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Post by PolosElite23 on Sun 28 Jul 2013 - 2:37

So, as these ideas naturally occur, in chat we got on the topic of alternitive "guns" that aren't of the usual caliber. 

These don't even have one.


Railguns, Coil guns and the like. Here were a few of our ideas and such. Feel free to add.


A nice Railgun: http://www.instructables.com/id/Make-poweful-a-green-railgun/

Pulse Lazer Gun: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUXXGbNS8oY

A Gauss Rifle: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVgbtqsmx54

Coil gun in a Longshot: http://nerfhaven.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=14553

A Crossbow that shoots Mini Saw blades: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBVybnfmTIs

And another (more compact) Lazer Gun: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxM6SEzKFIo


Practical...maybe not, fun...yes.

Plus we've also found something for Claes to do in her spare time. Razz

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Post by Awinnell on Sun 28 Jul 2013 - 6:32

great toys, but not really weapons, to make any of these lethal requires gigawatts of power, the US Navy is testing a coil gun for its ships but said ship will have to have large capacitor banks and increased electrical output to fire it,
 they also have a ship mounted laser capable of shooting down enemy drones (read Iranian there !) but it take several seconds to work and is useless against multiple targets

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Post by Il Direttore on Sun 28 Jul 2013 - 14:23

@Awinnell wrote:...to make any of these lethal requires gigawatts of power...

Not really. 

The reason why an impact is lethal to a human being can be summarized to two main things: penetration and crushing. 

Penetration refers to when an impact or projectile hits and goes into or through a person. This can be seen with basically any tool ever, ranging from darts to arrows to bullets. All of these work by hitting something that bleeds a lot, and all of the coilguns/railguns listed above are fully capable of doing so if designed correctly. Not to mention that they're fully capable of delivering projectiles that are packed with explosives. 

Crushing refers to a blow that simply pulverizes something important. Whereas puncturing usually cuts, crushing makes inoperative through noncohesion. This can be seen in maces and other such heavy weapons used to shatter limbs and skulls, but these weapons are also capable of shattering the breastbone and making nearly impossible to breath or pulverizing the spleen and making you bleed out from internal hemorrhaging. Again, all that is really necessary is a good knowledge of the physics and the hardware to pull it off. 

I must admit that the lasers aren't lethal off the bat, but they still have their uses. Torture, specifically, as very bright lights can and will destroy your retinas. The pain is immense as well, especially if you dilate their pupils before hand. Flash one of these intermittently into an uncooperative enemy and watch them scream....

The reason why these sorts of deals haven't been pursued is that there's no reason when we already have silenced pistols and rifles that are very predictable and can be taught easily. Just because it doesn't instantly vaporize you or have the kinetic energy capable of punching through several inches of armor steel doesn't mean that it can't kill you.

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Post by BleepinFireman on Sun 28 Jul 2013 - 16:58

@Awinnell wrote:great toys, but not really weapons, to make any of these lethal requires gigawatts of power, the US Navy is testing a coil gun for its ships but said ship will have to have large capacitor banks and increased electrical output to fire it,
 they also have a ship mounted laser capable of shooting down enemy drones (read Iranian there !) but it take several seconds to work and is useless against multiple targets

 Thy Navy of the US is using a Railgun, which is kind of similar, and the Airforce is also Us ina a liser mounted on a jet to shoot down ICBM's
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Post by ElfenMagix on Sun 28 Jul 2013 - 22:17

Too much for so little.

What ever happened to ground up essence of Monarch Butterfly in food or drink?

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Post by Nachtsider on Mon 29 Jul 2013 - 7:41

Call me old-fashioned, but I'll stick to gunpowder weapons. I like the effect that bullets have on flesh and bone.

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Post by BleepinFireman on Mon 29 Jul 2013 - 11:21

@Nachtsider wrote:Call me old-fashioned, but I'll stick to gunpowder weapons. I like the effect that bullets have on flesh and bone.

 You could do the same with electrically powered weapons i.e: Railguns, Coilguns, etc.
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Post by Officer_Charon on Mon 29 Jul 2013 - 11:45

Not taking anything away from you post or your ideas...

but like Nacht, I'm a bit old-fashioned. There's something about the poetry of the whisper of a blade parting flesh, counterpointed by the soft music of expelled air burbling through blood from a freshly-parted trachea.

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Post by mysterybad on Mon 29 Jul 2013 - 11:52

@Nachtsider wrote:Call me old-fashioned, but I'll stick to gunpowder weapons. I like the effect that bullets have on flesh and bone.

Me too .

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Post by Il Direttore on Mon 29 Jul 2013 - 14:18

Well, maybe I'm also old-fashioned, because a well made arrow, its head forged out of high quality carbon steel, sailing through the air at high velocity and punching into a target with a dull thud...

This is something of a symphony of beautiful things. The combination of the Human Element with the craftsmanship of the arrow and (cross)bow is quite poetic, as far as murder methods go. So why not super charge the shit out of the launch mechanism?

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Post by BleepinFireman on Mon 29 Jul 2013 - 16:12

Make a Railgun that shoots arrows then

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Post by ElfenMagix on Mon 29 Jul 2013 - 23:29

The power to run a hand sized Railgun would be bigger than the taco truck I get lunch from.

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Post by Il Direttore on Mon 29 Jul 2013 - 23:33

Erm... 

You're still thinking about "vaporize target upon impact". I'm saying that I can make a railgun or coilgun that launches projectiles at about 250 m/s fairly easily.

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Post by BleepinFireman on Tue 30 Jul 2013 - 1:17

I have made a railgun that has a electrical output of 5600 J

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Post by Odon on Tue 30 Jul 2013 - 5:47

Reminds me of an idea I had where a couple of hoods win the Darwin Award when they fire a bizarre raygun weapon at a cyborg to no affect.  When they examine it back at the Agency, they realise it's one of those "EMP guns" you can supposedly build from information on the internet.

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Post by mysterybad on Tue 30 Jul 2013 - 6:10

@Il Direttore wrote:Erm... 

You're still thinking about "vaporize target upon impact". I'm saying that I can make a railgun or coilgun that launches projectiles at about 250 m/s fairly easily.

 7,62X39mm round : 730.3 m/s

 9x39mm round : 280 m/s

 Cheaper and more effective

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Post by Il Direttore on Tue 30 Jul 2013 - 14:25

1000 rounds of 7.62X39 in the US costs between 150 and 250 USD. It will cost me 14 USD to buy 1250 2.00 inch long nails that can and will kill you just as well if shot out at 250 m/s. ( http://www.mcmaster.com/#standard-nails/=nukwyl )

Considering a situation where your target is unarmored (hence "assassination" and not "battlefield conditions"), all you really need to do to kill someone is break the skin and hit something vital. Considering that the abdomen is full of things that bleed a lot, this shouldn't be that difficult.

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Considering also that a high quality crossbow will still kill the shit out of you, it really, truly shouldn't be difficult to create a system that can achieve at least enough velocity that some sort of sharpened piece of metal with fins on the end will end your life. Hell, I could make such a weapon with some steel rods, sheet metal, a bit of welding, and a table grinder!

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Post by BleepinFireman on Tue 30 Jul 2013 - 23:34

Or I could use a railgun that literally shoot anything like a bolt as long as it can go down the barrel

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Post by mysterybad on Wed 31 Jul 2013 - 1:17

@Il Direttore wrote:1000 rounds of 7.62X39 in the US costs between 150 and 250 USD.

WOW.it's really too cheap... How about 5.56x45mm NATO?

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Post by Alfisti on Wed 31 Jul 2013 - 6:54

I'm a bit with OC and Nacht on this one: I prefer more the careful application of tools already available by a skilled operative over new tools and whizz-bangery... if that makes sense.

That said, if it sounds like it could have come out of a spy novel, I'm a bit more interested. Always been a bit of a fan of the umbrella gun.

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Post by PolosElite23 on Wed 31 Jul 2013 - 10:56

@Alfisti wrote:I'm a bit with OC and Nacht on this one: I prefer more the careful application of tools already available by a skilled operative over new tools and whizz-bangery... if that makes sense.

That said, if it sounds like it could have come out of a spy novel, I'm a bit more interested. Always been a bit of a fan of the umbrella gun.

Or instead of a bullet stick some poison in there. The KBG did it so why couldn't the SWA. There's also the classic Cane Gun.

But don't forget things like Pens, Flashlights and such that they hide guns in. They scan phones because in Britain they found a phone that had four barrels hidden inside. Plus you can stick needles in things like pens, umbrellas (meintoned above) and all sorts of stuff.

Also back in WWII they'd stick knives in things like coins, boots, and even pencils. So getting past and using those as a way of killing someone is a good way.

You've also got the spray gun that was used to kill Ukrainian Nationalist leaders Lev Rebet and Stepan Bandera by shooting cyanide into their face. Made it look like a heart attack.

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Post by ElfenMagix on Wed 31 Jul 2013 - 21:52

@Il Direttore wrote:Erm... 

You're still thinking about "vaporize target upon impact". I'm saying that I can make a railgun or coilgun that launches projectiles at about 250 m/s fairly easily.

I'm talking, "After a few shots, your batteries die and then what? You still have a large battery to lug about."

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Post by ElfenMagix on Wed 31 Jul 2013 - 22:02

@PolosElite23 wrote:
@Alfisti wrote:I'm a bit with OC and Nacht on this one: I prefer more the careful application of tools already available by a skilled operative over new tools and whizz-bangery... if that makes sense.

That said, if it sounds like it could have come out of a spy novel, I'm a bit more interested. Always been a bit of a fan of the umbrella gun.

Or instead of a bullet stick some poison in there. The KBG did it so why couldn't the SWA. There's also the classic Cane Gun.

But don't forget things like Pens, Flashlights and such that they hide guns in. They scan phones because in Britain they found a phone that had four barrels hidden inside. Plus you can stick needles in things like pens, umbrellas (meintoned above) and all sorts of stuff.

Also back in WWII they'd stick knives in things like coins, boots, and even pencils. So getting past and using those as a way of killing someone is a good way.

You've also got the spray gun that was used to kill Ukrainian Nationalist leaders Lev Rebet and Stepan Bandera by shooting cyanide into their face. Made it look like a heart attack.

I have made pen guns in High School Machine Shop and they were stable to a point and you only have one shot.

Cyanide to the face will not make it look like a heart attack, it will make it like Cyanide Poisoning which is traceable. Only powdered essence of Monarch Butterfly or concentrated Milk Weed Powder will make it look like a heart attack because such compounds works by shorting out the heart's circuitry for the duration it is in the blood stream. It wears off about a half hour later but chances are you are not going to survive that long as your heart spasm in your chest.

It only takes .5% damage (to the right place) to kill a human. By contrast you need to destroy over 12% to kill a household cat. An exploding .22 to the Aorta is enough to make sure your victim wont survive the ambulance ride.

Taking knife and putting it in a garlic pickle solution until the garlic is incorporated into the knife's metal will make a cut to human flesh that will never heal. You would need to remove the flesh around the wound and stitch it up. Its really nasty stuff.

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Post by PolosElite23 on Wed 31 Jul 2013 - 22:29

Also don't forget a triangular shaped blade. They're outlawed because you can't repair the damage, you can't sow a triangular shaped wound shut.

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Post by Il Direttore on Wed 31 Jul 2013 - 22:48

@ElfenMagix wrote:
@Il Direttore wrote:Erm... 

You're still thinking about "vaporize target upon impact". I'm saying that I can make a railgun or coilgun that launches projectiles at about 250 m/s fairly easily.

I'm talking, "After a few shots, your batteries die and then what? You still have a large battery to lug about."

First, that is a RADICALLY different argument than "I need to carry around a taco van". 

Second, "assassination" is not "gunfight". The idea here is strictly in regards to one shot one kill engagements, where the presumption is that you've managed to set up your target to pull it off. If I'm going to be in a protracted battle, this is obviously stupid, but if I'm going to kill one person, I can certainly have a rig that propels my projectile at high enough speeds that it'll kill someone. A crossbow only shoots at something like 100 m/s, after all.

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Post by ElfenMagix on Wed 31 Jul 2013 - 23:33

@Il Direttore wrote:
@ElfenMagix wrote:
@Il Direttore wrote:Erm... 

You're still thinking about "vaporize target upon impact". I'm saying that I can make a railgun or coilgun that launches projectiles at about 250 m/s fairly easily.

I'm talking, "After a few shots, your batteries die and then what? You still have a large battery to lug about."

First, that is a RADICALLY different argument than "I need to carry around a taco van". 

Second, "assassination" is not "gunfight". The idea here is strictly in regards to one shot one kill engagements, where the presumption is that you've managed to set up your target to pull it off. If I'm going to be in a protracted battle, this is obviously stupid, but if I'm going to kill one person, I can certainly have a rig that propels my projectile at high enough speeds that it'll kill someone. A crossbow only shoots at something like 100 m/s, after all.

 Only a cyborg can carry a taco van to a site to a kill. It would draw too much attention.

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Post by Il Direttore on Thu 1 Aug 2013 - 0:16

Right, so since this apparently needs clarifying: 

The point of the thread is to ask "what are the alternatives and how can we use them?" Can we please cease the "right, so guns are always better" dialogue and move on to the other ways that don't involve a firearm?

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Post by ElfenMagix on Thu 1 Aug 2013 - 0:22

Any high tech is going to be out of reach economically. And no research lab is going to let their baby out until they think it is ready. Power supplies to run it, even a small one will be too big and preparing to use it, your target would walk away before you finish setting up.

Its not like you can go to the local market and pick up a 500 Joule energy weapon and then have it ready to use immediately.

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Post by ElfenMagix on Thu 1 Aug 2013 - 0:30

You want to kill somebody who is X yds or m away. You want it done quietly and quickly enough to draw attending to what happened and not have it point back at you. While that is happening, you are putting away your weapon and about to flee.

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Post by BleepinFireman on Thu 1 Aug 2013 - 1:10

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@Il Direttore wrote:Erm... 

You're still thinking about "vaporize target upon impact". I'm saying that I can make a railgun or coilgun that launches projectiles at about 250 m/s fairly easily.

I'm talking, "After a few shots, your batteries die and then what? You still have a large battery to lug about."

 You could carry capacitors that you would change out like a mag or clip
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Post by Thescarredman on Thu 1 Aug 2013 - 21:42

When it came to killing a man properly, Triela thought, there was nothing so satisfactory as the garrote.

Not that she got pleasure from killing people, she told herself, planting a knee between the shoulder blades of her victim – a Padan sentry who’d left his post to empty his bladder among the trees - as he dropped to his knees. She pressed hard, at the same time hauling back on the wooden handles connected by the cord around the man’s neck, holding him braced upright while the last seconds of his life ticked away.

No, she didn’t enjoy murder. But fighting and killing were her life’s work – what she was made for, in a manner of speaking – and it seemed only natural that she should take pride in doing her job right.

As useful as guns were, they had some drawbacks. Even suppressor-equipped ones made a little noise and flash, enough to possibly be noticed on a clear night far from city noises like this one. You could miss a vital area with your first shot, giving your target time to raise an alarm or do something unexpected. Bullet wounds could be messy, a consideration if your victim’s fate and whereabouts needed to go unnoticed as long as possible, a crucial factor in an infiltration – and a hazard even when using a knife.

But a garrote was different. The only tricky part was sneaking up behind your victim close enough to lay hands on his neck. But once that was done, everything went neatly and by the numbers. Just cross your wrists, flip the loop of cord around his neck, and start pulling. Crossing wrists not only increased leverage, it enabled you to completely encircle the victim’s neck with the cord, pinching off the blood vessels that supply the brain – much quicker and more effective than denying the lungs air. And a man with his head tight in a noose couldn’t cry out. It was all very quiet.

The victims’ reactions were completely predictable. Immediately they felt the cord tighten around their neck, they reached up with both hands in a futile attempt to loosen it.  Not only did they waste the half minute or so when they still had the potential to put up some kind of a fight, it pretty much tied up their hands, making her work even easier. Before long, they lost the strength to stand and went down, as this one had. Once that happened, it was just a matter of hanging on until it was over.

She could feel the Padan’s pulse in her hands, transmitted to the handles by the taut cord. It slowed, faded. But when it was nearly gone, and she was beginning to think of the job as about done, she felt a familiar and unpleasant sensation coming on, and she gritted her teeth and prepared to ride it out.

Once, when she and Claes had been alone in the conservatory, a man had come in to tune the piano. They’d long ago been given an approved cover story and drilled in proper behavior towards the occasional civilian on campus, and no doubt he’d been instructed to do his job and mind his business. But Claes’s insatiable curiosity had gotten the better of her as he’d opened his tool case and begun work, and his manner had warmed at the girl’s interest. From his case, he’d produced two tuning forks, and handed one to each girl. He’d tapped Claes’s with a tiny hammer, producing a high clear note, and instructed Triela to bring hers close while Claes’s was still ringing. To the girls’ surprise, as she’d brought it within a few centimeters, the untapped fork in Triela’s hand had begun to sing as well.

Triela supposed something like that must be happening now, because suddenly her hands hurt terribly, and she could feel the arteries In her neck thumping against an unseen restriction in time to the pulse in her hands. She could feel the cord biting into her flesh, shutting off her voice and air. Her vision darkened a little, yet at the same time, it seemed as if bright lights were shining into her eyes. And, far off, shouts and gunshots. The first time this had happened, she’d been so startled she’d slackened the cord, giving her victim two coughing gasps before she’d gotten her mind back in the game, and she’d had to almost start over with him.

 That wasn’t going to happen again, she’d promised herself. She kept tension on the cord, and forced her constricted throat muscles to relax; in a few moments she was breathing normally, and the man’s pulse disappeared. She held on until her nose told her it was over, then eased the corpse to the ground, rolled it quietly into the bushes, and moved on through the trees, silent as fog.
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Post by ElfenMagix on Thu 1 Aug 2013 - 21:49

@BleepinFireman wrote:
@ElfenMagix wrote:
@Il Direttore wrote:Erm... 

You're still thinking about "vaporize target upon impact". I'm saying that I can make a railgun or coilgun that launches projectiles at about 250 m/s fairly easily.

I'm talking, "After a few shots, your batteries die and then what? You still have a large battery to lug about."

 You could carry capacitors that you would change out like a mag or clip

A capacitor that can run a rail gun, even a small one would be about 4 to 6 times the size of an ammo magazine, or the size of a large soda or small thermos bottle. Thats not concealable unless in a large back pack. And if the leads of the capacitor short out enroute to the killing site, it will discharge explosive. I know, I had 2 1 Farad capacitors, now I have one.

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Post by PolosElite23 on Thu 1 Aug 2013 - 23:30

@Thescarredman wrote:
When it came to killing a man properly, Triela thought, there was nothing so satisfactory as the garrote.

Not that she got pleasure from killing people, she told herself, planting a knee between the shoulder blades of her victim – a Padan sentry who’d left his post to empty his bladder among the trees - as he dropped to his knees. She pressed hard, at the same time hauling back on the wooden handles connected by the cord around the man’s neck, holding him braced upright while the last seconds of his life ticked away.

No, she didn’t enjoy murder. But fighting and killing were her life’s work – what she was made for, in a manner of speaking – and it seemed only natural that she should take pride in doing her job right.

As useful as guns were, they had some drawbacks. Even suppressor-equipped ones made a little noise and flash, enough to possibly be noticed on a clear night far from city noises like this one. You could miss a vital area with your first shot, giving your target time to raise an alarm or do something unexpected. Bullet wounds could be messy, a consideration if your victim’s fate and whereabouts needed to go unnoticed as long as possible, a crucial factor in an infiltration – and a hazard even when using a knife.

But a garrote was different. The only tricky part was sneaking up behind your victim close enough to lay hands on his neck. But once that was done, everything went neatly and by the numbers. Just cross your wrists, flip the loop of cord around his neck, and start pulling. Crossing wrists not only increased leverage, it enabled you to completely encircle the victim’s neck with the cord, pinching off the blood vessels that supply the brain – much quicker and more effective than denying the lungs air. And a man with his head tight in a noose couldn’t cry out. It was all very quiet.

The victims’ reactions were completely predictable. Immediately they felt the cord tighten around their neck, they reached up with both hands in a futile attempt to loosen it.  Not only did they waste the half minute or so when they still had the potential to put up some kind of a fight, it pretty much tied up their hands, making her work even easier. Before long, they lost the strength to stand and went down, as this one had. Once that happened, it was just a matter of hanging on until it was over.

She could feel the Padan’s pulse in her hands, transmitted to the handles by the taut cord. It slowed, faded. But when it was nearly gone, and she was beginning to think of the job as about done, she felt a familiar and unpleasant sensation coming on, and she gritted her teeth and prepared to ride it out.

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Triela supposed something like that must be happening now, because suddenly her hands hurt terribly, and she could feel the arteries In her neck thumping against an unseen restriction in time to the pulse in her hands. She could feel the cord biting into her flesh, shutting off her voice and air. Her vision darkened a little, yet at the same time, it seemed as if bright lights were shining into her eyes. And, far off, shouts and gunshots. The first time this had happened, she’d been so startled she’d slackened the cord, giving her victim two coughing gasps before she’d gotten her mind back in the game, and she’d had to almost start over with him.

 That wasn’t going to happen again, she’d promised herself. She kept tension on the cord, and forced her constricted throat muscles to relax; in a few moments she was breathing normally, and the man’s pulse disappeared. She held on until her nose told her it was over, then eased the corpse to the ground, rolled it quietly into the bushes, and moved on through the trees, silent as fog.

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Re: Alternate Assassination Methods

Post by restonme on Fri 2 Aug 2013 - 1:51

I just had a great idea for a way to kill easier.
   it's a special bullet. much like most ammunition it has a primer, power and a slug. but instead of having an armor piercing or hollow point tip. it is basically a longer round. it would be as long as a standard .50 caliber but be much slimmer probably with a diameter smaller than that of a .22 caliber round. the "slug" would stick inside the casing almost a quarter of an inch and have fins. inside the slug would be a nice dose of neurotoxins and lethal chemicals. they would be released from the bullet as soon as it broke skin because of small needles in the front of the round in case it doesn't penetrate. no matter where you hit, as long as you had the right toxins, you could achieve an instantaneous death. the gun It would be fired from would be a sound and flash suppressed barrel that uses an electrical charge to set off the primer. because everything is made smaller it would easily be hidden after a raid or other attack as a pen in a diary or notepad or as a pencil in a girls backpack.

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Post by BleepinFireman on Fri 2 Aug 2013 - 14:21

Instead of a normal 'solid' bullet, make one that melts when it enters the person even though I don't know how it wouldn't melt when it exits the gun...

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Post by restonme on Fri 30 Aug 2013 - 23:20

@restonme wrote:I just had a great idea for a way to kill easier.
   it's a special bullet. much like most ammunition it has a primer, power and a slug. but instead of having an armor piercing or hollow point tip. it is basically a longer round. it would be as long as a standard .50 caliber but be much slimmer probably with a diameter smaller than that of a .22 caliber round. the "slug" would stick inside the casing almost a quarter of an inch and have fins. inside the slug would be a nice dose of neurotoxins and lethal chemicals. they would be released from the bullet as soon as it broke skin because of small needles in the front of the round in case it doesn't penetrate. no matter where you hit, as long as you had the right toxins, you could achieve an instantaneous death. the gun It would be fired from would be a sound and flash suppressed barrel that uses an electrical charge to set off the primer. because everything is made smaller it would easily be hidden after a raid or other attack as a pen in a diary or notepad or as a pencil in a girls backpack.
basically its a small bullet filled with neurotoxins and fired out of a barrel by an electrical charge.

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Post by John_234 on Tue 3 Sep 2013 - 13:51

Rather than put tons of R&D money into a method of assassination that is going to cause more questions than anything, I think the better approach is to enhance our ability to kill a person in conventional ways.

I mean, what's going to raise more questions? A dude killed by a neurotoxin magnetic zapper thing, or the mark falling down a flight of stairs and breaking their neck?

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Post by BleepinFireman on Wed 4 Sep 2013 - 14:52

I thought this thread was about alternate methods, which means we can go to hypothetical things right?

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Post by Kiskaloo on Wed 4 Sep 2013 - 16:21

@BleepinFireman wrote:I thought this thread was about alternate methods, which means we can go to hypothetical things right?
Yes Indeed

In Pactio, Kara assassinated someone by hugging them to death.

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Post by PolosElite23 on Wed 4 Sep 2013 - 17:16

@Kiskaloo wrote:
@BleepinFireman wrote:I thought this thread was about alternate methods, which means we can go to hypothetical things right?
Yes Indeed

In Pactio, Kara assassinated someone by hugging them to death.

Laine: "Remind me to not accept any 'free hugs' from you."
I need to add that to my list of assassination techniques...

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Post by John_234 on Wed 4 Sep 2013 - 21:01

@BleepinFireman wrote:I thought this thread was about alternate methods, which means we can go to hypothetical things right?
Well yeah. But maybe something not fired out of a gun for starters? lol.

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Post by BleepinFireman on Thu 5 Sep 2013 - 13:44

All right, then how about something like hidden blades? Not just limited to Assasin's Creed, but as in like a hidden blade that jumps out and kills the person, or maims them

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Post by Kiskaloo on Thu 5 Sep 2013 - 16:52

My non-GSG French cyborg, Noël Tachibana, has two ceramic blades with a deployment system that she can strap to her forearms so they can drop down into her hands.


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Post by Awinnell on Thu 5 Sep 2013 - 17:29

@Kiskaloo wrote:My non-GSG French cyborg, Noël Tachibana, has two ceramic blades with a deployment system that she can strap to her forearms so they can drop down into her hands.

Ironic you use that image for a cyborg as she was half dead as well !

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Post by Three Dog on Thu 5 Sep 2013 - 20:18

The cyborgs are children, right, and children are known to fool around and misbehave when they should be behaving. The target is waiting at the train station, the two youngest appearing 'borgs are running around the station playing tag while a handler chases after them, pretending to be a parent or such and chastising them, demanding that they stop that because it's dangerous, and the 'borgs 'ignore' him/her. As the train starts to pull in, the children 'accidently' bump into the target and push him under the train. Everyone will stand there in shock for a moment, some people will start to crowd around to see if there's the off chance that the poor man pushed under the train might be alive, 'borgs and handler slip away in the chaos. CCTV and whatnot in the station might cause some problems, but I'm sure the SWA can just make those tapes disappear.

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Post by BleepinFireman on Fri 6 Sep 2013 - 2:16

@Three Dog wrote:The cyborgs are children, right, and children are known to fool around and misbehave when they should be behaving. The target is waiting at the train station, the two youngest appearing 'borgs are running around the station playing tag while a handler chases after them, pretending to be a parent or such and chastising them, demanding that they stop that because it's dangerous, and the 'borgs 'ignore' him/her. As the train starts to pull in, the children 'accidently' bump into the target and push him under the train. Everyone will stand there in shock for a moment, some people will start to crowd around to see if there's the off chance that the poor man pushed under the train might be alive, 'borgs and handler slip away in the chaos. CCTV and whatnot in the station might cause some problems, but I'm sure the SWA can just make those tapes disappear.
But isn't that basically just a staged "accident"?
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Post by Three Dog on Fri 6 Sep 2013 - 3:01

@BleepinFireman wrote:
@Three Dog wrote:The cyborgs are children, right, and children are known to fool around and misbehave when they should be behaving. The target is waiting at the train station, the two youngest appearing 'borgs are running around the station playing tag while a handler chases after them, pretending to be a parent or such and chastising them, demanding that they stop that because it's dangerous, and the 'borgs 'ignore' him/her. As the train starts to pull in, the children 'accidently' bump into the target and push him under the train. Everyone will stand there in shock for a moment, some people will start to crowd around to see if there's the off chance that the poor man pushed under the train might be alive, 'borgs and handler slip away in the chaos. CCTV and whatnot in the station might cause some problems, but I'm sure the SWA can just make those tapes disappear.
But isn't that basically just a staged "accident"?
Well, I guess. But it is different to the 'borg's usual protocol of "Sneaky, sneaky, pretend to be a regular child *bang*."

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Post by Il Direttore on Fri 6 Sep 2013 - 10:35

@Three Dog wrote:
@BleepinFireman wrote:
@Three Dog wrote:The cyborgs are children, right, and children are known to fool around and misbehave when they should be behaving. The target is waiting at the train station, the two youngest appearing 'borgs are running around the station playing tag while a handler chases after them, pretending to be a parent or such and chastising them, demanding that they stop that because it's dangerous, and the 'borgs 'ignore' him/her. As the train starts to pull in, the children 'accidently' bump into the target and push him under the train. Everyone will stand there in shock for a moment, some people will start to crowd around to see if there's the off chance that the poor man pushed under the train might be alive, 'borgs and handler slip away in the chaos. CCTV and whatnot in the station might cause some problems, but I'm sure the SWA can just make those tapes disappear.
But isn't that basically just a staged "accident"?
Well, I guess. But it is different to the 'borg's usual protocol of "Sneaky, sneaky, pretend to be a regular child *bang*."
I would say that anything that isn't "shoot it with a gun" would fall under "alternate" for the purposes of this thread". 

In which case, technically speaking, neck snap is "alternate". Still, the circumstances with which that would occur are certainly very different from that of the typical cyborg-based gun slinging. For example, attempting to neck snap in the middle of the street would end very badly.

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So alternate assassination: That umbrella that launches poison when you jab someone with it, can't remember what its called though

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