should have no internet access, no TV cable and no phones that dial to the outside world...none of that stuff appears in canon.

As far as fanfics go most of us have conceeded that some of the girls have mobile phones. I'm sure there's some pretty heavy restrictions placed on that too...


  • All phones must be turned over to the technology department to have monitoring equipment installed.
  • If a number is dialed, or a call received from a number that that's not on the Agency approved list, the Agency knows it immediately.
  • Smartphones have restrictions on websites that can be browsed. Parent-lock is nothing compared to Handler-lock.
  • All chat, text and instant message functions are monitored by the Agency.

Amsel: Christ, don't give Marcus any ideas.

In all seriousness, Amsel and Luce probably have a relatively skewed look on how the RB works because they're not really used for intel work. They shoot people when they need to, and are more or less forgotten about otherwise.

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Post by Kurosaka "Ery" Erika on Tue 7 Aug 2012 - 17:02

Triela: the line has bee tapped you know....

(now someone explain me why triela using a phone in episode 10?)

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Post by Professor Voodoo on Tue 7 Aug 2012 - 17:26

KuroNeko wrote:
(now someone explain me why triela using a phone in episode 10?)
Do you mean one of these two scenes?

Chapter 5


Chapter 26

In both cases that's a land-line phone...they're talking to an approved Agency member...and the phone is still tapped for security.

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Post by Kurosaka "Ery" Erika on Tue 7 Aug 2012 - 17:31

Sherry: oh look, a telephone...
Ai; Let's prank someone..
*calling*
Jean: who's this ?
Sherry: your mother calling you from heaven.
Jean: *covering the mouthpiece* Ferro, trace this call, if this from heaven, i want to die NOW...

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Re: Weapon Idiosyncrasies

Post by John_234 on Tue 7 Aug 2012 - 18:27

@Professor Voodoo wrote:
KuroNeko wrote:
(now someone explain me why triela using a phone in episode 10?)
Do you mean one of these two scenes?

Chapter 5


Chapter 26

In both cases that's a land-line phone...they're talking to an approved Agency member...and the phone is still tapped for security.

Hey, that's just reality. Sometimes you have to make do even if circumstances are far from ideal.

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Post by Kiskaloo on Tue 7 Aug 2012 - 18:59

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Re: Weapon Idiosyncrasies

Post by Alfisti on Tue 7 Aug 2012 - 19:45

@Professor Voodoo wrote:That's why I was careful to specify intranet...no link to the outside web. I agree, realistically the cyborg dormitory should have no internet access, no TV cable and no phones that dial to the outside world...none of that stuff appears in canon.

As far as fanfics go most of us have conceeded that some of the girls have mobile phones. I'm sure there's some pretty heavy restrictions placed on that too...


  • All phones must be turned over to the technology department to have monitoring equipment installed.
  • If a number is dialed, or a call received from a number that that's not on the Agency approved list, the Agency knows it immediately.
  • Smartphones have restrictions on websites that can be browsed. Parent-lock is nothing compared to Handler-lock.
  • All chat, text and instant message functions are monitored by the Agency.

Point on intranet, I missed that. Frankly though, even then I could see a "cyborg" intranet being kept completely physically seperate from the Agency secure intranet, for obvious reasons. Either way it's going to be an IT nightmare waiting to happen.

As to the phone restrictions...

Monty: All sounds perfectly resonably to me. Probably worth adding that the handler should be able to find demostrable need for his cyborg to have a phone in the first place. Otherwise, why even take the risk to begin with?

Monty of course taking her usual view that broad spectrum "cyborgs shall/shall not" rulings don't apply to her, by virtue of being Monty... and in fairness, in this particular case, trying to apply restrictions and monitoring to her phone would be at cross purposes with her role.

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Post by Kurosaka "Ery" Erika on Tue 7 Aug 2012 - 20:09

@Kiskaloo wrote:Sherry: "Is your refrigerator running?"
Elenora Gabrielli: "Yes it is."
Sherry: "You'd better catch it then!"

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Post by Kurosaka "Ery" Erika on Tue 7 Aug 2012 - 20:20

@Alfisti wrote:
@Professor Voodoo wrote:That's why I was careful to specify intranet...no link to the outside web. I agree, realistically the cyborg dormitory should have no internet access, no TV cable and no phones that dial to the outside world...none of that stuff appears in canon.

As far as fanfics go most of us have conceeded that some of the girls have mobile phones. I'm sure there's some pretty heavy restrictions placed on that too...


  • All phones must be turned over to the technology department to have monitoring equipment installed.
  • If a number is dialed, or a call received from a number that that's not on the Agency approved list, the Agency knows it immediately.
  • Smartphones have restrictions on websites that can be browsed. Parent-lock is nothing compared to Handler-lock.
  • All chat, text and instant message functions are monitored by the Agency.

Point on intranet, I missed that. Frankly though, even then I could see a "cyborg" intranet being kept completely physically seperate from the Agency secure intranet, for obvious reasons. Either way it's going to be an IT nightmare waiting to happen.

As to the phone restrictions...

Monty: All sounds perfectly resonably to me. Probably worth adding that the handler should be able to find demostrable need for his cyborg to have a phone in the first place. Otherwise, why even take the risk to begin with?

Monty of course taking her usual view that broad spectrum "cyborgs shall/shall not" rulings don't apply to her, by virtue of being Monty... and in fairness, in this particular case, trying to apply restrictions and monitoring to her phone would be at cross purposes with her role.
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Post by dragonfire238 on Tue 7 Aug 2012 - 20:25

@Alfisti wrote:Point on intranet, I missed that. Frankly though, even then I could see a "cyborg" intranet being kept completely physically seperate from the Agency secure intranet, for obvious reasons. Either way it's going to be an IT nightmare waiting to happen.

As to the phone restrictions...

Monty: All sounds perfectly resonably to me. Probably worth adding that the handler should be able to find demostrable need for his cyborg to have a phone in the first place. Otherwise, why even take the risk to begin with?

Monty of course taking her usual view that broad spectrum "cyborgs shall/shall not" rulings don't apply to her, by virtue of being Monty... and in fairness, in this particular case, trying to apply restrictions and monitoring to her phone would be at cross purposes with her role.
yea I imagine that if anybody tried to put a bug on her phone then at her earliest convienance that phone would be destroyed and replaced
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Post by John_234 on Tue 7 Aug 2012 - 21:33

@dragonfire238 wrote:
@Alfisti wrote:Point on intranet, I missed that. Frankly though, even then I could see a "cyborg" intranet being kept completely physically seperate from the Agency secure intranet, for obvious reasons. Either way it's going to be an IT nightmare waiting to happen.

As to the phone restrictions...

Monty: All sounds perfectly resonably to me. Probably worth adding that the handler should be able to find demostrable need for his cyborg to have a phone in the first place. Otherwise, why even take the risk to begin with?

Monty of course taking her usual view that broad spectrum "cyborgs shall/shall not" rulings don't apply to her, by virtue of being Monty... and in fairness, in this particular case, trying to apply restrictions and monitoring to her phone would be at cross purposes with her role.
yea I imagine that if anybody tried to put a bug on her phone then at her earliest convienance that phone would be destroyed and replaced
I would think that sort of behavior gets people destroyed and replaced xD

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Re: Weapon Idiosyncrasies

Post by Alfisti on Tue 7 Aug 2012 - 22:07

@dragonfire238 wrote: yea I imagine that if anybody tried to put a bug on her phone then at her earliest convienance that phone would be destroyed and replaced
I don't think she'd need to in reality. Monty uses her phone for all sorts, and from a security perspective, the last thing J+M need is for it to be constantly transmitting back to the SWA... Not to mention I think Monty's built herself a bit of a rep for being boringly straight when it comes to the use of her work equipment, Jethro would be a bigger concern for misappropriation of SWA resources. Razz

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Post by John_234 on Tue 7 Aug 2012 - 22:10

Intelligence agencies are adept at breaking whatever rules they desire, anyway~

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Post by Kurosaka "Ery" Erika on Wed 8 Aug 2012 - 1:41

on the topic now, just like Triela, Yuki will wield a WW2 firearm in her disposal-

Type 99 Arisaka with bayonet(in the next chapter of my OC ff,i will depict how she get her prized gift,the arisaka bolt action rifle)

for Sherry-(M240B+M16A4 multiple attachment) she rolls out as the Support gunner+sniper+breacher+recon,you name it...she's the "jack of all trade"


and for Lorraine,

the Hecate suites her.

as for Garland the other hand,Springfield M1A battle rifle


Yamato
-Howa assault rifle

Kai-
same with Yamato,with specially mounted scope

Yuri-PKM pecheneg


the basic point why all of My OC using different weapon from the European firearm(except hecate) is all of the firearm mentioned above perfectly suited them....
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Post by Nachtsider on Wed 8 Aug 2012 - 1:57

Bear in mind: the Arisaka is only useful as a sniper weapon.

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Post by John_234 on Wed 8 Aug 2012 - 2:01

Most of those guns aren't particularly impractical.

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Post by Kurosaka "Ery" Erika on Wed 8 Aug 2012 - 2:09

@Nachtsider wrote:Bear in mind: the Arisaka is only useful as a sniper weapon.

that's right....did you read Yuki's dossier? she is an excellent sharpshooter/sniper/designated marksman
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Post by Kurosaka "Ery" Erika on Wed 8 Aug 2012 - 2:15

@John_234 wrote:Most of those guns aren't particularly impractical.

HOWA assault rifle-never exported out of japan.
Springfield M1A-obsolete compared to M14 ebr
M240B-better suit for Tank mounting rather than infantry support....
Arisaka- particularly firing 7mm cartridge
Hecate- why choose it when barrett m82a1 had more round....
Pecheneg- seems out of NATO firearm list....
M16A4- M4A1 is more useful....

yes...all the weapon aren't particularly impractical....
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Re: Weapon Idiosyncrasies

Post by Alfisti on Wed 8 Aug 2012 - 2:17

@John_234 wrote:Most of those guns aren't particularly impractical.
Seemed that way to me as well, but my knowledge doesn't go that far.

On that note, as a request from the gun illiterate to those posting here: could we have some explanation as to a) why the weapons posted are idiosyncratic/impractical in their intended role and b) why the decision was taken to use them anyway? ie. why do they suit the characters etc.

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Post by Three Dog on Wed 8 Aug 2012 - 2:23

@Alfisti wrote:
@Professor Voodoo wrote:That's why I was careful to specify intranet...no link to the outside web. I agree, realistically the cyborg dormitory should have no internet access, no TV cable and no phones that dial to the outside world...none of that stuff appears in canon.

As far as fanfics go most of us have conceeded that some of the girls have mobile phones. I'm sure there's some pretty heavy restrictions placed on that too...


  • All phones must be turned over to the technology department to have monitoring equipment installed.
  • If a number is dialed, or a call received from a number that that's not on the Agency approved list, the Agency knows it immediately.
  • Smartphones have restrictions on websites that can be browsed. Parent-lock is nothing compared to Handler-lock.
  • All chat, text and instant message functions are monitored by the Agency.



Point on intranet, I missed that. Frankly though, even then I could see a "cyborg" intranet being kept completely physically seperate from the Agency secure intranet, for obvious reasons. Either way it's going to be an IT nightmare waiting to happen.

As to the phone restrictions...

Monty: All sounds perfectly resonably to me. Probably worth adding that the handler should be able to find demostrable need for his cyborg to have a phone in the first place. Otherwise, why even take the risk to begin with?

Monty of course taking her usual view that broad spectrum "cyborgs shall/shall not" rulings don't apply to her, by virtue of being Monty... and in fairness, in this particular case, trying to apply restrictions and monitoring to her phone would be at cross purposes with her role.

Mercedes: Have you met my handler? He can pass just about anything off as training.

Barry: That's right. You see, there is the off chance that one of teh cyborgs may be captured, or monitored by another agency, foreign or domestic. For this purpose, Mercedes and I have been teaching them to speak in code over the phones and intranet. What you see or hear as mindless banter, is actually in dpth tactical analysis and planning.

Ferro: *disbelievingly* Then tell me what "Barry is the coolest!" means, then.

Barry: It's alerting the other cyborgs to my presence, but also noting that I'm in a good mood and they shouldn't mean to step around me or watch what they say when I'm near. If it had been, "Barry is so hot!" then it's stil an alert, and a warning that I'm in a bad mood. You see?



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Post by John_234 on Wed 8 Aug 2012 - 2:29

KuroNeko wrote:
@John_234 wrote:Most of those guns aren't particularly impractical.

HOWA assault rifle-never exported out of japan.
Springfield M1A-obsolete compared to M14 ebr
M240B-better suit for Tank mounting rather than infantry support....
Arisaka- particularly firing 7mm cartridge
Hecate- why choose it when barrett m82a1 had more round....
Pecheneg- seems out of NATO firearm list....
M16A4- M4A1 is more useful....

yes...all the weapon aren't particularly impractical....
HOWA: Point.
Springfield M1A: Lighter, more accurate and more readily available than the M14 EBR. I don't see your point.
M240B: The INFANTRY version of the M240, widely used in foot combat.
Arisaka: Been discussed.
Hecate: Bolt action. Has it's own benefits versus the Barrett.
Pecheneg: If the 7.62x54r is a common round in the area of operations, it makes sense.
M16A4: Readily available, much better stopping power than the M4. It has it's purposes, again.

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Post by dragonfire238 on Wed 8 Aug 2012 - 2:34

KuroNeko wrote:
@John_234 wrote:Most of those guns aren't particularly impractical.

HOWA assault rifle-never exported out of japan.
Springfield M1A-obsolete compared to M14 ebr
M240B-better suit for Tank mounting rather than infantry support....
Arisaka- particularly firing 7mm cartridge
Hecate- why choose it when barrett m82a1 had more round....
Pecheneg- seems out of NATO firearm list....
M16A4- M4A1 is more useful....

yes...all the weapon aren't particularly impractical....


sure the M240B is normally mounted on a vehicle but we always had at least two of them per platoon (1 per squad) when on a dismounted patrol so it was used plenty for infantry support. the M240D however wouldn't normally be seen dismounted as it has a butterfly trigger like the m2
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Post by Kurosaka "Ery" Erika on Wed 8 Aug 2012 - 3:33

that what i say before....it's not particularly impractical in my view....
and to my point of view(and some of MY OC)...the heavier the gun,the more easier to handle it....
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Post by Kurosaka "Ery" Erika on Wed 8 Aug 2012 - 3:42

Springfield M1A: Lighter, more accurate and more readily available than the M14 EBR. I don't see your point.(yes...that's why i think it's obsolete for a long range sharpshooter)
M240B: The INFANTRY version of the M240, widely used in foot combat.(yes....my country mount it on jeep)
Hecate: Bolt action. Has it's own benefits versus the Barrett.(you don't give fire suppression in tight space in italy...better suit the fragile and historical space in italy with one shot/kill)
M16A4: Readily available, much better stopping power than the M4. It has it's purposes, again.(always jam after firing many round...how would you refer it? the incomplete discharge of gunpowder in the M16 firing chamber....always a problem with the ljungman firing system...always hate it when i fire the M16...that's why i quit police cadet...beside the brass burn i get in my right arm...)


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Post by John_234 on Wed 8 Aug 2012 - 3:51

KuroNeko wrote:Springfield M1A: Lighter, more accurate and more readily available than the M14 EBR. I don't see your point.(yes...that's why i think it's obsolete for a long range sharpshooter)
M240B: The INFANTRY version of the M240, widely used in foot combat.(yes....my country mount it on jeep)
Hecate: Bolt action. Has it's own benefits versus the Barrett.(you don't give fire suppression in tight space in italy...better suit the fragile and historical space in italy with one shot/kill)
M16A4: Readily available, much better stopping power than the M4. It has it's purposes, again.(always jam after firing many round...how would you refer it? the incomplete discharge of gunpowder in the M16 firing chamber....always a problem with the ljungman firing system...always hate it when i fire the M16)
You misunderstand. The M14 EBR in most respects is worse than the M1A.
The jams you cite with the M16 are no different from the M4.

Anyway, I think I'll drop the topic.

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Post by Kurosaka "Ery" Erika on Wed 8 Aug 2012 - 3:59

before that.....M4 quickly overheat,m16 are such long assault rifle,impractical to CQB(unless using shorter barrel,which pain in the neck changing it)...and that's my final shot of the excuse behind of the firearm option for my cyborg...psychologically..in my point...the worse the gun,the more cautious it is for us to fire it.

M240 use 7.62...wild recoil there...


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Post by Kurosaka "Ery" Erika on Wed 8 Aug 2012 - 4:07

i would rather let Ichiroku wield FN FNC
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Post by tremec6speed on Thu 9 Aug 2012 - 0:50

KuroNeko wrote:Yuki: Rule number 46: if the bird is noisy, KILL IT

Ai
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Yuki: uh...i dunno....this forum is pretty damn intense...
(security watching, listening and intercepting the net secretly report report anything that could mean trouble)
Cyborg Yuki just stated that she means to quote: 'KILL THE NOISY BIRD' end quote. I think we have an uprising in the making. Notify Chief Lorenzo on the double!!
Lorenzo: Hey, who she calling a nosy 'ol bird?!
(mumbling to himself) Surely they're not referring to that day I accidentally entered Jethro's make-shift office space while Monty was changing.....honest! sweat Embarassed
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Post by Kurosaka "Ery" Erika on Thu 9 Aug 2012 - 3:05

@tremec6speed wrote:
KuroNeko wrote:Yuki: Rule number 46: if the bird is noisy, KILL IT

Ai
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Yuki: uh...i dunno....this forum is pretty damn intense...
(security watching, listening and intercepting the net secretly report report anything that could mean trouble)
Cyborg Yuki just stated that she means to quote: 'KILL THE NOISY BIRD' end quote. I think we have an uprising in the making. Notify Chief Lorenzo on the double!!
Lorenzo: Hey, who she calling a nosy 'ol bird?!
(mumbling to himself) Surely they're not referring to that day I accidentally entered Jethro's make-shift office space while Monty was changing.....honest!
Ferro: He's a nosy 'old bird all right!
Tea: Yup....

Sherry: hey Henrietta, didn't you heard ? Yuki-san now under quarantine....they say that she was chatting something about rule this rule that....
Henrietta: yea i heard about that....wonder who she was chatting to that night...*glance to Mercedes*
Mercedes: uhm...no comment... *run away as she saw some big guy chasing her....*
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Post by Three Dog on Thu 9 Aug 2012 - 3:48

KuroNeko wrote:
@tremec6speed wrote:
KuroNeko wrote:Yuki: Rule number 46: if the bird is noisy, KILL IT

Ai
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Yuki: uh...i dunno....this forum is pretty damn intense...
(security watching, listening and intercepting the net secretly report report anything that could mean trouble)
Cyborg Yuki just stated that she means to quote: 'KILL THE NOISY BIRD' end quote. I think we have an uprising in the making. Notify Chief Lorenzo on the double!!
Lorenzo: Hey, who she calling a nosy 'ol bird?!
(mumbling to himself) Surely they're not referring to that day I accidentally entered Jethro's make-shift office space while Monty was changing.....honest!
Ferro: He's a nosy 'old bird all right!
Tea: Yup....

Sherry: hey Henrietta, didn't you heard ? Yuki-san now under quarantine....they say that she was chatting something about rule this rule that....
Henrietta: yea i heard about that....wonder who she was chatting to that night...*glance to Mercedes*
Mercedes: uhm...no comment... *run away as she saw some big guy chasing her....*

Mercedes: *Jumps through a window, grabs onto the guttering, and swings herself onto the roof. Slipping on a pirate hat* You'll always remeber this as they day you almost caught Captain Mercedes Sparrow! *shouting over her shoulder while on the run* Rule 10: Sometimes the only way out is through. . . through the wall.

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KuroNeko wrote:Jean:we h=give her to much coffee...Get the tranquilizer!
Mercedes: i will never surrender is i'm..*shot at the back by tranquilizer* ....CAPTAIN...Merceeedeeeesss..sparrooowwwwww...*passed out*

Mercedes: *wakes up in the quarantine room, cuffed to a chair* Augh, that's the last time I jump out Claes' window. *makes a choking noise and coughs up a firing pin and uncuffs herself* Come on Yuki, we're getting outta here!

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Post by Kurosaka "Ery" Erika on Thu 9 Aug 2012 - 4:55

Yuki: Rule number 66: mess with Liam Nelson,you're screwed man....
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Post by Three Dog on Thu 9 Aug 2012 - 6:50

Mercedes: Rule 11: Everything is air dropable at least once.



Maybe these rule things need their own thread, yes?

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Post by Kurosaka "Ery" Erika on Thu 9 Aug 2012 - 7:14

agree....maybe you should start a new one...
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Post by Alfisti on Thu 9 Aug 2012 - 7:23

KuroNeko wrote:agree....maybe you should start a new one...
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Post by Kiskaloo on Thu 9 Aug 2012 - 9:54

Honestly, this thread has been derailed enough that folks just need to either make an effort to bring it back on topic by posting relevantly, or just let it run as-is.

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Post by dragonfire238 on Thu 9 Aug 2012 - 11:08

A lot of these rules are similiar to murphy's law of combat
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Post by tremec6speed on Thu 9 Aug 2012 - 19:10

@Alfisti wrote:
@John_234 wrote:Most of those guns aren't particularly impractical.
Seemed that way to me as well, but my knowledge doesn't go that far.

On that note, as a request from the gun illiterate to those posting here: could we have some explanation as to a) why the weapons posted are idiosyncratic/impractical in their intended role and b) why the decision was taken to use them anyway? ie. why do they suit the characters etc.
I'm not knowledgeable in all things gun either, but this is a good question and if I may offer my humble opinion, at least in my cy-droids case Ayden, it's impractical because there might be innocents involved or, fragile and important pieces of equipment that may be destroyed with a fast firing shotgun.
As to why is it allowed anyway, Ayden knows her handler. He goes by the book, but if there is no specific rule as to whether something can or cannot be done, little Ayden detects grey area and runs with it, in this case pointing out every now and then that Jean did not specifically say she cannot use her Saiga 12 against relatively few targets, so her handler emotionless as usual, nods ok and the child beams knowing once more she got away with doing what she wanted. However, when Jean tells Gunther something is not allowed, he never bends the rules for her and no amount of crying and complaining can change that. Razz
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Post by Kurosaka "Ery" Erika on Fri 10 Aug 2012 - 0:13

Victoria Malashenko: SPAS-12 and Benelli M3 are good...BUT I NEED SAIGA AND AA-12
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Post by Il Direttore on Fri 10 Aug 2012 - 0:53

Well, I've been toying with a new OC lately, and I've got this urge to give her a custom made 30mm rifle with HEIAP or DU ammo...

Assuming it doesn't shatter suspension of disbelief, I think the impracticality of such a weapon is already patently obvious, not the least of which is a very real possibility of the cyborg getting blown backwards off her feet from the recoil.

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Post by dragonfire238 on Fri 10 Aug 2012 - 1:09

El Conservatore wrote:Well, I've been toying with a new OC lately, and I've got this urge to give her a custom made 30mm rifle with HEIAP or DU ammo...

Assuming it doesn't shatter suspension of disbelief, I think the impracticality of such a weapon is already patently obvious, not the least of which is a very real possibility of the cyborg getting blown backwards off her feet from the recoil.

so basically you want to give her a souped up lahti
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Post by Kurosaka "Ery" Erika on Fri 10 Aug 2012 - 1:11

what's the name of that BMP-2 cannon? ah S#!t...i forgot it...
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Post by Three Dog on Fri 10 Aug 2012 - 5:44

@dragonfire238 wrote:A lot of these rules are similiar to murphy's law of combat

I'm stealing most of mine from Schlock Mercenary ^_^

Mercedes was basically trained with movies and comics. Razz

@dragonfire238 wrote:
El Conservatore wrote:Well, I've been toying with a new OC lately, and I've got this urge to give her a custom made 30mm rifle with HEIAP or DU ammo...

Assuming it doesn't shatter suspension of disbelief, I think the impracticality of such a weapon is already patently obvious, not the least of which is a very real possibility of the cyborg getting blown backwards off her feet from the recoil.

so basically you want to give her a souped up lahti

You never know, teh cyborgs may have to fight tanks... or giant space robots or something

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Post by Kurosaka "Ery" Erika on Fri 10 Aug 2012 - 6:05

and that role(anti tank) will be held by yuki(PTRD antimaterial rifle) and Sherry (m16a4 m203 with 40mm HEAT round)
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Post by Kiskaloo on Fri 10 Aug 2012 - 9:17

El Conservatore wrote:Well, I've been toying with a new OC lately, and I've got this urge to give her a custom made 30mm rifle with HEIAP or DU ammo...

A 30mm canon is not man-portable, even by a cyborg. Smile Besides, you can get Armor-Piercing-Explosive-Incendiary and Saboted Light Armor Penetrator rounds for both .50 BMG and 20mm anti-material rifles.

Depleted Uranium Saboted penetrators only work at very high speeds - hence it is almost exclusively used in Saboted Penetrator rounds for Main Battle Tank canons. The GAU-8 Avenger canon from the Fairchild Republic A-10 Thunderbolt II attack plane uses DU 30 mm PGU-14/B armour-piercing incendiary rounds, but that weapon weighs almost 300 kilos and is 6 meters in length. And when it is fired, it damn near stops the forward momentum of the plane.

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Post by Il Direttore on Fri 10 Aug 2012 - 9:36

Well... the Hughes Chain Gun weighs 55.6 kg, and it fires a 30x113 mm shell at 625 rpm. You probably lose at least 15 kg if you strip away hydraulics and electrical components, so you could feasibly have a 40.6 kg single shot/magazine fed bolt action rifle. That's an 89.5 lb weapon, and we know that Beatrice can lift at least 300+ kg (that warhead looks like it came from an SRBM; the Russians have a variety with a 550 kg warhead) and THROW it out a window, so it doesn't seem implausible that such a weapon, if custom designed for a cyborg, could work.

Unless we're talking about how the recoil would probably throw someone off their feet, whereupon I enact the Rule of Cool.

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Post by Kurosaka "Ery" Erika on Fri 10 Aug 2012 - 10:16

keep in mind, Beatrice throw the missile after she was shot...
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Post by Il Direttore on Fri 10 Aug 2012 - 10:23

She was lifting it before she was shot. If nothing else, she can lift that much weight. If she had a tripod or something brace it against, I have no doubt that she could stabilize something of that much mass and fire it accurately.

On the other hand, Kisk pointed out in the chat that despite the capacity to frankenstein/design a gun that could fire 30mm rounds and be used by a cyborg, the sheer overkill makes it not very useful.

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Post by Kurosaka "Ery" Erika on Fri 10 Aug 2012 - 10:43

even the bushmaster chaingun make the LAV-25 and M2 bradley goes vibrate wildly from the chaingun recoil....
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Post by Il Direttore on Fri 10 Aug 2012 - 10:49

Full auto there, mate. I'm talking a single shot or magazine fed, bolt-action rifle with a tripod to brace against.

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Post by Kurosaka "Ery" Erika on Fri 10 Aug 2012 - 10:53

even one shot....
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Post by Alfisti on Fri 10 Aug 2012 - 11:40

El Conservatore wrote:Full auto there, mate. I'm talking a single shot or magazine fed, bolt-action rifle with a tripod to brace against.
Single shot, 30mm... as in: ?



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Post by Kurosaka "Ery" Erika on Fri 10 Aug 2012 - 11:44

she's a vampire..no exception...
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Post by maverick375 on Fri 10 Aug 2012 - 16:43

I know it was ages ago (three days?) but I feel compelled to add some points about the Nagant Revolver.
-The cylinder of the revolver moves forward as the trigger is stroked, but it is actually the cartridge itself that seals against the barrel. This is how a suppressor can function on it, and it was in fact done back during WWII and Vietnam.
-The Nagant cartridge is unique, to say the least, being designed specifically to aid in manufacturing the gun itself by using the same boring tools as the Mosin Nagant rifles. Hence why it is chambered in 7.62. The base of the cartridge looks very similar to the 7.62x54R as well.
-The performance of the revolver is a mixed bag. The triggers are notoriously stiff (upwards of 16 lbs) due to the spring-action required for the cylinder. Reloading is slow due to the use of a single-action loading gate and extraction system. Current production ammo is equated to about the 32ACP in power, though the original ammunition designed for it had considerably more power and rivals the 32H&R Magnum in performance.

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Post by John_234 on Tue 21 Aug 2012 - 15:21

We've discussed the 30mm weapon. In short, a bespoke, way overkill weapon like that doesn't really fit the nature of GSG... unless you're really universe-bending.

If you want to go that big, just use a recoiless rifle. Seriously.

About .32 ACP, there's quite a few conversion cylinders available for Nagants, though they wouldn't be able to run a suppressor in .32 ACP for the reasons Maverick said.


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Post by ElfenMagix on Thu 23 Aug 2012 - 15:41

I'm in total agreement with Mav and John_234.

And what's wrong with the .32ACP? The gun is only as good as the idiot behind the trigger. Yes, there is a thing about power behind the bullet, but if you got a 30mm rifle and you cant hit the broad side of a squared barn, then why use it at all? You're just wasting bullets!

As for silencing, there is common sense here. A semi auto magazine fed pistol will provide the best silencing options out there. As for the Nagant, parts wear down. With the strength of a cyborg finger pulling on a 16lb trigger load, it will wear out very quickly, if not break in the first few shots fired. With a simple pistol, point and shoot with a 5lb or lighter trigger load.

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