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Post by emperor on Sun 3 Aug 2008 - 12:10

For the mission or elsewhere,do he/she usually take the silencer with him/herself?

In canon,I saw Rico & Etta use silencer with their handguns for room service. :face:

But never see it again except when Henritta protect Jose from the bomb.

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Post by Nachtsider on Sun 3 Aug 2008 - 12:52

My OCs use silencers whenever the occasion requires it, namely when they have to take out a target silently and without being noticed.

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Post by boomer_gonz on Sun 3 Aug 2008 - 16:16

Same here, Alpha's first mission(update coming soon, I promise) requires stealth on his and Omega's part. Not so much on the unit they were "escorting".

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Post by ElfenMagix on Sun 3 Aug 2008 - 22:49

The Frnando/Rachel team as yet to use one. Not that they will but thus far there is no need. Fernando's AA M1984 can be fitted for one since it did come from the CIA, but the other weapons would have to be modified for it. So far its not in the plans.

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Post by West Nile on Mon 4 Aug 2008 - 7:27

Mine does. given that most of his missions compose of a ratio of 1 him:30 thugs: 1 target, it is really usefull to take out a thug without alarming the others

Raphael/Lance always carries a silencer for his ACP tactical

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Post by Tommygunner70 on Mon 4 Aug 2008 - 7:47

My OC Thomas (From Ledgend of the Swordsmen) doesn't use pistols much. He does have a AMT Automag MK V that is already modified with a threaded barrel (received it in an unreleased chapter) but so far, there hasn't been need to actually use the silencer.

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Post by Guest on Mon 4 Aug 2008 - 9:30

Silencers?

Frederick never uses one, that's for sure since his pistols and rifles weren't build for one--but he does modify the barrel of his StG44 in later chapters of 'The Detective's Daughter' to fit a silencer. I'd reckon a German made, or maybe the M4 suppressor.

Anna also didn't use silencers...*checks* oh wait, she did.

Gewehr, now he use silences--or supposed to. I beefed him up a little with a Desert Eagle, so no I think...

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Post by Tommygunner70 on Mon 4 Aug 2008 - 11:09

Panzer IV wrote:

Frederick never uses one, that's for sure since his pistols and rifles weren't build for one--but he does modify the barrel of his StG44 in later chapters of 'The Detective's Daughter' to fit a silencer. I'd reckon a German made, or maybe the M4 suppressor.

Didn't Frederick use a Silenced Luger once in 'Reason to live'?

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Post by Guest on Mon 4 Aug 2008 - 11:44

Not that I remember

And you still owe me an apology

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Post by Tommygunner70 on Mon 4 Aug 2008 - 11:54

Panzer IV wrote:Not that I remember

I can vaguely remember it, Guess I'd better look it up, sadly I don't have any time on my side to do so.

Panzer IV wrote:And you still owe me an apology

As stated above, I currently don't have anytime on my side, not even to formulate a response to your latest message.

You will get your reply in due time, as I have my own things to sort at this moment.

In addition, I would greatly appreciate it if you kept such matters between us. As it is very disrespectful to drag even a minor speck of private conversations out into the open like you have just done.

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Re: Whose OC use a silencer?

Post by Nachtsider on Mon 4 Aug 2008 - 12:07

I've been following this dispute very closely, ever since it started in the Ops Room thread. It's pretty clear who violated the no-confrontation rule, and pretty clear that the whole thing's gone on long enough.

Panzer, let it go. We don't want stuff like this happening here.

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Post by Tommygunner70 on Mon 4 Aug 2008 - 12:13

Nachtsider wrote:We don't want stuff like this happening here.

Which is why I am trying to settle this in private.
So lets keep it that way please.

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Post by Nachtsider on Mon 4 Aug 2008 - 12:16

My point exactly, Tommy.

First one to let this business spill over into the forum again will be banned. I'll be watching.

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Post by Guest on Mon 4 Aug 2008 - 12:17

you have just done
I should ask, who brought it into the light?

Panzer, let it go. We don't want stuff like this happening here.

Of course, my apology.

I'm still waiting for the conclusion of this; hopefully coming soon.

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Post by LoC978 on Mon 4 Aug 2008 - 12:39

both cyborg and handler in my OC fratello utilize silencers when appropriate, though Orazio only has one for his rifle. Guinevere has one for each pistol, as well as one for her SMG.

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Post by Tommygunner70 on Mon 4 Aug 2008 - 12:42

I'm currently working on getting one of my OC's to use a SP-4 pistol :p

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Post by Probit Return on Sat 4 Oct 2008 - 21:58

Nero's 1911 has a silencer. Not sure about the Glock yet. But it's really just a "Where silence is required, silence will be had" type of thing.

Since I haven't really gotten to any combat situations with Adrie, I haven't decided on whether she will get one or not, but I think it'll follow the same format as Nero.

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Post by Kiskaloo on Sat 4 Oct 2008 - 22:22

Kara used one for her first mission. She would use it where appropriate.
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Post by ElfenMagix on Sat 4 Oct 2008 - 22:43

Fernando & Rachel's NAA .32's cant be silenced. The bullets are designed to some out at supersonic speed; OK the "POW!" from the gunpowder can be muffled, but not the shockwave from the bullet itself. Their .45s ACPs can be silenced but are not.

Note: In Panzer's 'Detective Daughter' FF-story, the NAA .32's are silenced. Though its a techincal error, we are sticking by it for now.

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Post by Kiskaloo on Sat 4 Oct 2008 - 23:07

Depends on the load, but .32ACP is by nature a sub-sonic round. Kara needs to use special sub-sonic .40S&W for her P2000SK when she wants a silencer.
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Post by Guest on Thu 19 Mar 2009 - 3:24

Lol. Ironically enough, Ehud and Luke probably SHOULD use silencers, but they might break them (at least, that's why Luke doesn't have any).

The reason I never have them use silencers is because most of the missions they currently do involve big bangs anyway (e.g. room clearing in a raid is their specialty). Ehud is the type of guy to extract information on the spot rather than actually assassinate. When he does have assassination targets, they are usually very isolated in the type of situation that if you send in too many guys, the fish will get away.

Carol and Terra, obviously, don't use weapons for silencers. Carol used knives and a sword, Terra used the least-silent weapon of any cyborg -- an RPG-10!

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Post by Kiskaloo on Thu 11 Jun 2009 - 10:07

For those who watch the Discovery Channel show Time Warp, it was another "gun episode" and one of the weapons was an H&K MP5SD3 which has an integrated silencer.

If you do not have first-hand experience with what a suppressed weapon sounds like, you might want to check it out (they also play with the M82/M107 sniper rifle and even a 40mm grenade launcher). And, of course, you get to see what various rounds due to various things at thousands of frames per second.

Since the 147g FMJ 9mm round is (generally) subsonic, when fired it really did sound like the "phut" sound of a Hollywood silencer, though louder. Mind you, it still didn't really sound like a gunshot.

With a 115g JHP round, all you heard was the action of the bolt on the gun.

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Post by Awinnell on Thu 11 Jun 2009 - 10:13

if you have an Iphone or ipodtouch you can get a app for gun sounds, you can choose suppressed or unsupressed,the Remington 700 subsonic when supressed goes ' CLICK! '

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Post by Kiskaloo on Thu 11 Jun 2009 - 10:22

Watching the 9mm FMJ rounds from the MP5SD3 literally bounce off the current kevlar and WW2 "steel pot" helmets at 6m was cool.

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Post by maverick375 on Thu 11 Jun 2009 - 11:03

Kara needs to use special sub-sonic .40S&W for her P2000SK when she wants a silencer

Kisk, what kind of load is she using? Most factory 180gr loads won't go super, only gaining about 100fps from a 16" barrel. If she's using a 135gr, which is rare in factory loads, then yes, definitly needs to switch. A 155/165 can go either way and would require careful consideration.

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Post by maverick375 on Thu 11 Jun 2009 - 11:06

BTW, I have Michael use one, but as yet to have Jamie do so. I don't think anyone makes a threaded barrel for the Walther PPS yet.

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Post by Kiskaloo on Thu 11 Jun 2009 - 11:11

maverick375 wrote:
Kara needs to use special sub-sonic .40S&W for her P2000SK when she wants a silencer

Kisk, what kind of load is she using?

Engel Ballistic Research S&W40 Subsonic which is a 180gr load. I also use EBR subsonic loads in my stories for her H&K XM8 (5.56NATO), when she borrows the Walther WA2000 (.300 Winchester) or the Beretta 93R (9x19mm) and when Amadeo used the Sako TRG-42 (.338 Lapua Magnum).

Claes also has used EBR 9mm subsonic loads in her MP5K-PDW (when she attaches a suppressor).

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Post by boomer_gonz on Thu 11 Jun 2009 - 11:41

Does being a believer in the use of fists only make for qualification?

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Post by Guest on Thu 11 Jun 2009 - 12:33

boomer_gonz wrote:Does being a believer in the use of fists only make for qualification?

If this is so, then my Carol (who uses knives and swords) also fits in the category. Smile

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Post by boomer_gonz on Thu 11 Jun 2009 - 13:00

Then I nominate Crystal and her almost exclusive use of "street skills" as she can't shoot the broad side of a barn if it was six feet in front of her.

Given the chance though she'll beat you within an inch of your life and smile while doing it.

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boomer_gonz wrote:Then I nominate Crystal and her almost exclusive use of "street skills" as she can't shoot the broad side of a barn if it was six feet in front of her.

Given the chance though she'll beat you within an inch of your life and smile while doing it.

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Post by kamajii on Thu 11 Jun 2009 - 13:35

You need a silent weapon - we have it. Smile

Device "DM" noiseless grenade launcher / carbine (USSR /
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Effective range: up to 300 m with grenade, up to 200 mm with 9mm bullet
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BS-1 "Tishina" / "Kanarejka" GSN-19 silent grenade launcher (USSR / Russia)

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Caliber: 30 mm
Overall length: n/a
Weight: 2 kg unloaded (5,4 kg when installed on
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Effective range: up to 150-200 m (400 m maximum)
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Post by Guest on Thu 11 Jun 2009 - 13:51

Uh... is that a real, practical weapon?

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Post by Kiskaloo on Thu 11 Jun 2009 - 14:03

Colonel Marksman wrote:Uh... is that a real, practical weapon?

While practicality is often a hallmark of Soviet design, they do occasionally get the odd hair up their arse and come up with something totally impractical if that is what is necessary to meet the requirements. Smile

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Post by boomer_gonz on Thu 11 Jun 2009 - 14:20

Like the Tsar Bomba.

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Post by Kiskaloo on Thu 11 Jun 2009 - 14:22

boomer_gonz wrote:Like the Tsar Bomba.

That was just bragging rights. Wink

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Post by maverick375 on Thu 11 Jun 2009 - 14:56

Kisk, that vid was probably the least impressive suppressor demo I've ever seen, no offense. It sounds like someone's using a 22cal-powered spike-gun, hardly quiet. And that is report, not the sound of the round slapping the backer.

There really aren't many 180gr 40's that aren't sub-sonic. IN fact, the regular Speer Gold-Dot is only listed as having a muzzle velocity of 1025 feet/second, enough shy of SoS of 1125fps to be comfortable using it. Not really any need for an exotic-brand ammo for the 40 with a suppressor.

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Post by rusty-spring on Thu 11 Jun 2009 - 14:59

Why be silent when you leave no witnesses? Razz

I kid, I kid, naturally when the situation calls for it, you'd use a suppressor.

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Post by kamajii on Thu 11 Jun 2009 - 15:05

So, what was "MOAB"? Smile


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Post by Nachtsider on Thu 11 Jun 2009 - 15:09

MOAB is a very powerful bomb.

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Post by kamajii on Thu 11 Jun 2009 - 15:16

It's my mistake. Smile
boomer_gonz wrote:Like the Tsar Bomba.
I think that was about
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Father_of_all_bombs
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That's why I recall MOAB. Smile

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Post by Awinnell on Thu 11 Jun 2009 - 15:18

MOAB= Mother Of All Bombs or
Massive Ordnance Air Blast Bomb

basically a large daisy cutter bomb with a blast yield of about 11 tonnes of TNT

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Re: Whose OC use a silencer?

Post by kamajii on Thu 11 Jun 2009 - 15:35

Awinnell wrote:MOAB= Mother Of All Bombs or
Massive Ordnance Air Blast Bomb

basically a large daisy cutter bomb with a blast yield of about 11 tonnes of TNT
I think, I understood what is MOAB. Did you read wikipedia article, that I placed? Smile

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Post by Kiskaloo on Thu 11 Jun 2009 - 16:11

maverick375 wrote:Kisk, that vid was probably the least impressive suppressor demo I've ever seen, no offense. It sounds like someone's using a 22cal-powered spike-gun, hardly quiet. And that is report, not the sound of the round slapping the backer.

There really aren't many 180gr 40's that aren't sub-sonic. IN fact, the regular Speer Gold-Dot is only listed as having a muzzle velocity of 1025 feet/second, enough shy of SoS of 1125fps to be comfortable using it. Not really any need for an exotic-brand ammo for the 40 with a suppressor.

I never bothered to watch the video, to be honest. I just perused various weapons forums and they all seemed to favor EBL for subsonic rounds so that is why I chose them.

The round will always be as quiet as I need it to be for story purposes, so how it really sounds is irrelevant as far as I am concerned. Wink

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Re: Whose OC use a silencer?

Post by ElfenMagix on Thu 11 Jun 2009 - 17:47

When people are shooting back, why use a silencer?
Hence the reason why my OCs do not use them. Fernando/Rachel/Francesca and even Juanita will not be in situations where they need to be sneaking around and quietly killing people. If they have to sneak in, the first gaurd that sees them will not live long enough to shout out, "THEY GOT A GUN!" In fact that guard (and any others to follow) will not be able to tell what caliber they were hit with as they will lay dead on the floor.

One might ask- why advertise your presence with a loud 'BANG!'?
My answer- That silencer would be talking space away from storage where another magazine could be, and setting up a silencer takes longer than dropping and replacing magazines. Better to have more bullets than being silent in the battle field; eventually you are going to get caught.

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Post by Kiskaloo on Thu 11 Jun 2009 - 17:57

Well in my case a suppressed weapon is not standard operating procedure for Kara. She's only used them twice, once because she was in a public place and the second time because she and Claes were storming a safe-house in a neighborhood - in both cases, loud gunfire would have drawn unwanted attention and there was no provision for stealthy egress.

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Re: Whose OC use a silencer?

Post by Piero on Thu 11 Jun 2009 - 18:02

I imagine sound suppressors have a certain usefulness in the field, but it is somewhat limited. For one thing, very few suppressed pistols are actually overly silent. A suppressed .22 is pretty damn quiet, a supressed 9mm or .45... well, I believe the noise has been compared to a sharp hand clap (I think some suppressed weapons have been compared to unsilenced .22s as well)). They could perhaps be described as 'relatively silent.'

There is an interesting Finnish saying with regards to suppressed rifles though. It goes something along the lines of "A silencer does not make a sniper silent, but it does make him invisible." Apparently it makes it a lot more difficult for the enemy to tell where they're being fired at from.

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Re: Whose OC use a silencer?

Post by ElfenMagix on Thu 11 Jun 2009 - 21:54

Piero, that depends on how silent you want your gun to be. I have the book on how to build silencers, and there is a lot to learn from in there.

If you want a 9mm to be as quiet as a siienced .22, you need to consider this:
a 9mm with a 4 inch barrel will require a 7 inch in length and 4 inches in circumference silencer. This will destroy your use of the gun sights. This will also add weight to the front of the gun, a best silencers are made from iron or steel with either open air or wadding designs.

There was a hired murder of a NYC Dentist last summer. The shooter used a homemade silencer, consisting of 2 - 2 liter soda bottles packed with home insulation wadding and duct taped together to his gun (a 9mm or a .45). The murder happened in front of a lot of witnesses in a crowded school yard as he was there to pick up his daughter from his estranged wife. NO ONE- Not even kids buying ice cream 15 ft away heard the 3 shots fired. The third shot ripped off the silencer, which the cops found and was able to capture the shooter with the evidence.

The wife was also arrested- she hired her cousin to kill her estranged husband, for custody of the child. The child eventually ended up with the father's parents, after a long court battle with child services. There were no winners here.

But this is what one can do if one puts their mind to it. But putting something that large at the end of your gun so you can shoot quietly- is it really worth it?

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Re: Whose OC use a silencer?

Post by Guest on Thu 11 Jun 2009 - 23:57

Has anyone heard an SSG 69 with a silencer shoot?

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Re: Whose OC use a silencer?

Post by LoC978 on Fri 12 Jun 2009 - 1:03

well, it's not a ' 69 (looks like the '04 model), but... same series:

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