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Post by Kiskaloo on Fri 29 Nov 2013 - 18:48

With the 2013 season over, time to start talking about 2014.

First up, Pastor Maldonado has been signed by Lotus to partner Romain Grosjean. I'm guessing this means that the deal with Quantum Motorsports is dead and they need Pastor's money to compensate. That being said, there are said to be conditions placed by Maldonado and PDVSA to ensure that the monies are not used solely to pay debts and not develop the car during 2014.

That means Nico Hulkenberg is probably going back to Sauber, though Peter Sauber might have to be tossed before that can happen as he's evidently not happy Nico went for a seat-fitting at Lotus just before the US Grand Prix and would prefer not to have him back. The other option is Force India.
 
 
 
Next up, Alonso has been banned from posting about the team to Twitter by order of Ferrari President Luca di Montezemolo in response to his critical tweets about development of the 2013 car.



Third, the Bahrain Grand Prix will be run at night in 2014. The track has installed a lighting system and it will be used this weekend for the final round of the World Endurance Championship (which will be a twilight race, ala the Abu Dhabi GP).
 
 
  
And finally, the FIA is considering mandating a minimum of two tire changes for 2014, limiting the race distance on the primary tire to 50% of the laps or less and 30% of the laps or less on the option tire. This is in response to fears that, lacking any clear design mandate from the FIA, Pirelli will build "bulletproof" tires that can go the entire race distance.

 
 
And here is a cool video of the changes happening to the cars between 2013 and 2014:


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Post by topgearbrzgt86 on Fri 29 Nov 2013 - 19:52

Honestly, I'm pretty happy that 2013 is over; it was a pretty dud year; the only highlights being NASCAR's Gen-6 car, and Le Mans. (And don't mock; NASCAR is a real motorsport, and it's a good one at that. Not as good as F1, but still good in its own right.)

Anyway, on to more pressing matters: http://www.wrc.com/news/2014-wrc-calendar-revealed/?fid=19124

The 2014 WRC rally list is up, with a return of Rally Poland, and the (hopefully) temporary exit to Acropolis. Add that to Hyundai's return to the WRC with their new i20, and Pirelli challenging Michelin for rally tire supremacy, and you have a good mix of flavors.

Also, Juan Pablo Montoya signed for Penske Indycar, and was recently seen at Sebring. Carlos Munoz was also signed to a full season contract for Andretti Autosport Indy.

Finally, Formula E news; Mahindra Racing is confirmed as a team in the new sport. Now we have them, plus Drayson (GBR), China Racing (CHN), e.dams (FRA), Andretti Autosport, Dragon Racing (both USA), Super Aguri (JPN) and Audi Sport Abt (GER). 8 teams down, two to go.

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Post by topgearbrzgt86 on Sun 1 Dec 2013 - 13:11

Even with Pastor, Lotus still hasn't given up on the Quantum deal: http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/formula-1-quantum-still-working-lotus-deal-122629094--f1.html

This could turn well, because it gives Lotus more dev. money - Quantum + PDVSA = Lotus' first championship since 2006? Maybe.

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Post by Kiskaloo on Sun 1 Dec 2013 - 15:54

Sounds like (pun) Ferrari is testing their F1 Turbo V6 engine in a La Ferrari based on this footage from Fiorano:



The engine note sounds nothing like the normal V12 fitted to the car:



In other La Ferrari news, a pre-production vehicle was rear-ended by a semi on the Autostrada last weeK

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Post by Alfisti on Mon 2 Dec 2013 - 3:21

@topgearbrzgt86 wrote:Even with Pastor, Lotus still hasn't given up on the Quantum deal: http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/formula-1-quantum-still-working-lotus-deal-122629094--f1.html

This could turn well, because it gives Lotus more dev. money - Quantum + PDVSA = Lotus' first championship since 2006? Maybe.
Let tobacco companies start sponsoring again.
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Post by Kiskaloo on Tue 3 Dec 2013 - 17:17

@Kiskaloo wrote:That means Nico Hulkenberg is probably going back to Sauber, though Peter Sauber might have to be tossed before that can happen as he's evidently not happy Nico went for a seat-fitting at Lotus just before the US Grand Prix and would prefer not to have him back. The other option is Force India.
Nico Hulkenberg returns to Force India in multi-year deal and it seems likely he will be joined by Sergio Perez, replacing Adrian Sutil (who is expected to go to Sauber) and Paul di Resta (who mostly likely will go to IndyCar, possibly to fill the seat vacated by his cousin Dario Franchitti).

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Post by topgearbrzgt86 on Tue 3 Dec 2013 - 17:44

I see promise in this; Vijay Mallaya and FI may have disappointed this year, but with (I think) a good pair in Hulkenberg and Perez, they could challenge for podiums. Both were Sauber drivers, and they punched above their weight; plus, with that Mercedes engine, FI could get it right, so who's to say they could score a couple podiums, or even a win?

Then again, FI are a mid-pack team. They have a semi-pay driver who's skilled, and a skilled driver who doesn't pay. But they get the job done.

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Post by topgearbrzgt86 on Tue 3 Dec 2013 - 17:49

@Alfisti wrote:
@topgearbrzgt86 wrote:Even with Pastor, Lotus still hasn't given up on the Quantum deal: http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/formula-1-quantum-still-working-lotus-deal-122629094--f1.html

This could turn well, because it gives Lotus more dev. money - Quantum + PDVSA = Lotus' first championship since 2006? Maybe.
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Ehh, I like the JPS-style black and gold better. Plus, children are watching! Razz

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Post by MP5 on Wed 4 Dec 2013 - 23:45

Apropos of nothing....


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Post by Alfisti on Fri 6 Dec 2013 - 7:49

Not technically motorsport, or even 2014, but it may as well go here for the gearheads:



I do like that, at least on this, the P1 actually sounds a bit like a rip-snorting competition car.

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Re: 2014 World Motorsports Discussion Thread

Post by Kiskaloo on Sat 21 Dec 2013 - 21:48

Looks like the rumors Sergey Sirotkin’s sponsorship drying up were at least partially true, as he will not be a full-time driver for Sauber next year, just a test-driver. Instead, Esteban Gutierrez’s services have been retained for another year thanks to Telmex extending their sponsorship.

So the 2014 driver line-up is almost complete with one seat at Marussia and both seats at Caterham still open (though Giedo van der Garde is expected to remain at Caterham due to his sponsorship by McGregor).

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Post by Professor Voodoo on Tue 24 Dec 2013 - 20:49

@Kiskaloo wrote:Looks like the rumors Sergey Sirotkin’s sponsorship drying up were at least partially true, as he will not be a full-time driver for Sauber next year, just a test-driver. 
I thought the issue was Sirotkin's FIA Super License.  Sergey has not competed in enough FIA approved lower-formula events, and since it's winter (in the Northern hemisphere) there's little opportunity for him to get those necessary races under his belt.

I think the next big question of the ongoing silly season is; who will be McLaren's new sponsor?  Something Japanese maybe, tying in with their new Honda engine deal for 2015?

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Post by topgearbrzgt86 on Tue 24 Dec 2013 - 20:51

I suppose McLaren are well-funded; why not sponsor themselves? They can do the Japanese sponsor in 2015.

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Post by Professor Voodoo on Tue 24 Dec 2013 - 21:05

@topgearbrzgt86 wrote:I suppose McLaren are well-funded; why not sponsor themselves? They can do the Japanese sponsor in 2015.
Back when Vodafone announced they were leaving Whitmarsh said they already had a new backer lined up.  He even went as far as to say it's another cell-phone company.  We all assumed it was TELMEX, since they had Sergio Perez...but now they have no Perez and TELMEX has re-signed with Sauber.

Although I agree that McLaren could probably afford to do a season without a title sponsor I highly doubt they'd do it.
-McLaren didn't get that rich by spending their own money.
-Also; it sends the wrong message about the health of the team.  They've just had a dismal season...so if they show up at winter testing without a shiny new sponsor it's going to worry a lot of people. "Is McLaren entering a tailspin like Williams?"

It's interesting, but personally I can wait until after the Dakar Rally for answers.

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Post by boomer_gonz on Thu 26 Dec 2013 - 13:07

SMOKE ON 2014!!!!

Red Bull Air Race

Vegas here I come!!

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Post by topgearbrzgt86 on Thu 26 Dec 2013 - 13:09

XD Awesome stuff! I've seen the Red Bull Air Race on TV - awesome stuff. Mind if I join you?

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Post by boomer_gonz on Thu 26 Dec 2013 - 15:45

For those wanting to know the Red Bull Air Race World Championships goes global once again. Here are the locations confirmed, mind this list is not final so all Air Hogs should stay tuned for additional events.

http://www.redbullairrace.com/en_US/tour-stops

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Post by Kiskaloo on Wed 1 Jan 2014 - 14:44

Seven times Formula One World Driving Champion Michael Schumacher suffered severe head trauma in a skiing accident in France on Sunday. He has undergone multiple surgeries to help relieve swelling and lesions on his brain, but remains in a coma and is listed as being in "stable but critical" condition.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/racing/news/20140101/f1-michael-schumacher-injury-skiing-accident.ap/

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Post by Il Direttore on Wed 1 Jan 2014 - 15:05

Some more information from the NY Times. 

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/02/sports/schumachers-condition-unchanged-manager-says.html?hp

Spoiler:
Also, the reporter who disguised himself as a priest should be ashamed of himself. Because seriously, that's really really uncool when a guy's in critical condition like that.

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Post by Professor Voodoo on Sun 19 Jan 2014 - 1:20

Well, at least this clears up something I was wrong about.  I'd always figured the "Haas" in Stewart-Haas Racing was Carl Haas, who (along with Paul Newman) owned the CART team that won numerous championships.  Turns out it's Gene Haas and they aren't even related.

In other news, the 2014 Dakar Rally is complete (held in South America gain this year).  Since the US wrap-up show won't be broadcast until tomorrow I'll hide the results...
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Bikes:  Marc Coma (Spain) takes his 4th Dakar win aboard a KTM.  Portuguese Juan Bareda Bort was his biggest challenger but fell 2 hours behind on the 3rd to last stage.
This is KTM's 13th straight win, but Honda, Sherco & Yamaha all won stages this year.


Cars: Juan "Nani" Roma benefits from team orders to deny Stéphane Peterhansel a third straight and 12th lifetime win.  This is Roma's first win in the car category...he won on a bike in 2004.  The only other racers to win both car & bike trophies are Peterhansel & Hubert Auriol.
It's the third win in a row for Mini.


Quads: The last 4 years have been won by the Argentine Patronelli brothers, Alejandro & Marcos.  This year Alejandro stayed home and Marcos had to bail off his Yamaha right before it went off a 2,000ft cliff.  That left the opportunity for someone else to win and Ignacio Casale got the job done.

Chilean Casale is only the third Dakar winner to take the title in his own home country.  This has only been done in the quad category, as the other two are the Patronelli brothers.

Trucks: It looked like the Dutchman Gérard de Rooy had a second win locked up but the Russian Kamaz team chipped away at his big lead, delivering Andrey Karginov to a first win.
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Post by Kiskaloo on Tue 21 Jan 2014 - 20:45

As expected, Caterham F1 today announced two new drivers for 2014: Kamui Kobayashi and Swedish rookie Marcus Ericsson. Both were chosen for the sponsorship money they will bring to the team (said to be over $15 million each). So the 2014 driver line-up is now complete.

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Post by Kiskaloo on Wed 22 Jan 2014 - 14:37

Force India shows off their 2014 car (though the nose is said to not be finalized):


 
 
In other news, McLaren will not have a title sponsor for their 2014 launch.

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Post by Awinnell on Wed 22 Jan 2014 - 17:11

run down on the new V6 F1 engine





Renault wrote:Under acceleration the internal combustion engine will be using its reserve of fuel. The turbocharger will be rotating at maximum speed (100,000rpm).


The MGU-H will act as a generator and recover energy from the heat and energy lost in the exhaust and pass to the MGU-K (or the battery in case it needs recharging). The MGU-K, which is connected to the crankshaft of the ICE, will act as a motor and deliver additional power to pull harder or save fuel, should the control electronics be so configured.


At the end of the straight, the driver lifts off for braking for a corner. At this point the MGU-K converts to a generator and recovers energy dissipated in the braking event, which will be stored in the battery.


Under braking the MGU-H converts to a motor to keep the rotational speed of the turbocharger high enough to avoid the curse of the turbo engine – turbo lag. This is a phenomenon experienced under braking when the turbocharger speed slows as a lower volume of gas is produced.


When the driver accelerates and more gas is produced, the turbo can take time to return to full rotational speed. To prevent this lag, the MGU-H turns to a motor and powers the turbo, keeping the rotational speed as close to optimum. When the driver exits the corner and gets back on the throttle, the MGU-H returns to a generator and picks up the energy from the active turbocharger and exhaust gases. The energy recovered can either power the MGU-K to keep the fuel burn as low as possible or charge the battery.


Over the course of the lap, this balance between energy harvesting, energy deployment and (carbon) fuel burn will be carefully monitored.




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Post by Alfisti on Sat 25 Jan 2014 - 9:22

Is it just me, or does this year's Ferrari kind of look like it's been punched in the face and had its nose broken at some point in its life?

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Post by topgearbrzgt86 on Sat 25 Jan 2014 - 12:14

Seriously, I think it's more good looking than the rest of the field, but less good looking than the F2012. Razz

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Post by Kiskaloo on Sat 25 Jan 2014 - 16:03

@Alfisti wrote:Is it just me, or does this year's Ferrari kind of look like it's been punched in the face and had its nose broken at some point in its life?

Looks better than the kielbasa hanging off the front of the new McLaren...



Lotus, meanwhile, decided to go with the ol' double-donger:



Speaking of Lotus, team principal Eric Boullier has now left. Pretty much Lotus' entire senior engineering and technical team have moved to other teams and while they do now appear to be sufficiently funded to at least make the grid at Melbourne, it sounds like they're going to be battling Caterham and Marussia at the back far more than Red Bull and Ferrari at the front.

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Post by Alfisti on Sat 25 Jan 2014 - 17:38

To clarify the previous statement: Daniel Craig and Liam Neeson also both have slight boxer's noses, and neither of them are exactly bad looking blokes.

I didn't actually mind the McLaren too much, though, when I first saw it, all I could think of was:

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Post by topgearbrzgt86 on Sat 25 Jan 2014 - 18:25

@Kiskaloo wrote:
@Alfisti wrote:Is it just me, or does this year's Ferrari kind of look like it's been punched in the face and had its nose broken at some point in its life?

Looks better than the kielbasa hanging off the front of the new McLaren...



Lotus, meanwhile, decided to go with the ol' double-donger:



Speaking of Lotus, team principal Eric Boullier has now left. Pretty much Lotus' entire senior engineering and technical team have moved to other teams and while they do now appear to be sufficiently funded to at least make the grid at Melbourne, it sounds like they're going to be battling Caterham and Marussia at the back far more than Red Bull and Ferrari at the front.
I highly doubt that statement about battling Caterham and Marussia, for Lotus. And with reason:

1) Romain Grosjean - He proved he can take the fight to the people at the front, and this is a perfect time for him to take that first win. (And don't say he's a 'first lap nutcase', because he's not that anymore)

2) Saxo Bank - The new money from the Danish bank can help Lotus financially for R&D.

3) Pastor Maldonado - He is a consistent points scorer (again, more money for Lotus), and if he can control that aggression on the track, he will eventually get another win for another team.

4) Expect the Unexpected - Remember Malaysia 2012, when Perez got on the podium against Ferrari? Even though Ferrari had (arguably) a dog of a car, the underfunded Sauber struck back with a near-perfect performance. Who's not to say Lotus would do the same? 

Give them credit - they fought through 2013 for 4th. And they were underfunded. They've got two fast drivers, and as long as they can make good strategies, they'll be fine.

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Post by Professor Voodoo on Sun 26 Jan 2014 - 13:53

Sauber is the next to show off their 2014 contender;


Their Design Chief Eric Gandelin said;
“The path we have followed with the design of the Sauber C33-Ferrari allows us maximum flexibility, so that we can react quickly. It is also clear that reliability will be an important factor in the first few races in particular. So this is an area which we have given very high priority.”

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Post by Kiskaloo on Mon 27 Jan 2014 - 23:33

I wonder if they will have to pixelate the nose of the Toro Rosso STR9 to pass the television censors...






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Post by Alfisti on Tue 28 Jan 2014 - 4:53

It does look a little... flaccid doesn't it?

On another note: apparently Red Bull are missing Mark Webber's chin alread so, to make up for the loss of visual manliness, have put it on the car instead:

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Post by Kiskaloo on Tue 28 Jan 2014 - 11:44

@Alfisti wrote:It does look a little... flaccid doesn't it?

On another note: apparently Red Bull are missing Mark Webber's chin alread so, to make up for the loss of visual manliness, have put it on the car instead:

It does appear to have the least-offensive genitalia nose design:





As opposed to what Force India will be rocking...





Caterham is almost as...engorged...however they are hanging the front wing off it, so...





Mercedes, on the other hand, follows Ferrari's path with a children-friendly nose design:




Hamilton is not having a great day at the first test in Jerez:



He did eventually get it going...

...only to put it into the wall after the front wing failed...



Kara, at least, can take comfort that the Fezza's can get out of the pits:







And a couple of minutes of the cars circulating the track to get a feel for the new Turbo V6 sound:


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Post by topgearbrzgt86 on Tue 28 Jan 2014 - 13:23

I will say this - the Mercedes is the best looking car on the field. They made the child-friendly approach work!

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Post by Professor Voodoo on Tue 28 Jan 2014 - 14:21

@Alfisti wrote:It does look a little... flaccid doesn't it?
@Kiskaloo wrote:(Red Bull) does appear to have the least-offensive genitalia nose design:
Caterham is almost as...engorged..
How long do you figure before some smart-ass Photoshops truck nuts onto the nose of the cars?

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Post by Kiskaloo on Tue 28 Jan 2014 - 14:33

@Professor Voodoo wrote:
@Alfisti wrote:It does look a little... flaccid doesn't it?
@Kiskaloo wrote:(Red Bull) does appear to have the least-offensive genitalia nose design:
Caterham is almost as...engorged..
How long do you figure before some smart-ass Photoshops truck nuts onto the nose of the cars?

Someone did PhotoShop a condom on the nose of the Williams:


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@boomer_gonz wrote:SMOKE ON 2014!!!!

Red Bull Air Race

Vegas here I come!!

All my feels =

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Post by Kiskaloo on Thu 30 Jan 2014 - 22:40

Reports from the Jerez test say the new Renault turbo powerplant is a dud - literally - and that it could be mid-season before they have addressed the issues to make it competitive again. Red Bull could only run a handful of laps and sent Seb home a day early and both Toro Rosso and Caterham were only able to make very limited runs at well-below maximum revs for fear of the engine failing. The new Red Bull also evidently has poor cooling and there are real fears the chassis cannot make a race distance without going up in flames.

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Post by Alfisti on Fri 31 Jan 2014 - 5:08

To be honest, I (and quite a few others if the opinions flying around work are anything to judge by) will not be entirely unhappy to see Red Bull have issues this season. Not through any particular dislike of the team, but simply because it means a chance at a tighter competition this year.

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Post by Professor Voodoo on Sat 1 Feb 2014 - 0:10

With the Jerez test over here's the rundown on fastest laps & total laps completed;
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1. Kevin Magnussen Denmark McLaren-Mercedes 1min 23.276secs 162 laps (3)
2. Felipe Massa Brazil Williams-Mercedes 1min 23.700secs 133 laps (3)
3. Lewis Hamilton Britain Mercedes-Mercedes 1min 23.952secs 121 laps (3)
4. Jenson Button Britain McLaren-Mercedes 1min 24.165secs 83 laps (2)
5. Kimi Raikkonen Finland Ferrari-Ferrari 1min 24.812secs 78 laps (2)
6. Valtteri Bottas Finland Williams-Mercedes 1min 25.344secs 42 laps (2)
7. Fernando Alonso Spain Ferrari-Ferrari 1min 25.495secs 173 laps (3)
8. Nico Rosberg Germany Mercedes-Mercedes 1min 25.588secs 188 laps (2)
9. Nico Hulkenberg Germany Force India-Mercedes 1min 26.096secs 17 laps (3)
10. Sergio Perez Mexico Force India-Mercedes 1min 28.376secs 48 laps (2)
11. Daniel Juncadella Spain Force India-Mercedes 1min 29.457secs 81 laps (4)
12. Jean-Eric Vergne France STR-Renault 1min 29.915secs 45 laps (3)
13. Adrian Sutil Germany Sauber-Ferrari 1min 30.161secs 103 laps (3)
14. Jules Bianchi France Marussia-Ferrari 1min 32.222secs 25 laps (4)
15. Esteban Gutierrez Mexico Sauber-Ferrari 1min 33.270secs 60 laps (2)
16. Marcus Ericsson Sweden Caterham-Renault 1min 37.975secs 12 laps (2)
17. Sebastian Vettel Germany Red Bull-Renault 1min 38.320secs 11 laps (2)
18. Kamui Kobayashi Japan Caterham-Renault 1min 43.193secs 54 laps (4)
19. Daniil Kvyat Russia STR-Renault 1min 44.016secs 9 laps (4)
20. Daniel Ricciardo Australia Red Bull-Renault 1min 45.374secs 10 laps (4)
21. Max Chilton Britain Marussia-Ferrari No Time 5 laps
22. Robin Frijns Netherlands Caterham-Renault No Time 10 laps

Combined lap counts – Driver:

1. Nico Rosberg Germany Mercedes-Mercedes 188 laps
2. Fernando Alonso Spain Ferrari-Ferrari 173 laps
3. Kevin Magnussen Denmark McLaren-Mercedes 162 laps
4. Felipe Massa Brazil Williams-Mercedes 133 laps
5. Lewis Hamilton Britain Mercedes-Mercedes 121 laps
6. Adrian Sutil Germany Sauber-Ferrari 103 laps
7. Jenson Button Britain McLaren-Mercedes 83 laps
8. Daniel Juncadella Spain Force India-Mercedes 81 laps
9. Kimi Raikkonen Finland Ferrari-Ferrari 78 laps
10. Esteban Gutierrez Mexico Sauber-Ferrari 60 laps
11. Kamui Kobayashi Japan Caterham-Renault 54 laps
12. Sergio Perez Mexico Force India-Mercedes 48 laps
13. Jean-Eric Vergne France STR-Renault 45 laps
14. Valtteri Bottas Finland Williams-Mercedes 42 laps
15. Jules Bianchi France Marussia-Ferrari 25 laps
16. Nico Hulkenberg Germany Force India-Mercedes 17 laps
17. Marcus Ericsson Sweden Caterham-Renault 12 laps
18. Sebastian Vettel Germany Red Bull-Renault 11 laps
19. Daniel Ricciardo Australia Red Bull-Renault 10 laps
20. Robin Frijns Netherlands Caterham-Renault 10 laps
21. Daniil Kvyat Russia STR-Renault 9 laps
22. Max Chilton Britain Marussia-Ferrari 5 laps

Combined lap counts – Team:

1. Mercedes 309 laps
2. Ferrari 251 laps
3. McLaren 245 laps
4. Williams 175 laps
5. Sauber 163 laps
6. Force India 146 laps
7. Caterham 76 laps
8. Toro Rosso 54 laps
9. Marussia 30 laps
10. Red Bull Racing 21 laps 

Combined lap counts – Engine:

1. Mercedes 875
2. Ferrari 444
3. Renault 151
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Post by topgearbrzgt86 on Sat 1 Feb 2014 - 0:26

First off, I think Jim has something to say:

Jim: See, Allison? I told you Macca'd come back in 2014!

Ok, now to more important stuff.

Honestly, Red Bull look like they've lost the plot from the start. Vettel and Ricciardo churned out way less laps than their competitors. The new Renault V6 could prove problematic for some people (Namely: Triela, Marisa, Jim), and if Renault don't get their act together, Macca could win the championship this year. Especially with their new suspension set-up; they've really made it work for them, as well as rookie Kevin Magnussen.

Also, Williams comeback for the epic win! Felipe Massa and Valtteri Bottas making the best of that new car, as with Williams! They might be on for a championship chase as well, so maybe we could see Felipe baby take his first win in quite a long time? Perhaps even Bottas winning? Thank goodness for the switch to Mercedes power for Williams!

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Ross Brawn Formally Retires from F1

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@Kiskaloo wrote:Top Gear has been working to make caravaning less of a pain to the rest of Britain for years.

Lotus has now applied themselves to the task:
So this is what they were doing instead of attending the Jerez test session.  Time well spent.

Switching to serious mode: 
Since the other Renault teams had nothing but problems at that Jerez test...getting very little valuable running time...Lotus comes off looking very good by having skipped the test.  Is it possible that the team in Enstone detected the problems with the Renault powerplant, decided the test was going to be useless for them and sat out because of that?  Renault said the issue was a big disparity between running the engine on the dyno and actually running it in the car.  Could Lotus have figured this out ahead of time on its own dyno?

It would be a good strategic move...let Red Bull go out and waste their time while Lotus stays home and saves their resources.  It also gives them another week to work on the car.  Of course, they'd never admit to this because the debacle embarrassed Renault...who would be très graves to find out Lotus could have warned them but didn't.

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Post by Alfisti on Fri 7 Feb 2014 - 22:25

@Kiskaloo wrote:Top Gear has been working to make caravaning less of a pain to the rest of Britain for years.

Lotus has now applied themselves to the task:
Considering their apparent money troubles, part of me suspects that will actually be the Lotus team caravan for this years races  Razz 

Interesting theory Voodoo. With-holding the information would also feel like a very Lotus thing to do.

Financial troubles? Being sneaky? That's the Lotus we know and love. Colin Chapman would be proud. Now all they need to do is break out a "foot long" ruler and things will be perfect.

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Post by Kiskaloo on Fri 7 Feb 2014 - 22:36

@Professor Voodoo wrote:
Since the other Renault teams had nothing but problems at that Jerez test...getting very little valuable running time...Lotus comes off looking very good by having skipped the test.  Is it possible that the team in Enstone detected the problems with the Renault powerplant, decided the test was going to be useless for them and sat out because of that?  Renault said the issue was a big disparity between running the engine on the dyno and actually running it in the car.  Could Lotus have figured this out ahead of time on its own dyno?

It would be a good strategic move...let Red Bull go out and waste their time while Lotus stays home and saves their resources.  It also gives them another week to work on the car.  Of course, they'd never admit to this because the debacle embarrassed Renault...who would be très graves to find out Lotus could have warned them but didn't.

I expect the reality is the car was not ready so they would not have been able to do any running.

Lotus is in Jerez now to use their 100 kilometers of "promotional filming" allotment to get their test in. Renault may also have engineering staff from other Renault-powered teams present to set up an information exchange between the Renault-powered teams to address the issues of component reliability and longevity.

Lotus also tweaked the nose - it is now a pitchfork as opposed to two uneven sausages.



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Oh wow...look at the Autosport magazine on that bench.
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Post by topgearbrzgt86 on Thu 13 Feb 2014 - 0:26

@Professor Voodoo wrote:
@Kiskaloo wrote:Top Gear has been working to make caravaning less of a pain to the rest of Britain for years.

Lotus has now applied themselves to the task:
So this is what they were doing instead of attending the Jerez test session.  Time well spent.

Switching to serious mode: 
Since the other Renault teams had nothing but problems at that Jerez test...getting very little valuable running time...Lotus comes off looking very good by having skipped the test.  Is it possible that the team in Enstone detected the problems with the Renault powerplant, decided the test was going to be useless for them and sat out because of that?  Renault said the issue was a big disparity between running the engine on the dyno and actually running it in the car.  Could Lotus have figured this out ahead of time on its own dyno?

It would be a good strategic move...let Red Bull go out and waste their time while Lotus stays home and saves their resources.  It also gives them another week to work on the car.  Of course, they'd never admit to this because the debacle embarrassed Renault...who would be très graves to find out Lotus could have warned them but didn't.

In all thought, I would have agreed with Kisk - the car might not have been ready at the time, but that was an unforeseen outcome for the Enstone team; they might have lucked out in the end. By then, the engines might have been fixed, so who knows? Wink

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