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Post by emperor on Wed 23 Apr 2008 - 3:11

Some time ago, a girl's father's business was about to declare bankruptcy. In desperation, her father decided to cash in on the large life insurance policy he had taken out on his daughter, Angelina. Her father set up an "accident" where Angelina was hit by a car while she was out getting groceries with her dog Perro.[9]. After the incident, Angelina was chosen by the SWA to be the first girl to undergo the cybernetic augmentation and conditioning process. Now known as Angelica, she later became a model for the refinement of the child assassin program.

Unfortunately, Angelica was also the first to experience the problems of the conditioning process, especially long-term memory loss. Angelica does not understand the disinterest of her handler, Marco, and the conditioning process left her with an overwhelming desire for his approval. Angelica, unlike the others, was not chosen by her handler, and did not at first receive brainwashing. Many believe her to have died at the end of the anime, but she reappears in the end of the second episode of Gunslinger Girl: Il Teatrino.

At that point in the manga, nothing happens that indicates she may have died. Her name is usually shortened to either "Ange" or "Angie" (the latter being the official English adaption of the anime's translation).

Angelica's preferred weapon is the Steyr AUG A1 (as seen in the picture), after previously using the Beretta 84. In the manga, she also uses the TMP compact submachine gun, the M-1A pistol and the AUG H-BAR LMG. The Angelica/Marco fratello use exclusively Steyr-Mannlicher weapons (Marco uses the Steyr M-GB pistol).

Angelica later died from a combination of injuries she retained from protecting Marco from a bombing and her deterioration from the conditioning.


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Post by Nachtsider on Wed 23 Apr 2008 - 3:15

Well, although it seems a reasonable conclusion, we don't really know that Angie's father was the one who drove the car that knocked her down - her dad could have hired a hitman, who would therefore have been the man behind the wheel. Also, there's nothing in this article about how Angie died.

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Post by Guest on Wed 23 Apr 2008 - 16:51

Please clarify, Nacht. I want to make sure that we are on the same page. Failing that, at least on the same volume.

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Post by ElfenMagix on Wed 23 Apr 2008 - 22:29

The driver of the that ran over Angie was never identified as her father.
Her father was 'ulitmately' arrested meaning that he was caught after the fact.
The driver arrested could be her father or could be a hired thug. That was never disclosed.

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Post by Nachtsider on Wed 23 Apr 2008 - 23:06

See Elfen's post, Soup.

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Post by West Nile on Thu 24 Apr 2008 - 2:04

@emperor wrote:Many believe her to have died at the end of the anime, but she reappears in the end of the second episode of Gunslinger Girl: Il Teatrino. She also reappears in volume 4 of the Manga.

this is useless info now. and where did her real death go? someone needs to make it up to date to vol 9

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Post by West Nile on Thu 24 Apr 2008 - 2:06

and her picture, someone make it a season 1/ season 2 pic

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Post by Angiegarde on Mon 28 Apr 2008 - 3:16

About the one who ran over Angelica, in the first anime, I noticed that the guy driving the car that hit Angie had the same hair color as her. This indicates to me at least that the driver was Angelica's father.

Also, if one hires a thug to do their dirty work and gets caught, then they'll likely rat out their employer in order to get a lesser sentence and/or not to take the rap alone. As a result, I'm of the opinion that Angie's parents wanted to avoid any loose threads in their cold blooded plan so they would likely do it themselves.

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Re: Angelica

Post by Nachtsider on Mon 28 Apr 2008 - 3:50

Then again, Angie's hair color isn't exactly what you'd call rare. Also, you'd think that Angie's parents, having no prior killing experience, would have resorted to employing professional help - I reckon fewer loose ends would have come into play compared to doing the job themselves.

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Post by West Nile on Mon 28 Apr 2008 - 4:00

you don't need professional help to drive a car nacht...

and to think that the driver crashed the car into the post and failed to outright kill Angie... is rather unprofessional

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Post by Nachtsider on Mon 28 Apr 2008 - 4:05

Better employ a stranger to do it for you than do it yourself, I say. Denial is easier that way, along with the obvious lack of direct incriminating evidence.

All the same, I think that Angie's been declared legally dead. There even might be a grave erected somewhere out there for her, despite the fact that the SWA brought her back.


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Post by West Nile on Mon 28 Apr 2008 - 4:06

her relatives know she's alive... vol 9

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Post by Nachtsider on Mon 28 Apr 2008 - 4:07

Damn.

I'm still gunning for the hitman theory, though.

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Post by West Nile on Mon 28 Apr 2008 - 4:08

well we are not obliged to change what ur gunning for anyway... but i have a slight memory of Angie saying she saw her daddy before she was hit... maybe it's a fanfic

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Post by Nachtsider on Wed 30 Apr 2008 - 1:46

I think it probably is a fanfic.

Something just got me wondering, here - if Angie's relatives know she's alive, why stopped them from asking for her return?

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Post by Danjo3 on Wed 30 Apr 2008 - 2:46

@Nachtsider wrote:Something just got me wondering, here - if Angie's relatives know she's alive, why stopped them from asking for her return?
When it comes to the girls and the SWA, there seems to be a whole slew of unasked questions. Puzzled

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Re: Angelica

Post by Wileama on Wed 30 Apr 2008 - 10:52

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I'd like to share a revelation that I've had during my time here. It came to me when I assisted somone with their story. I realized there are things one should not actually tell. Every good story on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium between suspension of disbelief, and various plot devices. Bad stories do not. They explain more, and more plot devices until the story is consumed by them. Explaining plot devices is like a disease. They are a plague, and silence is the cure.

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Some things just don't work in real life. Like cyborgs. The more you explain the more you provide a chance to fuck up. More over the more time you dedicate to explaining some plot device, is less time you have to tell your story. I think another example of this is who you keep an organization like the SWA both so public, and so private. The best option in a case like this is to dodge the issue, maybe put a lamb shade on it. Say jee it's a good think section one works so hard to keep all this under wraps. We the reader do are part by not asking to many questions, and the story moves on. If we do ask questions it's always open to us to make our own answers, that we can accept. If someone disagrees, and has a different explanation, well he's right too. See there's nothing to tell either off us are wrong.

The reason Angies relatives know she's alive is Marco needs the dog. They aren't just going to give it to some random stranger. Even if they where it doesn't fit the needs of the story. So they aren't direct relatives. Further more they don't want the hassle of dealing with a brain damaged child.

Oh we didn't tell you? Yeah Angie suffered brain damage from the crash. She drools, you have to hand feed her. Make sure she isn't out in the sun to long. Stuff like that. Oh we take the best care of her. She just loves arts, and crafts. Has some great friends too. So did you bring three pens, you have a lot of forms to fill out. Bureaucracy, it's such a pain. We'll start easy. Go ahead, and fill out this both sides of form 283B, in triplicat. Then we'll start... Wait where are you going?! Don't you want your distant relative back?!?

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Post by Probit Return on Wed 30 Apr 2008 - 12:17

Oh my god. I just realized why I end up having a strong dislike for all of my stories. Wil, you are a genius. Thank you, thank you very very much.

As for Angie, I get the feeling that she's the "odd one out" so to speak. Her family is cold-hearted and she's the loving, caring one.

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Post by Nachtsider on Wed 30 Apr 2008 - 16:01

Sweet, Wil.

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Post by LoC978 on Wed 30 Apr 2008 - 20:02

Christ, now you're Agent Wil...

Also, the explaination in your last paragraph sums it up nicely, with one obvious thing left unsaid: Angelica's only close relatives (meaning her parents, all others are dead) are now either in prison or simply not allowed within (insert distance here) of her.

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Re: Angelica

Post by Wileama on Wed 30 Apr 2008 - 21:12

Ugh, I don't feel so go. How did I get in this thread? Wait, did I write that post? The hell is going on here man?!

Anyway yeah I forgot the parents. Thanks for covering that one for me.

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Post by Danjo3 on Thu 1 May 2008 - 2:30

@Wileama wrote:I think another example of this is who you keep an organization like the SWA both so public, and so private. The best option in a case like this is to dodge the issue, maybe put a lamb shade on it.
This is an excellent example Wil. The SWA is supposed to be a super-ultra-top-secret organization that it seems everyone and their dog knows about. But you know what? It still works. Suspension of disbelief - ya gotta love it.

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Post by Sakura on Thu 1 May 2008 - 2:58

:shakes Wil: Nooo...come back Agent Wil/Darth Wil/Whatevertheycallyou Wil! Your previous post left me speechless, yet enlightened!

I like the question asking because it can lead to some interesting discussions and open me to ideas/thoughts I didn't think of prior. A good example was Angelica getting hit by the car. I always thought it was her Dad driving the car. When Nacht mentioned the Dad could have hired a hitman instead, I realized that was a possibility as well.
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Re: Angelica

Post by Wileama on Thu 1 May 2008 - 11:53

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Will someone please stop the room, I would like to get off... The amount of wisdom contain in my head is limited unfortunately. As time progress I do my best to fill it with more. If I share to much of it to quickly though, there will be none left. I fear greatly what a fool I would appear in such a case. Razz

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Now as for how hit Angelica, I don't know that's exactly what I was talking about. If you think about it, it doesn't matter who was driving the car. All that matters is that Angelica's father, and mostly likely her mother, where ultimately responsible. You could proved more detail, but what does it do for the story? It might make Angelica's father's that much more of an asshole if he was willing to actually commit the crime, instead of handing the task off to someone else. He's already a big enough villain though for setting it up. You don't gain anything from sharing that information with the reader. But you don't really lose anything either. At most by not putting effort into that you free up the readers, and the authors attention on the rest of the story. For a detail like this we're only look at a line, or two tops though.

What I was talking about was something like Cyborg technology. It's highly unlike that there is one perfect explanation for how the girls do what they do. If Yu Aida ever did decide to explain how things like why the girls don't bleed, how conditioning works, and ect I would most likely go ape shit. The nit picker in me, and others, would find mistakes. I would get hung up on those mistakes, and it would break my suspension of disbelief. Even if it didn't Yu would have to deticate page, after page to explain it all. Imagine the worst techno-bable you heard in star trek, and then make it ten times as long. That's what it would be. This is a situation where there is no gain, and only the possibility, if not certainty, of lose.

Who ran Angelica over is a minor issue. You could tell that detail, or you could not. Either way you could still tell a great story. Explaining cyborg tech isn't an option. If you are going to explain that, you're only setting yourself up to fail. Mind you that all of this is coming out of the mouth of someone who has never written a story that spans more then a half dozen paragraphs long.

Now then as to the SWA almost quantum state of being both top secret, and totally public at the same time. I think it possible, difficult to be sure, but possible. I think a full explanation of it laborious, and time consuming. I certainly would love to go into all sorts of detail about information theory. I don't think Gunslinger Girls, and it's audience is nearly as interested though. Which is why it's not in the story.

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Post by Danjo3 on Fri 2 May 2008 - 2:39

I think a good way to sum it up would be to say:

If it ainít broke, donít fix it.

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Post by Guest on Fri 2 May 2008 - 12:02

In fictional stories, there's a basic thing called plausibility (I
am not sure of it's exact english name) : A story mustn't neccesarily
be coherent by our real world's rules, but to be coherent by itself.

Applying this to GSG, we see that the SWA could be easily discovered by any idiot. But it's a secret in their world. Conclusion: IN GSG's WORLD EASY THINGS TO DISCOVER ARE SECRET. And this is totally ok, as long as the rest of the story makes sense with it.

I differ with Wil's idea in one point: I believe that they don't explain some things, not because they put a box over it, but because in that world it makes sense by itself, and is as reasonable for them as that you are breathing right now. If they said that cyborgs work thanks to the Magic Godparent, it's totally ok (but lame)

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Re: Angelica

Post by LoC978 on Sun 4 May 2008 - 22:01

that's usually referred to as continuity.

as for not explaining some things because they're obvious... well, what's obvious to some may be confusing to others, and (by example) what's obviously a giant raccoon to some is actually a species of bear.
never a good idea to rely on the reader's common sense to fill in too much... because, well... much like friendly fire, common sense isn't.

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Re: Angelica

Post by emperor on Thu 13 Nov 2008 - 13:30

Many believe her to have died at the end of the anime, but she reappears in the end of the second episode of Gunslinger Girl: Il Teatrino

What scene Ange had reappeared? Very Happy

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Re: Angelica

Post by Kiskaloo on Thu 13 Nov 2008 - 13:56

She appears in Episodes 4, 5, 12, 13 and 14, at least.
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Post by emperor on Thu 13 Nov 2008 - 14:30

Here come edited version....

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Post by Kiskaloo on Mon 26 Jan 2009 - 17:16

@Angiegarde wrote:About the one who ran over Angelica, in the first anime, I noticed that the guy driving the car that hit Angie had the same hair color as her. This indicates to me at least that the driver was Angelica's father.

Watching the new Angelica AMV that Triela-chan posted in the Music Video thread, the car used to hit Angelica in the anime is a Bentley Arnage. An Arnage runs well over Ä100.000, so I tend to think a common street thug isn't going to be behind the wheel. Also, in the anime the car crashes into a light-pole and is immobilized.

In the manga (Chapter 11), the car is not clearly identified, but it doesn't match a Bentley's profile. It also does not crash after hitting her and the driver looks back to check on his work.

Personally, the anime effectively confirms it's her father. The manga is more nebulous, but since the ADV translation is "Her father tried to kill her" instead of "Her father tried to have her killed", it could be interpreted as him being behind the wheel.

Either way, I believe he did it himself. Getting someone to kill a little girl would not be cheap and if it was, there would always be the risk of being black-mailed later - both tending to defeat the purpose of killing her in the first place. And this is Gunslinger Girl - it's a more poignant tragedy to have her father do the deed then some paid patsy.

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Post by Kiskaloo on Tue 14 Jul 2009 - 15:40

Ok, since weíve started to learn a good bit more about the girls and their handlers in recent chapters and episodes, I thought it might not be a bad time to revise their sections in the wiki. I also took the liberty of trimming them a bit, since in many cases they were more plot summaries than character summaries. Let me know what you think, please.




Almost killed in a hit-and-run accident staged by her father to collect the life insurance he had on her, Angelica was the first girl converted to a cyborg. Originally she remembered her family, but later she was conditioned to forget them. This conditioning significantly dampened her gregarious and outgoing nature, which alienated her from her handler, Marco. As the first cyborg to undergo the conditioning process, she became the first cyborg to suffer the deleterious effects it causes, eventually leading to her death at the end of Volume Nine. The Angelica/Marco fratello exclusively use Steyr-Mannlicher weapons including the Steyr AUG A2, TMP compact submachine gun, M-1A pistol and the AUG H-BAR LMG (Marco uses the Steyr M-GB pistol).

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Post by ElfenMagix on Tue 14 Jul 2009 - 18:00

She dies in the chapter before the last one in V9. It should also state that she died from several factors- including the drug's deteriorizing effects, but most importantly, protecting Marco from the truck bomb that blew up near them. Taking that amount of damage only accellerated the end for her.

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Post by Kiskaloo on Tue 14 Jul 2009 - 18:21

The doctors said they repaired all the physical damage, but that her brain was giving out, so IMO, that means she died from the conditioning medication and not the effects of the bomb.

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Post by Professor Voodoo on Fri 19 Mar 2010 - 23:52

In the "Pasta Prince" story, can anyone confirm whether it's a silver fork or a platinum fork the Prince is seeking?

I think it's only mentioned in the anime, I can find no specifics in the manga.
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Post by Alfisti on Sat 20 Mar 2010 - 0:11

@Professor Voodoo wrote:In the "Pasta Prince" story, can anyone confirm whether it's a silver fork or a platinum fork the Prince is seeking?

I think it's only mentioned in the anime, I can find no specifics in the manga.

I think it was silver, besides platinum doesn't feel particularly "fairy story"... unless of course it's the sort of fairy story that Michele would put Kara to bed with, in which case silver would be far to plebian

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Post by Professor Voodoo on Sat 20 Mar 2010 - 0:21

@Alfisti wrote:
@Professor Voodoo wrote:In the "Pasta Prince" story, can anyone confirm whether it's a silver fork or a platinum fork the Prince is seeking?

I think it's only mentioned in the anime, I can find no specifics in the manga.

I think it was silver, besides platinum doesn't feel particularly "fairy story"... unless of course it's the sort of fairy story that Michele would put Kara to bed with, in which case silver would be far to plebian

Maybe, but remember this was written by a Japanese author for a home audience...platinum is more popular in Japan.
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Post by Alfisti on Sat 20 Mar 2010 - 0:35

@Professor Voodoo wrote:
@Alfisti wrote:
@Professor Voodoo wrote:In the "Pasta Prince" story, can anyone confirm whether it's a silver fork or a platinum fork the Prince is seeking?

I think it's only mentioned in the anime, I can find no specifics in the manga.

I think it was silver, besides platinum doesn't feel particularly "fairy story"... unless of course it's the sort of fairy story that Michele would put Kara to bed with, in which case silver would be far to plebian

Maybe, but remember this was written by a Japanese author for a home audience...platinum is more popular in Japan.

You're right, I checked the sub I've got and it was platinum.

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Post by Professor Voodoo on Sat 20 Mar 2010 - 0:38

@Alfisti wrote:
You're right, I checked the sub I've got and it was platinum.

Thanks.
I'm using it as a name for an operation, and since I'm not at home right now I couldn't check for myself.
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Post by ElfenMagix on Sat 20 Mar 2010 - 10:27

@Kiskaloo wrote:The doctors said they repaired all the physical damage, but that her brain was giving out, so IMO, that means she died from the conditioning medication and not the effects of the bomb.
My argument here is that physical damage repaired or not to her cyborg body, such a blast would have had her tiny brain bounce around her carbon fiber skull, causing various concussions and contusions on the brain itself. That within itself would cause internal injuries to the brain- conditioning medication or not, would have caused her death in the long run. The conditioning meds only speed up the process for her. The med techs only used her brain death and conditioning medication as a viable excuse to make an explanation with. As characters, this is why Fernando (my OC) cant trust them, let alone stand them...

In such a cover up, the real cause of Death for Angelica would be brain injury caused by the explosion and accelerated and made to look like by the effects of the drug.

I'll also add that Yu, not being a medical professional, only stated this to make the story more viable.

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Post by Trimutius on Wed 16 Jun 2010 - 9:10

@emperor wrote:

Angelica later died from a combination of injuries she retained from protecting Marco from a bombing and her deterioration from the conditioning.

Actually as i understood it. She died because after injuries she needed some extra conditioning which was too much and destroyed her brain. Something like that would be more correct. Injuries themself don't matter, because any part but brain could be replaced, but after injuries cyborgs need additional conditioning, which is bad for their brains...
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Post by Pinakbet on Tue 23 Nov 2010 - 23:00

Q: How old would Angelica be? Her biological age I mean if she didn't got ran over that one faithful day.
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Post by Kiskaloo on Tue 23 Nov 2010 - 23:19

I believe she was around 10 when she was injured, so probably in her mid-teens by now (15-17).

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Post by Schaschanist on Sat 8 Jan 2011 - 11:12

I just found an interessting picture:

It looks like Angelica, but this is 'Tea'from 'Bitter Sweet Fools' ('BSF')
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Post by Kiskaloo on Sat 8 Jan 2011 - 11:23

Yu was the character designer for BSF and he recycled the characters he developed for that game in both his doujins and Gunslinger Girl.

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Post by Guest on Sat 15 Jan 2011 - 12:12

Pfft. "Ran over" my butt
How does the parent get away with that?
It makes me mad because Angelica does not deserve to get run over by her parents. She's sweet, kind, and gentle. But also frightening...

I got so sad when she died in Season 1 but in Season 2, she comes back a-okay! ^^

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Post by hydra282 on Sat 15 Jan 2011 - 12:50

Didn't Marco know about what happened, if so Angelica's dad was probably arrested.
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Post by Kiskaloo on Sat 15 Jan 2011 - 12:58

Yes, Marco was told.

I am sure Angelica's father was arrested. Either the mother was also arrested as an accomplice or the SWA made a deal to reduce their jail time if they let the SWA take Angelica into their custody.

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Post by Guest on Sat 15 Jan 2011 - 13:07

idk. They didn't say expect for Ange's past thats all...

OMG?! REALLY WHEN?!

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Post by Awinnell on Sat 15 Jan 2011 - 13:31

GunSlinger_Girl_Rico wrote:
I got so sad when she died in Season 1 but in Season 2, she comes back a-okay! ^^

that only happens in the Anime,the reason being that the production company for the first series only had the rights up to a point,so it didn't matter to them if she was killed off or not,

hence her return in the second series made by a different production company, which was more closely following the manga due to the authors input.

In the manga nothing much happens to her at that point except more hospital time.

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she does die later on in the manga,but she goes out with a bang(literally)

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