Youtube Vids about some rare/unusual European pistols

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Youtube Vids about some rare/unusual European pistols

Post by Piero on Sun 8 Sep 2013 - 18:27

There's a guy on Youtube who has done a lot of hands on videos about rare and/or unusual European pistols. A number of the videos may be of interest to GSG fans such as the ones about the Steyr GB18 (Marco's pistol) and the SiG P210 (Franco's pistol). The guy seems to have a bias towards high end European models but then he probably wouldn't be doing a lot of these review if he didn't.

One video I found particularly interesting was the hands on review of the Manurhin MR-73, since that was Piero's sidearm of choice for quite a while (though lately I've been leaning away from it because its ridiculous to carry a large revolver if you're going to end up carrying a high capacity semi-auto with it in order to make up for its limitations).




Also notable is the review of the diminutive Beretta 418, believed by many to be the model of .25 Beretta that James Bond carried in the novel versions of Casino Royale and From Russia with Love before being forced to switch to a PPK in Doctor No: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJkIZu5uEkA

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Post by John_234 on Tue 5 Nov 2013 - 7:07

I don't actually think it's quite as ridiculous as you might think. They make a service or short barreled MR73, and it's a logical enough idea to carry an auto and a revolver. They complement each other's weaknesses.

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Post by Piero on Sun 10 Nov 2013 - 20:23

The MR-73 is a .357 magnum and one of the most accurate service pistols in the world. Going with a snubnose version of it is kind of missing the point. Razz

It just seems kind of pointless to have Piero carry a big and heavy MR-73 if he's only going to get six shots with it, then switch to a high capacity autoloader for the rest of the fight. And while the Manurhin is one of the most accurate pistols in the world, I have to question if that extra edge in mechanical accuracy is actually going to make much difference in practice when even a Beretta 92FS (which is probably the pistol Piero would have the most experience with given his background) can be used to engage targets at 100 meters in the hands of someone who has really mastered the weapon. Superior accuracy is good in theory, but in practice the Manurhin is still a pistol with pistol sights, so how much of a practical advantage does it really have over other service pistols?

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Post by John_234 on Sun 10 Nov 2013 - 22:11

@Piero wrote:The MR-73 is a .357 magnum and one of the most accurate service pistols in the world. Going with a snubnose version of it is kind of missing the point. Razz

It just seems kind of pointless to have Piero carry a big and heavy MR-73 if he's only going to get six shots with it, then switch to a high capacity autoloader for the rest of the fight. And while the Manurhin is one of the most accurate pistols in the world, I have to question if that extra edge in mechanical accuracy is actually going to make much difference in practice when even a Beretta 92FS (which is probably the pistol Piero would have the most experience with given his background) can be used to engage targets at 100 meters in the hands of someone who has really mastered the weapon. Superior accuracy is good in theory, but in practice the Manurhin is still a pistol with pistol sights, so how much of a practical advantage does it really have over other service pistols?
Accuracy has a bit to do with barrel length, but your accuracy doesn't suffer significantly with a 4'', which was the world standard for several decades. A 2'' is going to lose velocity, yes, but it's not going to be mechanically less accurate shot to shot. The lockup, general fitment and quality of trigger pull is probably more to do with it than anything, which is why even shorter Colt Pythons are notoriously accurate.

Revolvers versus autos is a kinda big argument. Though small clarification that revolvers are not pistols. Pistols have their chambers integrally worked into the barrel. A revolver has multiple rotating chambers detached from the barrel.

Anyway, that bit of terminology aside, in general if I were to take only one handgun, it'd probably be an autoloader, but specifically, in a situation where I were to carry two handguns, I think they have their own compelling strengths. The first and foremost is that they're not impaired by contact gunshots or retention firing. That is, if an attacker were to tackle you and slam into the weapon, it cannot be knocked out of battery or have the magazine inadvertently ejected. There is a technique to preventing this, but it can result in convoluted stances and grappling.

Regarding weapons of similar barrel length and size, the revolver tends to pack slightly more punch because their cartridges are generally more suited to shorter barrel lengths. It's mostly negligible, but it also means I can fire a 2'' revolver with 240grn .44 Special bullets very easily.

Also, while 100 meter shots are doable, generally you can't even see the target because you're aiming above them a little bit and a human torso is not much larger than your sights, if they are (haven't tried shooting at that range recently...) You can probably hit a stationary target. Other than that, that's not a dependable range. Plus, if we're getting technical a .357 Magnum service length revolver would outshoot the 92 easily, it's cartridge being flatter-shooting and the trigger likely much better in DA.

But the short answer is, you can't really say the revolver is 'better,' but I argue for it's advantages in very close range gunfights where it's resistance to being knocked out of battery could be fairly crucial.

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Post by Dookers on Thu 23 Jan 2014 - 23:58

@Piero wrote:The MR-73 is a .357 magnum and one of the most accurate service pistols in the world. Going with a snubnose version of it is kind of missing the point. Razz

It just seems kind of pointless to have Piero carry a big and heavy MR-73 if he's only going to get six shots with it, then switch to a high capacity autoloader for the rest of the fight. And while the Manurhin is one of the most accurate pistols in the world, I have to question if that extra edge in mechanical accuracy is actually going to make much difference in practice when even a Beretta 92FS (which is probably the pistol Piero would have the most experience with given his background) can be used to engage targets at 100 meters in the hands of someone who has really mastered the weapon. Superior accuracy is good in theory, but in practice the Manurhin is still a pistol with pistol sights, so how much of a practical advantage does it really have over other service pistols?
Peoples choices in handguns is like religion, its very personal. Sometimes theres no tangible reason why they choose their gun other than they like it. Anyways, I think that a good service revolver still has its place on the street.

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Post by jillymayr09 on Sat 23 Aug 2014 - 9:39

awesome revolver!
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