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Post by Guest on Sun 3 Aug 2008 - 3:54

As of now we have a number of OCs using a variety of weapons. Some of the OCs I know about uses old weapons, dating back into pre-world war weaponry. So lets discuss more, shall we?

Here are some of the weapons that have been used:

-Mauser C/96 'Red9'
A German manufactured handgun. There are variety of versions ranging from the caliber, to the system it uses. Older versions uses the stripper clip, while the much more modern one uses the magazine system.

-Erma MP40
A German manufactured submachine gun during the second world war. It held a reputation with both Allied and German soldiers during the war. It uses 32 box magazine, and comes with a fold able butt-stock.

-Haenel MP44
German manufactured Assault Rifle and is the first Assault Rifle ever to be fielded. Held an outstanding reputation with the Germans during the war. Considered as a 'Wunderwaffe' by the Reich, its use was limited to the Stormtroopers, though some were sent to the Wehrmacht. It holds 30 7.62x33mm Kurz round.

-Grossfuss MG42
German multi-purpose machine gun, predecessor of the MG3 from the Republic of Germany. Has a devastating rate of fire. Feared by Allied soldiers, nick-named 'Hitler's Buzz-saw' due to its distinctive sound.

-Mauser K98K
A successor to the German Empire's G98 rifle of the same type used in the First World War. The K98K is shorter, yet its still awkwardly long for a carbine. It holds 5 rounds.

-M1 Garand
US manufactured gas-operated rifle. Semi-automatic and features deadly accuracy. Popular in the US Army up to the Vietnam War where modification as sniper rifles were produced. Its drawback is its unreliability to be reloaded in the middle of a clip. It holds 8 rounds.

-M1A1 Thompson
US manufactured submachine gun with high rate of fire and a good punch. Several nick names are given for the Thompson, ranging from 'Tommy gun' from the Brits, the 'Chicago Typewriter', the 'Trench Broom', and the 'Thompson'. Despite the appearance of the M3 Grease gun designed as its replacement, the Thompson still holds a reputation and is still the weapon of choice for the U.S up to Vietnam. It holds 20-30 rounds of .45 Caliber pistol round.

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Post by West Nile on Sun 3 Aug 2008 - 9:12

can u put the name of the users? just wanna know

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Post by Guest on Sun 3 Aug 2008 - 9:34

Alright, here goes:


Mauser C/96 ---> Frederick H., and an OC in a fanart which I didn't remember where I saw it

Erma MP40 ---> Frederick H.

Haenel MP44 ---> Frederick H.

Grossfuss MG42 ---> Frederick H.

Mauser K98K ---> Frederick H.

M1 Garand ---> Rachel F.

M1A1 Thompson ---> Edward B.

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Post by emperor on Sun 3 Aug 2008 - 12:01

M1 Garand ---> Rachel F.

Didn't know before she use this gun.

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Post by ElfenMagix on Sun 3 Aug 2008 - 23:09

Rachel has yet to use the M1 Garand , but its in storage for the moment in Fernando's weapons locker.

The M1911 .45ACP (and variants)- century old design for an automatic/semi-automatic handgun.
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Rachel (personal weapon)
Fernando X 2: (personal weapon- variant AA M1984) & (trash 1911 for use of UD rounds. UD Rounds tear up a gun barrel, so he uses a 1911 specifically for it and not his personal weapon which parts are harder to find for.)
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Post by Guest on Mon 4 Aug 2008 - 9:22

I'm not sure...

is there any OC who uses a Luger or a Browning HP or another old weapon?

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Post by Nachtsider on Mon 4 Aug 2008 - 9:29

Don't know about OCs, but Jean apparently uses a Browning HP.

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Post by Guest on Mon 4 Aug 2008 - 9:50

Don't know about OCs, but Jean apparently uses a Browning HP.

Now that's something we should put up! Because he is using a century old updated weapon!

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Post by boomer_gonz on Sat 16 Aug 2008 - 14:18

Alpha's initial weaponry includes refurbished old stuff.

-Obregon .45(pistol)

-Remington M24A1(rifle)

-Winchester M1897(shotgun)

-CZ75(pre-B)

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Post by Whatface on Wed 20 Aug 2008 - 23:25

If Muffin runs out of ammunition or her firearms are inaccessible, she resorts to sticks & stones from the Cavemen Wars. Does that count?

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Post by Guest on Thu 21 Aug 2008 - 2:24

I think it counts...I mean, frying pan and sticks and stones were old-fashioned weapons :p

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Post by Guest on Tue 2 Sep 2008 - 1:16

Swords and Knives? Can't forget Carol!

Ray, the adult cyborg bodyguard for Wallez, used a flamer thrower. I don't think we officially used those since Vietnam.

That's all I can come up with.

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Post by Guest on Tue 2 Sep 2008 - 1:58

What type of swords (or knives)?

And on flamethrowers, I assume its the M1942 Flamethrower?

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Post by Nachtsider on Tue 2 Sep 2008 - 2:05

I think it may be a more modern variant, Panzer.

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Post by Guest on Tue 2 Sep 2008 - 11:08

I thought flamethrowers were banned after Vietnam? I mean, they say it is an inhumane weapon and stuff...

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Post by Guest on Tue 2 Sep 2008 - 12:53

The US military stopped using them in 1978 because flamethrowers were
seen to be of questionable use. The US has not signed any treaties
that involved banning the use of flamethrowers.

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Post by Guest on Tue 2 Sep 2008 - 13:45

I thought flamethrowers were banned after Vietnam? I mean, they say it is an inhumane weapon and stuff...

...
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Panzer, we're talking about one of G.D. Wallez's goons... do you think he'd care about what is banned and what isn't? If you remember, VX wasn't necessarily banned. It was a weapon he employed that worked around that sort of thing.

And Natchsider is correct, it would be a more modern variant (I didn't think anyone would make them though considering the warfare of today). I've researched how flamers work, but I haven't studied any models.


As for Carol's cutlery, she uses a custom sword that is a concealed blade (a diamond cutter... yeesh!) within her umbrella. I've seen concealed swords in a cane, but I imagined it from an innocent umbrella.

Her knives go from anything you were holding, throwing cards, etc., to state-of-the-art throwing knives.

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Post by Nachtsider on Tue 2 Sep 2008 - 17:38

Flamethrowers are no more inhumane than stuff like incendiary rounds, fuel-air explosives and WP grenades. It's a farcical war where you worry about using 'inhumane' weapons.

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Post by LoC978 on Tue 2 Sep 2008 - 20:15

y'know what's inhumane? shooting someone in the gut with a 5.56NATO and letting 'em bleed to death over the course of the next few hours out in the desert sun. Standard operating procedure.
.50BMGs, 20&30mm's, and various larger rounds are much more humane.

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Post by Guest on Tue 2 Sep 2008 - 21:07

@LoC978 wrote:y'know what's inhumane? shooting someone in the gut with a 5.56NATO and letting 'em bleed to death over the course of the next few hours out in the desert sun. Standard operating procedure.
.50BMGs, 20&30mm's, and various larger rounds are much more humane.

"He didn't shoot to kill, he'd shoot to wound. Then wait for his buddies to come help, and he'd shoot them too!" -- quote from Shooter

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Post by LoC978 on Wed 3 Sep 2008 - 1:09

An excellent tactic against moderately well-trained troops. Just goes to show ya that there's no room for human compassion in combat.

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Post by Nachtsider on Wed 3 Sep 2008 - 1:13

Just make sure that when the buddies come along to help him, you don't merely wound them.

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Post by Guest on Wed 3 Sep 2008 - 2:31

Just make sure that when the buddies come along to help him, you don't merely wound them.

...what if that 'buddy' is a medic?

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Post by Guest on Wed 3 Sep 2008 - 2:38

Panzer IV wrote:
Just make sure that when the buddies come along to help him, you don't merely wound them.

...what if that 'buddy' is a medic?

Then you kill him first and be as sure to do so!

I think we're talking from the shooter's point of view.

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Post by Nachtsider on Wed 3 Sep 2008 - 2:42

I'd aim for medics any day. You drop a medic, and wounded enemy soldiers will go untreated. The arithmetic is simple.

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Post by Guest on Wed 3 Sep 2008 - 6:48

I thought medic's weren't supposed to be shot at...?

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Post by Nachtsider on Wed 3 Sep 2008 - 6:53

Yeah, but when it all comes down to it, the Geneva Convention is just a piece of paper. People have been offing each other's medics from the Pacific War to Vietnam.

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Post by Guest on Wed 3 Sep 2008 - 7:13

...well I know we did it too, but that's a thing of the past^^;

I mean, we call the medics, they come, and our army blow ourselves up or shoot them.

I still think its a little...inhuman. I mean, they are considered non-combatant--unless they're holding a pistol or a rifle now that's a different scenario

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Post by LoC978 on Wed 3 Sep 2008 - 10:02

Combat is inhuman. Those of us whose job it is to engage in combat are trained to become inhuman at a moment's notice. If we can't do that... we hesitate, and we die. It's like an old marine corps saying (paraphrased):
"Be courteous, be professional, and have a plan to kill everyone. Even your friends."

Like Nacht said... the Geneva Conventions (and the Hague Conventions, for that matter) are just paper. I know people who have killed human beings with antitank weapons. If the enemy had medics, and they had been present, I can guarantee the same thing would've happened.
(where do you think PTSD comes from? Feelings of guilt, usually... got a friend or 3 in treatment for it...)

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Post by Guest on Wed 3 Sep 2008 - 12:34

I still think its a little...inhuman. I mean, they are considered non-combatant--unless they're holding a pistol or a rifle now that's a different scenario

Or if you're my best friend on Battlefield II... running around with the diffibulator in close combat as the opponents wildly scream for mercy running away while trying to draw their pistol.

He would then revive 2 of his guys, continue running after the enemy as the revived players then gun him down... but the enemy is usually shocked to death first.

This first happened when a seriously ugly battle in an enclosed yard occured. Then, two medics from both sides (my friend one of them) begin rapidly reviving their teammates who shoot at each other, get wounded, and go back on the ground.

My friend was so fed up with the other medic that he just started chasing the medic around with his diffibulator and shocked him, discovered it killed him, shocked all his buddies to life, and shocked enemies coming into the enclosed area for revenge.

He got a medal for using the diffibulator as a weapon (10 kills I think at that point).



Seriously though, for civilians to believe that combat could be humane and fitting like is exceedingly gross. In the US, they seem to think that Iraq is like WWII, where we have colors, and they have colors, and civilians are anything else, and that battles are exact goals with professional military planning on both sides.

Wrong, and dead wrong. Enemies are cunning. They have random attacks and conceal their weapons and intentions. They drive medical trucks, pick-ups, SUVs, and look like civilians and even dress like women. They are poorly trained and carry no body armor, and often plan to die, and bring someone down with them. They will target civilians and military personel to weaken morale.

People just don't get it... it's Vietnam all over again. The only difference is that there isn't a draft, and our guys are a lot better at it now.




But blah. We're getting off topic.

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Post by LoC978 on Wed 3 Sep 2008 - 15:19

@Colonel Marksman wrote:People just don't get it... it's Vietnam all over again. The only difference is that there isn't a draft, and our guys are a lot better at it now.
quoted for truth.

oh yeah, and a desert isn't a jungle, so tactical specifics are different. other than that, though...

...what was this thread about again..?

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Post by Guest on Wed 3 Sep 2008 - 19:42

...what was this thread about again..?

I was weapons that predate 1980s (I would guess) that our modern cyborgs used. I stuck in flamerthrower, and it kinda moved on from there.

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Post by ElfenMagix on Sun 14 Sep 2008 - 18:26

My OC tend to fire weapons that I have used in RL.
I have fired an M1, an M16 w/grenade Launcher and the Barrett .50... my ears still ring from shotting the .50! (and that was years ago!)

Maybe by next year, I might add 1890's Swedish (Not German!) Muasers, as I may be getting one or two for target and hunting by then.

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Post by Guest on Mon 15 Sep 2008 - 0:04

You know, now that I think of it, there isn't a cyborg that use a bow/arrow.

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Post by Nachtsider on Mon 15 Sep 2008 - 1:01

There is. Sheo's Elena.

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Post by LoC978 on Mon 15 Sep 2008 - 2:35

A Mongol war bow with poisoned arrows, no less.

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Post by Guest on Mon 15 Sep 2008 - 8:35

Ah crap, forgot Elena!

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Geez, is there a GSG OC that hasn't been thought of? Apparently, even a non-combat purposed cyborg (no, not testing either, no combat-related anything) seems to also have been made. Why, even carrying "non-lethal" weaponry (Biff's Britney) is also taken!

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Post by Kiskaloo on Mon 15 Sep 2008 - 11:35

@LoC978 wrote:A Mongol war bow with poisoned arrows, no less.

Does she fire it from horseback? cheers
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Post by Guest on Mon 15 Sep 2008 - 17:31

No... but she and her brother were trained to aim at operative eyes with toxic weapons enough to kill a herd of elephants.

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Post by ElfenMagix on Mon 15 Sep 2008 - 20:03

@Colonel Marksman wrote:Ah crap, forgot Elena!

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Geez, is there a GSG OC that hasn't been thought of? Apparently, even a non-combat purposed cyborg (no, not testing either, no combat-related anything) seems to also have been made. Why, even carrying "non-lethal" weaponry (Biff's Britney) is also taken!
Least to say, there is also a tea-serving cyborg too, just for Lorenzo and his guests...

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Post by Guest on Mon 15 Sep 2008 - 20:24

Least to say, there is also a tea-serving cyborg too, just for Lorenzo and his guests...
The fric? Whos... -.- nevermind.

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Post by Kiskaloo on Mon 15 Sep 2008 - 20:30

@ElfenMagix wrote:Least to say, there is also a tea-serving cyborg too, just for Lorenzo and his guests...

What, McDowell lose her in a hand of poker? Muh-m-muhahahaha!
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Post by LoC978 on Mon 15 Sep 2008 - 20:45

@Colonel Marksman wrote:Geez, is there a GSG OC that hasn't been thought of?
One who kills (primarily. not like Petra) with a slingshot, or nunchuku and Jeet Kune Do, or bladed metal bolas, or a naginata (which I first knew of as an ashandarei)...
We could make as many cyborgs as there are weapons in the history books.
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Post by boomer_gonz on Mon 15 Sep 2008 - 22:43

I have actually named the tea-serving girl out of mere convienece for the tea-serving mystery girl.

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I actually named her Tea. You know, like Tea Leoni.

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